God

[Glasgow]

Lately I have been thinking about all this god and jesus stuff.
I personally don't think that these people exist. No offence against the deeply religious people on this forum, but this is my theory. I think that the bible is a fictional fairy-tale that was made up to entertain the people.
Let me know your thoughts on this.

[Kiros]

You can think what you want, as everyone does.

Though as said before, God exists, and Jesus is our savior. Simple as that. :)

[WelshLad]

What makes you say that? I'm not religious. I believe in God but I don't like him. (I'm not a Satanist though)

[TheWizard]

God hates me.

[Kiros]

God hates no one, though if you don't love God as a first, then might not have a great relationship with him. All it takes is a little love and a little faith :)

[ThePhantom]

well this topic is sure to get at least 14 pages

and a little faith

Sure I am sure you are a true believer of Christianity, but what of the Hindus and the Islams? I am sure there are people, and many more on that, who will say the same thing. Why then, is Christianity allowed to make such comments.
Personally, i think that all religions ahve good morals (except an illicit few) but I do not practicy any, as EVERY religion will say that if you do not believe in that god you will not go on into your next life/heaven ect ect .....soo .. which one is the right one? Seeing how the dominating religion on VT is christianity, we will see the ''Christian is the right way to go!'' yelled at.

I think society has been brainwashed by their parents and not given the ability to have their own views. They may have the ability, logically, but when being pressured by parents, it is just simply impossible.


Now if you think of what I have to say .... I think when you die you just die. We are muli-billion celled organisms who have the ability to think on account of so many cells. We die we just die it ends.

And t hat is my story ;)

[redcar]

i believe in God, i bleieve in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. i'm Catholic and i am firm in my beleifs.

[kolte]

ok, these are my views. my father 'was' a jew, and my mother is a mormon(sadly) my father converted to babtist(sadly) in 2000/2001. In my life I've been exposed to many religions....I have been....and I've read many passages and study many different bibles and texts. And In my opionion. There is a god, jesus is a profet not a messiah. The bible has its falseities, the old testiment, is riddled with immoral laws, such as its stance on slavery etc etc. The new testiment, though I do not believe the story, I think what jesus said rings very true. I think if we just looked at what he tought instead of trying to find out who he was we wouldnt have such fighting. He tought good things, love and be loved, thats how to live for god. be happy, thats how you make god happy, just be good. Its not law's and technicalities anymore, its just love...and be loved...and if you do that, then thers no reason to lie, theres no reason to murder, theres no reason to covet....not if you love. I'm gay, I'm apparently damned by god. But I don't think so. I really don't. because I am a loving person. The bible wasnt written by jesus, and it wasnt written by the great phrophts. moses yes. but you know what. take out all the stories of the bible, and just left what it tought, and you have a very good lesson. LOVE AND BE LOVED. danke' you have been a good crowed.

[WelshLad]

i thought if you were a jew, you can't convert. That's what we were taught in religion at school. Hey can someone tell also please tell me why Jews must wait 7 hours before eating dairy after eating meat, and vice versa?

[kolte]

jew's can convert if they want to. anybody can convert. I did. When I turned 13 years old, I told my family that I would no longer participate in the jewish religion. my dad had allready lost his mind and we didnt live with him, so I heard no objections from my mormon mother or confused brothers. and I have searched for my own path, not had sombody tell me were to walk.

[Glasgow]

I have a new theory now. Now i think that these people did exist a long time ago, but have now gone. Just like St.Nick. But their spirit still lives in the people, and in St.Nick(santa) lives in the kids

[Underage_Thinker]

K my parnts pressure me constantly to be a big cristan and all. But my veiw is that their is a higher power. What or who that is i do not know right know. I mean the bibal is great and all, but think about it u dont need to take it so litarly. Take the story of adam and eve. It treaches you thaat there are consequinces for ur actions. I think that people should respect each others religon and just live good moral lives. :D

[ThePhantom]

one day at the church we went to we had a lesson on the storys in the bible. We read storys from the bible, and translated them into morals and teachings rather then taking the whole story literally. for example : noah and the arch. Totally fake in everybodys opinion at our church ( most likely not EVERYBODY) but it has the morals within it to teach.

