North & South Korea (Maybe Japan Too)

[Oblivion]

If North Korea launches a missile at Seoul, South Korea, or Japan, should/will we go to war? (Your opinion/what you think will happen)


For me, I'm pretty conflicted.
South Korea and Japan are both allies, so we should help them, but at the same time our economy sucks, and we are in another war... Should we risk going to war with North Korea, probably China, and maybe even Russia?
It could easily explode into a WWIII which wouldn't be fun, and would be very draining.

I honestly don't know how it will turn out.

Remember: South Korea and Japan are our allies. We aren't just meddling in others business this time, because we should protect our allies, or they won't be our allies anymore.

[lamboman43]

If North Korea launches a missile at Seoul, South Korea, or Japan, should/will we go to war? (Your opinion/what you think will happen)


For me, I'm pretty conflicted.
South Korea and Japan are both allies, so we should help them, but at the same time our economy sucks, and we are in another war... Should we risk going to war with North Korea, probably China, and maybe even Russia?
It could easily explode into a WWIII which wouldn't be fun, and would be very draining.

I honestly don't know how it will turn out.


I think if N. Korea launches a nuke we are all screwed. If we attack them China will be pissed making Russia pissed. If we dont Japan will hate us or S. Korea will hate us. It's a lose lose situation. We cant do anything without a huge risk of war.

[Oblivion]

Exactly my thoughts.
If they launch a nuke we'll be socially, economically, and militarily screwed.

[lamboman43]

Lets just hope that they will come to their senses and stop. But with a dork like Kim Jeaung Il (or how ever the hell you spell his name) for a leader your country is messed up.

[Koman]

Noone will launch their nukes. It is mutually assured destruction (meaning everyone would die). It wont happen.

[lamboman43]

Noone will launch their nukes. It is mutually assured destruction (meaning everyone would die). It wont happen.

I dont know, N. Korea is sure talking the talk about it.

[Oblivion]

Yep, North Korea threatened to launch a missile at Seoul, and their dictator is crazy (literally I think).
It could easily happen.

[Koman]

I dont know, N. Korea is sure talking the talk about it.


It wont happen. By the time they entered the launch code we would have 70 nukes in flight. Noone is goin to willing be like "alright, lets just get everyone including ourselves killed" -N. Korea.

Anyways the us probably has nukes that could decimate their entire measly country in one blast.

[Whisper]

Guys...erugh
If North Korea ACTUALLY steps out of line the west won't have to lift a finger
what is it with Americans thinking they must do everything
Russia has already threatened military action
and China will not tolerate a trigger happy nuclear power on there door step

[Sapphire]

I don't think China would declare war. They are getting weary with N Korea and N Korea has effectively given China a slap in the face with their repeated missile tests and the reopening of a nuclear grade weapon plant.

[Whisper]

they dont have to
China is responsible for all the trade with the north really
the majority of the aid they get comes from china
china has been propping up the regime for decades
they don't want the north to fall because they don't want the mass dose of refugees in the millions or any other mess to clean up

The Chinese Empire has been around for thousands of years, they know what there doing
On the international level China is always extremely patient and polite on the surface
but the north is quickly becoming more trouble then it is worth

They havent slapped china
they've slapped america south korea and japan
china hasnt been following the trade embargo's that were set out awhile ago they dont care about the sanctions

[Oblivion]

Well Japan and South Korea are both our allies... That's why would would step in.

Russia has the most active and the most inactive nukes in the world, so that's kind of scary.

I wouldn't be that surprised though if Russia and China just ignored the war (if it started) since North Korea really is being crazy.


Post Script:
North Korea tested again today.

[Θάνατος]

Either way we are all screwed if a nuclear missile is launched.

I think we need to negotiate with N. Korea because it is very scary that they have the technology to end the world now.

It is scary to think that a rogue nation like N. Korea could end the world by sending a missile to the wrong country. I think we should all be afraid here.

[ManyPearTree]

If a nuclear projectile is launched, our missle defense will take action immediatly. In addition to that, Japan has several destroyers equipped with anti missle systems.

Even if the missle is successful, we would all die from prolonged radiation poisening if not distengrated instantly 

[Oblivion]

Well I'm fairly sure that North Korea doesn't have the missile power to hit us...
That's not what I'm worried about at all. We could blow it up anyways.

