Bullying.

[Reality]

Then what were those snickering smilies doing there. If he wasn't laughing then he shouldn't have put them there.
They were to make his point. He noticed the irony in it I guess.

":lol::lol: how often I heard this from other people, claiming that they're school and then their life is soooo horrible"

Get it?

[lamboman43]

The smilies were simply me finding not your situation of being bullied funny but rather the common thing that I, and you too probably hear all too often of "my life is sooo hard". That is what I was going after, not the fact that you are in therapy or were/are bullied.

Well if you knew all the stuff that happens that I haven't told you you would think my life is hard. I try to be happy all day. It all gets crushed by someone at school. I cant be happy no matter how hard I try. I dont have the same privaleges as some of you people get.

And thanks for clairifying what you meant. I get it now.

[Sapphire]

It wasn't an 'initiation' i was friends with most of the people involved beforehand, i just had to win them back.

If i hadn't treated them as friends? God knows
People like that aren't worth "winning back" and they obviously don't respect you so it isn't even a real friendship.

[antimonic]

I'm 15 so i know about 2ndary school bullying, one time my 'best friend' got 70% to royally bully me for about 6 months (I've become friends with 100% of the bullies afterwards though), so trust me, i know. But the way i handled it, was i treated the bullies as friends, belive it or not, it worked.

This is the story of your friendship? they treat your like shit, and you pick daisies up for them? how do you know they didnt give up and think "This kid seems to be good to me even though i make him feel like shit, whatthehell, ill go with that, means i dont have to do much"

You call that friendship? and THIS is you "bullying-bully" cycle? lol some friends you have. dont you think you should find friends that are genuinely..........friendly? and not bullies who have given up? lol


As i said though, you feel pretty crappy now, but wait until it's all over, you'll be better for it.
It's like the way muscle-building works, when you exercise, you tear the muscle, which probably hurts slightly/a lot, depending on how hard you're exercising, but when it's all over, the muscle is bigger and stronger.
However, you can exercise TOO much, bullying, like exercise and anything else, is good in moderation.

Because when building muscles you have to remember these key points:
1) begin with very heavy, then get some lighter and continue to reps.
2)continue till you feel the area burn and throb, its the build of lactic acid so dont worry.
3) remember to breath constantly
4) mentally break down your muscles, destroy their self esteem, self respect, and other social qualities.
5)dont forget physical abuse, it is key with building muscle, so spit in their faces abit and pound them abit, it builds DEFINITION.
6) repeat once muscles have healed. :D

It may or may not work for other people, i don't know and i don't claim to know.

REALLY!? lol your posts in this thread in the past would heavily disagree with you! :P


As far as becoming friends, i was friends with most of the bullies before, i just had to win them back.

Because they were so good to you during the "initiation", if only all our friends bully us constantly for 6 months before we start being chums!


Also, just to ask you INFERNO:
What's your overall opinion on this, because i've heard you arguing both sides

It matters why? everyones entitled to change their opinion. and back to something you also said in this thread, "why are you personally attacking him? do you have no rational argument?" (or something to that extent) :)

[left footed mofo]

Ok never laugh at my life EVER!!! What the hell is wrong with you?!?!?! That was soooo fucking rude! It is not funny to laugh at me getting bullied. DO NOT EVER LAUGH AT ME LIKE THAT AGAIN!!!!!!!! That just pissed me off. I want to put you in my shoes and see what happens. Just a reminder DO NOT LAUGH AT MY LIFE AGAIN!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Jeez, relax. This is just a debate

People like that aren't worth "winning back" and they obviously don't respect you so it isn't even a real friendship.

They actually do, we're real friends, we all laugh about the times when they hated me, we're completely over it.

Ah, so you were already friends? Well, then that changes your example where you were bullied then made friends and lived happily ever after.

