stupid first years

[DinoRAWR]

so im in third year and I know this girl who's in first year who considers her and her friends to be 'emo'. so she tells me about her friends sometimes and she said before that this girl started 'slitting' as they put it because her boyfriend of two weeks (who she hadnt kissed yet) broke up with her. that pissed me off.
a couple of weeks later, she tells me one girl started doing it because someone was gonna ask her out then decided not to. literally, boo hoo.
WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS??? I hate to say it but I can see where this whole classifying 'emos' as cutters thing comes from if this is how stupid people are. and they tell all their friends when they do it. do they know how hard it is for some peopel to hide it? people who might have real problems?

sorry, had to get this off of my chest and theres no one I could tell without having to explain about myself. I was extremely peed off.:mad::mad::mad:

[Miss Punk]

Now I feel a little stupid, because it only takes something trivial like that to set me off, even though I know how trivial it is. But I would never go and tell everyone about it, I would be mortified if anyone found out! Do they think it's cool or something? I'm finding it hard enough to get together the courage to tell one friend and only because I trust her and want to get help.

[DinoRAWR]

its fair enough if something little is a trigger, that makes perfect sense. but when its just some pathetic little girl trying to get attention, its annoying.
they think its hardore and are trying to make themselves look 'emo' (though I dont believe in all that)
you should do that, if your sure you can trust the friend. I did tell one friend I thought I trusted, she came into school the next day with a tiny scratch on her wrist and told everyone she'd been doing it for months. I dont know what her deal was but i'm sick of people using it to get attention. especially when I know what it really feels like.

[Miss Punk]

That friend saying she'd been doing it for months - what a stupid thing to do, I can imagine that would annoy anyone who knows what it's like. I still don't understand why anyone would want everyone to know.

That's what I'm afraid my friend will think if I tell her, that I'm doing it for attention, or that I'm making it up when I say it's been 4 years because that's longer than I've known her for and I've always managed to hide it because I only did it sometimes and it's only lately that it's become a habit. She doesn't know that I used to be depressed and suicidal which made me start in the first place, so if I told her, I'd have to bring up that as well, and I'd just look like I'm making up stories for attention. I wish I could tell someone cos it's taking over my life.

[DinoRAWR]

I can see why. I hate anyone knowing, a few members of my family found out but I think they just forgot it.
Well that girl I told goes on about it all the time, asking me about it and trying to make it look like she's doing it worse. I couldnt care less if she was, I just know shes lying since she wears short sleeve t shirts all the time.
I think, if you're sure you can trust her enough to tell her, she wont think that. She'll probably just want to he;p you and not judge you if she's any sort of friend.
I can see why some people take it as looking for attention the way some people act about it really.

[Miss Punk]

My sister saw my cuts two weeks ago by mistake because I was careless, I had thiis horrible sinking feeling in my stomach when she said 'What happened to your arm?!' I just said that I fell and that it wasn't as bad as it looked because it was healing. I think she's forgotten about it now.
I think I still need to think about telling my friend for a while, I'm undecided whether I want to go and do it.

[DinoRAWR]

yeah, my brother saw when we were messing about and told my mum when he was annoyed at me for using his laptop (nice right?). she tried to talk about it with me but I didnt want to and she hasnt mentioned it again. qhich I'm hapy with.
Yeah, you should definately make sure she's trustworthy cos it really is a big deal.

[Miss Punk]

Wow, lucky escape for both of us there. I've had a few of those. They always make me feel terrible.
I feel so bad, just now I just started cutting because I couldn't stop myself anymore and then my mum knocked on the door with some food and I had to hide my arm which was dripping with blood behind the door and say I didn't want anything, now I feel so guilty. :(

[Sapphire]

The people who do this because they are at a loss for how else to cope do not go around telling and showing their cuts off.

Hope you two are taking care of yourselves! :hug3:

[Beautiful Obsession]

i think your being abit selfish here. because it might take you alot to make you cut. but other people who have it in worse cases. well only takes something so "stupid" as you say to trigger off cutting.

[Sapphire]

i think your being abit selfish here. because it might take you alot to make you cut. but other people who have it in worse cases. well only takes something so "stupid" as you say to trigger off cutting.
They don't go and brag about it or otherwise drawing people's attention to the fact that they cut though. They don't act like it's something to be proud of. The attention seekers do.