I'm worried about the war that would start if they shot it at South Korea or Japan.

[ManyPearTree]

You're lucky nick, you'll be oblitherated rather than me who will die of radiation cancer

I wish I lived in wahington 

[lamboman43]

You're lucky nick, you'll be oblitherated rather than me who will die of radiation cancer

I wish I lived in wahington 

Well one nuke wont spread extreme amounts of radiation around the country. Just look at nuke tests done before in the US. They didn't kill off the whole US.

[Oblivion]

Plus the US missile defense would destroy it, if North Korea's missile even was strong enough to go across the Pacific...

Russia on the other hand, could easily hit the US, so we will have to rely on defense systems if it comes to that..

[Whisper]

The United States missile defense system is a joke its never been fully tested and they've had numerous problems with it
your basically trying to deflect a bullet by hitting it with another bullet the chances of it being remotely effective in the event of an actual attack is minimal its nothing more then another multi billion dollar toy America can't afford to have

And china would not stand by
if they did and the north fell
then south Korea would absorb all of Korea
and a huge American ally would share a long ass boarder with China which for them is a huge security threat

Russia wouldn't allow it for the exact same reason


Think of how america would act in there position
God just look at how you've treated Cuba
and it doesn't even share an actual land boarder with you
Nor is it a super power with a massive military

[lamboman43]

The United States missile defense system is a joke its never been fully tested and they've had numerous problems with it
your basically trying to deflect a bullet by hitting it with another bullet the chances of it being remotely effective in the event of an actual attack is minimal its nothing more then another multi billion dollar toy America can't afford to have

And china would not stand by
if they did and the north fell
then south Korea would absorb all of Korea
and a huge American ally would share a long ass boarder with China which for them is a huge security threat

Russia wouldn't allow it for the exact same reason


Think of how america would act in there position
God just look at how you've treated Cuba
and it doesn't even share an actual land boarder with you
Nor is it a super power with a massive military

Well hows the Canadian missile defense system doing?

[Koman]

Well hows the Canadian missile defense system doing?


Does that matter? lol.

[Perseus]

Maybe he's thinking about moving to Canada. :P
And I don't even think Canada has one; they don't even have any nuclear weapons at all, if I am correct.

[lamboman43]

Well Whisper was hating on the US missile defense so I was wondering how theirs were. Which I know that Canada doesn't have one. They are kind of vulnerable to missiles. Luckily they got bad ass allies to save them.

And I could never move to Canada. I hate cold, snow and wind. I think Canada fits a couple of those catagories.

[Whisper]

I think ur face hits my ass

Well hows the Canadian missile defense system doing?

This is off topic
but why the hell would we need one?
Canada is a land of peace we literally invented peacekeeping we've been on more UN led peacekeeping missions then any other country period, we spend our money on health care, education, info structure, and international aid
We were the first to start diplomatic relations with China

Hell why does America need yet more missiles?
For all the countries that have nukes you are the only one to have ever used them
Everyone likes to bitch about China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc...
Yet they've never fired a single one
Iran wants nukes I agree they shouldn't have them but you know what America never should have given Israel nukes

Your defense budget spending now is over 3/4 of a trillion dollars and growing
Yet when a country like say China increases its military spending when its GPD grows everyone in the west FREAKS
Why is there always this double standard with Americans? Why is it perfectly acceptable for you to spend spend spend spend on new ways to kill thousands and conquer any country you want but if any other country on the planet increases its spending you FREAK because they are OBVIOUSLY up to no good

Like why the hell would you think its okay to put missiles right on Russia's boarder? Do you remember the fit America threw when the USSR was putting them up in Cuba. They withdrew theres before they were even operational, would you? didn't think so. But i mean its only for defense right


You have tens of thousands of troops stationed just sitting in Germany.....