I don't think i ever said that. Here's how it happened:

I was a somewhat popular person, not massively, but enough. One on the people who i was closest to turned 70% of the school against me (it was because of my MSN username, i put something there that he thought was sad). They bullied me for about six months, don't get me wrong, i hated it, but when it was all over, even the day it ended, we were down as we ever were, hanging out, laughing at stuff, chatting shit, you know.
Now if you saw us together it'd be like it never happened (Apart from the fact that i'm more careful about my MSN name :lol:)

[antimonic]

I don't think i ever said that. Here's how it happened:

I was a somewhat popular person, not massively, but enough. One on the people who i was closest to turned 70% of the school against me (it was because of my MSN username, i put something there that he thought was sad). They bullied me for about six months, don't get me wrong, i hated it, but when it was all over, even the day it ended, we were down as we ever were, hanging out, laughing at stuff, chatting shit, you know.
Now if you saw us together it'd be like it never happened (Apart from the fact that i'm more careful about my MSN name :lol:)

Probably heavily mistaking "bullying" for simply people taking the piss out of you :yummy:

[Reality]

I don't think i ever said that. Here's how it happened:

I was a somewhat popular person, not massively, but enough. One on the people who i was closest to turned 70% of the school against me (it was because of my MSN username, i put something there that he thought was sad). They bullied me for about six months, don't get me wrong, i hated it, but when it was all over, even the day it ended, we were down as we ever were, hanging out, laughing at stuff, chatting shit, you know.
Now if you saw us together it'd be like it never happened (Apart from the fact that i'm more careful about my MSN name :lol:)
You still hated it, but forgave it. I wouldn't call them real friends for that sort of shit, but just my opinion. Unless they were truly sorry, I wouldn't even trust people like that. I've had many bullies try to be my "friend" and I've simply told them to get lost in the traffic. Why? Because I can't trust people like that.

But the problem is anyway, this doesn't support your stance on pro-bullying. Very, very few bullying situations are actually like this.

You say you were "popular". Most bullied kids were never popular, and had never been friends with the people beforehand, and they definitely never become best buddies after they learned to bullying in the ass every day of their lives. The scenario is usually much more ugly, 8/10 times.

[Sapphire]

They actually do, we're real friends, we all laugh about the times when they hated me, we're completely over it.Bullies do not respect their victims. If they did then they wouldn't bully them in the first place. It is as simple as that.

Probably heavily mistaking "bullying" for simply people taking the piss out of you :yummy:
I am very inclined to agree with you here

[Death]

I don't even know why people bully. If people get some sort of corrupt pleasure out of it, they should really consider themselves and see who they're becoming and for goodness sake, get a real life! "That which kills you can only make you stronger." Absoultely not true. Bullying is never good and I'm suprised that some schools still condone it; they're corrupt.

[Reality]

I don't even know why people bully. If people get some sort of corrupt pleasure out of it, they should really consider themselves and see who they're becoming and for goodness sake, get a real life! "That which kills you can only make you stronger." Absoultely not true. Bullying is never good and I'm suprised that some schools still condone it; they're corrupt.
No school actually condones it. You just get some schools that don't do anything/enough to stop it.

[left footed mofo]

Probably heavily mistaking "bullying" for simply people taking the piss out of you :yummy:

Well, i'm not... Unless being kegged, being rugby tackled and bundled, being MSN warred and having my kidneys tenderized by their feet is just having the piss taked out of me. If it is, my mistake.

":yummy:" Is not a convincing argument.

You still hated it, but forgave it. I wouldn't call them real friends for that sort of shit, but just my opinion. Unless they were truly sorry, I wouldn't even trust people like that. I've had many bullies try to be my "friend" and I've simply told them to get lost in the traffic. Why? Because I can't trust people like that.

They never said sorry, they had nothing to be sorry for, i was a better, stronger person for what they did.
I didn't 'trust' all of them (probably about four in the end), then again, i don't trust my own mother, or many people.

But the problem is anyway, this doesn't support your stance on pro-bullying. Very, very few bullying situations are actually like this.

Not many situations are like this because most people aren't pro-bullying, i am, so have no problem with the bullies once it's all said and done.
The same way some of my targets became friends with me afterwards.

You say you were "popular". Most bullied kids were never popular, and had never been friends with the people beforehand, and they definitely never become best buddies after they learned to bullying in the ass every day of their lives. The scenario is usually much more ugly, 8/10 times.

What's wrong with me becoming friends with the bullies afterwards?

Bullies do not respect their victims. If they did then they wouldn't bully them in the first place. It is as simple as that.

I never mentioned respect.
But i DO sometimes respect my targets after the fact based on how they handled it.