[Shattered Soul]

hmm...there was an abundance of people who consider themselves 'Emos' at my old school, I had no problem with them as the few who did cut were using it to cope and there were quite a lot of emos who didn't cut. I spoke to one girl who actually admitted to me that she had starting cutting a week earlier coz she thought it was cool and wanted to be part of the emo group. I mean, seriously, you don't need to self harm to be an emo - it just so happens there are a few who do self harm. I asked her if she'd still feel the same way when it goes to far and ends up in hospital, she stopped after that.
And it kind of makes me feel bad that after telling her that, I started SHing, even though I do it for completely different, the typical reasons. (9 days without SHing:D)
xxCathyxx

[Beautiful Obsession]

yes i agree but some people are proud to be cutters and some people are ashamed. my best friend cut once and told people about it and didnt hide it, but she did it beccause she was depressed. (alot of things were goin on at home) but not all people decide to keep it to themselves. i understand where your comin from though, i just think people should be able to handle it however they want?
xx

[DinoRAWR]

i think your being abit selfish here. because it might take you alot to make you cut. but other people who have it in worse cases. well only takes something so "stupid" as you say to trigger off cutting.

it doesn't take me alot, very small things can trigger me. but it's not the fact that they were doing it. I would NEVER judge someone for that. but it's the fact that they tell ALL their friends and seem to only be doing it to look depressed and fit in with what they imagine is a culture. I dont think they realise that they could end up more badly injured than they intended to be or that someone could find out and refer them to some sort of counsilor when they might not really need it.

There will always be people who are considered 'emo' and cut, it's the people who do it because they are or want to look it that annoy me.

[Miss Punk]

I would never wish this on anyone, so why people go and cut themselves just to try and fit in with a group is beyond me. They obviously have insecurities of their own if they feel they need to do that to be accepted.

[Aηdy]

Now I feel a little stupid, because it only takes something trivial like that to set me off, even though I know how trivial it is. But I would never go and tell everyone about it, I would be mortified if anyone found out! Do they think it's cool or something? I'm finding it hard enough to get together the courage to tell one friend and only because I trust her and want to get help.

You shouldn't feel stupid about it as your reasons might be the same but the logic is totally different. People who do it for attention or because it's 'cool' are just stupid.

[DinoRAWR]

You shouldn't feel stupid about it as your reasons might be the same but the logic is totally different. People who do it for attention or because it's 'cool' are just stupid.

Yes! Thats what I'm saying. And especially since these girls have a friend who I think really was depressed when he was doing it and he ended up in a psychiatric ward. you'd think that'd be a deterrent.

[Beautiful Obsession]

Alright God. Sorry For Havin An Opinion Guys!!!

[Sapphire]

Alright God. Sorry For Havin An Opinion Guys!!!
That's over the top and unfair.
No one's attacked you for expressing your opinion. People have just explained where they are coming from.

[DinoRAWR]

Alright God. Sorry For Havin An Opinion Guys!!!


no, Im sorry, I didn't mean that. I was just trying to explain what I'm thinking and my view on that. I wasn't judging your opinion, it was a fair one.

[cool person]

Yeah, I completely agree with you guys. I think it really is a reflextion on the immiturity of those people that they cut just for attention.

I don't think it is a question of waht triggers someone, but I think it is the fact that they are bragging to their friends about it that make them "immiture" or what ever you want to call it.

Sorry if that wasn't very readable, I'm in a very wierd state right now...(what else is new)...

[Tankgirlpookie]

to be honest i find it disturbing when kids go around going look at me look at me look how hard and dark and twisty i am i cut myself! which actually makes me feel like when we who have real issues and suffer from this it makes it harder for me to talk about it to people as i feel thats what there going to compare me too some emo cutter looking for a bit of a hoo haa and attention! i suffer really from this i have real issues of a serious nature and i find alot of you guys do! from stresses of GCSE and worrys about family to abuse and violence in our lives! and my heart goes out to each one of you who suffers like i do! but to those looking for attention please stop it and find a better way to impress you emo friends!

[Beautiful Obsession]

sorry, i wont bother commentin next time..

[Miss Punk]

to be honest i find it disturbing when kids go around going look at me look at me look how hard and dark and twisty i am i cut myself! which actually makes me feel like when we who have real issues and suffer from this it makes it harder for me to talk about it to people as i feel thats what there going to compare me too some emo cutter looking for a bit of a hoo haa and attention! i suffer really from this i have real issues of a serious nature and i find alot of you guys do! from stresses of GCSE and worrys about family to abuse and violence in our lives! and my heart goes out to each one of you who suffers like i do! but to those looking for attention please stop it and find a better way to impress you emo friends!
I agree, I haven't told anyone I cut because one of my worst fears about telling someone is that they'll think I'm only doing it for attention, or making up pathetic stories for sympathy!

