The World no longer believes in HELL

[Prince_of_Peace]

I am curious to know as to how many people believe in the existance of HELL. HELL is a lake of fire prepared for Lucifer and his demons. This is where the souls of unrepentant sinner perish his eternal damnation. I believe that the world no longer believes in HELL because Lucifer is doing a smart job of diminishing sin. Wouldn't it be traggic to find out that your soul will suffer internal damnation than to believe in God's mercy? At the end, we will end up either of the two places...HEAVEN or HELL. Life is too short.

[INFERNO]

Why isn't this in the ramblings of the wise?

Anyways, to answer the poll, I do not believe in the existence of Hell nor of Heaven. That being said, I do believe that people in this world do believe in the existence of Hell and Heaven, and others do not.

[nick]

Absolutely not

[Gumleaf]

moving. boys puberty >>> ramblings of the wise

[Setzer]

umh... let's see... you've got 10 rules to follow, he can watch you whenever he wants, and if you aren't good in life he will send you to a place where fire burns you and devils beat your butt when you'll die... but he still loves you <3... -.-''....
come on! a lake of fire where your soul is damned and burnt, and devil beating and scratching you... and where is Whitesnow? -.- I think hell has been only invented by someone that didn't have anything to do -.-

[Reality]

No, I don't believe Hell exists.

[jrob11]

Because of Christ, Hell is no longer relevant for those who accept him. Through Christ we are forgiven of ALL our sins. This includes any one of the Ten Coms you break. (just don't forget to ask). Hell only exists for those who do not believe in Christ or our Father or for those who purposely push them away. But since I believe in Christ, there is no Hell for me.

[Reality]

Because of Christ, Hell is no longer relevant for those who accept him. Through Christ we are forgiven of ALL our sins. This includes any one of the Ten Coms you break. (just don't forget to ask). Hell only exists for those who do not believe in Christ or our Father or for those who purposely push them away. But since I believe in Christ, there is no Hell for me.
That's funny. So all non-Christians (Atheists, Agnostics, Muslim, Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc.) are going to Hell, even if they're good people?

Only Christians don't go to hell? Damnit, I guess I'm screwed then, eh?

If I'm not wrong, don't some Christians claim that you go to Heaven if you live a good life. Regardless of whether you're a Christian, or not?

[Rutherford The Brave]

That's funny. So all non-Christians (Atheists, Agnostics, Muslism, Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc.) are going to Hell, even if they're good people?

Only Christians don't go to hell? Damnit, I guess I'm screwed then, eh?

If I'm not wrong, don't some Christians claim that you go to Heaven if you live a good life. Regardless of whether you're a Christian, or not?

Most christians believe that all people who arent baptized are going to hell. But, in the first Vatican council and in the second they touch on the fact that ones character and the way that the person sees god is enough to grant them salvation. The also touched on the fact that those who believe in other divine beings will also reach salvation and shall be granted such a passage with out complaint. Because hell in fact was a myth made up by christians to scare the unfaithful back into the faith.

[nick]

Most christians believe that all people who arent baptized are going to hell.
I hope thats not true. Its not my experience here in the UK. I think what you should say is Christian Fundamentalists believe....

[Cloud]

none of you heard the parable of the sheep and the goats????
heaven and hell and purgatory(kinda irrelevant to the discussion) are where we are said to go until judgement day. it is not all non believers will go to hell(well not from my part of christainity although some do believe this) and it is said that one judgement day god will seperate the good from the evil like the shephard seperates the sheep from the goats
it is those who visited the sicked, clothed the naked, fed the hungry and helped the helpless who enter heaven. and those who didnt will go to hell

wow RE class is paying off yay for revision aids for nextweeks exam

[Sage]

Hey Prince! Where you been? It's been a while. Welcome back, at any rate.

I disbelieve in Hell because the idea seems unjust to me. Hell is an eternal punishment for finite crimes. Everything we do here on Earth is finite, regardless of your beliefs. It is impossible to commit a crime that is actually eternally harmful. So from this, I can conclude that no one, not even the most terrible of dictators, could truly deserve to suffer for an eternity.

[Oblivion]

I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to do good deeds. So no. I don't believe in hell.