[Reality]

Well, i'm not... Unless being kegged, being rugby tackled and bundled, being MSN warred and having my kidneys tenderized by their feet is just having the piss taked out of me. If it is, my mistake.

":yummy:" Is not a convincing argument.

They never said sorry, they had nothing to be sorry for, i was a better, stronger person for what they did.
I didn't 'trust' all of them (probably about four in the end), then again, i don't trust my own mother, or many people.
Sorry. Getting beaten up, and harassed doesn't make you stronger. If what you're saying is true, then that far crosses the line of your so-called "Bullying in Moderation".

Not many situations are like this because most people aren't pro-bullying, i am, so have no problem with the bullies once it's all said and done.
The same way some of my targets became friends with me afterwards.
They're not targets, they're victims. Honestly, I doubt all or even most of the people you bullied just became friends with you.

What's wrong with me becoming friends with the bullies afterwards?
Nothing, but being bullied as a way (an initiation) into their little circle is heaps wrong, in my opinion.

Anyone that's bullied me in the past, I'm willing to forgive. But I'm not interested in becoming friends with people because they bullied me. You'll call me judgemental or something for this, but to me, they're the scum of the earth. I'm glad a bunch of those idiots are leaving my school in a few weeks time. And they're in no way strong, nor did they make anyone I know strong, they're leaving with no GCSE's and will probably end up being dole-dossers.

I never mentioned respect.
But i DO sometimes respect my targets after the fact based on how they handled it.
Here's a better suggestion; leave them alone. What you think makes people stronger obviously differs from what a lot of other people think.

If it were you bullying me in real-life, I could actually care less for your respect. I suppose the same goes to most people who gets bullied.

[Sapphire]

This is where respect was brought up.People like that aren't worth "winning back" and they obviously don't respect you so it isn't even a real friendship.

You argued that they do respect you with this quote.They actually do, we're real friends, we all laugh about the times when they hated me, we're completely over it.

But you are overlooking the fact that a friendship is built on mutual trust and respect.
They victimised you and by doing so showed their lack of respect for you. You can't have a proper friendship with them when they don't respect you like that.

[antimonic]

"As an ex-bully i would have shoved someone's face into a wall in the first place. I usually did verbal/psychological, when i DID do physical, it was little stuff like poking them or bumping into them in the hall"

So, you got the living daylights kicked out of you on a regular basis, where also abused mentally on a regular basis.

Now, not only are you now FRIENDS with the assailants, you bullied others - without the physical part of course - in a hope to "better" them?

I call huge hairy bollocks to this lol Either that or you are hugely glamourising your story.

You became friends with people who used to stomp your sides, tackled, bundled and keg you?! lol i dont know how you think you benefited from all this is, but you must be one lonlely left footed mofo if the only friends you made were your BULLIES lol :P


Here's a better suggestion; leave them alone. What you think makes people stronger obviously differs from what a lot of other people think.

I like this suggestion, something tells me it would really work! i dont know why but NOT bullying them seems to sound better than BULLY them :yummy:


If it were you bullying me in real-life, I could actually care less for your respect. I suppose the same goes to most people who gets bullied.

If it were him bullying ME in real life, thinking it would be for my own good, he wouldnt have any teeth left :yes:

:D <--- these would be gone lol

[INFERNO]

I don't think i ever said that.

i was friends with most of the bullies before

No, you did say that you were friends with them before, which changes it from one person who never liked someone else bullying them to one friend getting angry/annoyed and being won back by the other friend.


I was a somewhat popular person, not massively, but enough. One on the people who i was closest to turned 70% of the school against me (it was because of my MSN username, i put something there that he thought was sad). They bullied me for about six months, don't get me wrong, i hated it, but when it was all over, even the day it ended, we were down as we ever were, hanging out, laughing at stuff, chatting shit, you know.
Now if you saw us together it'd be like it never happened (Apart from the fact that i'm more careful about my MSN name :lol:)

This story I don't believe. First, something in your MSN name made him sad, not angry but sad, so in him being sad, over half of the entire school gets angry at you for half a year. I find it hard to believe that all of this would occur over a simple MSN name. Second, you calling yourself a popular person suggests that you like attention and seeing as how you said you claimed to not have enough attention, it implies that you crave attention. So, either this story is exaggerated or you did something in order to get attention, it back-fired and the some people in the school got all angry at you and bullied you over it. Of course, this now reflects back to me because if you love attention, which tends to be associated with conjuring up stories or exaggerating them in some way, how do I know that your little story here is indeed true? I don't. I have to rely on your word, which for everyone in general, if there is no evidence supporting their story, then I wonder how much I can believe. When I have a reason to suspect them giving a false story, I'm even more inclined to be more suspicious and disbelieve it.

