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Prince_of_Peace
May 21st, 2009, 02:00 AM
Please explain whey you do not believe the existance of HELL.

How do you explain people being possessed by the devil?

How do you explain people who worship the Lucifer or "Satanist"

There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.

If you can explain yourself subjectively and perhaps in a scientific way.

WARNING: If you believe there is HELL, please post on another tread called "THE HELL THERE IS". The reason for this is to avoid unhealthy debates. Thank you in advance.

Stevo 69
May 21st, 2009, 09:10 AM
err, this should be in ROTW or somewhere else as it's not puberty related.

i do believe so won't be a pain in the ass and debate

Ddaarrrreenn
May 21st, 2009, 10:35 AM
What the hell has this got to do with puberty?

Astrayed
May 21st, 2009, 11:25 AM
Hahaaa oh that made me giggle, Wrong forum mann :D Whats the point in arguing over opinions cos I know full well this thread will end up in a VERY heated argument :)

Death
May 21st, 2009, 01:57 PM
First of all, this should be in the Ramblings of the Wise (RotW) forum. Secondly, there's no hell becuase religion is all fake. That's my opinion for you.

nachtspiegel
May 21st, 2009, 03:33 PM
There are layers of matter (varying in thickness) below us.
Not a man with horns and a pitchfork.
*yawn*

The Batman
May 21st, 2009, 03:37 PM
If you think someone has posted in the wrong forum just report it don't post where it should go because by then there's nothing he can do.

Camazotz
May 21st, 2009, 04:57 PM
Please explain whey you do not believe the existance of HELL.

I (and everyone else) have no idea where the location of Hell actually is. Most people assume it is in the center of the Earth because it is hot. However, since no one has ever been there, we cannot truly know what Hell is like. Perhaps it is a barren wasteland of nothingness. Maybe it is a prairie of unicorns and flowers. Since you have no evidence to prove what and where Hell is, I cannot rationally say it exists.

How do you explain people being possessed by the devil?

Schizophrenia, paranoia, seeking attention, other mental disorder, etc.

How do you explain people who worship the Lucifer or "Satanist"

How do you explain people who worship God? People believe what they want to and/or what they are taught. Just like Satanists.

There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.

It is no secret that every person wants power. Some people have less limits on what they are willing to do to achieve this power.

If you can explain yourself subjectively and perhaps in a scientific way.

I don't understand. The burden of evidence is on those who believe in Hell to provide evidence of why Hell can and does exist. Frankly, I have not seen good enough evidence to prove Hell.

Skeln
May 21st, 2009, 09:54 PM
There is no scientific proof that hell exist. As for people being "possessed by the devil", well yah as stated above there's many different reasons for that. Mental disorders is a main one. Some juts have no sanity. Really, I believe it should be more about hjow to prove hell exist, because with that there's more of a debate if you ask me.

lamboman43
May 21st, 2009, 10:03 PM
I (and everyone else) have no idea where the location of Hell actually is. Most people assume it is in the center of the Earth because it is hot. However, since no one has ever been there, we cannot truly know what Hell is like. Perhaps it is a barren wasteland of nothingness. Maybe it is a prairie of unicorns and flowers. Since you have no evidence to prove what and where Hell is, I cannot rationally say it exists.



Schizophrenia, paranoia, seeking attention, other mental disorder, etc.



How do you explain people who worship God? People believe what they want to and/or what they are taught. Just like Satanists.



It is no secret that every person wants power. Some people have less limits on what they are willing to do to achieve this power.



I don't understand. The burden of evidence is on those who believe in Hell to provide evidence of why Hell can and does exist. Frankly, I have not seen good enough evidence to prove Hell.


Damn you got to it first.
Well everything Camazotz said is pretty much what I was going to post.

Oblivion
May 21st, 2009, 10:07 PM
How do you explain people being possessed by the devil? I do not believe anyone has been possessed by the devil

How do you explain people who worship the Lucifer or "Satanist" How do you explain the people who worship other gods than you? Or no gods? Just because people worship "him" doesn't mean "he's" real.

There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.


Mental deficiencies are the substance of true 'evil' people.



Honestly, if you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, then you really should take a step back and look at yourself.

