Was Clifford Harris just in his reason?

[Koman]

Clifford Harris (aka T.I.) was arrested for having his body gaurd buy him something like 15 assault rifles with sinlencers and all that mumbo jumbo. If you havnt heard the story read it online, its quick. Basically he says that he had the guns for protection from all the the people and gangs that want to kill him. He was sentenced to 1 year 1 day in jail. That was after he completed his 1000+ community service stuff in like a month or 2.

Question: do you think he was just in his reason for having the weapons.

Question 2: do you think his sentence length is appropriate for his charge? Keep in mind he finished what was seeminly an impossible community service length.

[Oblivion]

Were the guns legal? Then sure, buy however many you want. If not, you shouldn't be buying one; there are gun law restrictions for a reason.

[Sage]

Agreed. If they're legally purchased weapons, I don't see the problem. Fifteen or so seems a bit excessive, but if it helped him sleep at night, I see it as fair.

[INFERNO]

I assume the guns were not legally bought or he didn't have the proper firearm licenses. I do think that his actions were rather extreme but still justified. I'd have probably cut back on the community service work and compensated by increasing the jail time to probably 2 to 3 years and a few hundred community service hours (not activities, just hours).

If the guns were legally bought and he did have the proper licenses, then I think he may/should file a lawsuit for false arrest and accusation.

[Koman]

No, he is definitly guilty. No doubt. And yes they were illegal. The question here is, was his reason for having them acceptable.

[The Joker]

Well, I would only agree if he had no plans on using them. If they were just so he could go to sleep and not be scared, then I guess it is OK.

[Koman]

The reason he has the guns is because many people close to him such as his assisstant, and a few of his friends were killed because they were trying to kill him. If this had happened to you what would you do? I know i would buy guns in order to be ready to defend myself. And i know just about evryone in here would.

[Camazotz]

First of all, if there are that many people that want to kill you, you're obviously doing something wrong. After doing some reading, I learned that he broke the law and deserved to go to jail. The law says that a convicted felon (Clifford "TI" Harris) cannot have another person buy firearms for him. Therefore, he deserved to be arrested because he broke the law. I disagree with most gun control laws, however Clifford Harris deserves the punishment for his crime.

That being said, the facts Koman has provided is over-exaggerated, and I feel it is necessary to know the facts. Clifford Harris tried to purchace three machine guns and two silencers. (I should also add that he tried to purchase them illegally)

Find the story here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21283987/

Now my main question is whether or not we are debating Gun Control in general, or this particular case.

[Koman]

First off i had heard different figures from lots of soirces. And the question is not if he is guilty champ, he obviously was. Its whether or not he had a good reason to be carrying them. Which he did.

[Oblivion]

If he bought them illegally he deserves the punishment regardless of his situation. gun restrictions are too light already, without people buying guns illegally.
If he was afraid for his life he could consult the police department.

[Koman]

If he bought them illegally he deserves the punishment regardless of his situation. gun restrictions are too light already, without people buying guns illegally.
If he was afraid for his life he could consult the police department.


Last sentence is hilarious.

[The Joker]

Why? If you are so afraid that you need guns to not be, than you should go to police.

I know the history behind this, he shouldn't have gotten the guns.

[Oblivion]

It was meant to be ironic.
Honestly if he has so many people after him he probably doesn't care much for police himself.
But he also probably doesn't care about gun laws... but that doesn't make it just.

[Koman]

Why? If you are so afraid that you need guns to not be, than you should go to police.

I know the history behind this, he shouldn't have gotten the guns.


Lmao i dont think the police would have helped a felon. Even if he wasnt hey couldnt do anyhing anyways.

[Camazotz]

If he bought them illegally he deserves the punishment regardless of his situation. gun restrictions are too light already, without people buying guns illegally.

Exactly my point. If he wanted to be protected that bad, there are legal ways to handle it. I know he wants protection, but he shouldn't have the rules broken for him to feel safer.

So no, he wasn't just. However, if we were debating gun control, I stand against it (gun control).

[Koman]

Exactly my point. If he wanted to be protected that bad, there are legal ways to handle it. I know he wants protection, but he shouldn't have the rules broken for him to feel safer.

