abortion your thoughts legal or not

[goin to work]

step right up and give you opinion on the subject

[Trickster]

I believe it is the to-be mother choice. I dont consider it a baby until it like takes does its first kick. The decision should be within 2 months of being pregnant. You really dont need anymore time. Abortion isnt killing, because the clump of stem cells isnt even alive. It is getting there, its like chicken eggs, if dont like abortion or are very anti you cant eat eggs its unborn chicks, cant eat cavier its fish eggs. The choice is the mothers nobody else but i think it will be harder to abort the unborn baby if it is starting to take form and moves.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I think until you have gone through what the women who have had an abortion then you really dont have any right to judge. I mean until you know what its like to no be able to take care of a child, being raped on the streets, or just not at all ready to have a child. Then its just a matter of ignorance, and not seeing that these events occur; is ignorance at its finest.

[goin to work]

i bleve that its not the best choice unless you were raped however they should not be able to say you can't have one we do live in the usa after all

[Sage]

I think until you have gone through what the women who have had an abortion then you really dont have any right to judge.

Not necessarily. I don't think you really need any experience to support their right to having a choice.

we do live in the usa after all

I never understood what that phrase is really supposed to mean. Okay, you live in the US. So what? Laws change, times change. I fail to see what you're getting at.

I'm pro-choice because I value the life of the mother over the potential of the fetus. We have too many damned babies anyway. Just look at places like China and India.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Not necessarily. I don't think you really need any experience to support their right to having a choice.



I never understood what that phrase is really supposed to mean. Okay, you live in the US. So what? Laws change, times change. I fail to see what you're getting at.

I'm pro-choice because I value the life of the mother over the potential of the fetus. We have too many damned babies anyway. Just look at places like China and India.

Judging is not neccessairly choice. Choice is opinon and views, I ment like hey these people are sinners and bad people because they get abortions.

[Koman]

Yea i think it should be legal because it is 100% the mothers choice.

[inlove]

legal.... for toooooo many reasons to put..

[Oblivion]

It should be legal because a) the fetus isn't the governments property, nor is the woman's body, and b) the fetus isn't even technically alive. You can't kill what's not alive.

[INFERNO]

I feel it should be legal as the fetus is not alive thus murder cannot apply to something deemed not alive. Also, I believe that if the woman and/or man do not wish to have the future child(ren) for whatever reason, then they should have the choice to go with their wishes and not have it. Making them have it would be along the lines of a punishment and the child(ren) are more likely to not have a very caring family (pure guess).

It is part of the mother physically, so if she wants to remove a part she does not want, then why stop her?

Ideally, the parents should agree but in the end, it is the mother's decision. I consider abortion to be legal and I support it.

[lamboman43]

I think it should be legal because if the mother doesn't want it, chances are she might not treat it very kindly or she just might not be able to support it's life. We dont need dying babies.

[Dreaming Cannibal]

Well, it should be legal, every woman should have the right to give or not life to a baby, but then again, it is murder after the 2 month.
i think for woman on the really early stage like 2 week of the 2 month it should be legal, after that nah. it's murder man.

[Jean Poutine]

Abortion =/= contraception.

On the grounds that you fucked up, didn't wear a condom and was/probably still is a moron, I would disallow abortions. It's not that I'm necessarily pro-life, I just believe in discipline and I also believe that you should assume yourself when you screw up.

Give it to adoption or whatever after it's born I don't give a flying flip. Perhaps once you've torn your innards up getting the baby to terms then you'll think about wearing that rubber eh?

In cases of rape or where the pregnancy would harm/kill the mother, I say you can kill it.

I owe a punch to the face to every girl out there who took abortion as a way to escape her stupidity and the consequences that come with it. That's how I feel about it.

[just-another-guy]

i would have to say that it would depend on the situation i mean if you were raped then yah i can see it a reasonable solution

[Iron Man]

but then even if your raped then your still ending an innocent life. I think that abortion should be illegal.

[lamboman43]

So you think that even though the girl never wanted a child but got raped and pregnant, they should have to deal with it? Thats just not right. It's like forcing you to have a baby against your will.

[Iron Man]

well, thats wat adoption is for. in my opinion, being raped and having a child is like a couple having sex and having a child on accident.