[DinoRAWR]

to be honest i find it disturbing when kids go around going look at me look at me look how hard and dark and twisty i am i cut myself! which actually makes me feel like when we who have real issues and suffer from this it makes it harder for me to talk about it to people as i feel thats what there going to compare me too some emo cutter looking for a bit of a hoo haa and attention! i suffer really from this i have real issues of a serious nature and i find alot of you guys do! from stresses of GCSE and worrys about family to abuse and violence in our lives! and my heart goes out to each one of you who suffers like i do! but to those looking for attention please stop it and find a better way to impress you emo friends!




I know exactly what you mean! Like, I know I could never tell any of my friends because they would just assume that I was trying to look emo or get attention for it. Even before I started doing it about a year ago, if I had a scratch from my cat or something, someone would make a comment about "chibbin herself to look emo".
I couldn't give two craps about this whole emo thing. I would NEVER put myself through something like what I am just now just to get attention or look cool. Eventually, if someone who wants to look like a right coolguy, starts doing this, it could become something thye cant stop and have a real problem with. None of them know what it REALLY feels like to have no other way out since they can talk about these things do openly with friends.
Maybe thats just my opinion, I dunno.

[cool person]

It seems, with the exception of Hollie, we are all pretty much in agreement here :)

[Sapphire]

sorry, i wont bother commentin next time..
Get over yourself.
No one has attacked you in any way for expressing your opinion.

[Tankgirlpookie]

sorry, i wont bother commentin next time..

Hi hollie my intention with the message wasnt to hurt you to bit*h or something but simply to put my view point across its good to have a diffrence in opinion and just because you might be in a minority of people who have the same opoinion doesnt mean that you shouldnt express it! if you stand by and believe what you say then i comend you for that its a fantastic thing!
but saying that i have an opinon too i wouldnt want to change yours under any situation unless on the basis of facts
dont be offened feel liberated that you out of all of us here said what they feel even though it was diffrent! ok sweetie!

As for emo cutting i have a old friend who was a liar at best made up alot of stories for sympathy and attention cutting was one of them she had only scratched herself i was deep into cutting when she told me and i was very tempted to scream at her because she would lie to me about things that i was actually going though and had been though it damaged me to have to comfort her when it was a lie!

[DinoRAWR]

As for emo cutting i have a old friend who was a liar at best made up alot of stories for sympathy and attention cutting was one of them she had only scratched herself i was deep into cutting when she told me and i was very tempted to scream at her because she would lie to me about things that i was actually going though and had been though it damaged me to have to comfort her when it was a lie!

thats the same as my friend. I had only really started and she kept teling me she was doing it, she even showed me her arms and said "see that????" I dont know if she really believed she'd hurt herself or whatever, there was nothing there. I really just want to scream at her that some people do have this problem and she shouldn't be unhappy that she obviously didnt.
I also have this other friend who's always saying stuff about emos and cutting like its some big joke. Its just annoying that people take the piss out of something I feel I have a problem with.

[Tankgirlpookie]

it makes me feel like it give us a bad rep but to be honest im defending something which is a negitive copeing machenism which is sillly!
but its harsh either way!

[DinoRAWR]

it makes me feel like it give us a bad rep but to be honest im defending something which is a negitive copeing machenism which is sillly!
but its harsh either way!


I know what you mean. But it makes it even harder to tell people because they just assume you're trying to look emo or hardcore to get attention or whatever. I know, I shouldnt defend it but I feel the need. These people who do it for all the wrong reasons have absolutely NO idea what it actually feels like.

[Beautiful Obsession]

Ok well tbh i wasn't meanin to offend anyone here. yea my first comment might hav bin abit pushy but i didnt fully understand wot he was saying.. but in my second comment i have cleary wrote my opinion n sed im not tryin to offend anyone, if u read it?

And as for Saphire.. Not bein funny but u get over urself.
you cleary didnt read to second comment i just no someone who didnt mind sharing the fact that they cut. it doesnt mean that they dont hav feelings.. it means there not ashamed of cuttiin..

so thanks..

[Sapphire]

And as for Saphire.. Not bein funny but u get over urself.
you cleary didnt read to second comment i just no someone who didnt mind sharing the fact that they cut. it doesnt mean that they dont hav feelings.. it means there not ashamed of cuttiin..
I did read your second post actually. I just didn't feel that it was my place to try to tell you that I think you're wrong. We all have opinions and we all have the right to those opinions.

If you care to look over what's been said, my comment about you getting over yourself was in response to your forth post.

It was the second one in a row that you had made which made out that we were all ganging up on you for expressing a different opinion to us. In reality, no one has criticised or attacked you for having a different opinion - all everyone has done is explain where they are coming from.

I explained that to you the first time and the second time I lost my patience (which was expressed by the "get over yourself" comment) and then reiterated the part about no one attacking you for expressing your view.