Meh dont ask me more of my church >.<

[Kiros]

well this topic is sure to get at least 14 pages

and a little faith

Sure I am sure you are a true believer of Christianity, but what of the Hindus and the Islams? I am sure there are people, and many more on that, who will say the same thing. Why then, is Christianity allowed to make such comments.
Personally, i think that all religions ahve good morals (except an illicit few) but I do not practicy any, as EVERY religion will say that if you do not believe in that god you will not go on into your next life/heaven ect ect .....soo .. which one is the right one? Seeing how the dominating religion on VT is christianity, we will see the ''Christian is the right way to go!'' yelled at.

I think society has been brainwashed by their parents and not given the ability to have their own views. They may have the ability, logically, but when being pressured by parents, it is just simply impossible.


Now if you think of what I have to say .... I think when you die you just die. We are muli-billion celled organisms who have the ability to think on account of so many cells. We die we just die it ends.

And t hat is my story ;)

Why is Christianity allowed to make such comments??? Because it's the truth. You, as an individual, have been given a life, along with free will. I'm sure that you were just a random egg that got the seed from your father, right? That 00.01% pointed to you out of chance? So in effect, you were just a random egg, no more, no less? I'm suuure that's it -_- Though hey, you can think that if you want. If you don't show love to The Lord and have faith in him and him alone, then you will not be guaranteed heaven - simple as that. Though, God has given you free will, trusted you with that, so it's your deal if you want to believe cows are holy.

For some reason, a lot of people on this site claim they're not religious. Maybe it's because they are going with the crowd, and hope not to look different, or maybe it's because they don't want to bring up religion in a forum, as a lot of people can be against or for a different religion. Whatever the case, it's up to them to do what they think is right - God has made it so his presence could not be proven, so therefore, it is up to faith.

[Trademarked]

i know it's been a day since last post and all but u really need to put this out there.

if there is a god, why are so many people in pain, dying, suffering, being tortured because they dont believe in the same thing? because they broke a rule that's in the bible? becauss it's not in gods way?
i dont know much about other religions, but if god created this world, made us all, has power over all of us, then why are so many things going wrong?
If he, she, it made us, then why arent we all christians? or jews? or muslims?
if he is all powerful, then why is all this happening?
my theory, there is no god, no higher power, we are our own higher power, only your self has the choice of what you want to do.

[Glasgow]

i know it's been a day since last post and all but u really need to put this out there.

if there is a god, why are so many people in pain, dying, suffering, being tortured because they dont believe in the same thing? because they broke a rule that's in the bible? becauss it's not in gods way?
i dont know much about other religions, but if god created this world, made us all, has power over all of us, then why are so many things going wrong?
If he, she, it made us, then why arent we all christians? or jews? or muslims?
if he is all powerful, then why is all this happening?
my theory, there is no god, no higher power, we are our own higher power, only your self has the choice of what you want to do.

Now thats a good theory man.

[ThePhantom]

That 00.01% pointed to you out of chance?

Sorry kiros but it would be about the .000000000001 chance that happens every million years or so. But my point is this: Why are so many people so close minded in the fact that we are the only living organisms ever to be known? I mean CMON havent you ever seen stargate? What will happen when we reach alien contact? Mass christianity suicide?

[Cap'nCrunch]

Well, God and Jesus should be capitalized, so you must not have been thinking TOO hard about them. I think you're right on the Bible part: a portion of it is bullshit. The Book of Revelation is one example. You can't take anything literally in that book. You have to decide what you believe in. No-one can tell you what you believe or what is "true."

[Kiros]

That 00.01% pointed to you out of chance?

Sorry kiros but it would be about the .000000000001 chance that happens every million years or so. But my point is this: Why are so many people so close minded in the fact that we are the only living organisms ever to be known? I mean CMON havent you ever seen stargate? What will happen when we reach alien contact? Mass christianity suicide?

You do realize that 00.01% is equal to .0001, right? Yes, I completely agree. Too many people are close minded and cannot believe in what they don't see. :)

[TheWizard]

Nothing FAILS as often as prayer.

[redcar]

Nothing FAILS as often as prayer.

i disagree, i often find comfort in prayer.

[Kiros]

God helps those who help themselves.

And if you don't have faith in the Lord, then your prayers are really not prayers at all... :|

Find Christianity and you'll be on your way to a better life :)

[BeautyFromPain]

my grandpa was a methodist minister and he said once "Athiest. Is there a such? I don't think so because to say you don't believe in something means there's something there you dont believe in. If you say 'I don't believe in god.' what was that you just mentioned? You at least believe there's a thought of god."

he died in 2004..i miss him so much. thats my favorite of his sayings. he could come up with the craziest sayings..and yet they still made sense.

