US abortion doctor shot dead at church

[TigerLily]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090531/twl-us-abortion-doctor-shot-dead-at-chur-41f21e0.html

City officials in the US say a doctor who provided controversial "late term" abortions has been shot dead as he attended a church service.

George Tiller, 67, was gunned down as he walked into his local Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas, according to local media reports.

Police are now searching for a white man said to have fled the scene by car after shooting Tiller with a handgun.

Police have not named the victim of the attack but describe the case as high-profile and confirmed he had been the target of violence in the past.

Mr Tiller has long been a target of America's anti-abortion lobby. His clinic in Wichita has been the site of several mass protests and was bombed in 1985. Tiller was shot and wounded by an abortion opponent in 1993.

In the US, abortions are generally considered late-term when they are performed after the 20th week of gestation, on foetuses potentially old enough to survive outside the womb.

American anti-abortion campaign group Operation Rescue said it was shocked by the news.

A statement on the organisation's website said: "We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning.

"We pray for Mr Tiller's family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ."

[ShatteredWings]

Wow.
No matter your opionon on abortion, WTF?
Kill a guy to be pro-life
that make sence..

[ThUnDeR]

that sucks that he died while going too church
but thats messed up how he did abortions

[Antares]

This is completely and utterly ridiculous.
People need to calm the f*** down.
Seriously. If you don't like something, either get a law past prohibiting it, or move somewhere else, or deal with it.

Obviously if he was doing abortions, the people wanted it. It is not like he was killing babies just for fun. Oops, not babies, fetuses. So if you are mad, then kill the people that are seeking the abortions, not the doctor giving them. What sense does that make? Anyways, this is sad. I should move to Canada. :)

[Sapphire]

I love how the yahoo article names the victim as George Tiller but then says that the police haven't named the victim yet. Lol. Fantastic journalism.

Either way, I swear this is what you get when you let anybody and everybody own a gun...People dying for doing their perfectly legal jobs.

[Requin]

Hmmmmm, I could say a smart ass comment about guns in america...but they've all been said so there's little point. People will always insist on having them though, even if they read things like this.

And yes I found that funny too, top class journalism there.

[TigerLily]

I love how the yahoo article names the victim as George Tiller but then says that the police haven't named the victim yet. Lol. Fantastic journalism..

Lol, I never noticed that :P
That's pretty funny :P

[MoveAlong]

.....just wondering...isn't murdering someone against the bible, too?

[Jalin]

.....just wondering...isn't murdering someone against the bible, too?

Ooh! I think it does.. but it's still sad how someone can do that to a little fetus.

Anyways.

I'm kinda glad, but kinda not.

One: He took so many lives by doing his job.
Two: One less abortion to happen
Three: He was in church..

I dont know.. just doesn't make sense to me

[The Batman]

WTF dude no one deserves to die no matter what they have done. Sad thing is this isn't the first time this has happened.

[Delusion15]

Dude that is one of the most fucked up things i have heard in a long while.who gives a flying F*** if he is just doing his job. dude i bet the minute the murderer gets arrested he will be supported by a whole bunch of people and he will get something less than he deserves the bastard.

[The Joker]

If your sister was raped and got pregnant, would you want her to have the child?

Sometimes abortion is neccesary. The person who did this is evil.

[Reality]

Meh. Being someone that's against abortion, I definitely don't think he deserved to die for it. Violence is never the way to make your point. NEVER.

I love how the yahoo article names the victim as George Tiller but then says that the police haven't named the victim yet. Lol. Fantastic journalism.
LOL. I didn't notice that until you said it.

If your sister was raped and got pregnant, would you want her to have the child?

Not to take this off topic, but to answer your rhetorical question - yes I would want my sister to have the baby.

Why? (In my opinion)

1. I don't support abortion.
2. The child may have a sick, rapist father - but at the end of the day, the child is half my sister's.
3. It's not the child's fault, why kill it just because it wasn't planned? It may be traumatic for the mother, but she still must acknowledge that.
4. Who says she has to even raise the child herself? Ever heard of adoption and fostering?

Sometimes abortion is neccesary. The person who did this is evil.
Opinions on it all differ.

To me at least, abortion is only neccesary if the mothers life is at risk if she gives birth to the baby. And before someone points me out as some Christian/ultra conservative. I'm not. I'm only conservative on the abortion debate.

I agree, though, still. The abortion doctor shouldn't have been killed for this. It was hypocritical.

[Oblivion]

I'm buying this guy a T-shirt.
"I kill because I'm pro-life"

Sometimes the human mind amazes me. Crazy people in particular :P

The irony is sickening really.

[The Batman]

Lets remember this isn't a debate about abortion it's a discussion on the article.

[ThUnDeR]

If your sister was raped and got pregnant, would you want her to have the child?

Sometimes abortion is neccesary. The person who did this is evil.

why cant you just give the baby up for adoption instead of killing it???

[MisterAndrews]

I agree with Mr. Baker here... there is no need to kill the innocent when they could bring happiness to people who maybe cant have children of their own.

Happiness out of a bad situation!

However there is the problem of mothers rights as you cant make her carry a baby and give birth to it if it reminds her of the bad experience for 9 months... you never know, it might mess both of them up!

But yea, id like to think that people could go through with it

[Sapphire]

why cant you just give the baby up for adoption instead of killing it???
Why should a rape victim have to carry a baby to term? No one should be forced to do that. It's like a second violation of her body.