[DinoRAWR]

Ok well tbh i wasn't meanin to offend anyone here. yea my first comment might hav bin abit pushy but i didnt fully understand wot he was saying.. but in my second comment i have cleary wrote my opinion n sed im not tryin to offend anyone, if u read it?

And as for Saphire.. Not bein funny but u get over urself.
you cleary didnt read to second comment i just no someone who didnt mind sharing the fact that they cut. it doesnt mean that they dont hav feelings.. it means there not ashamed of cuttiin..

so thanks..

just so you know, its She :)
I dont think anyone was bothered by you expressing your opinions on the subject because it's clear where they came from and the way you felt about the subject was very fair. Its more the fact that, because not everyone agreed with your views, you decied we were trying to rule out your opinion, which isnt true.
I dont think it really matters though, this shouldn't be a place for conflict.

[cool person]

I Think it isabout time we stop this discusssion of a few remarks. Okay, so there was a minor difference of opinion...Lets drop it now..

As for people getting down oh hollie, lets just all try to remember that alot of us are here partly because we have self-esteem/worth issues. So lets stop getting down on Hollie for expressing some insecurities. After all isn't the whole Idea of this forum a palce where we can feel safe?

[Sapphire]

No one has said anything bad about her and her opinion. I have said that a whole load of times. All anyone has done is explain their opinions on the topic and she decided to make it as if we were critising her for speaking up.

[Beautiful Obsession]

no i havnt "decided" to make it as if u were all critizing me. it was just because after i put that first comment everyone started copyin it and leavin their opinions etc. so i wrote the second comment to explain what i meant because i know someone who didnt hide the fact she cut. but people carried on copyin my first comment which i already said that i got the wrong idea of what was being said..

so i would prefer it if you just dropped it Sapphire every one is entitled to there opinion?
and i dont think people have "critizid " me..?

ok hope thats the end of it because as dino rawr said this isnt a place for conflict. ?
:).X

[Sapphire]

"critizid"? My God, if ever there was a mutation of the English language...

[Project Delta]

GUys guys guys guys guys, stop with the drama please.
Sorry but you guys need to get back on topic

[Miss Punk]

"critizid"? My God, if ever there was a mutation of the English language...

She just said she hopes that's the end of it, why can't you leave it at that, we understand both of your points of view and all that happened was they clashed, now stop with the arguing because it doesn't help anyone. As Silkonia just said, this thread has gone waaay off topic!

[Beautiful Obsession]

ok wot is wrong wiv u? i try n call it quits n u just insult me agen? dus is relli matter how i spell it? critizid criticised.. does it relli make a differance?


tbh ur just perfetic n tryin to pic an argument.. so mite aswell just leave it there tbh..

[Sapphire]

ok wot is wrong wiv u? i try n call it quits n u just insult me agen? dus is relli matter how i spell it? critizid criticised.. does it relli make a differance?


tbh ur just perfetic n tryin to pic an argument.. so mite aswell just leave it there tbh..
If I'm the "perfetic" one then why is it that I'm the one that can spell and wasn't attention-whoring with posts like "My God, I won't give my opinion ever again!"??

[cool person]

ok wot is wrong wiv u? i try n call it quits n u just insult me agen? dus is relli matter how i spell it? critizid criticised.. does it relli make a differance?


tbh ur just perfetic n tryin to pic an argument.. so mite aswell just leave it there tbh..

-insert long string of swearing- :mad:

No one is attention Horing... Let us just get back on topic and stop arguing about a few remarks that were made?

But seriously Hollie, can you actually use English and not misspell EVERY word, it makes it really hard to read, and makes you seem unintelligent

[DinoRAWR]

-insert long string of swearing- :mad:

No one is attention Horing... Let us just get back on topic and stop arguing about a few remarks that were made?

But seriously Hollie, can you actually use English and not misspell EVERY word, it makes it really hard to read, and makes you seem unintelligent

I agree, it should just be left at that. People are just casuing fights for no aparent reason. Its pointless and pathetic. Just let it end there.

[Tankgirlpookie]

I dont know about any of you guys but to me this forum is a place of safty! so stop it because if we start bitching to each other to people who are really vunrable it might trigger someone and thats the last thing we need!

so first years cutting i can tell you i started when i was much younger 8 or 9 i think so! and the very first time i was so angry i smashed a cup against a wall and was sat on the floor crying and basicly took a piece and pressed in deep! i dont recommend ever doing it with pottery lol! and that my story of the first time i did it!
How about you do you remember the very first time!?

[cool person]

Yes! I completely agree. Let us please stop with this bickering

Don't mean to be rude, but there is another thread to discuss fortime cutting. You should post the story there, it will fit in better.