Archer600
May 21st, 2009, 10:23 PM
Idk why u guys all want to debate this I personaly do believe in hell but I'm not gonna try and make anyone else believe in it as well and why should all u guys try to make me stop believing because neither one of us is gonna change. Why can't we agree to disagree and leave his thing alone like we should

lamboman43
May 21st, 2009, 10:31 PM
Idk why u guys all want to debate this I personaly do believe in hell but I'm not gonna try and make anyone else believe in it as well and why should all u guys try to make me stop believing because neither one of us is gonna change. Why can't we agree to disagree and leave his thing alone like we should

Well some of us want to debate. It wont kill us to debate all these topics. Are you trying to say that we are trying to get you to not believe in hell?

The Batman
May 21st, 2009, 11:04 PM
Ok guys stay on topic this is a debate not an argument so lets keep it that way.

INFERNO
May 22nd, 2009, 12:15 AM
For me, the location of hell as well as heaven are both undiscovered physically. We say hell is below us, heaven is above. We've explored into space, and saw no angels floating around, no god, no pearly gates. We drilled into the Earth's crust, no hell was there. You could of course argue that magma/lava is evidence of hell, however, that'd mean that somehow hell, governed by Satan, is able to harm god's creations while god cant/doesn't do anything.

There is also immense debate over what is actually within hell. It's generally accepted that there is Satan (however he looks), demons (however they look) and possibly something else. Everyone has their own ideas of hell, and to me, it seems like it's psychological: your hell is what you make it out to be in your head.

So, do I believe that there are "bad places"? Of course. But do I believe in a place of Satan, demons, etc...? No.

Demonic possession is something that is oriented towards psychopathology. The classic Emily Rose case is not without speculations that she simply had mental disorders that were untreated, and so they progressed and progressed. Overall, I explain demonic possession by mental disorders.

As a former Satanist (LaVeyan and Theistic, although mostly LaVeyan), I'm not sure what you're getting at by saying how do you explain why people believe in Lucifer or Satan. How do you explain people believing in any belief, any god(s) or goddess(es)?

Explain what you mean by "evil". You said before there are people who kill and steal, yet in your wording, you don't seem to consider someone "evil" even if they have killed someone(s).

As for destroying the goodness in others, everyone destroys their own goodness or other people's goodness in some way, shape, form and amount. I'm sure you know only God and Jesus are perfect, so humans are all inherently "evil" to some extent, making that question of yours rather odd to answer when you seem to indicate that only certain people destroy the goodness, yet all humans are flawed and damage others or themselves, or both.

The Boy Genius
May 23rd, 2009, 07:59 AM
if you ask me ( which no one ever does) i think all religions are wrong. For example. Jesus was god and good but his disciples were thick and ordinary. I think bad people are punished in some way, but it is hard to believe in god when he can let the farther of an 8 year old die, yet he can "create" an universe.

Atonement
May 23rd, 2009, 11:08 AM
Why are there evil people? I don't believe there are any evil people. No one is raised "evil". What they do, may be evil, but they are never evil.

Skeln
May 24th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Why are there evil people? I don't believe there are any evil people. No one is raised "evil". What they do, may be evil, but they are never evil.
Wow, that's deep.

Sunshine Girl
May 24th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Why are there evil people? I don't believe there are any evil people. No one is raised "evil". What they do, may be evil, but they are never evil.

i agree.

jasinbris
May 28th, 2009, 02:28 PM
i believe in god, and jesus, but not in hell or the devil - there are translation errors here in the bible - PM me if you would like to discuss it - I can prove to you scriptually that hell and the devil do not exist

INFERNO
May 29th, 2009, 11:19 PM
i believe in god, and jesus, but not in hell or the devil - there are translation errors here in the bible - PM me if you would like to discuss it - I can prove to you scriptually that hell and the devil do not exist

I'm sure many people are interested, why not post it here? If hell doesn't exist, then I question whether or not heaven exists.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Revelation 7:4)

If only a pre-determined amount of people are going to go to heaven, where are the rest to go? To hel... wait, that, according to you doesn't exist. So where do the remaining ones go? Do they just stay on Earth or is there some other "place" other than heaven, hell and earth?

Of course, there are also these lovely little passages...

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of earth will awake:some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2)

And they will go and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind. (Isaiah 66:24)

For a fire is kindled in my anger, and shall burn to the lowest hell; it shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. (Deuteuronomy 32:22, spoken by God)

Let death seize them; let them go down alive into hell, for all wickedness is in their dwellings and among them. (Psalms 55:15)

These lovely little passages seem to prove hell exists. The last two even speak directly of hell, using the word "hell". So, you have some passages, which I'm sure many would like to see and I presented some I found. I have shown hell exists, now it is your turn to show it doesn't.