":yummy:" Is not a convincing argument.

The smilie is irrelevant, and antimonic provided text-based arguments. Why you are going after the irrelevant, silly smilies is beyond me. Of course, you then become hypocritical when you attack his use of smilies yet you then use an irrelevant, silly smilie of ":lol:" in your story.

From a previous point that you made, you mentioned bullying in moderation. I'm curious, define this moderation. According to you, you were:

kegged, being rugby tackled and bundled, being MSN warred and having my kidneys tenderized by their feet

To me, this is not in moderation. So, what is your definition of bullying in moderation. Either we have two conflicting views on this or a contradiction is about to happen. That, and your little story isn't exactly the best of evidence, as shown above.

The same way some of my targets became friends with me afterwards.

Were you friends with your targets prior to bullying them? Why did they become friends with you? I find it hard to believe that someone who was physically and emotionally bullied not only becomes friends with their bully, but goes on to bully others and becomes friends with them also. Hell, everyone who gets bullied with you somehow in the mix turns out to be friends, friends all-around :lol: . I hope you can see why I'm not really buying it.

I never mentioned respect.
But i DO sometimes respect my targets after the fact based on how they handled it.

Bold shows the contradiction.

Bullying is never good and I'm suprised that some schools still condone it; they're corrupt.

Which schools condone it? As far as I know, schools are against bullying, many, if not all, have policies against bullying, so I'm surprised that if a school declares that they support bullying, that their policies haven't been questioned by a) the parents, b) the police, c) the ministry/board of education, etc... .

[left footed mofo]

Sorry. Getting beaten up, and harassed doesn't make you stronger. If what you're saying is true, then that far crosses the line of your so-called "Bullying in Moderation".

That IS moderation.

[QUOTE=Semp;512177]They're not targets, they're victims. Honestly, I doubt all or even most of the people you bullied just became friends with you.

Targets, victims, who cares?

Nothing, but being bullied as a way (an initiation) into their little circle is heaps wrong, in my opinion.

It wasn't an initiaton.

Anyone that's bullied me in the past, I'm willing to forgive. But I'm not interested in becoming friends with people because they bullied me. You'll call me judgemental or something for this, but to me, they're the scum of the earth. I'm glad a bunch of those idiots are leaving my school in a few weeks time. And they're in no way strong, nor did they make anyone I know strong, they're leaving with no GCSE's and will probably end up being dole-dossers.

So maybe you were bullied by a bunch of losers, SOME of my bullies have a future ahead of them.

Here's a better suggestion; leave them alone. What you think makes people stronger obviously differs from what a lot of other people think.

Clearly

If it were you bullying me in real-life, I could actually care less for your respect. I suppose the same goes to most people who gets bullied.

I think it should matter to people if ANYONE respects them, no matter who they are.

"As an ex-bully i would have shoved someone's face into a wall in the first place. I usually did verbal/psychological, when i DID do physical, it was little stuff like poking them or bumping into them in the hall"

I said that AGES ago, have you only just noticed it?

So, you got the living daylights kicked out of you on a regular basis, where also abused mentally on a regular basis.

Yes, and better for it.

Now, not only are you now FRIENDS with the assailants, you bullied others - without the physical part of course - in a hope to "better" them?

I was a bully before all this, this didn't change that aspect of me.

You became friends with people who used to stomp your sides, tackled, bundled and keg you?! lol i dont know how you think you benefited from all this is, but you must be one lonlely left footed mofo if the only friends you made were your BULLIES lol

They're not my ONLY friends, and was that a stab at me being left footed?

If it were him bullying ME in real life, thinking it would be for my own good, he wouldnt have any teeth left :yes:

Being an e-hardman? how cute. :)

This story I don't believe. First, something in your MSN name made him sad, not angry but sad, so in him being sad, over half of the entire school gets angry at you for half a year.