[DinoRAWR]

I dont know about any of you guys but to me this forum is a place of safty! so stop it because if we start bitching to each other to people who are really vunrable it might trigger someone and thats the last thing we need!

so first years cutting i can tell you i started when i was much younger 8 or 9 i think so! and the very first time i was so angry i smashed a cup against a wall and was sat on the floor crying and basicly took a piece and pressed in deep! i dont recommend ever doing it with pottery lol! and that my story of the first time i did it!
How about you do you remember the very first time!?

Thank you!
First time I remember actually cutting was when I was about 10. I was really pissed off and upset over something so I smashed an old lightbulb and used the sharp edge to cut my arm. I didnt really understand at the time I guess.

[Miss Punk]

Thank you!
First time I remember actually cutting was when I was about 10. I was really pissed off and upset over something so I smashed an old lightbulb and used the sharp edge to cut my arm. I didnt really understand at the time I guess. Don't see why we can't continue the subject here, the main topic of the thread has been killed off anyway! I remember the first time, I was 13 and was really upset and at the time I felt like killling myself because I'd been depressed for over year and then someone died and one night it all became very overwhelming and I wanted to hurt myself so I started doing it, I can't remember what with now. It's so long ago!

This is a bit of a random story, but today one of my friends saw some cuts on the back of my hand, because on Wednesday I was in an art lesson and I suddenly got the urge to cut so bad that I started scratching into it with a safety pin I had in my pocket and normally I would do it in a less obvious place but I was desperate. But anyway, she saw them and asked how I did it (she's not the only one) and I just said I'd caught my hand on something the other day, and she started making fun, making slashing actions and comments about how I must have caught it and decided to 'keep slashing', and obviously she had no idea so I just went along with it and laughed. And those were tiny little scratches on my hand! But I wasn't sure what to make of it.

[DinoRAWR]

Don't see why we can't continue the subject here, the main topic of the thread has been killed off anyway! I remember the first time, I was 13 and was really upset and at the time I felt like killling myself because I'd been depressed for over year and then someone died and one night it all became very overwhelming and I wanted to hurt myself so I started doing it, I can't remember what with now. It's so long ago!

This is a bit of a random story, but today one of my friends saw some cuts on the back of my hand, because on Wednesday I was in an art lesson and I suddenly got the urge to cut so bad that I started scratching into it with a safety pin I had in my pocket and normally I would do it in a less obvious place but I was desperate. But anyway, she saw them and asked how I did it (she's not the only one) and I just said I'd caught my hand on something the other day, and she started making fun, making slashing actions and comments about how I must have caught it and decided to 'keep slashing', and obviously she had no idea so I just went along with it and laughed. And those were tiny little scratches on my hand! But I wasn't sure what to make of it.

something similar happened to me. I had a a couple of cuts on the back of my wrist and my friend saw it, I told her it was my cat when she asked (my cat is vicious, mind you. its a believable story). and she was like "SURE, your CAT" and made the slashing gestures.
Now she always makes funny jokes about how my cat chibs my wrists.
Im just glad she doesnt know I actually do.

[cool person]

I think alot of people don't really get that cutting is a seriously problem for some people, they view it as a big joke. Something to laugh at.

[Miss Punk]

I think alot of people don't really get that cutting is a seriously problem for some people, they view it as a big joke. Something to laugh at.
Yeah, cos there are a lot of other problems out there that people simply wouldn't joke about like that, but for some reason the same rules don't seem to apply to cutting. I mean I didn't mind because I knew she wouldn't say it if she knew the truth and that it wasn't meant like that, but it did make me feel really uncomfortable.

[cool person]

Yeah, I don't think the public as a whole, let alone alot of health care proffessionals reall get it. There needs to be more public awareness and education on the subject

[Sapphire]

The issue isn't so much awareness here, I don't think. Self harm is covered through newspapers, the internet and television so people are aware of it. It is through the news and so called "emos" that people get incorrect impressions/information about self harm from.

Health care professionals are possibly the most aware out of the whole population. They have to treat people everyday who self injure and there is a huge wealth of knowledge on the subject at their disposal.

[cool person]

The issue isn't so much awareness here, I don't think. Self harm is covered through newspapers, the internet and television so people are aware of it. It is through the news and so called "emos" that people get incorrect impressions/information about self harm from.

Health care professionals are possibly the most aware out of the whole population. They have to treat people everyday who self injure and there is a huge wealth of knowledge on the subject at their disposal.

Sapphire:

I stand corrected. It isn't so much an issue of the media not portraying SH, but of it portraying it incorrectly...as something "emo" kids do etc.