[Pink-Floyd]

You can think what you want, as everyone does.

Though as said before, God exists, and Jesus is our savior. Simple as that. :)

Well I Only Read the 1st Thing and this one, lol believe what u want, but u cant just say "God Exist", WHen I Heard that..., Heres What I think

Universe is Just a Thing, I Believe that The Big Bang Happened, And Adam and Eve wont the 1st people, I reckon the Apes(Forgot what they were called but i know its starts with M) Evolved into Humans, And thats all, No Offence if this is A Complete Opposite to what u think

[kolte]

religon doesnt allow change.
change is good.
therefor organized relgion is bad.
to hav3e faith is one thing.
but to make up a moral code and laws.
thats making a government out of religion.
and I think that they don't mix. government and religion that is.
people kill for religon.
they die for religion.
the only good thing about religon is that...well, there is nothing good about it.
to have ideas is wonderful.
but Ideas for YOU. not for other people.
the bible is not a good book.
it tells you to cut your eyes out if you look at women lustfully.
it tells you to chop your hands off if you masterbate to women.
it tells you to drive a nail threw your slaves year.
talks about the proper way to treat your slaves, and whores.
it teaches closemindedness.
it teaches you to let others think for you.

I say, think for yourself, question athourity, live life by what you think. not was sombody else thinks. explore the world of religions and philosophys, and come to your own conclusion. weather god exists or not, is your own idea, nobody can tell you what you believe in. you need to be open minded to the world, don't just settle on one thing that you hear, let the world fill your mind, look at western religons and eastern religions alike. live, learn, love, experience.

[Underage_Thinker]

Amen to that :!: . Good to meet open-minded people

[Kiros]

Like I said, think what you want, though let me remind you, not but 500 years ago, man thought there was no such thing as decomposition, nor even that smell might attract insects rather than producing them... I mean, most people actually thought that a dead animal would MAKE flies. Can you believe that? Also, let me leave you with this. 10 years ago, you knew that magic was real, 10 months ago, you knew Nick and Matt would leave VT after the new year, 10 hours ago, you knew that baboons couldn't tell the difference between English and French, and 10 seconds ago, you knew that religion was taught people to have close minds...
Imagine what you'll know in another decade... :|

[Underage_Thinker]

I am not saying that religon makes people closed minded. It is just alot of people who are die hard religus (i know thats not the correct term) are Usely closed minded.

[Dfsg]

To go back to Josh's point for a second... "Nothing fails as often as prayer"

Well, that is completely untrue.

Prayer works 100% of the time. That's right, God answers 100% of all prayers. Sometimes the answer is just "no".

[kolte]

well, I thinik there must be a god. I'm a very spirtiual person. but I don't believe in organized relgion, I don't think anyone should. All the horrid things said. its like:

ONLY OUR CHURCH IS RIGHT YOUR CHURCH IS WRONG
why are you fightinging, please stop with the madness
BUT ONLY THE WAY WE WORSHIP GOD IS RIGHT
i think god speaks to us each on an individual level, so each and every religion is right for spicific people.
BUT JESUS WHAT ABOUT JESUS YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND GOD MY GOD YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
go away. I don't believe in anythink. I have an idea. I saw a poll that said americans were the happiest people on the planet. I almost spewed a glass of ginger ale all over the computer screen. AMERICANS HAPPY. lets recap, fat, spoiled, bitchy, lazy, religous feens happy. My god this cant be ture. and its not, we arent. Hell this site is comprimised of 3000 + depressed bitchy teens. we don't seem very happy. but I'll give ya the upper had. So does that mean that the rest of the world is like, reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyyyyy unhappy. I don't know about that one. lets recap on this one! what about....Bhutan, a mountian country in the himilayas. Comprmised of 2000000 people. I would say there the happiest. happy unexposed buddhist, frolicking in the vallys, enjoying a simple life.
BUT BUDDHISM DOESNT ALLOW CHANGE NEITHER
don't make me slap you, look at Japan, its a highly buddhist naiton, and its on the peak of tech. so boooya.
If everyone becomes buddhist, there will be no more reason for hate. war...greed. So yeah, think about what you say when you say it.

Do you belive in God?????? or
Do you want to believe in God??????

think about that for a while
really think about it
and get back to me.

