Should Gitmo be closed?

[lamboman43]

Do you think Guantanamo Bay should be closed?

I personally don't! We don't know where to put the terrorists. They have been suggesting the super max prison in Colorado. But i just saw a story on the news and they say there is no room in the prison. We could send them to other countries. But will those countries accept them? Well France will accept, drum roll please, 1 prisoner!!!!!!!:yeah::yeah::yeah: Well that leaves us with one less. It would be too dangerous to send them to normal prisons because they are too easy to escape from.

I think we should keep them in Cuba. They are perfectly fine over there.

[Camazotz]

I cannot vote because I don't want Guantanamo Bay to be closed, however I am against the torture they put the alleged terrorists through. They should be contained for questioning, and Guantanamo Bay is a great place to do so, but I think the torturing has to stop.

[lamboman43]

I cannot vote because I don't want Guantanamo Bay to be closed, however I am against the torture they put the alleged terrorists through. They should be contained for questioning, and Guantanamo Bay is a great place to do so, but I think the torturing has to stop.

Ya I don't really like the torturing, there are better ways to get the answers out of them. But it is an excellent place to interrogate.

[Skeln]

I would say no if it wasn't for the torturing. Because of that, I say yes because really Gitmo is like a whole rallying point for terrporist. One gets caught, they have the oppertunity to relay false info to the prison guards and they can also relay messages to other terrorist who might be released or other info.

I say we should keep the terrorist seperated, where they can do less harm. A terrorist in a prison ful with prisoners who don't hate America can be of no use to other terrorist.

[Reality]

I don't really care.

But maybe America shouldn't use another country to dump all their political prisoners, terrorists "trash" as I would call it, and use their own country to imprison them.

[lamboman43]

Maybe the US could buy an island and turn it into terrorist island. <real idea


Or send them to Area 51 and let the aliens deal with them. ( This idea is sarcasm so dont kill me over it) < sarcastic idea

[Reality]

Maybe the US could buy an island and turn it into terrorist island. <real idea


Or send them to Area 51 and let the aliens deal with them. ( This idea is sarcasm so dont kill me over it) < sarcastic idea
Area 51 sounds like a great idea, actually. I don't mean the aliens crap, but there's a fuckload of space there.

[lamboman43]

Area 51 sounds like a great idea, actually. I don't mean the aliens crap, but there's a fuckload of space there.
And it's in the middle of no where

[Skeln]

Ok, off of the Are 51 stuff. This is Gitmo, not Area 51. Man I leave this thread for a minute and look what happens?

[lamboman43]

Ok, off of the Are 51 stuff. This is Gitmo, not Area 51. Man I leave this thread for a minute and look what happens?

No it has to do with Gitmo. I suggested where to put the terrorists FROM Gitmo.

[Koman]

I don't really care.

But maybe America shouldn't use another country to dump all their political prisoners, terrorists "trash" as I would call it, and use their own country to imprison them.


Sounds logical.....


We should just kill them. They are terrorists.

[lamboman43]

Sounds logical.....


We should just kill them. They are terrorists.

BUt then there would be SOOOOO flippin' much controversy. Obama or whoever ordered it would be forced to quit their jobs.

[Oblivion]

I can't see how anyone can possibly think Guantanamo Bay is good.
A) The suspected "terrorists" have no trial before they are imprisoned and prosecuted
B) The "terrorists" are tortured which is extremely inhumane, morally wrong, and does not help whatsoever (if you torture someone enough they will tell you what you want to hear... not necessarily the truth)
and
C) If it were innocent, why put the prison in Guantanamo Bay? It's there because the US is doing things that would be illegal on US soil.

[Skeln]

I agree with Olblivion!

[Viral Death]

Who gives a shit! If they do terrorist acts agianst the United States they deserve to be in there and they deserve to be tourtured! Fucking Al Quida members!

[lamboman43]

Who gives a shit! If they do terrorist acts agianst the United States they deserve to be in there and they deserve to be tourtured! Fucking Al Quida members!

Well the problem is that we dont know if they are ALL terrorists. I think it would be an ok place for true terrorists not suspected terrorists.

[Nihilus]

Yes I think it should because there is no point in having Guantanamo Bay. Its in Cuba. I also don't like how the prisoners were tortured and they really didn't get a trial.

[Oblivion]

Who gives a shit! If they do terrorist acts agianst the United States they deserve to be in there and they deserve to be tourtured! Fucking Al Quida members!

First off, they have not been convicted, only suspected. No trial. They could take you right now and start torturing you, because you forgot to take the fireworks out of your pockets after 4th of July and tried to board a plane. (for instance, although somewhat exaggerated)
Secondly, how can anyone deserve to be tortured? If anything, they should be killed quickly. It's true (some) they are despicable people, but should we really go to their level? No.