While people in the mental health field, and some family Doctors etc are aware of the issue, the country's EDs are a different story. here is one study talking about ED nurses and their knowledge of SH http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118513970/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

Can I say something a minute...here is my view on other cutters...and non cutters...first of all I want to say that ANYTHING can trigger someone to cut...some things are worse for others....for me it's things that remind me of past experiences that trigger me...it's a whole number of reasons...it isn't just one...so when someone is triggered by something stupid...there's more to it...but I do understand that there are some people out there that are proud of being cutters...and that's just kind of how they live...that's their choice....and most often they are looking for attention...but just because someone is triggered by something that is stupid to you...doesn't mean that it seems stupid to them. As for my opinion about non cutters...I just think they can not really understand completely what it is like unless they have experienced it themselves..

[cool person]

Can I say something a minute...here is my view on other cutters...and non cutters...first of all I want to say that ANYTHING can trigger someone to cut...some things are worse for others....for me it's things that remind me of past experiences that trigger me...it's a whole number of reasons...it isn't just one...so when someone is triggered by something stupid...there's more to it...but I do understand that there are some people out there that are proud of being cutters...and that's just kind of how they live...that's their choice....and most often they are looking for attention...but just because someone is triggered by something that is stupid to you...doesn't mean that it seems stupid to them. As for my opinion about non cutters...I just think they can not really understand completely what it is like unless they have experienced it themselves..


O yeah, I agree completely. The size of the trigger is erelivent( I've cut for some of the stupidest reasons imagenable) . Just my believe is that alot of these people are basically cutting for attention, or to be cool or "emo". They then think of a trigger more or less as a afterthought.

[Sapphire]

While people in the mental health field, and some family Doctors etc are aware of the issue, the country's EDs are a different story. here is one study talking about ED nurses and their knowledge of SH http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118513970/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
That is true of a number of nurse's attitudes.
Tbh it is never at the forefront of my mind when talking about this because I have never personally experienced it. When I've had to go to hospital for these sorts of reasons everyone was compassionate and caring.

[cool person]

That's good that you've had good experience, hopfully you cotinue to. I've yet to actually have to go to the hospital for SH -knock on wood-. But I can tell you, in my verious emergency medical certificates I've gotten, I've yet to hear even a metion of SH, we spent an hour talking about panic attacks, and alot of time on suicidalp persons. But no SH.

[DinoRAWR]

To be honest, I dont think as many people would cut if there wasn't so much media attention towards it. I think people sometimes just think, "Im depressed today, ill just cut because thats what everyone does."
I think alot more people would find different methods of dealing with these kind of things if it wasn't so normalized. People think it's not unusual to cut so do it just for the sake of it. When really, it is a big deal.
thats maybe just my opinion

[cool person]

I think there needs to be a balance, between awarees of the issue and the media not putting it forward as a viable coping mechanism. The thing is, increased awareness makes people feel like they are less alone and makes getting help and talking to people easier.
However, I agree with DinoRAWR that there is a flip side. I'm sure that the recant increase in media attention has lead to more people cutting. I might not have thought about grabbing that pocket knife when I was upset if I hadn't known that cutting was something people did.

[DinoRAWR]

I think there needs to be a balance, between awarees of the issue and the media not putting it forward as a viable coping mechanism. The thing is, increased awareness makes people feel like they are less alone and makes getting help and talking to people easier.
However, I agree with DinoRAWR that there is a flip side. I'm sure that the recant increase in media attention has lead to more people cutting. I might not have thought about grabbing that pocket knife when I was upset if I hadn't known that cutting was something people did.

I agree. At the time I was like "dude I cant cope with this" and I knew that some people cut to make these kinda things go away, so I tried it and felt so much better.
I think incorrect media coverage needs to be eradicated. Saying that people have cut or committed suicide because they had joined some sort of new 'emo' gang and thought it was cool is wrong. No one should, in all seriousness, say that, EVER.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I didn't know cutting really was that popular. I know there are at least a few kids at my school that do it, but I didn't think it was that popular, or not where I am from anyways. I don't even hardly watch tv so the news would have no affect on me if they covered this subject. I get afraid if that stuff comes on though when were eating dinner or something....because I am afraid that my mom just may ask me about it one of these times.

[Miss Punk]

You might not think you know that many people who cut, but I always wonder whether maybe out of all those people there are others who are hiding it like me. I only know one other person who I know has done it. I have a friend, who I know either used to, or maybe she still does I don't know. But she's one of these people who will 'accidentally' wave her cuts in front of people's faces, and that's why I know.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

It's not too hard for me to figure out who else cuts...I know there is a handful of people at my school who do it...and they are usually the ones who are into drugs and stuff like that too...but I can tell based on some peoples situations why they have done it.