BcuStxJHv4c
Eisenhower must be rolling over in his grave!
In 2005 the defense budget was $750,000,000,000, profits from the arms industry went up +25%
"when war becomes that profitable you're going to see more of it"

As of 2005 you had 725 American Military bases in 130 foreign countries
That is not a quest for peace that is a millitary regime
An empire ruling with an iron fist


If any anything the United States of America is the country that is a threat to world peace
It's always your way or the highway
Rich get richer poor get poorer
The American way


Consider the age of America and the amount of wars you've been in, the amount you've started
and then look at other Empires
Americans love war
You are the only country to have actually made killing a profitable business

:roll:

[lamboman43]

Americans only like wars when the country we go to war with attacks us. I am against the Iraq war. We shouldn't have gone there.

But you seem to hate all Americans when all the reasons you stated in there is not something us American citizens had control over. All of our white haired people in the senate, congress white house etc. chose to do this. If America wasn't run by war mongering white haired people then we would be at peace.

I just dont get why you should hate on all of the US. We aren't hating on you Canadians.

You should thank the US for stuff too. We let you guys immigrate into our country. We are allies with you. If some country tried to attack you we would help. If we weren't nice to you, Canada would be different.

[ManyPearTree]

Well, my dad does get a pretty descent paycheck 

[lamboman43]

What job does your dad have?

[ManyPearTree]

Army reserves 369th MCD (mnimal care division) as a captain registered nurse 

[lamboman43]

Army reserves 369th MCD (mnimal care division) as a captain registered nurse 

Sounds important!

BTW I dont like your siggy. It tells too much about my computer.

Anyways back on-topic. I change my views, I dont think N. Korea has the balls to shoot a missle at a nation like S. Korea. They know it would mean they will die. But you know some leaders arer just crazy!

[Koman]

Well if your country was as badass as america you would wish you had 700 military bqses in 130 countries. Yea we are that buff.

[ManyPearTree]

Let's stay on topic and try to avoid bashing other peoples statements

[The Batman]

Yea guy stay on topic or it'll be locked.

[Whisper]

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WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY SINCE THE FIRST POST
is that America doesn't need to involve itself in everything
thats why theres the 6 party talks
There is no need for another war
All this talk of military action is bullshit
what exactly will it solve
what more death
more destruction
more financial cost
if we as a society are sooooo great
I think we can solve situations without pointing a gun at someone and forcing them through fear to obey


I'm not responding again

[lamboman43]

Well let me start that I know we would be deeply burdened without Canada. I never said we wouldn't.

Also It's not my fault or my families fault Obama got to be president. I am STRONGLY opposed to him.

I just dont like how you hate on the US when we havn't said anything bad about Canada. I feel that I should keep my comments to myself about Canada.

Now on topic, again

If N. Korea shot a nuke at ANYONE they would be dead. Some other country would blow the shit out of them. And their stupid leader cant recognise it.

[Oblivion]

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WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY SINCE THE FIRST POST
is that America doesn't need to involve itself in everything
thats why theres the 6 party talks
There is no need for another war
All this talk of military action is bullshit
what exactly will it solve
what more death
more destruction
more financial cost
if we as a society are sooooo great
I think we can solve situations without pointing a gun at someone and forcing them through fear to obey


I'm not responding again

And leave our allies to be blown up and taken over by an insane dictator?
The point of allies is to help each other in war. If we don't help them, they won't be our ally.

[Whisper]

What makes you so sure they'll fire a nuke?
What makes you think they need ur help?
What makes you think it will lead to war? the north postures all the time


for an innssaaaaaaane dictatorship
they've lasted longer then any of its kind in all of history

[Oblivion]

What makes you so sure they'll fire a nuke? They have been testing them and North Korea threatened Seoul, South Korea. Other than that I don't know... This whole thread is theoretical.
What makes you think they need ur help? South Korea (or Japan) against North Korea, China, and Russia... I'm pretty sure they'll need someone's help.
What makes you think it will lead to war? the north postures all the time If North Korea attacks South Korea or Japan how could it not lead to a war? The US and Japanese (I think Japanese, but at least the US) armies are already on high alert.

[Reality]

I really doubt North Korea (or anyone) will be using any nuclear weapon anytime soon. I believe they're used for deterrence purposes, and fear tactics.

Once someone launches a nuke, they'll get nuked back, and it'll create a chain effect of distruction where everyone, everywhere (give or take a few) will die. The end.