[lamboman43]

I dont think anyone deseves torture. If I was to die I would want it quick and painless. I think goint through excrutiating pain would be terrible for anyone.

[Antares]

No. Why? Because we need a place to put terrorists...or suspected terrorists instead of sending the back to their home country (who does that?! loserish.) Also, because when people complained of inmates being tortured, why would you close down the whole facility?! Why wouldn't you just take the logical route and end the torturing?
It seems so simple. Closing the facility is just time consuming and potentially dangerous.

Also, ending a life fast doesn't do the situation justice. If I killed a whole family(premeditated), then I would hope that I would sit and rot in prison rather than just be executed and having my suffering end immediately. I think thats pointless.

[Oblivion]

No. Why? Because we need a place to put terrorists...or suspected terrorists instead of sending the back to their home country (who does that?! loserish.) Also, because when people complained of inmates being tortured, why would you close down the whole facility?! Why wouldn't you just take the logical route and end the torturing?
It seems so simple. Closing the facility is just time consuming and potentially dangerous.

...But keeping anyone they choose detained without bail, without due process, and without a speedy trial, or any trial for that matter is unethical, immoral, and against the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. It's so illegal in the US that the feds have to work in Cuba to keep it from being shutdown.

[Camazotz]

...But keeping anyone they choose detained without bail, without due process, and without a speedy trial, or any trial for that matter is unethical, immoral, and against the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. It's so illegal in the US that the feds have to work in Cuba to keep it from being shutdown.

What I've bolded is my main arguments against Guantanamo Bay. Why should people be tortured if they are only suspected terrorists? They have not received a fair trial, therefore it would be unconstitutional to torture them.

[ThUnDeR]

nopeeee cause they terroist and they need to be in a place like that f*** obama

[Camazotz]

nopeeee cause they terroist...


No they are not, they are "suspected terrorists", meaning they did not have a trial with evidence to prove them guilty.

f*** obama

I don't care if you do not like our current president, but there is no reason to make a rude comment like this.

[Skeln]

The thing is, the people who are terrorist can socialize with eachother for years if hey're in Gitmo. That means they can plot new terrorist attacks, and that they get a head start with completing them seeing as how they've already discussed their ideas with others and most likely gained allies. Also, new terrorist entering the prison can easily relay messages to other terrorist. I say they should all be seperated and let them think in their own little world alone, not with others.

[Zephyr]

It can't be closed.
None of the states are willing to accept the prisoners,
And they won't send them back to the middle east.

Should it be closed, no.
Should they stop torture, yes.

[lamboman43]

And another problem ( Hate to go Cheney on you) but none of us know the benefits of the torture. That goes against both sides because we dont know how good it was or the things we still couldn't get out.

[Skeln]

When people are tortured, they tell y9ou what you want to hear. It doesn't do too much good. Especially for those who are innocent, they're not going to get tortured for no reason! They'll just say soemthing random, the military follows through with what they were told, they waste time and money, and yeah the torturing doesn't do much good if you ask me.

[Viral Death]

Well the problem is that we dont know if they are ALL terrorists. I think it would be an ok place for true terrorists not suspected terrorists.

If they are doing terrorist acts and are related to Al Quida then who gives a rats ass.

[Reality]

If they are doing terrorist acts and are related to Al Quida then who gives a rats ass.
I think you've heavily missed out the suspected terrorist part. Actually it's quite obvious.

And obviously a lot of people give a "rats ass", as they don't want people who haven't receieve a trial to be tortured, just because they're suspected (not confirmed) terrorists.

Don't let your ignorance shine too brightly, pls.

[Oblivion]

Honestly torturing anybody is inhumane and disgusting IMO.
If they are really that horrid, and they have been convicted, give the death penalty if need be.

[lamboman43]

Honestly torturing anybody is inhumane and disgusting IMO.
If they are really that horrid, and they have been convicted, give the death penalty if need be.

I agree It's better to get them out of this world then keep them in it.

[Skeln]

I also agree. If someone's a terrorist, then kill them humanely and move on to the next terrorist! Quit torturing them to get info. that's most likely not even true and can lead us into a trap. Just end it for them!

Many terrorist don't even care about life and death seeing as how many are suicide bombers, so do them the honor of dying for their beliefs and us the safety of getting rid of them! It's not like they fear death when they're going to blow themselves up anyways, so it can't hurt them, but we benefit!