[Sapphire]

HELL is a lake of fire prepared for Lucifer and his demons. This is where the souls of unrepentant sinner perish his eternal damnation.I think you will find that to be a rather out-dated view of hell nowadays. A lot of people see hell with a more modern twist to it and believe that it simply means that you will never be able to join God and are denied some luxuries in the afterlife.

I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to do good deeds. Neither do I. I pity the people who only do good things to avoid going to hell.

[Camazotz]

I do not believe in Hell physically, mentally, or spiritually.

Physically we cannot prove that Hell exists. We cannot find it, we cannot get there. There is no way to prove that Hell is actually fiery. Maybe it's cold, because last time I checked, no one has been able to tell us what Hell is really like.

Ancient Christians imagined the worst torture they could think of and threatened us to believe in God or that's what would happen to our souls. I think it's disgusting and pathetic the length people would lie to scare people into believing in God.

[Reality]

none of you heard the parable of the sheep and the goats????
heaven and hell and purgatory(kinda irrelevant to the discussion) are where we are said to go until judgement day. it is not all non believers will go to hell(well not from my part of christainity although some do believe this) and it is said that one judgement day god will seperate the good from the evil like the shephard seperates the sheep from the goats
it is those who visited the sicked, clothed the naked, fed the hungry and helped the helpless who enter heaven. and those who didnt will go to hell

wow RE class is paying off yay for revision aids for nextweeks exam
Ahaha. I think you're doing the exact same thing as me in RS, because we learned about some of that.

I, too, have an exam next week on the 12th and then 18th.

[Zazu]

I don't believe in hell as Christianity puts it, or as any other religion portrays it.

[Trickster]

I do beleive in Heaven and Hell. But to go to Hell you have to do something unspeakable like Hitler or mass murder. I dont see a reason to be eternaly damned if you stole something or got mad at God a few times. I wouldnt call myself a christian because i have my own beleif in God. Heaven is i think where most people will go, and Hell doesnt have a big population. We all have done these so called Sin's but were human we make mistakes, we do evil things it called life. Hell i think exists for the people who TRULY DESERVE it and heaven is for people who are decently 10% good. Cuz in truth were all cosmic ass-holes in some way or another. just who is the biggest one

[Whisper]

MeSSwKffj9o

[RaeNose]

I believe that Hell, in the Dante's Inferno sense, isn't real. Jesus does speak about it; however, is was not brought up until after the break in the Bible's history period... if that makes any sense. The Hell concept was not originally a Jewish/Christian concept, it was invented to scare people into being good. That's most likely why Jesus only condemns the Pharisees who condemned others into their own created Hell.

However, I believe that there is a type of hell that can be experienced. I mean, when you face your Creator and he says, "I gave you as many chances as possible, and you continually turned your back. I watched you throughout your entire life growing up; I've seen you through every struggle, and you couldn't swallow your own pride and live for me?" That guilt, to me, seems to be the ultimate hell.
Of course, He then says, "That's why he died." He created you to be with you, why would he ever kill a part of him to not let everyone into Heaven?

Although, I could be wrong, but that's how i see it.

[Sage]

However, I believe that there is a type of hell that can be experienced. I mean, when you face your Creator and he says, "I gave you as many chances as possible, and you continually turned your back. I watched you throughout your entire life growing up; I've seen you through every struggle, and you couldn't swallow your own pride and live for me?" That guilt, to me, seems to be the ultimate hell.
Of course, He then says, "That's why he died." He created you to be with you, why would he ever kill a part of him to not let everyone into Heaven?

Personally, I wouldn't feel guilty for not believing in something that lacks as much evidence as the christian God.

[RaeNose]

Your choice, I'm not forcing anyone. These are just my views. This is a collection of 16 years of observation.

[Prince_of_Peace]

Thanks Deschain for the welcome. I knew that you'll reply to this post because of your great unbelief in God. We are just making a poll here.

No debate guys...its just a poll to see who believes in the existence of Hell. Thank you everyone for posting...I hope we see more results. Maybe when summer gets too hot, we see can imagine what hell looks like.

[AllThatIsLeft]

Hell. Eternal Damnation, does a good non-believer really deserve hell?
but a murderer that asks for forgiveness can enter your so called heaven?