Hell why does America need yet more missiles?
For all the countries that have nukes you are the only one to have ever used them
Everyone likes to bitch about China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc...
Yet they've never fired a single one
Iran wants nukes I agree they shouldn't have them but you know what America never should have given Israel nukes

Your defense budget spending now is over 3/4 of a trillion dollars and growing
Yet when a country like say China increases its military spending when its GPD grows everyone in the west FREAKS
Why is there always this double standard with Americans? Why is it perfectly acceptable for you to spend spend spend spend on new ways to kill thousands and conquer any country you want but if any other country on the planet increases its spending you FREAK because they are OBVIOUSLY up to no good
Agreed.

Americans only like wars when the country we go to war with attacks us. I am against the Iraq war. We shouldn't have gone there.
So Vietnam, Iraq, Korea, Grenada, Somalia and (I think) Bosnia etc. attacked the United States?
I don't think so.

But you seem to hate all Americans when all the reasons you stated in there is not something us American citizens had control over. All of our white haired people in the senate, congress white house etc. chose to do this. If America wasn't run by war mongering white haired people then we would be at peace.
Don't take it personally, whenever most people including me criticize "America" on these issues, we don't mean U.S. civilians, we mean your government, foreign policies and the military. I have no problems with the U.S. people.

I just dont get why you should hate on all of the US. We aren't hating on you Canadians.

You should thank the US for stuff too. We let you guys immigrate into our country. We are allies with you. If some country tried to attack you we would help. If we weren't nice to you, Canada would be different.
This was kind of irrelevant. He was attacking American politics he disagreed with (and so do I). I know the U.S. has done lots of good things throughout it's history.

But lol. You know Americans immigrate to Canada, as well. >_>

Well let me start that I know we would be deeply burdened without Canada. I never said we wouldn't.

Also It's not my fault or my families fault Obama got to be president. I am STRONGLY opposed to him.

I just dont like how you hate on the US when we havn't said anything bad about Canada. I feel that I should keep my comments to myself about Canada.
You shouldn't be so sensitive to criticism. Every world power has been criticized for crap. Britain was the world super-power once, and I can guarentee not everyone loved us, for example, India and Colonial America. :rolleyes:

[Whisper]

Ya i mean its not like you democratically elect all your heads of government

You shouldn't be so sensitive to criticism. Every world power has been criticized for crap. Britain was the world super-power once, and I can guarentee not everyone loved us, for example, India and Colonial America. :rolleyes:
Were still tight though
Commonwealth FTW

[Sapphire]

WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY SINCE THE FIRST POST
is that America doesn't need to involve itself in everything
thats why theres the 6 party talks
There is no need for another war
All this talk of military action is bullshit
what exactly will it solve
what more death
more destruction
more financial cost
if we as a society are sooooo great
I think we can solve situations without pointing a gun at someone and forcing them through fear to obey
I think this is one of the most sensible posts in this thread.
In addition to what Cody has said, bad feeling between the East and West would increase if the USA got involved and blew everything to smitherines.
Nothing beneficial would come of it.

[Skeln]

Well, really the US shouldn't be meddleing with other people's buisiness seeing as how we are in a crappy situatiion. But no, the US always wants to meddle with other people's buisiness which is exactly why we are in the wars we are in today! Tis the American way I guess.

I think it's wrong for the US to want to have all these nuclear weapons, yet they don't want other countries to have them when the US is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons! Also, people may argue that the US does't want other nuclear weapons for other countries because the other countries are fragile and are more willing to use them, but seriously in our situation, we're not ones to be talking. I say we stay out of their damn buisiness and let them handle their own god damn war! We've enough promlems already! We can't be rulers of the world and we can't try to control it whenever a war breaks out.

[Jean Poutine]

Well hows the Canadian missile defense system doing?
Paul Martin said no. What a fucker.

BTW North Korea doesn't have good enough LCBMs to reach Canada. They can barely reach the US west coast as it is.

If NK nukes anyone China is going to hang 'em by the balls. North Korea is like China's puppy. When it barks too loud it gets punished.

They're talking the talk probably because their oil and grain supplies from the concessions at the 6-party talks have run low and they need to extort more of our shit. They'll never walk the walk, unless they want to see their glorious juche system failing.