[Sage]

being raped and having a child is like a couple having sex and having a child on accident.

Sorry, but you have no right to make that comparison. Have you been raped? Do you know anyone personally who has been raped? It is not like consentually having sex.

Being pregnant for nine months and then giving the child away to adoption is just a long, painful reminder to the woman involved that she got raped.

[lamboman43]

Sorry, but you have no right to make that comparison. Have you been raped? Do you know anyone personally who has been raped? It is not like consentually having sex.

Being pregnant for nine months and then giving the child away to adoption is just a long, painful reminder to the woman involved that she got raped.

I couldn't agree more Des. She shouldn't have to go through even more pain.

[punkjake]

Not cool dude not at all(illegal)!If they don't want it just give to a foster home like on Juno XD lol but yeah dude i think its bad what if you were killed becuz your parents said they could have another?

[Oblivion]

Then I would never have been alive, and I would have never felt anything. It's not being killed, it's being prevented from being alive, which is the same as if they decided not to have sex that night.

[Jalin]

I think ALL abortion should be banned, except if a woman is raped.
If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex. It's that simple.
Too many sluts getting knocked up because they can't abstain from sex, or were too stupid to use protection.

Again, I think abortion should be banned.

[Oblivion]

I think ALL abortion should be banned, except if a woman is raped.
If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex. It's that simple.
Too many sluts getting knocked up because they can't abstain from sex, or were too stupid to use protection.

Again, I think abortion should be banned.

What about if they do have sex... Then the baby who has no fault in it has a horrible life? Or both the parents have to quit school/work to care for it?

[INFERNO]

but then even if your raped then your still ending an innocent life. I think that abortion should be illegal.

You would be ending a life, however, having the mother keep the pregnancy and possibly raise the child is a continuing punishment for the mother and eventually towards the child. The mother would have to deal with having part of the rapist inside her for months, then her child would be the unwanted child, the child that 50% of is from the rapist. The mother and child would live a more cruel life just on this alone, nevermind what the mother's financial circumstances are. Let's also consider that suppose a married couple were out and the wife got raped. Now both the father and mother have to be part of this punishment and the father contributed 0% to the child's genetics.

Aborting or not aborting should be heavily based on whether or not the parent(s) and other factors will allow the child to grow up with fit parents, fit environment, etc... . If they won't, then the child if kept, would face punishment over something they had no control over.

Essentially, either you do a quick killing or you do a life-long torment. I support the quick kill.

[Spin]

I don't care what their situation is( gettting raped, not able to financially support a baby, health problems, or just don't want to have a baby), the woman still has a right to get an abortion. It is HER body, making it HER choice. I hate how people say "Oh well there's always adoption"... yeah, lets just put another child up for adoption even though there's already MILLIONS of other unwanted children rotting away in a foster home. I also hate when people say "Oh I'm all for abortion when the woman is raped/health problems". Do people realize how contradicting that is? It's either you're pro-choice or pro-life, there's no in between.

[Spin]

I think ALL abortion should be banned, except if a woman is raped.
If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex. It's that simple.
Too many sluts getting knocked up because they can't abstain from sex, or were too stupid to use protection.

Again, I think abortion should be banned.


Yes! A woman MUST be a slut because she gets accidently pregnant! Nevermind the fact that condoms and birth control are not 100% effective. No! It's all the woman's fault!

/sarcasm

[Reality]

I personally am really against abortion except in the cases where the mothers life is at risk. In that case the mother > baby.

I don't think it's right to prevent an already developing life. I think it's more horrible when the woman decides to abort the life late. There's been late, fucked-up abortions where the baby was aborted half-alive in the past. I think if a baby is to be aborted, it should be done as early as possible - before the major organs and such begin to develope.

I also don't think rape is a reason for an abortion. I know the woman is traumatized heavily, but the baby is still half hers and it's not the child's fault.

As for sex in general, even when contraception fails, I also don't agree it's a good enough reason to have an abortion. When a man and a woman consent to sex, they should realize the risks involved in sex, which includes pregnancy and STD's.