No i dont believe in Hell, it makes no rational sense.
and what doesn't make sense, it's usually wrong.

The thought of hell wont scare me into believing something i know i dont.

[MykeSoBe]

Because of Christ, Hell is no longer relevant for those who accept him. Through Christ we are forgiven of ALL our sins. This includes any one of the Ten Coms you break. (just don't forget to ask). Hell only exists for those who do not believe in Christ or our Father or for those who purposely push them away. But since I believe in Christ, there is no Hell for me.

What denomination (religion) are you from? It would be helpful next time so that way I and everyone else can compare.

[MykeSoBe]

Hey Prince! Where you been? It's been a while. Welcome back, at any rate.

I disbelieve in Hell because the idea seems unjust to me. Hell is an eternal punishment for finite crimes. Everything we do here on Earth is finite, regardless of your beliefs. It is impossible to commit a crime that is actually eternally harmful. So from this, I can conclude that no one, not even the most terrible of dictators, could truly deserve to suffer for an eternity.

Hmm, perhaps when someone is sentenced to life in prison, that makes them jump up for joy ...

[MykeSoBe]

Hell. Eternal Damnation, does a good non-believer really deserve hell?
but a murderer that asks for forgiveness can enter your so called heaven?

No i dont believe in Hell, it makes no rational sense.
and what doesn't make sense, it's usually wrong.

The thought of hell wont scare me into believing something i know i dont.

Quite a good argument you have going here. I say your side wins the argument, albeit I will never lose faith in the Roman Catholic religion, as it is an important part of our family's culture, no matter how much science has the balls to disprove it. I will die just to keep my faith. Now, please, especially you non-believers, don't ban me for what I just said, all I'm saying is that religion is important in me. That's all.

umh... let's see... you've got 10 rules to follow, he can watch you whenever he wants, and if you aren't good in life he will send you to a place where fire burns you and devils beat your butt when you'll die... but he still loves you <3... -.-''....
come on! a lake of fire where your soul is damned and burnt, and devil beating and scratching you... and where is Whitesnow? -.- I think hell has been only invented by someone that didn't have anything to do -.-

Yes, OK, non-believers win this argument, but I will not lose my Roman Catholicism. You must be part of the metropolitan Italy which is copying off of the United States. It's sad to see Italy's culture diminish like this. It scares me, as a second-generation Italian-American, because I was born and raised here in the US, yet I speak Italian (Abruzzese dialect) entirely at home, watch RAI2 channel half the time, which is from Italy, listen to traditional (folk) Italian music more than modern, pop-ish Italian music, and food from the microwave is just plain laziness to us.

.. yes, all this has absolutely nothing to do with religion (...unless), but I have to mention it.

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[Sage]

Thanks Deschain for the welcome. I knew that you'll reply to this post because of your great unbelief in God.

Not really, I just like a good discussion or debate and that's what this forum is all about. Easy posts for me, bud.

No debate guys...its just a poll to see who believes in the existence of Hell. Thank you everyone for posting...I hope we see more results. Maybe when summer gets too hot, we see can imagine what hell looks like.

A poll is a poll, but this is a debate and discussion forum. That's just what people will do. I don't see the problem if things stay civil.

Hmm, perhaps when someone is sentenced to life in prison, that makes them jump up for joy ...

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Please explain.

Also, forzaitaliano, there's a multi-quote button. Please use it.

[MykeSoBe]

Also, forzaitaliano, there's a multi-quote button. Please use it.

I'm stumped on how to use it though. What do I do, press multi-quote on every quote I want to reply on, then just press reply, or what do I do? I mean, if I'm not using it, there is a clear sign I'm having trouble using it. All is appreciated.

.. And as an apology, I think I went a bit too extreme defending religion on the Evolution thread 2-3 months back or whatnot. Of course, I believe in all science, just that with many parts that interfere with religion, I get offended. I would feel great if everyone would accept my apology.

[INFERNO]

We are just making a poll here.

Unfortunately, this is a debate forum.

I'm stumped on how to use it though. What do I do, press multi-quote on every quote I want to reply on, then just press reply, or what do I do?