The Batman
May 30th, 2009, 02:12 AM
There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.
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Evil is only defined by our perception of it. What's bad to some is good to others, for example back like 100 years ago it was alright for older men to marry teenage girls yet now they are perceived as pedophiles or whatever and evil people.

Death
May 30th, 2009, 03:30 AM
If you belive in heaven becuase it says so in the Bible, you should believe in hell as well. However, by using common sense and science to explain things properly, you will actually find that neither of the 2 exist.

Sage
May 30th, 2009, 10:41 AM
Evil is only defined by our perception of it. What's bad to some is good to others, for example back like 100 years ago it was alright for older men to marry teenage girls yet now they are perceived as pedophiles or whatever and evil people.

Evil is nothing more than anything that goes against one's idea of a perfect world.

The Batman
May 30th, 2009, 11:27 AM
Exactly Deschain.

potatoboy
June 3rd, 2009, 02:56 AM
If you belive in heaven becuase it says so in the Bible, you should believe in hell as well. However, by using common sense and science to explain things properly, you will actually find that neither of the 2 exist.

Well, you know that common sense and science cannot explain everything.
Science cannot answer questions like: "What will happen to us when we die?"

SO science is telling us that when a person dies,he is over forever and thats it???!!!:what::what::devil:

There should be something after death. Eventhough there isnt any prove,there is a thing which is called FAITH

I guess thats my opinion. :D :innocent::innocent:

INFERNO
June 3rd, 2009, 04:19 AM
Science cannot answer questions like: "What will happen to us when we die?"

SO science is telling us that when a person dies,he is over forever and thats it???!!!:what::what::devil:


Interesting how you answered the supposed unanswerable question... .

ThatCanadianGuy
June 3rd, 2009, 06:18 AM
Well, you know that common sense and science cannot explain everything.

There should be something after death. Eventhough there isnt any prove,there is a thing which is called FAITH


1) So... we SHOULDN'T use common sense in our lives? We should just blindly believe in anything, no matter how nonsensical it is? The scientific method has been demonstrated as the only way for us to accurately learn new things about the universe, we still have a lot to learn, but being irrational certainly won't help.

2) Faith: believing in something without any evidence or good reason to. Faith is harmful and worthless.

HelloWorld123456
June 4th, 2009, 07:22 AM
1) So... we SHOULDN'T use common sense in our lives? We should just blindly believe in anything, no matter how nonsensical it is? The scientific method has been demonstrated as the only way for us to accurately learn new things about the universe, we still have a lot to learn, but being irrational certainly won't help.

2) Faith: believing in something without any evidence or good reason to. Faith is harmful and worthless.

So faith is harmful you say ... So ... you believe that your mother can cook well ? If you dont believe that than you must have died years ago .. because you have faith in your mothers cokking abilities (or father or guardian of whatever) ...

Going blindly and believing everything that you arte told is totally wrong ... but you have to make a difference between a PERSON and GOD ... Believing in GOD is somethingsome ppl will never achieve because they dont want to open thier eyes and talk and BELIEVE in GOD ... Science will help you fall into Superstion or Fanatism ... That why ... Faith and Science have to walk side by side at equal forces and paces ...

I guess that my Belief

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Sage
June 4th, 2009, 08:12 PM
So faith is harmful you say ... So ... you believe that your mother can cook well ? If you dont believe that than you must have died years ago .. because you have faith in your mothers cokking abilities (or father or guardian of whatever) ...

Well, James presumably has tasted his mother's cooking and seen for himself that it's not bad. That requires no faith, because he's been there and seen it for himself.

Believing in GOD is somethingsome ppl will never achieve because they dont want to open thier eyes and talk and BELIEVE in GOD

Your argument is founded on the assumption that there is a God.

... Science will help you fall into Superstion or Fanatism ... That why ... Faith and Science have to walk side by side at equal forces and paces ...

Explain to me how science breeds superstition and fanaticism.

punkjake
June 4th, 2009, 10:15 PM
hmm i believe in God but i think he made Hell for and ONLY the DEVIL!Not for gays,killers,and atheist.MAyb saitntist becuz they love the devil :P

punkjake
June 4th, 2009, 10:22 PM
1) So... we SHOULDN'T use common sense in our lives? We should just blindly believe in anything, no matter how nonsensical it is? The scientific method has been demonstrated as the only way for us to accurately learn new things about the universe, we still have a lot to learn, but being irrational certainly won't help.