[Miss Punk]

I am one of these people who never gets told anything, so I have no idea of my friend's situation. I don't know why she does it.
Nobody knows my own situation either, I've been friends with my group for four years and there is so much they don't know about me, and things that have happened in the past, but those things still really affect me even though I've tried to forget about them as much as possible. There never seems to be a right moment to say 'Hey when I was 13 I tried to kill myself', you know, haha that would sound so made up. I don't think I seem like the type these things happen to because I am very good at disguising my feelings.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I told my friends that I was thinking about cutting...and they basically just laughed at me, they just don't see me as a person to do something like that especially after watching my boyfriend go through it but I was totally serious when I told them and they just don't care...they go Heidi that's bad...and I'm like I know it's bad...that's why I told you because I can't take it anymore...but what do they do, nothing! They just kind of shrug it off and pretend it never happened.

[Miss Punk]

I think they either took it lightly, or they don't understand what they can do to help you. It's hard to know how to help someone sometimes when you don't understand their problem, and if they don't even understand how bad this is for you maybe you should talk to them again, say hey guys this is serious and make them listen to you. I hope you can find someone you can talk to. x

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I have tried to tell them just how serious this is for me...and I have told them exactly what to do to help me...yet they ignore it...I think after saying things three times to them that I am really serious about this and that I need help they would get it but they don't. I'm starting to question whether I should even be friends with them or if their even the kind of friends I want in my life.

[Miss Punk]

Oh that must be frustrating... I would be thinking that as well. Do you have anyone else that you feel might be able to help you?

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I feel like things are really hard for me because my friends aren't supporting me right now at all. well I have one friend that continues to stand by myside despite her moving away. She will do anything she can to help me. She has even come back a few times just to see me and talk with me, because she knows I need a friend right now...She's the greatest. But she is basically the only one that has really been able to or can help me. I have talked with a few of my youth group leaders and they are helping out some and next tuesday I go to see this new councelor. It's just the lack of support from my friends that is making it hard for me to get through this.

[Miss Punk]

I see what you mean. Good luck with your new councelor on tuesday, maybe they will have some ideas, and your youth group leaders sound helpful. I will pray that your friends will be there for you. I know it's hard x

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I hope this new counselor helps...one of my teachers was actually so worried about me she emailed me the other day and she told me that she wants me try this new counselor, because she thinks that she will help me. So I am open to the idea because I know I need help. I just am not always sure how to get it.

[Miss Punk]

Then speaking to a councelor should help, because they will have experience with dealing with these sorts of things. I have never seen a councelor so I can't really comment on much.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

Well I am currently going to a councelor at school but he really does not have any experience with what I am going through and he's also a guy so obviously our brains do not work the same. The new councelor I am going to see is a girl, and I just think she'll be able to relate a little better and she might have some new ideas especially since she is an intern...from college... My teacher really would like to have me tell my parents what is going on however she knows that it just might not be possible for me to tell my parents so she thought I should start with the councelor first. I have not even told my parents that I am going to see this councelor...they don't even know I go to the other councelor that I was going to, this councelor goes to this thing after school called homework center on tuesdays and thursdays, and I have never gone to that either but with my grades lately I think I could use that too...So I am just telling my mom that I am going to homework center, that way I can meet the councelor and I can get my homework done in a good environment and maybe raise my grades a little bit. We'll see how things go.

[Miss Punk]

That sounds good, good luck with all of that xx

[Sapphire]

Coolperson, I believe that educational courses on SI have been devised already. Hopefully it will only be a matter of time before it is widely implemented or included in another course. It's not ideal, but it's moving in the right direction

To be honest, I dont think as many people would cut if there wasn't so much media attention towards it. I think people sometimes just think, "Im depressed today, ill just cut because thats what everyone does."
I think alot more people would find different methods of dealing with these kind of things if it wasn't so normalized. People think it's not unusual to cut so do it just for the sake of it. When really, it is a big deal.
thats maybe just my opinionI've seen the same happen with forums similar to this one. It almost turns into a game of who can cut the deepest/most often etc. It is difficult to know when something like forums and media coverage is generally beneficial or detrimental to the people exposed to it.

I agree. At the time I was like "dude I cant cope with this" and I knew that some people cut to make these kinda things go away, so I tried it and felt so much better.
I think incorrect media coverage needs to be eradicated. Saying that people have cut or committed suicide because they had joined some sort of new 'emo' gang and thought it was cool is wrong. No one should, in all seriousness, say that, EVER.If it is true that someone started cutting to be considered emo, which it is in some cases, then surely the media are completely within their rights to state as much.

I hadn't known that people hurt themselves when I started tbh. I mean, my best friend said "I do this and it gives me a real high. Why don't you try it?" while handing me a piece of wire to scratch myself with. That was the first time I had ever come across the phenomonon and it was the only one until I was cutting more than 4 times a day when a friend told me about a website on SI.
I guess we all need to be introduced to the idea from somewhere to get involved with it to begin with.