That's the easy way, yes. The harder way is to type in "[q.uote="name"] text [/quote], just without the "." and without the quotation marks.

[Antares]

I think that no one REALLY goes to hell because God is supposed to love everyone...so...I think there is like one person in hell. The devil :P

[RaeNose]

Exactly. I agree with the aforementioned post. :)

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Hell is a sadistic fairytale created to control credulous and ignorant people through fear. It is a totally unfounded and immoral concept, to imagine infinite torture for finite transgressions, or even being sent to "hell" simply for not being a member of the Jesus Fan Club (Christianity).

So, do I believe in hell? Of course not! That's like asking if I believe that Mordor from the Lord of the Rings is an actual place! :lol:

[Sage]

So, do I believe in hell? Of course not! That's like asking if I believe that Mordor from the Lord of the Rings is an actual place! :lol:

Hold on there, James. One does not simply contradict the existance of Mordor.

[Death]

Neither hell or heaven exists. It's all a ruse to make people behave themselves; it doesn't usually work anyway. In fact, plenty of athiests are very nice people anyway, so, no such thing.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Neither hell or heaven exists. It's all a ruse to make people behave themselves; it doesn't usually work anyway. In fact, plenty of athiests are very nice people anyway, so, no such thing.

QFT

You know, Christians often try to intimidate me by asking what I'd do or say if I died and found out then that Heaven was real and had to stand before their god. Well... that's an easy enough question to answer. What I'd say to their god... would depend on how good his APOLOGY was for his appalling record of taking care of this world and being a tyrannical, sadistic ass for so long.

[Zephyr]

I'm an Atheist. Neither exist.

[Donkey]

I believe that hell does not exist.

[chris__robin]

i believe that religion is a fabrication by people to have something higher than themselves to believe in and look to instead of figuring out life and values for themselves.

heaven and hell? well if you believe in it good for you and if it keeps you being a good christian boy or girl then thats nice. but i dont need a church to tell me how to be a good person and live my life im quite happy doing that myself.

i know you died for humanity and all J.C. but uhh ... ill take the steering wheel from here.. thanks anyway.

[Death]

QFT

You know, Christians often try to intimidate me by asking what I'd do or say if I died and found out then that Heaven was real and had to stand before their god. Well... that's an easy enough question to answer. What I'd say to their god... would depend on how good his APOLOGY was for his appalling record of taking care of this world and being a tyrannical, sadistic ass for so long.

You've summed up the fictional god so bloody well! :yeah:

I agree with everyone else who posted after me!

[usurper]

I am curious to know as to how many people believe in the existance of HELL. HELL is a lake of fire prepared for Lucifer and his demons. This is where the souls of unrepentant sinner perish his eternal damnation. I believe that the world no longer believes in HELL because Lucifer is doing a smart job of diminishing sin. Wouldn't it be traggic to find out that your soul will suffer internal damnation than to believe in God's mercy? At the end, we will end up either of the two places...HEAVEN or HELL. Life is too short.

There is no such thing as gods, so how can there be a hell? ALL Religions are all a con game to keep people ignorant slaves.

[Sage]

ALL Religions are all a con game to keep people ignorant slaves.

I concur, that would mainly be the major ones.

[kenoloor]

MeSSwKffj9o

:D

Wow. That was.......interesting.

My opinion:
No I don't believe in hell. I think everyone else has pretty much said enough so I don't feel that i have much to add.

[Death]

There is no such thing as gods, so how can there be a hell? ALL Religions are all a con game to keep people ignorant slaves.

Oh, so true!

[Prince_of_Peace]

Pastor and author Rick Warren in an interview with Paul Bradshaw, March 28, 2005:

People ask me, What is the purpose of life? And I respond: In a nutshell, life is preparation for eternity. We were not made to last forever, and God wants us to be with Him in Heaven. One day my heart is going to stop, and that will be the end of my body– but not the end of me. I may live 60 to 100 years on earth, but I am going to spend trillions of years in eternity. This is the warm-up act - the dress rehearsal. God wants us to practice on earth what we will do forever in eternity.

We were made by God and for God, and until you figure that out, life isn’t going to make sense. Life is a series of problems: Either you are in one now, you’re just coming out of one, or you’re getting ready to go into another one.