Sorry, i must have phrased that wrong, he thought the name was sad, he didn't get sad.
Also, he got the other people on his side because he was the apex of society at my school, they mostly didn't even know about my MSN name

I find it hard to believe that all of this would occur over a simple MSN name.

Belive it

Second, you calling yourself a popular person suggests that you like attention and seeing as how you said you claimed to not have enough attention, it implies that you crave attention.
So, either this story is exaggerated or you did something in order to get attention, it back-fired and the some people in the school got all angry at you and bullied you over it. Of course, this now reflects back to me because if you love attention, which tends to be associated with conjuring up stories or exaggerating them in some way, how do I know that your little story here is indeed true? I don't. I have to rely on your word, which for everyone in general, if there is no evidence supporting their story, then I wonder how much I can believe. When I have a reason to suspect them giving a false story, I'm even more inclined to be more suspicious and disbelieve it.

What?
I'm sorry, but that didn't make a stupid amount of sense to me.

To me, this is not in moderation. So, what is your definition of bullying in moderation. Either we have two conflicting views on this or a contradiction is about to happen. That, and your little story isn't exactly the best of evidence, as shown above.

It goes beyond moderation when serious weapons start being used, blackmailing starts, the bullies bully not just the person but people close to them, hate sites start ETC.
None of that happened to me.

Were you friends with your targets prior to bullying them?

Only once.

Why did they become friends with you?

Various, one time, i told them that i was going to stop bullying them, and like poof, they were acting all friendly with me.
In the case of the person i was friends with beforehand, and a few others, the bullying gradually became friendly, next thing you know, we were friends, don't ask me why/how it happened, i really don't know.

I find it hard to believe that someone who was physically and emotionally bullied not only becomes friends with their bully, but goes on to bully others and becomes friends with them also. Hell, everyone who gets bullied with you somehow in the mix turns out to be friends, friends all-around :lol: . I hope you can see why I'm not really buying it.

I get why you're not buying it, i can't prove it, but it DID happen.
I'm not saying it ALWAYS happens, but it does sometimes.
Let me put it this way, if Bush got elected twice (well, once really but you get it) anything can happen.

[Sapphire]

Left footed mofo, you clearly have twisted views and are spouting shite.

[Reality]

That IS moderation.
Being beat up is Moderation? As you may have described getting your kidney-area kicked in.. which can fucking kill you, is MODERATION bullying?

Targets, victims, who cares?
I obviously do.

It wasn't an initiaton.
The way you described making friends with those bullies after being bullied and handling it sounds like an initiation-type thing to me.

So maybe you were bullied by a bunch of losers, SOME of my bullies have a future ahead of them.
And the rest of your bullies don't?
A good majority of bullies are plain and simple losers, which is my point. But you're telling us these people are strong, and making others strong? I object.

I think it should matter to people if ANYONE respects them, no matter who they are.
I already have enough real mates and respect from them, and other people like my family, teachers, etc. I don't care for someone who gets kicks out of pissing me off. I don't care for their respect.


Yes, and better for it.
If you say so. Most would love to disagree with you, though.

I was a bully before all this, this didn't change that aspect of me.
Are you making this up as you go along? I swear you said in the beginning of the topic your bullies made you a stronger person, so you wanted to bully others or whatever to make them stronger themselves.

Sorry, i must have phrased that wrong, he thought the name was sad, he didn't get sad.
Also, he got the other people on his side because he was the apex of society at my school, they mostly didn't even know about my MSN name
You seriously sound like you're making it up as you go a long.

What?
I'm sorry, but that didn't make a stupid amount of sense to me.
I guess you didn't comprehend it.



It goes beyond moderation when serious weapons start being used, blackmailing starts, the bullies bully not just the person but people close to them, hate sites start ETC.
None of that happened to me.
LOL.
So getting "kegged, being rugby tackled and bundled, being MSN warred and having your kidneys tenderized by their feet" isn't that bad? Especially that last part.

You clearly have such a high bar for your so-called "moderated bullying". Some of it is even irrelevant. Bullies don't bully people close to them, duh. >_>

Oh, except for you. But then again.. you just basically contradicted yourself. What you described as out of moderation, you experienced yourself. You were close to your bullies, so I guess you were unjustly bullied then? :yes:

Various, one time, i told them that i was going to stop bullying them, and like poof, they were acting all friendly with me.
Ever figured that was because they didn't want to be bullied, Mr. Genius?

