What came first

[Koman]

Btw if this wasposted previously, my bad. I searched and even looked back a few pages and saw nothing.

Well, what came first the chicken or the egg.

Its obvious the egg came first

Ill post reasons and what not when we get a good debate going.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Actually it isnt obvious if the egg came first or not. The ideas are their but details are vague and leave alot to be desired. One could possible say that the chicken came first, becuase the whole evolution part where fish grow and adapt and can breath on land and such, at one point one of them had to lay an egg to make a chicken. Yet many eggs were probably laid, previously to anything like this happening so its hard to say. You can argue both ways but there is no true definate evidence to support either claim.

[Koman]

Actually it isnt obvious if the egg came first or not. The ideas are their but details are vague and leave alot to be desired. One could possible say that the chicken came first, becuase the whole evolution part where fish grow and adapt and can breath on land and such, at one point one of them had to lay an egg to make a chicken. Yet many eggs were probably laid, previously to anything like this happening so its hard to say. You can argue both ways but there is no true definate evidence to support either claim.



Scientists actually proposed a hypothesis which makes some sense.
in favor of the egg btw. Will post if i get time.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Scientists actually proposed a hypothesis which makes some sense.
in favor of the egg btw. Will post if i get time.

Well, thats the issue its a hypothesis, and with science it isnt exactly true. You see the basic premisis of science is to always revist theories and hypothesises and such.

[Oblivion]

Well, it's really not that simple. There wasn't one egg that just hatched a modern day chicken; over thousands, maybe millions of years, birds have progressed into different species, slowly. So neither really, although egg is the best answer.

[Koman]

But the question is which came first, not what genetic routes did other species take to create the chicken.

[Camazotz]

In technical terms, the egg came first. Prehistoric dinosaurs laid eggs before chickens came to existence. However, if the question were, "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?" the answer would be unsolvable because it is a paradox.

[pcd31]

In technical terms, the egg came first. Prehistoric dinosaurs laid eggs before chickens came to existence. However, if the question were, "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?" the answer would be unsolvable because it is a paradox.

I love paradoxes and I love scrambled eggs. What's there to debate?

I never thought about the dinosaur eggs before. And Koman, tell me when the hypothesis starts the experiment and turns into at least a theory.

[Oblivion]

In technical terms, the egg came first. Prehistoric dinosaurs laid eggs before chickens came to existence. However, if the question were, "Which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?" the answer would be unsolvable because it is a paradox.

That's what i was getting at. There isn't an answer, because there is no real answer. Without a chicken, it would be impossible to have a 100% chicken egg, but without an egg it would be impossible to have a 100% chicken.

[Koman]

Lets try typing "what came first chicken or egg" on google and click the link from cnn. It should be first, read. I would post but im on ipod.

[INFERNO]

Seeing as how the question does not specify whether the egg is that of a chicken egg or an egg of something else, then I'm going with the egg came first, as other organisms laid eggs before chickens existed. If it is changed to the chicken egg, then I'm confused on that one.

[EverlostPoet]

Actually it isnt obvious if the egg came first or not. The ideas are their but details are vague and leave alot to be desired. One could possible say that the chicken came first, becuase the whole evolution part where fish grow and adapt and can breath on land and such, at one point one of them had to lay an egg to make a chicken. Yet many eggs were probably laid, previously to anything like this happening so its hard to say. You can argue both ways but there is no true definate evidence to support either claim.
iwas thinking the same thing but yeah shes right, you can argue it eather way...

[Rutherford The Brave]

iwas thinking the same thing but yeah shes right, you can argue it eather way...

Not a she, lol but thank you for aggreeing with me.

[EverlostPoet]

sorry, avii threw meh off XD

[Death]

I think that this would have been better with a poll. If you want my opinion, the chicken came first for evolutionary reasons - not for religious reasons.

[Stevo 69]

I fucking hate this question!

Sorry, but I hear it so much and everyone has to argue.



Now some say God created the chicken.
But others say that the egg was formed over years of evolution.

[SoRiver98]

I don't see how the egg would come first. an egg, after being laid, still needs maternal conditioning before it'll hatch properly. If there was no chicken to care for the egg, the egg wouldn't hatch, thus the chicken would never exist.

[Koman]

I don't see how the egg would come first. an egg, after being laid, still needs maternal conditioning before it'll hatch properly. If there was no chicken to care for the egg, the egg wouldn't hatch, thus the chicken would never exist.


Regardless of if the egg survived (it obviously did) it would still be there. Dead or not.

[SoRiver98]

Regardless of if the egg survived (it obviously did) it would still be there. Dead or not.

if it didn't survive, which under my philosophy it wasn't even first, it would definitely diminish and ultimately just not exist. and there would be no chickens and no eggs to this very day. which is not truth.