The reason for this is that God is more interested in your character than your comfort. God is more interested in making your life holy than He is in making your life happy. We can be reasonably happy here on earth, but that’s not the goal of life. The goal is to grow in character–in Christ likeness.

This past year has been the greatest year of my life but also the toughest, with my wife, Kay, getting cancer. I used to think that life was hills and valleys - you go through a dark time, then you go to the mountaintop, back and forth. I don’t believe that anymore. Rather than life being hills and valleys, I believe that it’s kind of like two rails on a railroad track, and at all times you have something good and something bad in your life. No matter how good things are in your life, there is always something bad that needs to be worked on.

And no matter how bad things are in your life, there is always something good you can thank God for. You can focus on your purposes, or you can focus on your problems. If you focus on your problems, you’re headed into self-centeredness, i.e. “my problem, my issues, my pain.” But one of the easiest ways to get rid of pain is to get your focus off yourself and onto God and others. We discovered quickly that in spite of the prayers of hundreds of thousands of people, God was not going to heal Kay or make it easy for her. It has been very difficult for her, and yet God has strengthened her character, given her a ministry of helping other people, given her a testimony, drawn her closer to Him and to people. You have to learn to deal with both the good and the bad of life.

Actually, sometimes learning to deal with the good is harder. For instance, this past year, all of a sudden, when the book (The Purpose Driven Life) sold 15 million copies, it made me instantly very wealthy. It also brought a lot of notoriety that I had never had to deal with before. I don’t think God gives you money or notoriety for your own ego or for you to live a life of ease. So I began to ask God what He wanted me to do with this money, notoriety and influence. He gave me two different passages that helped me decide what to do, II Corinthians 9 and Psalm 72:

First, in spite of all the money coming in, we would not change our lifestyle one bit. We made no major purchases.

Second, about midway through last year, I stopped taking a salary from the church.

Third, we set up foundations to fund an initiative we call The Peace Plan to plant churches, equip leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick, and educate the next generation.

Fourth, I added up all that the church had paid me in the 24 years since I started the church, and I gave it all back. It was liberating to be able to serve God for free.

We need to ask ourselves: Am I going to live for possessions? Popularity? Am I going to be driven by pressures? Guilt? Bitterness? Materialism? Or am I going to be driven by God’s purposes for my life? When I get up in the morning, I sit on the side of my bed and say, God, if I don’t get anything else done today, I want to know You more and love You better. God didn’t put me on earth just to fulfill a to-do list. He’s more interested in what I am than what I do.That’s why we’re called human beings, not human doings.

Here’s how we should live: In our

Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Since we don't believe in god, copy/pasting that whole article there was a waste of time. Rick Warren is an idiot, by the way. He made an ass of himself when he spoke at Obama's inauguration ceremony.

[INFERNO]

Prince of Peace, what was the purpose of copying and pasting that article? You've shown some people are very devoted to god, that's wonderful but that's nothing new.

The end bit telling how people should live their lives... no thank you, I'm living mine exactly how I choose, you can live your life the same as mine, the same as ThatCanadianGuy's (or any other random person), according to the bible or however you wish.

[bobbyredsnow]

i believe in heaven but i don't believe in the typical fire of hell. The most simple definition of hell is merely separation from God. Nothing to do with pitch forks or fire ;-)

[pkid]

Well first of all, almost everyones got it all wrong. Let me start out as explaining that when a person dies he dies and does not walk around as ghosts etc. And when a person dies he/she doesn't go to either heaven or hell right away. All that is dead will rise up in the second coming of Jesus Christ. And from there on the alive and dead in Christ will ascend into heaven while the dead/alive who rejected Jesus watch. When all the people who are in Christ are in heaven, Jesus will renew the earth by burning it up with fire so hot it kills everyone except Satan. Satan then is by himself in earth for 1000 years. And when Jesus comes back down Satan gives life to all the unsaved people and tries to attack the kingdom of God while it descends down from heaven. Jesus then brings out hell fire and destroys all the corrupt people including Satan and his angels. But right when the corrupt people attack the kingdom, they start feeling bad for themselves because now they know they should've followed God. Anyways the earth will then be renewed and be heaven-like and that's where we will mainly stay.