If a woman cannot bring up her child or bother using contraception properly, she shouldn't risk having sex. There's always adoption, and while it may not be the best thing in the world and there's problems with homing and when the adopted child grows up; it does actually work lots of times too. One of my mates was adopted and he's great.

My point being - it still deserves a chance at life.

I may not be able to relate to the pain a woman goes through in pregnancy/birth, but abortion in my eyes and 9/10 cases is just a woman running away from a problem, rather than facing it. Abortions aren't easy/cheap, and can leave trauma as well.

[lamboman43]

I also don't think rape is a reason for an abortion. I know the woman is traumatized heavily, but the baby is still half hers and it's not the child's fault.

So if you are raped you should be forced to raise a child you don't want? We know it's not the child's fault but should the women really have to raise it when she didn't even want it? It's not the mothers fault either. She cant get the rapist to stop so he can put on a condom. It the mother flippin' rapists fault she is pregnant. No one else's. Again i state that that is just SO wrong.

[Jean Poutine]

What about if they do have sex... Then the baby who has no fault in it has a horrible life? Or both the parents have to quit school/work to care for it?
Adoption.

[Prince_of_Peace]

Anything that takes away life is plain wrong. The devil worshippers use the killing of life whenever they do their sacrifice. Do you know that "The Church of Satan" is a legitimate and recognize church organization is USA? It was founded in April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Now back to abortion. "Pro-choice" is a very misleading organization because there is no "choice" in killing lives. If you believe in killing lives, then you contribute to the satanic rituals.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED for Lucifer is the father of all lies!

[lamboman43]

Anything that takes away life is plain wrong. The devil worshippers use the killing of life whenever they do their sacrifice. Do you know that "The Church of Satan" is a legitimate and recognize church organization is USA? It was founded in April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Now back to abortion. "Pro-choice" is a very misleading organization because there is no "choice" in killing lives. If you believe in killing lives, then you contribute to the satanic rituals.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED for Lucifer is the father of all lies!

I know i am a noob, but who the hell is lucifer? And what if the mothers aren't religious? They wont care.

[Reality]

So if you are raped you should be forced to raise a child you don't want? We know it's not the child's fault but should the women really have to raise it when she didn't even want it? It's not the mothers fault either. She cant get the rapist to stop so he can put on a condom. It the mother flippin' rapists fault she is pregnant. No one else's. Again i state that that is just SO wrong.
There's adoption, as been mentioned a million times.

Abortion isn't the answer to the problem. Most women who have abortions eventually feel guilty anyway, regardless of whether she was raped or not.

Whether or not she has an abortion, it won't change the fact she was raped. It doesn't really make a difference, in a lot of ways, actually.

[lamboman43]

There's adoption, as been mentioned a million times.

Abortion isn't the answer to the problem. Most women who have abortions eventually feel guilty anyway, regardless of whether she was raped or not.

Whether or not she has an abortion, it won't change the fact she was raped. It doesn't really make a difference, in a lot of ways, actually.


But with adoption you have to go throught the pain of giving birth to a child that shouldn't be yours. Abortion is quick and the baby doesn't have to deal with the pain of know it's biological mom was raped and his biological dad is a freak criminal. Thus making the kids life less painful. Adoption is really hard on kids. And to know your real dad isn't even your dad but a freak rapist is just life breaking.

[Reality]

But with adoption you have to go throught the pain of giving birth to a child that shouldn't be yours. Abortion is quick and the baby doesn't have to deal with the pain of know it's biological mom was raped and his biological dad is a freak criminal. Thus making the kids life less painful. Adoption is really hard on kids. And to know your real dad isn't even your dad but a freak rapist is just life breaking.
Abortion isn't always so "quick" and easy. It can actually be bloody, especially in the later phases of pregnancy - and the fetus has been proven to be able to feel it.

Abortion is not just some "easy" solution to the problem. There is an abortion pill, but it's not just a magic pill that makes the fetus disappear - it gets washed out of the system, in a way a miscarried fetus does making it look like a bloody mess in the toilet, and other abortion methods do have a certain amount of pain in the operation.

And, Lambo, just because the child would not have a fairytale mommy and daddy doesn't mean it shouldn't have a chance at life. Sure, knowing your mom didn't want you because your dad was really a rapist is a lot to take in, but it's just one of these things the child will learn to accept and understand when s/he gets older.