2) Faith: believing in something without any evidence or good reason to. Faith is harmful and worthless.

well scinces can't prove everything,you can't see the wind ,just its effects.I think you are(no offense )those people who only see to believe and what think they think is right with there facts becuz they don't want to be wrong :) no one knows untill we die,will to be hounest nothing dies it jusy changes forms.And evaluation is just a theory doesn't make it true the meaning of theroy:guess or conjecture

ThatCanadianGuy
June 5th, 2009, 06:15 AM
well scinces can't prove everything,you can't see the wind ,just its effects.I think you are(no offense )those people who only see to believe and what think they think is right with there facts becuz they don't want to be wrong :) no one knows untill we die,will to be hounest nothing dies it jusy changes forms.And evaluation is just a theory doesn't make it true the meaning of theroy:guess or conjecture

You need to look up the dictionary definition of what a scientific theory IS. This is beyond your run-of-the-mill WILD GUESS that normal people make in day to day life. The scientific method is what we use to prove things to such a high degree (and beyond such reasonable doubt) as to be irrational to consider things otherwise. Science/Math has "proven" for example, that you can NEVER go faster than the speed of light, you'll need wormholes to cross vast distances.

Honestly its getting really annoying CONSTANTLY hearing the "it's only a theory" nonsense when nobody even KNOWS what the hell a theory actually is.

Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

The Batman
June 5th, 2009, 09:31 PM
So faith is harmful you say ... So ... you believe that your mother can cook well ? If you dont believe that than you must have died years ago .. because you have faith in your mothers cokking abilities (or father or guardian of whatever) ...

Going blindly and believing everything that you arte told is totally wrong ... but you have to make a difference between a PERSON and GOD ... Believing in GOD is somethingsome ppl will never achieve because they dont want to open thier eyes and talk and BELIEVE in GOD ... Science will help you fall into Superstion or Fanatism ... That why ... Faith and Science have to walk side by side at equal forces and paces ...

I guess that my Belief

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All of those smilies were unneeded please don't spam like that again.

Camazotz
June 5th, 2009, 09:46 PM
You need to look up the dictionary definition of what a scientific theory IS. This is beyond your run-of-the-mill WILD GUESS that normal people make in day to day life. The scientific method is what we use to prove things to such a high degree (and beyond such reasonable doubt) as to be irrational to consider things otherwise. Science/Math has "proven" for example, that you can NEVER go faster than the speed of light, you'll need wormholes to cross vast distances.

Honestly its getting really annoying CONSTANTLY hearing the "it's only a theory" nonsense when nobody even KNOWS what the hell a theory actually is.

Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

I also hear, "evolution is only a theory..." a lot. If people took the time to understand that theories get as close as possible to being correct before being published, we wouldn't have so many people ignoring facts.

INFERNO
June 5th, 2009, 10:06 PM
What was the purpose of all those bouncy smilies? Anyways...

So faith is harmful you say ... So ... you believe that your mother can cook well ? If you dont believe that than you must have died years ago .. because you have faith in your mothers cokking abilities (or father or guardian of whatever) ...

The problem with this argument is that the person probably has eaten the food their mother cooked at least once. Since they have, then they can reflect on past cooking experiences and there would be a higher probability that the next meal will be good also.


Going blindly and believing everything that you arte told is totally wrong ...

I agree with this.


but you have to make a difference between a PERSON and GOD

If you are going to believe in a theistic belief and a god(s)/goddess(es), then generally you will differentiate between a person and the god/goddess.


... Believing in GOD is somethingsome ppl will never achieve because they dont want to open thier eyes and talk and BELIEVE in GOD

Did you not just say above that blindly believing in something is wrong according to you, yet you want people to believe that there is a god and believe in that god? Unless of course you encourage them to question their faith and their god.


... Science will help you fall into Superstion or Fanatism

Explain this.


Faith and Science have to walk side by side at equal forces and paces ...

Your reasoning for this makes little sense. According to you, science makes you likely to fall into superstition and fantasism, and because of this, science and faith must be at equals. So does faith not breed superstition and fanatism in order to balance out what science supposedly does do? Or do both encourage that and all there then is, is superstition and fanatism. I assume you are of Christian faith and so you would end up violating the second commandment:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water below (Exodus 20:4)

or if you want the Old Testament,

Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image (Deuteronomy 27:15)

The other possibility is faith does not encourage superstition or fanatism (but science apparently does). My response to that is for you to educate yourself on the basics of science and of faith.