In the case of the person i was friends with beforehand, and a few others, the bullying gradually became friendly, next thing you know, we were friends, don't ask me why/how it happened, i really don't know.
Bullying and friendly is an oxymoron. Plus, you could be friendly in general, and you'd be friends. >_> The bullying has no positives here. There's another fallacy to your point.

I get why you're not buying it, i can't prove it, but it DID happen.
I'm not saying it ALWAYS happens, but it does sometimes.
Not enough times to condone bullying, in my opinion.

[antimonic]

"Being an e-hardman? how cute."

Is that a positive to being bullied? you realised your true sexuality? :P

To be honest, i would go on, but Saphire has said what i was about to, and semp seems to be doing a good job of bringing to light near to all your contradictions.

You must love all this attention though right? almost as good as when your bullies feared you :D Seriously you really are pathetic, trying to condone bullying others and just making yourself look like a real twat in the process - not just by saying the wrong things then contradicting them, but being very selective with what you reply to, suggesting you either dont know or are truly full of shit? im gonna go with both :D

How are your idneys btw? still bruised from all that metaphoric tenderising? :yummy:

[left footed mofo]

Left footed mofo, you clearly have twisted views and are spouting shite.

That's not called for.

Being beat up is Moderation? As you may have described getting your kidney-area kicked in.. which can fucking kill you, is MODERATION bullying?

I already highlighted what i consider moderate.

I obviously do.

Ok, fair point.
What is your opposition to me calling them targets?

The way you described making friends with those bullies after being bullied and handling it sounds like an initiation-type thing to me.

It didn't seem like it from where i was.

And the rest of your bullies don't?
A good majority of bullies are plain and simple losers, which is my point. But you're telling us these people are strong, and making others strong? I object.

I really don't know, i can't tell the future, but i'd say that about 45% of people i've even been bullied by (overall, not just this one time) probably have no future.

I already have enough real mates and respect from them, and other people like my family, teachers, etc. I don't care for someone who gets kicks out of pissing me off. I don't care for their respect.

Well, i care about everyone's respect, it's just the way i am.

If you say so. Most would love to disagree with you, though.

Then they'd be wrong, because i am.

Are you making this up as you go along? I swear you said in the beginning of the topic your bullies made you a stronger person, so you wanted to bully others or whatever to make them stronger themselves.

Yes, but the time i'm talking about wasn't the first time i was bullied

You seriously sound like you're making it up as you go a long.

I was just clarifying what i said for INFERNO, am i not allowed to do that now?

I guess you didn't comprehend it.

Yes... That's what i said.

So getting "kegged, being rugby tackled and bundled, being MSN warred and having your kidneys tenderized by their feet" isn't that bad? Especially that last part.

I've heard about worse

You clearly have such a high bar for your so-called "moderated bullying". Some of it is even irrelevant. Bullies don't bully people close to them, duh. >_>

Sorry, must have phrased that wrong. I meant that they bully people close to the target to get to them.

Ever figured that was because they didn't want to be bullied, Mr. Genius?

Possibly, but i'm sure not everyone would react like that.

Bullying and friendly is an oxymoron. Plus, you could be friendly in general, and you'd be friends. >_> The bullying has no positives here. There's another fallacy to your point.

Ok, i think this is another time where i phrased something badly.
It stopped being bullying and became just messing around.

Not enough times to condone bullying, in my opinion.

I'm not using me being friends with them as part of my for argument.

[BeautifulSilence]

***Just reminding everyone to be nice when debating***

Thanks.

[Silent]

Bullying causes people to lose self esteem and confidence in themselves. It can lead to problems like depression and self harm. It can leave the victim with physical injuries which require medical attention.
None of these benefit the individual or society.

To imply that if the individual were stronger, had a thicker skin or didn't pay any attention to the bullies then they wouldn't be bullied or negatively affected by it is a round-about way of blaming the victim for the situation. It isn't their fault that someone has chosen to systematically bully them. The bully is the one at fault, not the victim.

100% Agree

[The Batman]

If you can't debate constructively this isn't the place for you. :locked: by request of OP