[MykeSoBe]

I don't know if someone already put this down, but I have something else. Why don't we put the suspected terrorists in a secure spot here in America, as Area 51, then deport the actual terrorists to Guantanamo Bay. From there, they have the option of life in prison or capital punishment. No torture, though! Torture is inhumane and contradicts the human rights of our nation.

PS If you think about it though, life in prison is sort of like torture, because then the terrorists get to reflect on their senseless actions, end up developing some mental disorder like depression or schizophrenia, and turn into a mess.

[Reality]

Even executing terrorists is not the way to go. Ever heard of martyrdom? It will cause increase in support for the terrorists' cause.

That's why they never executed IRA terrorists in Britain all those decades ago.
In fact many terrorists will want execution, simply because it adds to their cause!

I'm against torture - not because of how inhumane it is, but because it can never been too reliable (people can lie, and lie-detectors are never 100% accurate). But if it were to work I'd be for it - if pulling a few fingernails out can potentially save hundreds of lives, perhaps, then I see no reason why not to.

But then again, the fact that the U.S. is now "known" to torture suspected terrorists definitely works against 'em. So I'd say no to it.

[lamboman43]

I'm so sick of what our U.S. leaders do to the U.S. It gives us such a bad reputation. We are not as bad as it sounds. It's just the crappy leaders.

[Reality]

I'm so sick of what our U.S. leaders do to the U.S. It gives us such a bad reputation. We are not as bad as it sounds. It's just the crappy leaders.
I hold nothing against ya.

When I criticize the U.S. for things regarding military/politics (which is never that much because I don't pay much attention to it) it's never at the normal people living there, but at politicians and military officials. Like that bastard Officer in Vietnam who ordered that U.S. Army squad to slaughter loads of civilians.

But sadly some people are that shallow and will.

[lamboman43]

I hold nothing against ya.

When I criticize the U.S. for things regarding military/politics (which is never that much because I don't pay much attention to it) it's never at the normal people living there, but at politicians and military officials. Like that bastard Officer in Vietnam who ordered that U.S. Army squad to slaughter loads of civilians.

But sadly some people are that shallow and will.

Well at least you criticize the brainless leaders and not the actually smart citizens:P

[akadrase]

BUt then there would be SOOOOO flippin' much controversy. Obama or whoever ordered it would be forced to quit their jobs.

Acctually He would be impeached.

Gitmo should not be closed, and the major tortore used wasn't even a torture really. imean waterboarding only simulates drounding. you cant dround when in water boarding

[YourFriend]

I don't really care, but i am against torturing.

[Bluearmy]

You people talk of about torture being wrong because of human rights....

No human has the right to be a terrorist.

And this is why it is split. Look, I don't know much about bills and governments, and laws and whatnot. But I think there was something that we had, that pretty much said we would never torture people and whatnot, like.. not stoop down to their level of tactics or something like that. But we have broken it, and now are no better then the enemy we face.

Any people that wish to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both. - That was one of the epic CIV4 quotes...

[The Batman]

You do know that in their minds we are the terrorists. Seriously though good and bad is only defined by the perception of people. No one should be tortured or locked up with out a trial. Gitmo shouldn't be closed down though just better managed.

[ManyPearTree]

My social studies teacher said that we've been keeping persons there without reasons. And he said that it was agains. The US constituion. So if he's correct, I'm going to have to Agree with him..

[ocguy]

Not unless you want 'em living with you. Do you want a terrorist living with you in your bedroom?

My social studies teacher said that we've been keeping persons there without reasons. And he said that it was agains. The US constituion. So if he's correct, I'm going to have to Agree with him..

Your teacher is a nutcase. No wonder our schools are failing.
Do not double post if you have something to add just click the edit button ~Euphoria.

[Camazotz]

Not unless you want 'em living with you. Do you want a terrorist living with you in your bedroom?

Your teacher is a nutcase. No wonder our schools are failing.

Accused terrorist is much different than an actual terrorist.

His teacher is correct, the accused terrorists are held in Guantanamo Bay for "safety." They do not get the rights to a fair trial, which is in violation of our Constitution.

You should research before you falsely state opinions. "No wonder our schools are failing."

[boy.on.laptop]

I can't see how anyone can possibly think Guantanamo Bay is good.
A) The suspected "terrorists" have no trial before they are imprisoned and prosecuted
B) The "terrorists" are tortured which is extremely inhumane, morally wrong, and does not help whatsoever (if you torture someone enough they will tell you what you want to hear... not necessarily the truth)
and
C) If it were innocent, why put the prison in Guantanamo Bay? It's there because the US is doing things that would be illegal on US soil.