[INFERNO]

why cant you just give the baby up for adoption instead of killing it???

Because for approx. nine months, the mother has to live with the rapist growing in side of her and then, live with seeing something that is genetically 50% the rapist. It's like a constant punishment.

As for the article, I suppose the logic was "kill one, save a thousand" sort of idea. However, him killing the abortionist is not going to stop women from getting abortions. All that it does is contradict the name "pro-life" and make those who are "pro-life" likely to be thought of as complete psychos ready to gun you down (usually is false). So, aside from having done that, he'll also have the pleasure of being imprisoned. The by-product of this is that it is a good example of why guns should have more restriction, which probably was not the desired outcome.

[lamboman43]

Does anyone listen to Euphoria?

[Antares]

.....just wondering...isn't murdering someone against the bible, too?

I think its like the first commandment...

Thou shalt not kill.

In all commanding words and such.

Well he is a sinner. He should be the one going to hell

And guns are necessary in america now. because people are always going to be shooting eachother. and even if they are banned, people will still access them. like drugs.
well...i take that back...necessary isnt the word...guns are...not to be banned

but americans like to shoot eachother.
its quite sad.

[Sapphire]

Taking guns away will reduce the number of murders that are done in the heat of the moment. That's something at least.

[Untouched]

A lot of Christians are a bunch of hypocrites. Notice how I say a lot. Not all, but a lot. It's like, "Oh, don't kill unborn children! They deserve a life too!" Then they go and shoot a man who performs abortions? Yes, partial birth abortions are horribly wrong (I'm pro-choice, though, btw), but the man did not deserve to be shot!

[theOperaGhost]

I can't support Dr. Tiller, especially how his abortions were performed and the fact that he did late term abortions, which just sickens me, however, murder is stupid.

However, now I have to say that I think late term abortions are the most pointless fucking things ever. The fetus is injected with something to stop its heart, then the mother is induced into labor and has the stillborn baby...which could take a few days...the mother doesn't get out of the pain of child birth, which seems to be a big reason women have abortion, so...why even do a late term abortion...put the kid up for adoption...it's much better for everyone in my opinion (unless the women got pregnant from a rape...).

[Untouched]

I can't support Dr. Tiller, especially how his abortions were performed and the fact that he did late term abortions, which just sickens me, however, murder is stupid.

However, now I have to say that I think late term abortions are the most pointless fucking things ever. The fetus is injected with something to stop its heart, then the mother is induced into labor and has the stillborn baby...which could take a few days...the mother doesn't get out of the pain of child birth, which seems to be a big reason women have abortion, so...why even do a late term abortion...put the kid up for adoption...it's much better for everyone in my opinion (unless the women got pregnant from a rape...).

Exactly, which is why I think late term abortions should be completely illegal. Like, not even an option for women. You either abort the baby within a month of your pregnancy, or you deal with the birth. Even if it is rape, if you're able to wait that long into the pregnancy without going insane, waiting a little longer won't hurt. Just put the damn child up for adoption.

The man still did not deserve to be shot. Again I say, a lot of Christians are terrible hypocrites.

[Sapphire]

Exactly, which is why I think late term abortions should be completely illegal. Like, not even an option for women. You either abort the baby within a month of your pregnancy, or you deal with the birth. Even if it is rape, if you're able to wait that long into the pregnancy without going insane, waiting a little longer won't hurt. Just put the damn child up for adoption.
A month is an insanely short period of time and a lot of women only find out after they have missed a period. The limit in the UK (and most of Europe I am led to believe) is 24 weeks which is the point at which the fetus is viable (with life support machines etc) outside of the womb.

[Antares]

I can't support Dr. Tiller, especially how his abortions were performed and the fact that he did late term abortions, which just sickens me, however, murder is stupid.

However, now I have to say that I think late term abortions are the most pointless fucking things ever. The fetus is injected with something to stop its heart, then the mother is induced into labor and has the stillborn baby...which could take a few days...the mother doesn't get out of the pain of child birth, which seems to be a big reason women have abortion, so...why even do a late term abortion...put the kid up for adoption...it's much better for everyone in my opinion (unless the women got pregnant from a rape...).

Well I disagree.
Oh, what now :P
lmao

anyways umm I don't think they are stupid. I mean...I am sure there are reasons othre than rape for aborting a baby. I think that Tiller is not to blame at all. The way I think about it is, sure there is the option but it is up to the person. If the person wants it, then it is not my place to stop them. I am just providing a service. Anyways umm, adoption IMO isn't *always* the best thing. The American adoption system isn't at its best. And it seems like people always go adopt kids from other countries and not where they frickin live. wtf?

[Reality]

^ Somebody should tell Madonna that African children aren't Pokemon. She simply can't catch 'em all.

However, now I have to say that I think late term abortions are the most pointless fucking things ever. The fetus is injected with something to stop its heart, then the mother is induced into labor and has the stillborn baby...which could take a few days...the mother doesn't get out of the pain of child birth, which seems to be a big reason women have abortion, so...why even do a late term abortion...put the kid up for adoption...it's much better for everyone in my opinion (unless the women got pregnant from a rape...).
101% agreed.

If abortions are to be done, they should be done as early as possible.

[Antares]

Lets remember this isn't a debate about abortion it's a discussion on the article.

I am supposed to remind everyone of ^^^