Oh and hell is NOT a place, but it is a time in place. It also doesn't last forever.
If you want to know more/proof read the book in the bible called Revelations.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Well first of all, almost everyones got it all wrong. Let me start out as explaining that when a person dies he dies and does not walk around as ghosts etc. And when a person dies he/she doesn't go to either heaven or hell right away. All that is dead will rise up in the second coming of Jesus Christ. And from there on the alive and dead in Christ will ascend into heaven while the dead/alive who rejected Jesus watch. When all the people who are in Christ are in heaven, Jesus will renew the earth by burning it up with fire so hot it kills everyone except Satan. Satan then is by himself in earth for 1000 years. And when Jesus comes back down Satan gives life to all the unsaved people and tries to attack the kingdom of God while it descends down from heaven. Jesus then brings out hell fire and destroys all the corrupt people including Satan and his angels. But right when the corrupt people attack the kingdom, they start feeling bad for themselves because now they know they should've followed God. Anyways the earth will then be renewed and be heaven-like and that's where we will mainly stay.

Oh and hell is NOT a place, but it is a time in place. It also doesn't last forever.
If you want to know more/proof read the book in the bible called Revelations.

And on what basis should someone (an atheist like myself) believe ANY of these claims and assertions you have made? What kind of evidence if any can you give that could ever convince us of the mythology of the bible?

You can't cite the bible as a source of proof, or truth for that matter. If YOU read up on the actual history of the bible and its canonization by the early catholic church, you'd realize that MEN (bishops etc.) were responsible for putting the books of the bible together. And guess what? They almost didn't include the book of revelations, because they thought it was too crazy for anyone to take seriously!

[INFERNO]

Well first of all, almost everyones got it all wrong. Let me start out as explaining that when a person dies he dies and does not walk around as ghosts etc. And when a person dies he/she doesn't go to either heaven or hell right away. All that is dead will rise up in the second coming of Jesus Christ. And from there on the alive and dead in Christ will ascend into heaven while the dead/alive who rejected Jesus watch. When all the people who are in Christ are in heaven, Jesus will renew the earth by burning it up with fire so hot it kills everyone except Satan. Satan then is by himself in earth for 1000 years. And when Jesus comes back down Satan gives life to all the unsaved people and tries to attack the kingdom of God while it descends down from heaven. Jesus then brings out hell fire and destroys all the corrupt people including Satan and his angels. But right when the corrupt people attack the kingdom, they start feeling bad for themselves because now they know they should've followed God. Anyways the earth will then be renewed and be heaven-like and that's where we will mainly stay.

Oh and hell is NOT a place, but it is a time in place. It also doesn't last forever.
If you want to know more/proof read the book in the bible called Revelations.

Hell does not last forever? So does that mean that these biblical passages are wrong?

Since you mentioned Revelations, here is a quote from Revelations showing that hell does last forever:

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelations 14:10-11)

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9)

So unfortunately for you, the bible says multiple times that hell indeed is for eternity. You can interpret it as a metaphor if you wish, you can even interpret the suffering as a metaphor if you want. However, you cannot say for sure that hell is not forever.

But I'm curious now, according to you, Jesus will bring down hell fire, however, hell is not a place. So how does he manage to bring something from somewhere where that somewhere is not a physical place? I'm also not entirely understanding how the fire the first time doesn't kill Satan yet the second time it manages to. If Satan dwells in hell, which could be thought of as being with fire and such, wouldn't that kill him there or does Jesus do some magic and make the fire some sort of magical fire?

[pkid]

And on what basis should someone (an atheist like myself) believe ANY of these claims and assertions you have made? What kind of evidence if any can you give that could ever convince us of the mythology of the bible?

You can't cite the bible as a source of proof, or truth for that matter. If YOU read up on the actual history of the bible and its canonization by the early catholic church, you'd realize that MEN (bishops etc.) were responsible for putting the books of the bible together. And guess what? They almost didn't include the book of revelations, because they thought it was too crazy for anyone to take seriously!