[Kiros]

No churches or religious people really say "This church is the right one and all others are wrong." Same thing about religion. I'm Catholic, and my faith is that of 100% Christian, so I'm open to all Christians and their beliefs - Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, etc. In fact, I usually go to a different church every couple of weeks.

Anyway, bringing up the original topic (I think), God exists, and it's really not enough to just believe in him - I'm afraid that alone will not get you to Heaven. The devil, himself even believes in God, he actually knows him. You have to have faith in the Lord, love the Lord, and accept the Lord in to all of your life. Pray to him, he will listen - in fact, he already knows what you'll pray about.

Anyway, the choice is yours...

[serial-thrilla]

You can think what you want, as everyone does.

Though as said before, God exists, and Jesus is our savior. Simple as that. :)

Well I Only Read the 1st Thing and this one, lol believe what u want, but u cant just say "God Exist", WHen I Heard that..., Heres What I think

Universe is Just a Thing, I Believe that The Big Bang Happened, And Adam and Eve wont the 1st people, I reckon the Apes(Forgot what they were called but i know its starts with M) Evolved into Humans, And thats all, No Offence if this is A Complete Opposite to what u think ... my god you cant be serious? you actually believe in the big bang theory? that is possibly the most farfetched idea that ive ever heard. aparently the universe is expanding. so at some point in time billions of years ago the whole universe which some people think is never ending. (i dont) was all packed tightly into a tiny little ball. and out of the blue just blew up creating the universe. i think that is the most ridiculas theory ever.

[Underage_Thinker]

Hey makes more sence than. Some superbeing just poofing everything together. And if the big bang is so ridiculus why are the people who support it some of the smartest people in the world. I mean at least they have actule scientific backing for it. Whitch is more than i can say for creationism.

[Kiros]

Now who's close-minded? And actually no, the Big Bang theory is backed by scientists, but it's not backed by the smartest people in the world. My school's biology and forensics teacher was a science professor and guess what he believes in. In fact, he actually leads a Christian group at my school because he wants to open people's minds to God instead of throughing theories at them.

[redcar]

the only thing i see wrong with the big bang theory, it says that the universe is expanding all the time, but what is it expanding into?

[serial-thrilla]

Hey makes more sence than. Some superbeing just poofing everything together. And if the big bang is so ridiculus why are the people who support it some of the smartest people in the world. I mean at least they have actule scientific backing for it. Whitch is more than i can say for creationism. .... care to name these "smartest people" in the world who believe in the big bang theory? well chances are they arent very smart if they believe in it. anyway noone knows what created the universe but ill bet my life there was no big bang.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

this all ties into a question in christianity, do you beleive science and scientific evidence is the pinical of human understanding? to this i say no, because there are things that science say are hormones and chemical reactions in our bodies and minds, but there is definitaly something supernatural about things such as love. the feeling of having someone who'd die for you any moment and who wants to spend the rest of their life with you can in no way be completely described by scientific evidence

[Underage_Thinker]

care to name these "smartest people" in the world who believe in the big bang theory? well chances are they arent very smart if they believe in it. anyway noone knows what created the universe but ill bet my life there was no big bang.


The theory is based on the mathematical equations, known as the field equations, of the general theory of relativity set forth in 1915 by Albert Einstein.

I don't know about you but Albert Einstein is pretty "smart"


American astronomer Edwin Hubble provided some of the greatest supporting evidence for the theory with his 1929 discovery that the light of distant galaxies was universally shifted toward the red end of the spectrum.

Also i would consider Edwin Hubble also is pretty "smart"

I would go on but i think you get the point that yes "smart" people did come up with the big bang theroy.

Also can you tell me the name s of the people that came up with the idea of your attem and eve. B/c more likly than not those people lived 2000 years ago befor modern science

[kolte]

this all ties into a question in christianity, do you beleive science and scientific evidence is the pinical of human understanding? to this i say no, because there are things that science say are hormones and chemical reactions in our bodies and minds, but there is definitaly something supernatural about things such as love. the feeling of having someone who'd die for you any moment and who wants to spend the rest of their life with you can in no way be completely described by scientific evidence

we know what part of the brain love come from. and when i say we, I mean humans. we know were love and hate etc come from. we know what hormons produce feelings of happiness and sadness. we know most of that allready. but thats not why i don't believe in god. look at the bible, god is soooooooooooo involved in there lives, sooooooooo involved, showing up all the time, and preforming stunts and feats. but since Jesus, god hasnt shown his face........since jesus there has been nothing from him. What he just left. NO! hes not real, people made him up and we cant see or talk to him because hes not there.