I guess that my Belief
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well scinces can't prove everything

Science cannot prove anything as that implies something is either 0% or 100% correct or incorrect. Science cannot do this.

I think you are(no offense )those people who only see to believe and what think they think is right with there facts becuz they don't want to be wrong no one knows untill we die,will to be hounest nothing dies it jusy changes forms.And evaluation is just a theory doesn't make it true the meaning of theroy:guess or conjecture

I think you are a person who needs to learn the basic of science, including what a scientific theory is instead of making guesses out of the blue and believing you're right.

goin to work
June 5th, 2009, 10:11 PM
heven nor hell are real we all go to the same place when we die ad every one is there f who ever made the world a "god" loves us there cant be hell evil is just what a person consiters bad so then really hevan and hell are just a figimnt of immagation

INFERNO
June 5th, 2009, 10:28 PM
heven nor hell are real we all go to the same place when we die ad every one is there f who ever made the world a "god" loves us there cant be hell evil is just what a person consiters bad so then really hevan and hell are just a figimnt of immagation

There is no heaven nor hell, yet there is heaven and hell?

Also, could you use punctuation a bit?

L
June 16th, 2009, 04:23 AM
to trust in science is to trust in logic, all that makes sense, and proven facts.

to trust in god or to have faith is to blindly follow what has not been proven to be true, and makes little logical sense.

kingpinnn
June 18th, 2009, 03:24 AM
originally posted by prince of peace.

Please explain whey you do not believe the existance of HELL.

How do you explain people being possessed by the devil?

How do you explain people who worship the Lucifer or "Satanist"

There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.

If you can explain yourself subjectively and perhaps in a scientific way.

WARNING: If you believe there is HELL, please post on another tread called "THE HELL THERE IS". The reason for this is to avoid unhealthy debates. Thank you in advance.





just because someone is "possessed", doesn't prove the existence of hell, there could be spirits, and other dimensions where "evil" is majority, but to say that god separated souls, the eternal manifestation of life, into only 2 categories is complete ludicrous.

and just because someone worships it doesn't make it real, if someone had an insane attraction to bunnies, and the started worshiping bunny land, then, according to your logic, there must be a bunny land for bunny souls.

Prince_of_Peace
June 23rd, 2009, 04:40 AM
If there is no hell, there will be no atheist.

Sage
June 23rd, 2009, 05:28 AM
If there is no hell, there will be no atheist.

That makes no sense. Whether a belief is true or not, there will always be people who believe it and people who do not believe it.

ThatCanadianGuy
June 23rd, 2009, 06:17 AM
That makes no sense. Whether a belief is true or not, there will always be people who believe it and people who do not believe it.

The only reason why we NEED to have a "name" to call ourselves is because there are people who DO believe it and are arrogant enough to claim that EVERYONE agrees with them. (i.e. all atheists secretly know god exists, but are just living in sin because they want to... which is bullshit).

INFERNO
June 23rd, 2009, 02:14 PM
If there is no hell, there will be no atheist.

I don't understand this. If one religion is no longer existing, then how will that magically result in no atheists? I'm an atheist not simply due to Christianity and I'm sure many other atheists are similar or the same. Some may no longer be an atheist but some still will.

But your statement is also redundant in a way. As much as you may hate to believe it, Christians are also atheists. So, if Christianity vanishes or gets re-made you're right, some of the Christian atheists may stop believing but there will still be some Christian atheists and non-Christian atheists who still hold their beliefs.

pkid
June 24th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Please explain why you do not believe the existance of HELL.
Hell is not a place, but it is a time. Its all in the Second Coming of Christ, after the saved ones are in heaven, God will renew Earth by burning everything in it...etc...

How do you explain people being possessed by the devil?
Well as you all might know, while God was creating the universe, Lucifer was very jealous, and jealousy lead into hatred. So Lucifer persuaded 1/3 of all angels in heaven to go against God. (God let this happen because he wants people and in this case, angels to have a choice) Anyways, God sent Lucifer (Satan) to earth, and the dark angels too. Anyways people out there who are somewhat Satan worshipers get possessed from the dark angels.

How do you explain people who worship the Lucifer or "Satanist"
They probably chose the wrong path of life. And so they may be wanting to see supernatural things by worshipping the devil.