First of all I was talking to Christians who do believe. And for atheists do you actually think that everything was "accidentally" made? That some type of force just happened to collide with one another and created a planet with life, with people with their knowledge and feelings, with animals, and all the things that go around the earth. Its just life a watch. All the things in the watch (batteries, the hands etc.) didn't just magically got put together, someone, (the watchmaker) had to make it.

And about the book of Revelation, the Bishops actually did have all the books of the Bible, but the Bishops were just so corrupt that they didn't tell people what really was in the Bible.

[pkid]

I think that no one REALLY goes to hell because God is supposed to love everyone...so...I think there is like one person in hell. The devil :P

It's true that God loves everyone and everything he has created. But God wants us to have a choice, the choice to go to heaven or not. Some people actually either directly or indirectly don't want to go to heaven.

In the same time, God is both JUST and MERCIFUL.

[Sage]

And for atheists do you actually think that everything was "accidentally" made?

No. Nobody things everything was just some colossal accident. That's not what atheists believe at all. Please come back to this forum when you've done some research into the other side's ideas.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

It's true that God loves everyone and everything he has created. But God wants us to have a choice, the choice to go to heaven or not. Some people actually either directly or indirectly don't want to go to heaven.

In the same time, God is both JUST and MERCIFUL.

God is both EVIL and SADISTIC. If, you mean the god of the bible, of course. What kind of CHOICE is heaven or hell? How can you have a choice when ONE of the options is eternal torture. Not much of a choice if you ask me. Any being that would condemn people infinitely for FINITE crimes is an evil asshole. Here's what I think about your "hell":

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[INFERNO]

And for atheists do you actually think that everything was "accidentally" made? That some type of force just happened to collide with one another and created a planet with life, with people with their knowledge and feelings, with animals, and all the things that go around the earth.


Thank you the wonderfully inaccurate, sweeping statements. Your argument would be much better off if you based it on something that was correct. Here is something that may help you a bit: the big bang theory, science, acknowledging that we (as scientists) don't know exactly what started the universe and Aristotle.

[punkjake]

That's funny. So all non-Christians (Atheists, Agnostics, Muslim, Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc.) are going to Hell, even if they're good people?

Only Christians don't go to hell? Damnit, I guess I'm screwed then, eh?

If I'm not wrong, don't some Christians claim that you go to Heaven if you live a good life. Regardless of whether you're a Christian, or not?

I don't beleve people who aren't christian's are going to hell,1.GOD LOVES EVERYONE!!!!2.He gave us free will3.I beleve there is a hell but no one is in it unless he/she trully are evil(murder,rape,assult),unless they fell sorry,and regret it

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I don't beleve people who aren't christian's are going to hell,1.GOD LOVES EVERYONE!!!!2.He gave us free will3.I beleve there is a hell but no one is in it unless he/she trully are evil(murder,rape,assult),unless they fell sorry,and regret it

Well, you're not at all going by what your bible says. "No one gets to the Father except through me" is what Jesus said. Faith, not good works. It's morally reprehensible, BUT it IS what your bible professes, and you're denying that. If we went by the god of the bible, he'd be mad at YOU for not speaking the "truth" that only salvation through jesus will get us into heaven. People who believe in Christianity just KNOW how horrible the idea of hell is, and can't deal with it. That's good; hell and the god that would send you there are horrible ideas, which people need to get rid of.

[marty]

punkjake...I don't think god could have possible given us free will. He has this Divine plan and he knows everything that's going to happen. If everything is already known in advance, how could free will, or, more simply, the ability to choose what will happen exist at all? =

[INFERNO]

I don't beleve people who aren't christian's are going to hell,1.GOD LOVES EVERYONE!!!!2.He gave us free will3.I beleve there is a hell but no one is in it unless he/she trully are evil(murder,rape,assult),unless they fell sorry,and regret it

You've successfully managed to butcher the bible to no end. As much as you may not believe it, the bible states non-believers are off to hell (unless they repent, convert, etc...). No one is in hell? Interesting, the bible said about 140,000 or so are only going to heaven and the rest presumably earth or hell. So what I find really funny is when god ordered and people obeyed and slaughtered others. I don't think all them would regret it nor felt sorry, so at least some may go to hell. But you say Christians don't go to hell... . I wonder, what do you think of the Sodom and Gomorrah story? They went off to hell did they not? Interesting... .