[Rutherford The Brave]

if it didn't survive, which under my philosophy it wasn't even first, it would definitely diminish and ultimately just not exist. and there would be no chickens and no eggs to this very day. which is not truth.

Actually there is a major flaw in your arguement. As some of the dinosaurs eggs were able to incubate on their own. So whos to say that early ancestors of the chicken couldn't lay self incubating eggs.

[Death]

That's assuming that the egg came first at all.

[Shattered Soul]

lol some other avian creature had an egg with a mutated gene, this mutation became what is now commonly known as 'The Chicken'

[Koman]

I think you guys are reading into this too much.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I think you guys are reading into this too much.

How so?

[lesher]

I think it's the chicken first, because the egg is just a "product from sex" after the evolutionary from "unknown" into a chicken

[INFERNO]

Lets try typing "what came first chicken or egg" on google and click the link from cnn. It should be first, read. I would post but im on ipod.

I think you guys are reading into this too much.

I think you should then look up your article you were referencing. Much of what is discussed here is discussed there.

[ErykaInspire.]

The egg.
Chickens gotta get prego(;
Roosters sperm fertilize the chickens egg. DUH! XD
(idk, i'm just being sarcastic, but if i'm right i'd be ecstatic) lmao

[Reality]

A giant bird monster came from out of space and laid 1,000 eggs. These eggs hatched into chicks, and then they reproduced, and so on so forth.

Therefore, the egg.

/thread

[Antares]

The chicken!

What came first on earth? adam and eve or their uncared for (incubated) egg??

[Koman]

read it and weep.

LONDON, England -- It's a question that has baffled scientists, academics and pub bores through the ages: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now a team made up of a geneticist, philosopher and chicken farmer claim to have found an answer. It was the egg.

Put simply, the reason is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.

Therefore the first bird that evolved into what we would call a chicken, probably in prehistoric times, must have first existed as an embryo inside an egg.

Professor John Brookfield, a specialist in evolutionary genetics at the University of Nottingham, told the UK Press Association the pecking order was clear.

The living organism inside the eggshell would have had the same DNA as the chicken it would develop into, he said.

"Therefore, the first living thing which we could say unequivocally was a member of the species would be this first egg," he added. "So, I would conclude that the egg came first."

The same conclusion was reached by his fellow "eggsperts" Professor David Papineau, of King's College London, and poultry farmer Charles Bourns.

Mr Papineau, an expert in the philosophy of science, agreed that the first chicken came from an egg and that proves there were chicken eggs before chickens.

He told PA people were mistaken if they argued that the mutant egg belonged to the "non-chicken" bird parents.

"I would argue it is a chicken egg if it has a chicken in it," he said.

"If a kangaroo laid an egg from which an ostrich hatched, that would surely be an ostrich egg, not a kangaroo egg."

Bourns, chairman of trade body Great British Chicken, said he was also firmly in the pro-egg camp.

He said: "Eggs were around long before the first chicken arrived. Of course, they may not have been chicken eggs as we see them today, but they were eggs."

The debate, which may come as a relief to those with argumentative relatives, was organized by Disney to promote the release of the film "Chicken Little" on DVD.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/05/26/chicken.egg/

[Skeln]

Seeing as how life (in theory) began with single celled organisms, they did'tt lay eggs. For a long period of time they reproduced like we do, without eggs that we lay. Instead, the eggs are inside and are never layed. Eventually there became animals that did lay eggs, and seeing as how the animals came first, I say the chicken came first.

[RandomChick242]

Well, you can't be fer sure because without the chicken, there would be no egg, and without the egg, there would be no chicken... If the egg came first then who the hell laid it!?!?! And if the chicken came first then where the hell did it come from!?!?!?!?!

[Rutherford The Brave]

Seeing as how life (in theory) began with single celled organisms, they did'tt lay eggs. For a long period of time they reproduced like we do, without eggs that we lay. Instead, the eggs are inside and are never layed. Eventually there became animals that did lay eggs, and seeing as how the animals came first, I say the chicken came first.

You can't really say that though, although its your opinion. We don't know, thats just it, I dont think we will ever know.

[Skeln]

You can't really say that though, although its your opinion. We don't know, thats just it, I dont think we will ever know.

I agree with you I have better things to do than argue about something that doesn't even matter, and something that I can never prove. I'll just wait for my answer when time machines are invented, then, maybe then, we'll truely know.

[INFERNO]

Seeing as how life (in theory) began with single celled organisms, they did'tt lay eggs. For a long period of time they reproduced like we do, without eggs that we lay. Instead, the eggs are inside and are never layed. Eventually there became animals that did lay eggs, and seeing as how the animals came first, I say the chicken came first.

The chicken can only come from other animals which would also lay eggs, hence, eggs come first. The debate isn't chicken eggs vs chickens but rather eggs in general vs chickens. Prehistoric eggs came before a chicken, unless you wish to argue against that and defy common sense.