I think if a woman is raped, she should take the morning after pill. That's not aborting it, but it's preventing the fertilisation of the egg in the first place. But if she fails to do that, then she may as well have the baby.

[INFERNO]

Anything that takes away life is plain wrong. The devil worshippers use the killing of life whenever they do their sacrifice. Do you know that "The Church of Satan" is a legitimate and recognize church organization is USA? It was founded in April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Now back to abortion. "Pro-choice" is a very misleading organization because there is no "choice" in killing lives. If you believe in killing lives, then you contribute to the satanic rituals.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED for Lucifer is the father of all lies!

As a former satanist, you seem to not know a clue about what satanism is, whether it's LaVeyan or Theistic Satanism. Yes the Church of Satan is a recognized belief and church, what is your point? LaVeyan Satanism is not about killing, especially children. So before you go on about this, actually learn a bit about it before you make such sweeping statements.
To show how you do not understand it, "devil worshippers" tend to follow Theistic Satanism, not LaVeyan Satanism.

Simply because in your belief, killing is wrong and Satan stands for everything that is wrong, that does not mean that Satanism is all about that.

lamboman43, Lucifer and Satan sometimes are used interchangably, however, Lucifer is the name of the angel in Heaven that god kicked out. In hell, he got dubbed Satan. Some beliefs consider there to be no difference, whereas others, such as Luciferianism (different from Satanism I believe) do make a distinction between the two. The word Lucifer is a latin word for Morning Star (or Day Star) that was referred to in the bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

[lamboman43]

Abortion isn't always so "quick" and easy. It can actually be bloody, especially in the later phases of pregnancy - and the fetus has been proven to be able to feel it.

Abortion is not just some "easy" solution to the problem. There is an abortion pill, but it's not just a magic pill that makes the fetus disappear - it gets washed out of the system, in a way a miscarried fetus does making it look like a bloody mess in the toilet, and other abortion methods do have a certain amount of pain in the operation.

And, Lambo, just because the child would not have a fairytale mommy and daddy doesn't mean it shouldn't have a chance at life. Sure, knowing your mom didn't want you because your dad was really a rapist is a lot to take in, but it's just one of these things the child will learn to accept and understand when s/he gets older.

I think if a woman is raped, she should take the morning after pill. That's not aborting it, but it's preventing the fertilisation of the egg in the first place. But if she fails to do that, then she may as well have the baby.



Of course abortion will have pain. But not as much pain as the pain of having the morning sickness, contractions, and all the crap that goes along with the 9 months of having a baby in you.

And the kid will not get over the adoption. They will have nightmares, depression, etc. They will not get over an adoption like that. It will follow them around FOREVER!

Oh and thanks for the definition INFERNO!

[Camazotz]

Anything that takes away life is plain wrong.

If you've ever scratched your skin because you were itchy, you killed life. Therefore, being itchy must be wrong and scratching yourself is also wrong. Everyone I know has scratched themselves at least once, so we're all murderers. Right?

Do you know that "The Church of Satan" is a legitimate and recognize church organization is USA? It was founded in April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Now back to abortion. "Pro-choice" is a very misleading organization because there is no "choice" in killing lives. If you believe in killing lives, then you contribute to the satanic rituals.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED for Lucifer is the father of all lies!

It seems obvious you have no idea what Satanists are all about. You should research a topic before stating about it.

But with adoption you have to go throught the pain of giving birth to a child that shouldn't be yours. Abortion is quick and the baby doesn't have to deal with the pain of know it's biological mom was raped and his biological dad is a freak criminal. Thus making the kids life less painful. Adoption is really hard on kids. And to know your real dad isn't even your dad but a freak rapist is just life breaking.

All the evidence I've used to support abortions. Good job and I completely agree.

Abortion isn't always so "quick" and easy. It can actually be bloody, especially in the later phases of pregnancy - and the fetus has been proven to be able to feel it.

Abortion is not just some "easy" solution to the problem. There is an abortion pill, but it's not just a magic pill that makes the fetus disappear - it gets washed out of the system, in a way a miscarried fetus does making it look like a bloody mess in the toilet, and other abortion methods do have a certain amount of pain in the operation.