[boy.on.laptop]

To be honest I find it really hard to believe that Christians do not believe in Hell or the Devil, if the devil did not exist why would their be so much suffering on this earth?

In short, Yes I do believe hell exists and I am sure not going there

[rainbow2]

I believe in hell because if there is no hell, who invented all the bad stuff in this world? I think it's really stupid when people don't believe in hell, if you believe in heaven, why don't you believe in hell? Say in your life you have been a completely terrible person, where would you go when you die? You certainly wouldn't go to heaven. It's also true that if you commit suicide, you go straight to hell. No pergatory. Think about your life. Have you been a kind, generous, honest person?

[Camazotz]

To be honest I find it really hard to believe that Christians do not believe in Hell or the Devil, if the devil did not exist why would their be so much suffering on this earth?

In short, Yes I do believe hell exists and I am sure not going there

There is a lot of suffering on Earth, no doubt about that. Most of it is caused by man. People don't take the time to help people who really need it. They only think about themselves. The devil didn't bring evil on Earth, we did. As for having evil on Earth, it proves nothing about the existence of God or the devil.

I believe in hell because if there is no hell, who invented all the bad stuff in this world? I think it's really stupid when people don't believe in hell, if you believe in heaven, why don't you believe in hell? Say in your life you have been a completely terrible person, where would you go when you die? You certainly wouldn't go to heaven. It's also true that if you commit suicide, you go straight to hell. No pergatory. Think about your life. Have you been a kind, generous, honest person?

Like I've said to the other post, people "invented" evil. Although you should really define what "evil" is, because it varies from person to person.

According to Christianity, as long as you believe that Jesus is your savior, you go to Heaven. I do not accept Jesus as my savior or God as the almighty, which is why I deserve to "burn in Hell." I personally have been as king, generous, and certainly honest. But I still cannot go to Heaven because I do not believe in God (and Heaven or Hell don't exist).

[bluestarkidd]

Well your basing "hell" on what you know from the bible which is really a recollection of historical facts mixed in with false history and used for religious propaganda.

back In "Jesus' day", the churches had a larger influence over the people than the Government.

The church produced the 10 Commandments, beatitudes, and its lessons for many purposes, including stabilization of society.

In other words the Commandments were the law back then. one of the 10
Commandments states that you must believe in God. In "revelations", it
says that if you die believing in God, you will resurrect upon the "new"
earth, where there is peace and harmony. There is supposedly a new earth
because the first will have ended. The Revelation also proclaims that if
you die and do not believe in God, there is no hope for you and you will
be cast upon the lake of fire.

Does this not sound like this was written to motivate people to believe?

[Death]

What you have just quoted makes religion look bad. I've found that religion (namely, christianity) has a habit of making it look bloody barbaric and bigoted which is helped by its sheer aggresiveness towards other religions (including agnostism and athiesm) but yes, this does indeed sound like something to make people believe but it can just as easily make people decide to keep well away form such vindictive ideas.

[boy.on.laptop]

There is a lot of suffering on Earth, no doubt about that. Most of it is caused by man. People don't take the time to help people who really need it. They only think about themselves. The devil didn't bring evil on Earth, we did. As for having evil on Earth, it proves nothing about the existence of God or the devil.

Since you do not accept God or Jesus as your saviour I am assuming you do not believe them to exist and that is your reason behind the comment that the suffering on earth is mostly caused by man. I agree it mostlyu caused by man however not all of it, I belive people that commit terrible acts have often(but not always) been influenced by the devil eg. 9/11. And yes I know 'Chirstians' have committed terrible acts in the name of God however most of the time I also believe these people have been influenced by sinister forces eg. KKK. In fact I try to seperate my faith from my chrisitans on this planet eg. the 'christian' right in the US who I believe are heading in the wrong direction with their faith.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I agree it mostlyu caused by man however not all of it, I belive people that commit terrible acts have often(but not always) been influenced by the devil eg. 9/11.

The people who caused 9/11 don't believe in a devil kind of ironic. Plus the idea of the devil was sort of *Inserted Here* as it was created in the midievil days. But as for the responses to cama's post, they met my expectations for being religiously ignorant.