[BillyWitchDoctor.com]

im at a loss of words right now and i agree with what you're trying to say, its just i cant see it that way, its just im not really really strictly religious, but i have been going to church and such all my life and it has led me to think about things the way i do now, so i just cant see myself honestly thinking about it the way you do

[Dfsg]

Any saved Christian knows he's there. You can feel Jesus in your heart, and every fiber of your being, even down to the blood flowing in your veins. It's just something you can't describe in it's fullness to a non-believer. It's really cool when you first know you know Jesus. That point for me was just three years ago, even though I've been a Christian all my life.

Many even hear him, and miracles occur every day when prayers are answered or missionaries accomplish their cause. In no way is Jesus gone, the Holy Ghost is still around doing amazing things.

[kolte]

I was christian for a short while, I grew up with my Jewish dad and Mormon mother, each fighting over which religion we should follow. Of course my dad won most of the arguments, but I never truly believed in either religion, my mom became a non denominational christian in the late 90s, and thats when my mom left my dad and we moved, I started going to a non denom. christian church, went for a few years, too the youth group with my friends, there were times when I really did believe what was being said, but I was so....hurt, that the kids at the church, were just...hypocrites, and the members, all of them, they were tainted, I went to quite a few different churches, and every single one of them, I could just feel the falsity. I never agreed with worshiping Jesus, when I pointed out to the youth leader that Jesus himself said not to worship him, when I did a small sermon explaining that jesus came to teach the law of God and that I felt we were drawing away from worshiping God, that Jesus wasnt to be worshiped. They told me that I was wrong, so i told them that there bible contridicted the old testiment, but why listen to either, for both said things that just didnt work in todays age. they asked me not to return, I didnt want to. I tried following the word of God, spoken threw jesus, the prophit, who himself never claimed to be the messiah. SO why we say he is is beyond me. He himself said not to worship him, so why we do is beyond me. he said not to judge, but we still do, he said to love others, but theres a seperation, a hate of groups, gays, races, sexes, democrates, republicans. A suttle hate, that grows, because of our intolerence. Jesus tought tolerence, and we twisted his words. One day, about two years ago. In december, I was lying on my bed, and I just thought, I don't believe in Jesus, Hes not the messiah. I had been reading the bilbe, obsessing over it, I have studyed the book to the bone, and many other books, from many other religions. For about a year, thats all I did, I came home and just obsessed over religions. Just read and watched and learned. And then, december a year ago I came to the conclusion, that if god was real, i wouldnt have to worry, because I do not judge people, I try to be tolerent, and accepting, and I try to love others. I do not think Jesus was the messiah, because I don't think there ever will be one. i think Jesus was one of the last Prophits, and god spoke threw him, and I think Jesus tought great things, that we as man have twisted into rules when we should just look at them stright forward. I think that If we looked at what jesus thought weather then Who he was, we could avoid these deadly conflicts.

[TheWizard]

God hates me.

[redcar]

God doesnt hate you, God loves everyone.

[2inchesandstillpullin]

God hates me.

i doubt it. i dont belive that god exists

although you might have it bad in terms of one thing (ie, being a Schizo or something, and prehaps a lot more)

but if you look at in terms of 'life karma' i belive that most people have a pretty balanced life, if not, spirit.

You personally may think you're hated by 'god', but if everyone else but god LIKES, no, loves you, then i think that's better.

I certainly have respect for you, as do most.

[SkaSkankDownParty]

I'm agnostic. I'm into a lot of scientific stuff. If Adam and Eve were the first people then what happened to man kind during the time of the dinosaurs? Were they just walking around there like on the Flinstones? I don't think that the bible makes any sense. All the gospels contradict each other in many ways. How are we suppose to know who is right? It just doesn't add up. There may be an answer *i.e. God* to some people, but where is the equation? I use to be methodist and I tried but it never made sense so I found something that did. Science and evidence that they have actually found. There is no proof of any God whatsoever. Although there may not be proof that there is no God at all I'm leaning towards science at the moment.

[Melchi0r]

I'm not very religous, but I do believe in God and that He sent His son to save us. I altar serve, and I'm a Roman Catholic.