100% right, as to the guy up the top you shoue greatful France is excvepting any prisioners at all especially considering the discrimination French people felt after not supporting the Iraq war and the rename to liberty fries. France has not interfered with other countries politics and so has not been bombed I think it is very generous of France to accept any at all! This is an American issue Americans have imprisoned and tortured these people, that is the best way to turn moderates to extremists. In short, America did this they have to pay the price. The prisoners should have a fair trial the ones found innocent should be compenstated and released into societ, that is what the judicial system is for to decided if someone is guilty or innocent and to make the decisions the average person cannot make.

To the others who say they are find there, well why don't we send you there too? Why don't we waterboard you and take you away from your family, your home, your country and see how you like it?

[lamboman43]

100% right, as to the guy up the top you shoue greatful France is excvepting any prisioners at all especially considering the discrimination French people felt after not supporting the Iraq war and the rename to liberty fries. France has not interfered with other countries politics and so has not been bombed I think it is very generous of France to accept any at all! This is an American issue Americans have imprisoned and tortured these people, that is the best way to turn moderates to extremists. In short, America did this they have to pay the price. The prisoners should have a fair trial the ones found innocent should be compenstated and released into societ, that is what the judicial system is for to decided if someone is guilty or innocent and to make the decisions the average person cannot make.

To the others who say they are find there, well why don't we send you there too? Why don't we waterboard you and take you away from your family, your home, your country and see how you like it?
America shouldn't pay the price. America as a whole didn't "torture" these people. The government did. Not America, the government. Why should us Americans pay for what the government did? If anyone the government should pay.

[boy.on.laptop]

Any people that wish to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both. - That was one of the epic CIV4 quotes...-Benjamin Franklin, an AMERICAN fore-father who I imagine would be disgusted at the US current guant. bay policy.

Great man, Great game!

America shouldn't pay the price. America as a whole didn't "torture" these people. The government did. Not America, the government. Why should us Americans pay for what the government did? If anyone the government should pay.

I apologize yes the government should pay, however in reality all American's will pay and those that voted for Kerry unfortuantely will pay the same as those that voted for Bush.
In the future use the edit button instead of double posting ~Euphoria

[lamboman43]

I apologize yes the government should pay, however in reality all American's will pay and those that voted for Kerry unfortuantely will pay the same as those that voted for Bush.

Just as I am paying even though my family voted for Mccain. I guess a country can never really be equal.

[CaptainObvious]

Your teacher is a nutcase. No wonder our schools are failing.

Actually, it is well known that a number of people detained by America were so detained without legitimate evidence, and were later released when it became clear they could never be successfully prosecuted because the evidence was so shady.

Also, it is questionable at best whether or not Guantanamo is in accordance with the US constitution.

So as to the above, the teacher isn't a nutcase. Makes you seem more the nutcase, actually, to outright dismiss such allegations.

[lamboman43]

I think teachers should keep their opinions to themselves in school. Preach all about them outside of school but when it comes to stuff like this I think they should zip their mouths in school. We shouldn't be influenced by them.

[Camazotz]

I think teachers should keep their opinions to themselves in school. Preach all about them outside of school but when it comes to stuff like this I think they should zip their mouths in school. We shouldn't be influenced by them.

Even if the teacher is telling the truth? Should we ignore facts and statistics so Republicans will not feel insulted?

[lamboman43]

Well I just think kids are influenced to much by their parents and teachers. Sure it's a fact, and they should learn facts. But if democrats are given their glasses of Chateau Margaux then the Republicans should be given some too. (Yes it's an odd comparison!)

[ocguy]

Accused terrorist is much different than an actual terrorist.

His teacher is correct, the accused terrorists are held in Guantanamo Bay for "safety." They do not get the rights to a fair trial, which is in violation of our Constitution.

You should research before you falsely state opinions. "No wonder our schools are failing."

Gitmo inmates were found guilty in a Military court and are being held because they were found guilty of plotting against the United States.

[Antares]

Gitmo inmates were found guilty in a Military court and are being held because they were found guilty of plotting against the United States.

Umm...no.
Lots of them were/are held without trial...or fair trial more like.

[Atonement]

I cannot vote because I don't want Guantanamo Bay to be closed, however I am against the torture they put the alleged terrorists through. They should be contained for questioning, and Guantanamo Bay is a great place to do so, but I think the torturing has to stop.

I agree. I don't think that the high security prison should close, but I do believe the inhumane treatment needs to cease.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

1. it should close
2. move it in the middle of youre desert, you have a big one
3. torture is bad
4. the US government only pays cuba 2000 dollars a year for the use of theri land, if your going to keep it, pay more
5. keeping anybody, even accuesd terrorists without evidence is a terrible thing


finally, gitmo is something that the US government could be trailed over human rights violations for so that is bad for them