And, Lambo, just because the child would not have a fairytale mommy and daddy doesn't mean it shouldn't have a chance at life. Sure, knowing your mom didn't want you because your dad was really a rapist is a lot to take in, but it's just one of these things the child will learn to accept and understand when s/he gets older.

I think if a woman is raped, she should take the morning after pill. That's not aborting it, but it's preventing the fertilisation of the egg in the first place. But if she fails to do that, then she may as well have the baby.

Not bad logic, actually. I understand the points you are making, but I still disagree. However, I could argue that abortions are "preventing" birth and the creation of a multi-celled organism.

Of course abortion will have pain. But not as much pain as the pain of having the morning sickness, contractions, and all the crap that goes along with the 9 months of having a baby in you.

And the kid will not get over the adoption. They will have nightmares, depression, etc. They will not get over an adoption like that. It will follow them around FOREVER!

Oh and thanks for the definition INFERNO!

Abortions should be used in certain cases such as rape or unwanted pregnancies. If the woman does not want to have to go through pregnancy, she shouldn't be forced to. While I've used the adoption argument the past, it's less common that an adopted child will have a huge problem with being adopted. In fact, personal experience has shown me that adopted children will still love their adopted parents and consider them their "real" parents.

[INFERNO]

And the kid will not get over the adoption. They will have nightmares, depression, etc. They will not get over an adoption like that. It will follow them around FOREVER!

Research shows that this is not always true. Consider the study done by Hodges and Tizard (1989), where their research indicated the adopted children showed higher attachment, affection, parents more able to show affection, generally an increased closeness, and about equal on peer relationships and turning to others for help. All of this was in comparison to children quickly returned to their biological parents. Overall, the adopted children formed better attachments than children returned to biological parents. Clearly, it is not necessarily as bad as you make it seem. CLICKIE HERE to get the study (http://www.colchsfc.ac.uk/psychology/Social%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20of%20Ex.htm)

As for how the adoptees feel, I suppose many would be thankful for their life and many would be depressed. However, as the article above indicates, they have better relationships with their adoptee parents and better at asking for help and the parents are more efficent at noticing when to help.

[lamboman43]

Research shows that this is not always true. Consider the study done by Hodges and Tizard (1989), where their research indicated the adopted children showed higher attachment, affection, parents more able to show affection, generally an increased closeness, and about equal on peer relationships and turning to others for help. All of this was in comparison to children quickly returned to their biological parents. Overall, the adopted children formed better attachments than children returned to biological parents. Clearly, it is not necessarily as bad as you make it seem. CLICKIE HERE to get the study (http://www.colchsfc.ac.uk/psychology/Social%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20of%20Ex.htm)

As for how the adoptees feel, I suppose many would be thankful for their life and many would be depressed. However, as the article above indicates, they have better relationships with their adoptee parents and better at asking for help and the parents are more efficent at noticing when to help.

Well I dont just mean adoption in general. I mean being adopted out because your mom was raped and she didn't want you.

[INFERNO]

Well I dont just mean adoption in general. I mean being adopted out because your mom was raped and she didn't want you.

The study was a longitudinal one from ages 8-16. For younger ones, they are not included but I suspect they wouldn't be drastically different.

[Reality]

And the kid will not get over the adoption. They will have nightmares, depression, etc. They will not get over an adoption like that. It will follow them around FOREVER!
As bad as having a rapist father and a mother that didn't want nor love you is, it's not as bad as you're making and it actually depends on the individual.

Not every adopted child with a rapist parent will have nightmares and develope depression. This is a really void argument, to be honest.

And if we were to use your logic, we should kill children who suffered child abuse and harsh bullying, because they're prone to develope depression and have nightmares, huh? No, I didn't think so.

I don't necessarily believe abortions should be illegal, and it really is up to the woman at the end of the day. But I guess I just don't agree with it.

[CaptainObvious]

As bad as having a rapist father and a mother that didn't want nor love you is, it's not as bad as you're making and it actually depends on the individual.

That's retarded. Knowing that you were an unwanted (still unwanted, moreover) rape child would be an incredibly devastating thing for someone to find out.