So no, he wasn't just. However, if we were debating gun control, I stand against it (gun control).


What do you propose. (As in other options for safety)

[Camazotz]

What do you propose. (As in other options for safety)

Clifford Harris would never go for it (and neither would the government), but something similar to a Witness Protection Program, where he is secluded from people, alone and protected by a few bodyguards. Harris is focusing on his rapping and money, but if he is real that concerned with his safety, there are other ways of "hiding" from his enemies. Just look at what Michael Jackson did; run away to another country.

[Koman]

Clifford Harris would never go for it (and neither would the government), but something similar to a Witness Protection Program, where he is secluded from people, alone and protected by a few bodyguards. Harris is focusing on his rapping and money, but if he is real that concerned with his safety, there are other ways of "hiding" from his enemies. Just look at what Michael Jackson did; run away to another country.


Its kind of like saying... Hey i made 600 billion dollars but crushed many people on the way up, now im going to move to a different country but all my money is going to go away ($0 now). Its the same with t.i. If he did something like that, he would lose all of his street cred (from rapping). He would be the laughing stock of the entire hip-hop rap genre. Basically his choice in this matter is, die or goto jail. Thats not a good choice, but what would you choose. I know i would buy weapons meant for self defense (what he had his for). I highly doubt that if a car drove up next to you (you are driving), pulled a gun (aiming at you) and shot but killed one of your best friends since childhood, that you would not buy something for self defense.

[Camazotz]

Its kind of like saying... Hey i made 600 billion dollars but crushed many people on the way up, now im going to move to a different country but all my money is going to go away ($0 now). Its the same with t.i. If he did something like that, he would lose all of his street cred (from rapping). He would be the laughing stock of the entire hip-hop rap genre. Basically his choice in this matter is, die or goto jail. Thats not a good choice, but what would you choose. I know i would buy weapons meant for self defense (what he had his for). I highly doubt that if a car drove up next to you (you are driving), pulled a gun (aiming at you) and shot but killed one of your best friends since childhood, that you would not buy something for self defense.

I would definitely get protection, no doubt there. However, I wouldn't do anything I know was illegal. And I also agree that he would lose all credibility, but if it comes down to it, I'd rather be the laughing stock than being killed.

I don't blame Clifford Harris for wanting to be safe, but owning a gun when being a convicted felon is illegal. He could have easily hired extra security, which isn't illegal.

[Koman]

I would definitely get protection, no doubt there. However, I wouldn't do anything I know was illegal. And I also agree that he would lose all credibility, but if it comes down to it, I'd rather be the laughing stock than being killed.

I don't blame Clifford Harris for wanting to be safe, but owning a gun when being a convicted felon is illegal. He could have easily hired extra security, which isn't illegal.


He has security. His gang buddies. Well its not a gang, just his assistants and rap buddies. Well you arnt thinking in his shoes now are you? Its easy to say what you say when you dont have a fucked up life like his.

[Oblivion]

He has security. His gang buddies. Well its not a gang, just his assistants and rap buddies. Well you arnt thinking in his shoes now are you? Its easy to say what you say when you dont have a fucked up life like his.

And I'm sure his gang kidnapped him when he was 2 and made him grow up to be a gang member?

No; he made choices, choices that made him what he is. If he has problems with the law, so be it. But that doesn't void the laws for him; it doesn't make him invincible.

[Koman]

And I'm sure his gang kidnapped him when he was 2 and made him grow up to be a gang member?

No; he made choices, choices that made him what he is. If he has problems with the law, so be it. But that doesn't void the laws for him; it doesn't make him invincible.


As i have said before, its not about if he is guilty.

[Oblivion]

Just basically means right within morals or the law...
I'm saying it's not just because he broke the law by buying the guns without a license and proper documentation.
Regardless of whether he needed the guns or not, it was wrong legally at least.

[Koman]

Just basically means right within morals or the law...
I'm saying it's not just because he broke the law by buying the guns without a license and proper documentation.
Regardless of whether he needed the guns or not, it was wrong legally at least.


Oh and hes not in a gang champ.

Well no actually my question has nothing to do with law.