Staying_strong4him, I hope you find the new counsellor works out better for you.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I am going to need a good one after what happened tonight...my life was kind of turned upside down again.

[DinoRAWR]

Coolperson, I believe that educational courses on SI have been devised already. Hopefully it will only be a matter of time before it is widely implemented or included in another course. It's not ideal, but it's moving in the right direction

I've seen the same happen with forums similar to this one. It almost turns into a game of who can cut the deepest/most often etc. It is difficult to know when something like forums and media coverage is generally beneficial or detrimental to the people exposed to it.

If it is true that someone started cutting to be considered emo, which it is in some cases, then surely the media are completely within their rights to state as much.

I hadn't known that people hurt themselves when I started tbh. I mean, my best friend said "I do this and it gives me a real high. Why don't you try it?" while handing me a piece of wire to scratch myself with. That was the first time I had ever come across the phenomonon and it was the only one until I was cutting more than 4 times a day when a friend told me about a website on SI.
I guess we all need to be introduced to the idea from somewhere to get involved with it to begin with.

Staying_strong4him, I hope you find the new counsellor works out better for you.


I know how you mean. Like, you hear about sites and forums where people are posting pictures and competing to see how far they can go. I think thats really twisted.
I know what you mean about the emo thing. But its the fact that because of that people generalize it, only emos cut. If you cut you are emo.
And to be honest im far from 'emo' as Im sure half the people on here are.
Thats really peculiar that your friend told you to SH. Ive never heard of that before, people doing it together.

[STAYING_STRONG4HIM]

I've heard of people doing it together. I certainly do not believe that everyone that cuts is emo...

[Beautiful Obsession]

i can spell ty. i just prefer to use slang if thats ok.. im used to it now so i dont see the problem.
i give my opinion n now im the bad person?

basicly sapphire u got a problem with me pm me instead of doin it on the forum. ok??

[Sapphire]

I don't just mean pro-SI sites. I've been a member of a SI support community and some of the posts/threads seemed to be very pro-SI. The competition-like environment wasn't explicitly expressed, but I definitely felt it.

[cool person]

Hmm...that is unfortunate that a pace people go to for support turns into a compitition. I must admit that sometimes I've wondered if my cuts are deep enough etc to really count as cutting, but that is just my own wierdness, not something other have done...

I have looked for, but failed to find any pro-SH sites. I know it is a wierd request, but do you think you might be able to PM me some of the, or atleast info on how to find them? I have, atleast for the moment, stopped cutting...I would jsut like to see what those sites are like and understand the thinking going into them.

[Sapphire]

Sorry, I can't do that.
Not only is it against the rules here, but it also goes against my standpoint on this subject.

[cool person]

Sorry, I can't do that.
Not only is it against the rules here, but it also goes against my standpoint on this subject.

Fine :(

I guess I'll have to go find them myself.

[Tankgirlpookie]

Well here is nutrual ground if you dont want to stop you can express that but not giving tips and also reading people who want to stop is good for you so pro self harm sites wont be as good for you as this is!

[cool person]

Well here is nutrual ground if you dont want to stop you can express that but not giving tips and also reading people who want to stop is good for you so pro self harm sites wont be as good for you as this is!

Don't mean to be rude, but have you heard of puncuation?
I am not looking for tips on how to self harm, I just want to have a look at pro-cutting sites and just see what the reasoning the put forward is...

[DinoRAWR]

I know. I've never actually seen these sites, so I kinda wondered if they actually existed or if the media was takin websites like this and turning it into a pro SI website when really it isnt.
I'd quite like to check one out just to see.

[cool person]

I'll let you know if I can actually find one.

[DinoRAWR]

Thanks :) You too, though it seems like an impossible quest.

[cool person]

Yes, I did fine a full langth documentry on self harm...though no place to actually watch it. But so far no sites...Mabye they don't exist

[DinoRAWR]

yeah, I did find one site but it was just one page of reasons why people cut. it kinda sucked.

[Triceratops]

There many youtube videos of people who struggle with self-harm, and who encourage others to stop. That might help. :)

[cool person]

Yeah, I've seen alot of those, I'm just looking more for people encouraging others to cut, like some of the website you hear about on the news. I'm just really curious to see what rationale they use.

I sorta found one site, but it is NOT for anyone who doesn't mind VERY graphic images...like the mosth graphic I've seen

[DinoRAWR]

I'm guessing most pro SI ones will have really graphic images from people urging each other to keep going further and stuff.
I found one a while back with really graphic stuff and it made me sick so I'll keep looking.