Anyways, I wanted to know something: what the fuck is up with all of you and acting like pregnancy is some kind of punishment to be served out by women who commit the horrible sin (/sarcasm) of having sex? Pregnancy is not a fucking punishment,and to disallow abortion because pregnant women knew the risks is fucking stupid. Maybe some of those of you who have advanced that argument have (or had) a family member struck by preventable cancer (lung cancer secondary to smoking, breast cancer secondary to diet, etc.); maybe a family member has type 2 diabetes. Do you all advocate denying treatment to these people because they knew the risks? Is heart medication immoral because most heart disease is caused by overeating?

Obviously not, because that argument is stupid. And it's equally stupid when applied to abortion. So, let's establish this once and for all: it does not matter one single little bit to whether or not abortion should be allowed that women know the risks of pregnancy. There is literally no direct moral bearing on the question at all, it's just a circular restatement of other abortion morality views; if abortion were completely moral, the fact that it's a foreseeable risk wouldn't bother anybdy.

If we want to argue about whether or not abortion should be covered under insurance, for example, the fact that women know the risks would matter. But in this discussion, it doesn't.

[Reality]

That's retarded. Knowing that you were an unwanted (still unwanted, moreover) rape child would be an incredibly devastating thing for someone to find out.

Firstly; don't call my opinion "retarded" just because you disagree with it. I'm not bashing your opinion am I?

Secondly; I never said it wasn't devastating. But like all facts in life - it can be accepted, and it still depends on the individual at the end of the day. There are plenty of rape-conceived children that have been adopted, and even kept.

Why not kill child abuse victims, because using this void logic, child abuse victims are unwanted children and are treated like shit (rape-conceived children on the other hand are being brought up the same way as everyone else is). I don't think you'd agree with that. But that's what this logic is practically suggesting.

[CaptainObvious]

Firstly; don't call my opinion "retarded" just because you disagree with it. I'm not bashing your opinion am I?

No, but my opinion isn't retarded. My apologies for the bluntness, but what I quoted and referred to there was an absolutely amazingly stupid statement. Sorry.

Secondly; I never said it wasn't devastating. But like all facts in life - it can be accepted, and it still depends on the individual at the end of the day. There are plenty of rape-conceived children that have been adopted, and even kept.

Go re-read the quote that you made. He said it was devastating and would permanently effect someone, you said it wasn't as bad as he said. If you meant something else, maybe you should revise your earlier statement...

Why not kill child abuse victims, because using this void logic, child abuse victims are unwanted children and are treated like shit (rape-conceived children on the other hand are being brought up the same way as everyone else is). I don't think you'd agree with that. But that's what this logic is practically suggesting.

I'm not making any arguments about anything else, so don't attribute them to me. I'm just taking issue with your ridiculous statement on its own.

[Bougainvillea]

I think under certain conditions. Like... if you are a 15 year old who was raped, or if you are completely incapable of taking care of a child. But to me, it should be a last resort.

[kat123]

well it depends on wat really happened i could understand about u no being raped nd if abortion was being made illegal women would get it done without the right care nd could get serious health problems but im not realy a fan of it.....

[Reality]

No, but my opinion isn't retarded. My apologies for the bluntness, but what I quoted and referred to there was an absolutely amazingly stupid statement. Sorry.
And your opinion isn't stupid?
Yours isn't amazingly stupid. What you said is amazingly fucked up, with the way you're being so tight over a statement I made. Sorry.

Go re-read the quote that you made. He said it was devastating and would permanently effect someone, you said it wasn't as bad as he said. If you meant something else, maybe you should revise your earlier statement...
I never said it wouldn't be devestating or not permanently effect someone, Jesus, learn to actually interpret what I was saying.

I said it depends on the individual, and it isn't as bad as he's making out. To some it is, but not all. There's as bad, or even worse facts in life, and children have grown up accepting them.

He was being rather melodramatic.

I'm not making any arguments about anything else, so don't attribute them to me. I'm just taking issue with your ridiculous statement on its own.
The whole thread is a debate on abortion, if you're just doing this to nitpick a statement I made that you disagree with, then I can compare the situation to whatever I like. (In this case, child abuse)