There are people who are bad who kill and steal. But, there are people who are evil. They are the one who seek to destroy the goodness in others. Why are there evil people.
First of all everyone could be evil, some choose to be the ones that steal and others who are just plain evil. It's all in what they choose, God guides each person, but its also the person's role to follow what God wants them to do. God wants people to have a choice.

adrian2011
June 25th, 2009, 01:35 AM
well, i belive in god, but i dont belive in hell, because if the bible is right about god being loving and kind, he wouldnt burn someone for an eternity for something they did in only one lifespan. even if they killed one person per day and got 100 years, they still couldnt burn forever. the world for hell used in some versions of the bible, as it is subjective to who translates it, is acutally the name of a place that was burning eternally on the outside of jerusalem, it was "gehenna" it was where the jews threw dead bodies that were not deserving of burial. some say the use of it in the bible means eternal destruction and not eternal burning. also, the bible says that the devil roams about the earth as a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone. so, he is not really the whole, horns and pitchfork cleshay. he could look like u or me. or just hover. the bible says that the dead simply cease living and thats it. no ghosts. so when u hear a true ghost story, u can proably assume its satan, in his true spirit form.

punkjake
June 26th, 2009, 12:50 AM
What was the purpose of all those bouncy smilies? Anyways...



The problem with this argument is that the person probably has eaten the food their mother cooked at least once. Since they have, then they can reflect on past cooking experiences and there would be a higher probability that the next meal will be good also.



I agree with this.



If you are going to believe in a theistic belief and a god(s)/goddess(es), then generally you will differentiate between a person and the god/goddess.



Did you not just say above that blindly believing in something is wrong according to you, yet you want people to believe that there is a god and believe in that god? Unless of course you encourage them to question their faith and their god.



Explain this.



Your reasoning for this makes little sense. According to you, science makes you likely to fall into superstition and fantasism, and because of this, science and faith must be at equals. So does faith not breed superstition and fanatism in order to balance out what science supposedly does do? Or do both encourage that and all there then is, is superstition and fanatism. I assume you are of Christian faith and so you would end up violating the second commandment:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water below (Exodus 20:4)

or if you want the Old Testament,

Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image (Deuteronomy 27:15)

The other possibility is faith does not encourage superstition or fanatism (but science apparently does). My response to that is for you to educate yourself on the basics of science and of faith.

I guess that my Belief




Science cannot prove anything as that implies something is either 0% or 100% correct or incorrect. Science cannot do this.



I think you are a person who needs to learn the basic of science, including what a scientific theory is instead of making guesses out of the blue and believing you're right.[/QUOTE]

maybe you need to stop thinking that you can prove everything when you can't,I know a lo of science,i study biogoly(sorry for spelling),and a lo other sciences,I'm just saying if it hasn't been proven,just wait,don't just say it is or isn't.For all we know there isn't no God,but there is another 50 chance there can be,I'm on that side

punkjake
June 26th, 2009, 12:57 AM
to trust in science is to trust in logic, all that makes sense, and proven facts.

to trust in god or to have faith is to blindly follow what has not been proven to be true, and makes little logical sense.

who says you have the logic,you and other athies?Am i the only thesit who thinks they are doing the samething they think we are to them?

INFERNO
June 26th, 2009, 06:39 PM
maybe you need to stop thinking that you can prove everything when you can't,I know a lo of science,i study biogoly(sorry for spelling),and a lo other sciences,I'm just saying if it hasn't been proven,just wait,don't just say it is or isn't.For all we know there isn't no God,but there is another 50 chance there can be,I'm on that side

Did you even read what I said? Show me where I said before that I think I can prove everything. That's great that you study science, and if you do, then you should know what the basics of science are: you cannot prove something completely right or completely wrong. I say this for a relatively simple reason which your response shows you haven't been able to grasp one bit: what are the properties of a scientific theory? One of them is that it can be falsifiable. Science is heavily based on scientific theories, on the scientific method, etc...., all of which indicate that nothing can be proven 100% or 0% correct or incorrect. As you claim to be someone who studies a lot of science, then you should know the philosophy of science.

steven95
November 14th, 2009, 01:27 AM
wow u rlly believe all that stuff. So you believe that just some how the earth was put just far enough away from the sun so that we wouldnt all just burn? And you believe that just some how the earths crust was made thick enough, by an explosion or something, to keep the core of the earth from making eveything and everyone burn to the ground?

The Batman
November 14th, 2009, 01:59 AM
Please don't bump old threads if it's more than a month then keep going. thanks. :locked: