Legalization of Recreational Marijuana Use

[norefillsx]

Anyone want to see it legal? And why or why not

[theOperaGhost]

It's illegal for a reason. No, I don't want to see it legalized. There would be positives to it being illegal, but the negatives outweigh the positives there.

[AllThatIsLeft]

i think it should be legal. Personally i'm not a user or fan of it. But i see so many people doing it,a nd all the underground markets of it. It is still out there, and honestly the government would be able to control it better, and gain money from it.

[Oblivion]

It's illegal for a reason. No, I don't want to see it legalized. There would be positives to it being illegal, but the negatives outweigh the positives there.

Agreed.

Although tobacco products are supposedly worse, and they aren't illegal...

[Zephyr]

I view weed the same way I view alcohol.
In moderation with responsible use, I think it's okay.

[shadow_moses]

Too legalize marijuana would just turn to tobacco with the way they basically decreased potency, lowering thc levels, and turning into moneymakers adding one more addictive with every new brand. Legalizing it would also put something more cancerous on the market in the statistic 1 joint=5 cigarettes. Although it may save money in police funds it would increase cancer related deaths, and minimart potato chip sales.

[The Batman]

Marijuana is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a cigarette. They have more tar, cancerous substances, and they impair your judgment. So my vote should be obvious by now.

[Commander Thor]

Marijuana is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a cigarette. They have more tar, cancerous substances, and they impair your judgment. So my vote should be obvious by now.

I'm curious as to where you've gotten this information.
Everything I've seen has shown that it can contain up to 66% LESS tar than tobacco, and so far to date, NO reported cancer cases can be directly or indirectly linked to the compsumption of marijuana.
Also, if you're afriaid of the tiny bit of tar, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked to be enjoyed. It can be baked into various food items, brewed into a form of tea. Ect.

[shadow_moses]

Marijuana is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a cigarette. They have more tar, cancerous substances, and they impair your judgment. So my vote should be obvious by now.

marijuana itself doesn't have more tar, but if it is in a "joint" or "blunt" it can be up to 5 times as cancerous than 1 cigarette. Impaired judgement isn't necesarily a cause of smoking marijuana but it has been proven in alcohol.

[The Batman]

A simple search on google can tell you the dangers of it. Also my science teacher mentions it atleast once a week they are required to learn about drugs.
What are the short-term dangers of smoking marijuana?

Impaired memory and inability to learn
Difficulties in thinking and problem solving
Distorted Perception
Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
Increased susceptibility to infections
Burning and stinging of mouth and throat
Impairment in driving skills
Increases the heart rate in normal people and worsens heart rate in with heart disease or high blood pressure.
What are the long-term dangers of smoking marijuana?

Studies shows that the potential chemical –THC, present in marijuana adversely affect human brain and mental health.
Regular use of marijuana shows the same respiratory problems as cigarette smoking. Persistent coughing, symptoms of bronchitis and more frequent chest colds are possible symptoms.
Studies shows that long-term use of marijuana suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system both in men and women.
Highly increases the risk of heart attack in regular users.
Smoking marijuana on regular basis increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck.
It has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because of the various carcinogens present in it.
It may badly affect the immune system’s ability to fight disease.
Chronic marijuana use causes high levels of depression, anxiety.
Adversely affects the power of memory and learning.
Taken from http://smoking.ygoy.com/dangers-of-smoking-marijuana/

Health Effects

Marijuana abuse is associated with many detrimental health effects. These effects can include respiratory illnesses, problems with learning and memory, increased heart rate, and impaired coordination. A number of studies have also shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Long-term marijuana abuse can lead to addiction. Studies conducted on both people and animals suggest marijuana abuse can cause physical dependence. Withdrawal symptoms may include irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving. 11

Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke. Marijuana has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke.12

Marijuana's damage to short-term memory seems to occur because THC alters the way in which information is processed by the hippocampus, a brain area responsible for memory formation. In one study, researchers compared marijuana smoking and nonsmoking 12th-graders' scores on standardized tests of verbal and mathematical skills. Although all of the students had scored equally well in 4th grade, those who were heavy marijuana smokers, i.e., those who used marijuana seven or more times per week, scored significantly lower in 12th grade than nonsmokers. Another study of 129 college students found that among heavy users of marijuana critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired, even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours.13

Of an estimated 113 million emergency department (ED) visits in the U.S. during 2006, the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) estimates that 1,742,887 were drug-related. DAWN data indicate that marijuana was involved in 290,563 ED visits.14
Taken from http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html

[norefillsx]

I view weed the same way I view alcohol.
In moderation with responsible use, I think it's okay.

I agree, alcohol is actually proven to be very healthy in low amounts, and I'm sure mary jane is too

@ Euphoria, I have not seen one person or heard of one person get Lung Cancer, or any cancer for that matter from Marijuana. The other psychological effects it has are received from excessive use, like smoking a eigth a day or something lol. And besides, it helps with my crazy

@Shadow_moses, a joint is a piece of paper, TAR is from NICOTINE, IN CIGARETTES! lol and blunts do give a little tar cuz of whats left in the wrapper, but not even close to 1 ciggarete

[The Batman]

It doesn't say cancer it says infection.

[theOperaGhost]

Does marijuana affect the human reproductive system?
Some research studies suggest that the use of marijuana during pregnancy may result in premature babies and in low birth weights. Studies of men and women may have a temporary loss of fertility. These findings suggest that marijuana may be especially harmful during adolescence, a period of rapid physical and sexual development.

How does marijuana affect the heart?
Marijuana use increases the heart rate as much as 50 percent, depending on the amount of THC. It can cause chest pain in people who have a poor blood supply to the heart - and it produces these effects more rapidly than tobacco smoke does.

How does marijuana affect the lungs?
Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer. In addition, many marijuana users also smoke cigarettes; the combined effects of smoking these two substances creates an increased health risk.

Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

Taken from here. (http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm)

[Φρανκομβριτ]

legalize it as we have alcohol. Tax the shit out of it to stimulate the economy.

[Mzor203]

If it's legalized and sold in a manner similar to cigarettes, it will probably lose the one advantage it has over cigarettes: the fact that it is not physically addicting.

Cigs are addicting as they are for a reason. The makers of cigarettes want you to get addicted. They want you to keep coming back for more, and marijuana would soon go down the path cigs did. If it became legal, tons of people would want to get in on the profits, and it would start being sold left, right, and center. Then its price would eventually even out to around those as cigarettes since there would be a much larger supply, and everything would just go downhill from there. Eventually it wouldn't be that great of an economy stimulator anyway.

And if it was legal, waaay more people would be exposed to it, and try it, and once the addictive additives found their way into the weed, waaaaay more poeple would have addiction problems.

So no, it should not be legalized. It will jut be one big mess that leads nowehere.

[Commander Thor]

.....
And if it was legal, waaay more people would be exposed to it, and try it, and once the addictive additives found their way into the weed, waaaaay more poeple would have addiction problems.

So no, it should not be legalized. It will jut be one big mess that leads nowehere.

Eh?
The thing is, with tobacco, the addictive properties are ALREADY IN THE PLANT! Who says that addictive properties HAVE to be added into pot? Hmm? This is like saying chocolate sales are going down. Oh shit! Hershey better start adding something addictive to get everyone hooked! People consume marijuana, like they do chocolate, because it's good, and it makes them feel good. Marijuana will NEVER need to be made addictive, humans natural instinct to feel good will keep marijuana sales up, not the addictivness of it.

[The Batman]

You really think that if they legalize marijuana they won't add stuff to it so they can make more money from it and keep people coming back for more?

[theOperaGhost]

Eh?
The thing is, with tobacco, the addictive properties are ALREADY IN THE PLANT! Who says that addictive properties HAVE to be added into pot? Hmm? This is like saying chocolate sales are going down. Oh shit! Hershey better start adding something addictive to get everyone hooked! People consume marijuana, like they do chocolate, because it's good, and it makes them feel good. Marijuana will NEVER need to be made addictive, humans natural instinct to feel good will keep marijuana sales up, not the addictivness of it.

I believe nicotine (the additive chemical in cigarettes) is an additive and NOT naturally found in the plant (don't quote me on it...it's late and I don't want to do the research at the moment).

I agree with Rex. But you bring up an interesting point, xboxseriesofnumbersidon'twanttolookbacktocopy. You say the feeling marijuana gives you will keep marijuana sales up. Do you realize that that is an ADDICTION?? It might not be an addictive chemical in the marijuana itself, but it is a chemical addiction in your body and brain.

[Commander Thor]

I believe nicotine (the additive chemical in cigarettes) is an additive and NOT naturally found in the plant (don't quote me on it...it's late and I don't want to do the research at the moment).
Nicotine is formed in the roots of the tobacco plant, and collects in the leaves, acting as an insecticide(SP?) for the plant.
Nicotine, however, is NOT on the list of FDA approved additives for cigarettes: http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm
So even if the tobacco industry WANTED to make a more addictive cigar/cigarette, they'd have to find another chemical besides nicotine.

I agree with Rex. But you bring up an interesting point, xboxseriesofnumbersidon'twanttolookbacktocopy. You say the feeling marijuana gives you will keep marijuana sales up. Do you realize that that is an ADDICTION?? It might not be an addictive chemical in the marijuana itself, but it is a chemical addiction in your body and brain.

True, but you don't see us making sky-diving illegal for the people who are addicted to adrenaline(SP?), so why should a substance that gets people addicted to endorphins be illegal? Hell, lets make candy illegal, that releases endorphins also!

[The Batman]

That second part makes no sense. Marijuana can not be compared to adrenalin junkies or people addicted to sweets especially when talking about whats legal or illegal.

[Commander Thor]

That second part makes no sense. Marijuana can not be compared to adrenalin junkies or people addicted to sweets

Yes it can be compared.
When you consume marijuana, endorphins get released into your blood stream, making you feel good, thus making you want more.
When you consume sweets, endorphins get released into your blood stream, making you feel good, thus making you want more.
When you send your body into flight or fight mode, adrenlalin gets released into your blood stream, making you feel good and on top of the world, thus making you want more.

No part of marijuana is addictive, not a single part of it's chemical makeup is addictive. The extra endorphins pumping through your veins making you feel good (The 'high') is addictive, but the actual plant itself, not at all.
Marijuana is no more addictive, and no more harmful (If oraly consumed) than a chocolate bar.

especially when talking about whats legal or illegal.
Are you kidding me? We're talking about legalizing it, and my points are invalid because it's currently illegal?

[The Batman]

Anything that makes you high is more dangerous than a chocolate bar. I know people who have done stupid things while they were high.

[Commander Thor]

Anything that makes you high is more dangerous than a chocolate bar. I know people who have done stupid things while they were high.
When high (Or buzzed), you still have total control with NO loss of judgement. You DO want to do some crazy/stupid shit, but you can still stop yourself if you know it's gonna be dangerous. (Between 1 & 10 hits is considered to be within the 'buzzed'/'high' phase, or 1-2 joints)
When you're stoned is when you start to have impaired judgement, and start doing deadly/dangerous stuff.

So going back to the chocolate bar - endorphine analogy, it'd take like 50 chocolate bars worth of endorphins for you to start doing deadly/dangerous stuff, if you're not dead already.
3+ joints to start doing deadly/dangerous stuff.

[The Batman]

You just proved my point.

[iceyfresh]

NO drugs are alread fucking up the world lets NOT make it legal!

[norefillsx]

It doesn't say cancer it says infection.

Lol still, lung infection from pot? never heard of it lol..none of my friends have gotten anything bad from smokin pot except the munchies lol..which i dont thniks bad, but idk...

[theOperaGhost]

Lol still, lung infection from pot? never heard of it lol..none of my friends have gotten anything bad from smokin pot except the munchies lol..which i dont thniks bad, but idk...

You do realize that health effects are after long term use, right?

The bad health effects cigarettes have comes from prolonged use. I've smoked a couple of packs and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to have horrible effects from it.

But if you smoke pot over the years, just like inhaling any other kind of smoke, health problems WILL develop. Do you know any firemen?

[AllThatIsLeft]

I'm curious as to where you've gotten this information.
Everything I've seen has shown that it can contain up to 66% LESS tar than tobacco, and so far to date, NO reported cancer cases can be directly or indirectly linked to the compsumption of marijuana.
Also, if you're afriaid of the tiny bit of tar, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked to be enjoyed. It can be baked into various food items, brewed into a form of tea. Ect.
i agree with this point, marijuana has no reported concer cases.
we had a drug assembly and they compared marijuana to smoking. and though it impairs your judgement, it is less dangeroud health wise than smoking.
If it's legalized and sold in a manner similar to cigarettes, it will probably lose the one advantage it has over cigarettes: the fact that it is not physically addicting.

Cigs are addicting as they are for a reason. The makers of cigarettes want you to get addicted. They want you to keep coming back for more, and marijuana would soon go down the path cigs did. If it became legal, tons of people would want to get in on the profits, and it would start being sold left, right, and center. Then its price would eventually even out to around those as cigarettes since there would be a much larger supply, and everything would just go downhill from there. Eventually it wouldn't be that great of an economy stimulator anyway.

And if it was legal, waaay more people would be exposed to it, and try it, and once the addictive additives found their way into the weed, waaaaay more poeple would have addiction problems.

So no, it should not be legalized. It will jut be one big mess that leads nowehere.

Weed is NOT addictive. Unlike cigarretes there is nothing addictive in the plant. One can choose to quit at any time and there would be no whiplash.

If weed was regulated like alcohol is, it wouldn't be much a deal anyway. Alcohol is legal, and you hear way more times of people getting in accidents because of drunk driving. Well if marijuana was regulated too, it would be no higher or lower than alcohol.

I am personally not a user, but i don't believe it is any more of a threat than alcohol or smoking are.

[theOperaGhost]

Does anyone realize that the reason there are no reported cancer cases caused by marijuana is because it isn't as common or used as frequently as cigarettes are? If it were legalized, it would be used as much, if not more than cigarettes. It contains chemicals that can cause cancer. Just because there aren't cases of cancer caused by it, doesn't mean it can't cause it.

Also, Rex never said pot was addictive, he said addictive chemicals will be added to pot if it is legalized, which is very likely true. The chemicals added are what is bad about anything. Cigarettes (tobacco products) wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are if tobacco companies didn't add a shit-ton of chemicals to them. The same thing will happen to pot. Companies will add chemicals to guarantee the sale of the product.

[Oblivion]

Does anyone realize that the reason there are no reported cancer cases caused by marijuana is because it isn't as common or used as frequently as cigarettes are? If it were legalized, it would be used as much, if not more than cigarettes. It contains chemicals that can cause cancer. Just because there aren't cases of cancer caused by it, doesn't mean it can't cause it.

Also, Rex never said pot was addictive, he said addictive chemicals will be added to pot if it is legalized, which is very likely true. The chemicals added are what is bad about anything. Cigarettes (tobacco products) wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are if tobacco companies didn't add a shit-ton of chemicals to them. The same thing will happen to pot. Companies will add chemicals to guarantee the sale of the product.

Annnd, cancer victims are much less likely to admit they smoked pot at some point than cancer victims who smoked cigarettes, seeing as the latter is legal, while the first isn't. Which makes studies much less valid.

[Mzor203]

i agree with this point, marijuana has no reported concer cases.
we had a drug assembly and they compared marijuana to smoking. and though it impairs your judgement, it is less dangeroud health wise than smoking.


Weed is NOT addictive. Unlike cigarretes there is nothing addictive in the plant. One can choose to quit at any time and there would be no whiplash.

If weed was regulated like alcohol is, it wouldn't be much a deal anyway. Alcohol is legal, and you hear way more times of people getting in accidents because of drunk driving. Well if marijuana was regulated too, it would be no higher or lower than alcohol.

I am personally not a user, but i don't believe it is any more of a threat than alcohol or smoking are.

Paula, I am sorry, but you misunderstood my point. The thing is, with marijuana being so profitable, people are going to want to get every drop of money out of it that they can. For the reason that it isn't addictive, they're going to make it addictive.

[AllThatIsLeft]

maybe. (ugh i hate to be on this side of the discussion, but idk i dont see it as an all that bad of a thing.) i'm outtie of this.

i just don't want to get into a debate. and is not my fight anyway.

[norefillsx]

You do realize that health effects are after long term use, right?

The bad health effects cigarettes have comes from prolonged use. I've smoked a couple of packs and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to have horrible effects from it.

But if you smoke pot over the years, just like inhaling any other kind of smoke, health problems WILL develop. Do you know any firemen?
"Any other kind of smoke" Marijuana smoke is thin, easy to inhale and hold..Fire smoke is like 5x thicker than pot smoke lol, and health problems are RARE to occur

@ Shattered..like everyone in the world has smoked pot atleast once in their lifetime, unless your a brainwashed pawn of society lol Tell me, have you tried Marijuana in your lifetime?

[The Batman]

Where are you getting your facts from?

[theOperaGhost]

@ Shattered..like everyone in the world has smoked pot atleast once in their lifetime, unless your a brainwashed pawn of society lol Tell me, have you tried Marijuana in your lifetime?

You seem to be the one who has been brainwashed, kid....

Like everyone in the world has smoked pot at least once?? Give me a break...that statement is just bullshit.

[Oblivion]

@ Shattered..like everyone in the world has smoked pot atleast once in their lifetime, unless your a brainwashed pawn of society lol Tell me, have you tried Marijuana in your lifetime?

That is absolutely not true that everyone in the world has smoked pot.
No I have not.

So, do you have any evidence as of now? Like websites?

[CaptainObvious]

Does anyone realize that the reason there are no reported cancer cases caused by marijuana is because it isn't as common or used as frequently as cigarettes are? If it were legalized, it would be used as much, if not more than cigarettes. It contains chemicals that can cause cancer. Just because there aren't cases of cancer caused by it, doesn't mean it can't cause it.

Nobody realizes that what you mentioned is the reason, because it isn't. Marijuana is a widely used drug; certainly widely enough in society that overall epidemiological study could be carried out regarding effects. The reality is that no association with lung cancer has been shown. Whether or not this means it cannot cause cancer is unknown; but so far it hasn't.

As for your postulate that if weed were legalized it would be used as much as cigarettes is frankly laughable. The average regular smoker in America smokes from 1-1.5 packs per day (ppd). That level of smoking would be nearly impossible to achieve with pot while retaining any ability to function. Moreover, it's something the smoker wouldn't even want to do; cigarettes are used as much as they are because nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs on the planet. Marijuana may or may not be addictive, but it is certainly less so than nicotine.

Also, Rex never said pot was addictive, he said addictive chemicals will be added to pot if it is legalized, which is very likely true. The chemicals added are what is bad about anything. Cigarettes (tobacco products) wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are if tobacco companies didn't add a shit-ton of chemicals to them. The same thing will happen to pot. Companies will add chemicals to guarantee the sale of the product.

You need to acquaint yourself more fully with the realities of this discussion.

Cigarette tobacco goes through an extensive manufacturing process. It is a complicated discussion in its entirety, but the salient importance is that cigarette tobacco is not just pure tobacco. To maintain the traditional smooth sweetness of cigarette smoke, a great portion of the smoke is tobacco that has been extensively processed, cured, chemically treated, reprocessed etc. The shit-ton of chemicals in cigarettes are a result of this product. It is worth noting, since you appear to have misconceived this, that most of the added chemicals are not addictive; modulation of nicotine delivery amounts is how cigarettes companies prefer to keep their users hooked.

Could such a thing occur with pot? Maybe, but just because the two substances are superficially similar does not mean the exact same things will occur.

[Paradox-]

Legalize it, I 100% beleive that taxing/regualting marijuana use would be beneficial for everyone. The econamic reccesion that America is in could be helped if not saved by the taxing of marijuana, and legalizing the use and growth will decrease crime rates aswell as so called "criminals" being held in jail for distributing or using a virtually harmless drug. I have yet to come to a conclusion on why marijuana is still prohibited aside from the biased statements and completly false studies that people have conducted and continue to beleive.

[HPstoner]

I say legalize it but theres no way im buying it from the stores. I'll get it from my dealer where I know its not fucked with by the government.

[Whisper]

^you live in Halifax.....its all shit there gov or dealer

I dont want it legalized, why?
If its legalized in Canada
we'll be over run by American stoner's

and it pisses me off how people drive stoned and don't give me that crap that they don't cause everyone I know who smokes and has a drives does it regularly, they think its funny.
and in Nanaimo i see a ton of people smoking in there cars in parking lots by the water

[Paradox-]

^you live in Halifax.....its all shit there gov or dealer

I dont want it legalized, why?
If its legalized in Canada
we'll be over run by American stoner's

and it pisses me off how people drive stoned and don't give me that crap that they don't cause everyone I know who smokes and has a drives does it regularly, they think its funny.
and in Nanaimo i see a ton of people smoking in there cars in parking lots by the water They smoke in they're car because marijuana for the most part doesn't affect motor skills. Why would it piss you off anyway?

[Whisper]

It does affect motor skills even in low dosage
the difference between pot and alcohol is beer makes you more daring where as pot and driving makes you paranoid.

I live in British Columbia's west coast on Vancouver Island
I'm smack dab in the middle of pot central
I smell and see it everywhere and I don't care if they're in a park or walking down a street, on the beach, the dock, at home, w/e stoned it doesn't bother me
they aren't hurting anyone
they're just having some fun
I'm perfectly okay with that
I've tried it a few times
PLUR

But when you are behind the wheel you are responsible for your life, the lives of any passengers as well as the lives of the people in vehicles and pedestrians around you
and I do not want my life to be in the hands of ANYONE under the influence of anything

MOST people who drive stoned know there stoned so they're more cautious MOST
I personally can think of two friends right now where that isnt the case....I don't know allot of people

Point is how safe a stoner is on the road depends on there personal mood, how much they've smoked, the quality, and there own body chemistry all factors of if or how they will be more cautious they will be while driving a 2500lbs bullet
they have no right to endanger others for there own amusement PERIOD
as far as i'm concerned thinking otherwise is hypocritical when stoner's bitch constantly that they aren't doing any harm in there room smoking pot therefor the gov shouldn't be able to try and force them not to
I agree there

But i still don't want it legalized
I don't want Canada overrun
at 33 million nation wide were a rare breed

and I won't support it now because you'd never be able to get it out of gang hands
the hells angels own Nanaimo, period.
don't quote me but i'm almost positive my neighbor is one. Him and some other harley bikers visit both drug dealers I have on my block every few nights now the majority of thats probly heroin but it being van island i dont think its much of a stretch to think the gangs profit from pot aswell
the cops confiscated 46 weapons just south of where I live including a .50 cal, a .30 cal, grenades, etc...
Theres a bloody drug war going on all over Vancouver right now usual safe areas of the city are having daily drive by's, the independent soldiers, the UN gang, the red scorpions, hells angels, etc....
all trying to maintain or carve out a bigger drug turf
mostly heroine, meth, etc.....
But you can't honestly tell me theres no pot period in any of the operation

its like buying blood diamonds
just
not my cup of tea

[Paradox-]

It does affect motor skills even in low dosage
the difference between pot and alcohol is beer makes you more daring where as pot and driving makes you paranoid.

I live in British Columbia's west coast on Vancouver Island
I'm smack dab in the middle of pot central
I smell and see it everywhere and I don't care if they're in a park or walking down a street, on the beach, the dock, at home, w/e stoned it doesn't bother me
they aren't hurting anyone
they're just having some fun
I'm perfectly okay with that
I've tried it a few times
PLUR

But when you are behind the wheel you are responsible for your life, the lives of any passengers as well as the lives of the people in vehicles and pedestrians around you
and I do not want my life to be in the hands of ANYONE under the influence of anything

MOST people who drive stoned know there stoned so they're more cautious MOST
I personally can think of two friends right now where that isnt the case....I don't know allot of people

Point is how safe a stoner is on the road depends on there personal mood, how much they've smoked, the quality, and there own body chemistry all factors of if or how they will be more cautious they will be while driving a 2500lbs bullet
they have no right to endanger others for there own amusement PERIOD
as far as i'm concerned thinking otherwise is hypocritical when stoner's bitch constantly that they aren't doing any harm in there room smoking pot therefor the gov shouldn't be able to try and force them not to
I agree there

But i still don't want it legalized
I don't want Canada overrun
at 33 million nation wide were a rare breed

and I won't support it now because you'd never be able to get it out of gang hands
the hells angels own Nanaimo, period.
don't quote me but i'm almost positive my neighbor is one. Him and some other harley bikers visit both drug dealers I have on my block every few nights now the majority of thats probly heroin but it being van island i dont think its much of a stretch to think the gangs profit from pot aswell
the cops confiscated 46 weapons just south of where I live including a .50 cal, a .30 cal, grenades, etc...
Theres a bloody drug war going on all over Vancouver right now usual safe areas of the city are having daily drive by's, the independent soldiers, the UN gang, the red scorpions, hells angels, etc....
all trying to maintain or carve out a bigger drug turf
mostly heroine, meth, etc.....
But you can't honestly tell me theres no pot period in any of the operation

its like buying blood diamonds
just
not my cup of teaWell first of all Marijuana does affect motor skills to a minor degree and I understand your concern and in some ways support your reasoning. But what I don't undertsand about your statement is first Canada being overrun, how do you suppose this would happen? And your third statement is contridicting yourself, by legalizing marijuana you would most cetainly decrease crime rates and so called "gangs" running the marijuana scence (which I beleive is false because gangs could be making money selling other drugs at a wayyy faster pase than they would marijuana.)

[HPstoner]

Well first of all Marijuana does affect motor skills to a minor degree and I understand your concern and in some ways support your reasoning. But what I don't undertsand about your statement is first Canada being overrun, how do you suppose this would happen? And your third statement is contridicting yourself, by legalizing marijuana you would most cetainly decrease crime rates and so called "gangs" running the marijuana scence (which I beleive is false because gangs could be making money selling other drugs at a wayyy faster pase than they would marijuana.)

Marijuana is a safer drug for dealers to deal, less jail time. And I drive high almost every day and I still have never gotten into an accident. Not even close so I don't know about it having that great a toll on your driving skills.

[Whisper]

Well first of all Marijuana does affect motor skills to a minor degree and I understand your concern and in some ways support your reasoning. But what I don't undertsand about your statement is first Canada being overrun, how do you suppose this would happen? And your third statement is contridicting yourself, by legalizing marijuana you would most cetainly decrease crime rates and so called "gangs" running the marijuana scence (which I beleive is false because gangs could be making money selling other drugs at a wayyy faster pase than they would marijuana.)

I'm not contradicting myself at all i'm looking at different sides
You will never be able to police or regulate pot, you'd never be able to stop all the illegal grow ops or get dealers off the streets
not to mention if you can't regulate or police it effectively how could you ensure purity? if it got into the hands of a shitty dealer and was tainted and you as a buyer became sick legally you could go after the federal gov in a law suit just like if you get food poisoning you can go after the company
even with independent companies handling marketing, production, and sales the weakness is still in regulation and policing from start to finish which falls under federal jurisdiction.

Not to mention legalizing it would send a huge message and could affect our foreign policy and relations even with Obama America as a country is more conservative ( i know we have harper right now....erugh...) legalizing pot here would give homeland security south of the boarder an excuse to tighten the boarders even more which is already hurting trade to the sum of millions etc...

Like its a snowball
A decision like this could affect allot of things

as far as overrun
"According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, in 2006, 14.8 million Americans age 12 or older used marijuana at least once in the month prior to being surveyed"
source - http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Canadians like pot okay thats a fact according to the united nations we smoke more than the dutch...and its legal there (dur)

"Canadians use marijuana at four times the world average, making Canada the leader of the industrialized world in cannabis consumption, a recent United Nations report found.

The 2007 World Drug Report by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime says that 16.8 per cent of Canadians aged 15 to 64 smoked marijuana or used another cannabis product in 2006. The world average is 3.8 per cent."
Source - http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/09/canada-cannabis.html?ref=rss

actually I wonder how much that costs our health care...not debating that just curious



and I know compared to meth or heroin pots a low income drug
but can you honestly tell me you know for a fact no gangs profit from it PERIOD?


I'm not attacking you paradox
all i'm saying is a fundamental change in society like this can have far reaching affects
affects that should be looked at and understood before a decision is made
I'm not saying its all negative by any means
you could bring in allot of cash if you taxed pot which could build allot of schools and hospitals hell we might even get the socialized daycare paul martin promised one day

[devilsheep]

In my opinion, even if they legalize it, nobody will buy from the government. The government would tax the shit out of it, lower its potency, etc. There will still be dealers selling it for the same price as before, and this would obviously be the most logical option for buyers. However, it would encourage people who were too afriad to buy from dealers to buy weed now, which will indeed help the economy. I dont think it's necessary for it to be legalized, but atleast should be decriminilized as some states are doing now.

[WEO]

haha yeah the place would be overrun. There are just SO MANY STONERS in the world/US who wants it legalized so they can smoke in peace. I know I want.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

I think you guys have to consider the thread title. Legalization would mean no dealers. It would be sold by the government.
THe over-running of american stoners would be a good boost for the economy. Think about all the Kraft Dinner they'd buy!
Driving under the influence of ANYTHING is NEVER acceptable. Driving is a priviledge, not a right. If you don't want to play by the rules, get off the fucking road.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Marijuana, if legalized would help the U.S.' economy greatly, with the way it is now, new jobs would open up, money would come flowing in, our government wouldn't be spending 8 billion dollars a year to throw marijuana users / sellers into jail, and citizens wouldn't have to have anything to do with the drug cartels. People say that marijuana is a gateway drug, primarily because of its association with the drug cartels.

As said in a previous post, marijuana, like alcohol, should be used responsibly, and moderated for those above the age of 21, (I disagree on the 21, I also disagree on alcohol being for people who are 21, I feel it should be 18).

Marijuana is indeed illegal for a reason, because in the 20's and 30's, we were ignorant,
William Randolph Hearst, I believe his name was, the guy who enjoyed yellow journalism if I'm not mistaken, did what he did spreading lies about marijuana such as, "It will make you kill your best friend!"
"It will make you crazy!"
"It will kill you!"
Now, at this day and age, we all know none of that is true, and this 'drug' was illegalized due to the fact that people believed it. Racism, fear, ignorance, big businesses not wanting heavy competition.
And in all fairness, as far as health goes, we have, tobacco, alcohol and salvia, all legal (Salvia legal in most states).

Tobacco, is heavily addictive, is definitely linked with lung and heart cancer, and has no benefit to you, other than if you fall off a roof, and break your rib and it impales your lung, the tar can actually keep it inflated (Had it happen to a friend who smokes a lot.)
Alcohol, again, very addictive, can cause liver issues, heart issues, severe dependency and direct death through poisoning.
I do not know too much about salvia, so I will not go into that.
Marijuana, however, is not proven to have any link with lung or hear cancer, is proven to actually kill cancer cells, and otherwise does nothing accessively harmful to you. Now, don't get me wrong, it CAN and WILL harm your lungs if you smoke it, it's not completely healthy, obviously, but far healthier than tobacco and alcohol. But if marijuana is consumed with the use of a vaporizer, which actually cooks the marijuana and allows you to inhale the vapor, which causes not NEARLY as much harm as smoke does (Many medicinal marijuana patients use this method)
As far as it making you stupid, not true at all.
I've been smoking marijuana for two years now, and I have not had any long term mental effects other than loss of short term memory on occasions. I'll admit that much.

A friend of mine, has a dad who's been smoking marijuana since he was fourteen, the man is now 49, and he's very smart. It doesn't make you stupid, I promise.

Aside from recreational use, the plant hemp is VERY useful, hemp oil actually cures certain forms of cancer, not all, but some. Also, hemp is very good paper, and grows far faster than regular trees, which would help the saving of trees in the rainforests. In fact, the declaration of independence is written on hemp.
Cannabis food products are very helpful for children with ADD and ADHD. Children with said disorders, or adults even, if they eat some toast with cannabis butter ontop will help them stay focused in school for the whole day, not just a few hours, and it doesn't get you high or anything, just increases focus, this is very useful.

P.S. There have been zero reported incidents of death due to marijuana.
That's all I have to say.

I suppose now's a good time to go onto the cons, so to be unbiased.
Do NOT drive under the influence of pot, I smoke pot every week, and I know damn well, I CANNOT drive.
Weed doesn't make you stupid people, it makes you act stupid. And it's not even that I lose focus, depending on how high I am, there have been times where I went to reach for something relatively large in size and actually missed it because I was so high, so really, keep the weed at home.

Also, if you have a family history of mental disorders (e.g. depression, manic depression, tourettes, schizophrenia, etc.) you should not have anything to do with marijuana, it can in fact trigger these disorders among others I just don't knwo every mental disorder in the book, so it's best to stay away from these.

Marijuana DOES have a mental addiction to come with it, but that comes with everything enjoyable. It does not, however, have a physical addiction, you will not have trouble getting off weed if you really need to, you will suffer VERY minor withdrawl symptoms and only if you smoke frequently.

Also, weight gain, THC is stored in fat cells, and also along with that, munchies, of course. Often times, when one is high, they go on an eating rampage and just eat everything.
This could be good or bad depending on your situation. For this reason, medicinal marijuana is often prescribed to cancer patients undergoing Chemo(sp?)therapy.

Also, there is a risk of panic attacks as a result of smoking marijuana, which is like a reverse high, where you are basically put through a rush of heat flashes, extremely fast heart rate, anxiety, nervousness, and nausea, can result in vomitting if you allow it to.

This does not happen to everyone, nor does it happen often, but it can happen.

[Antares]

I say no. Why? Because it would be stupid if we did so.
And I don't think it would "help" America. It would in fact cause more problems. Violence would go up. Accidents would go up. People would be doing some stupid ass stuff.

It was illegalized for a reason. Just like alcohol was illegalized for a reason. Why think that you are invincible and are wiser than the people that made the laws? I think it should just stay illegal. It would keep things simple and usage low. And obviously the illegality doesn't matter because people still break the law to get it anyway. What would some words in a book help?
Yea. No. Dont legalize it.

[Gumleaf]

moving: drugs forum >>> ramblings of the wise

[Sage]

I say no. Why? Because it would be stupid if we did so.

A piece of advice: Never begin a statement with your weakest argument.




And I don't think it would "help" America. It would in fact cause more problems. Violence would go up. Accidents would go up. People would be doing some stupid ass stuff.

That's an assumption. Do you honestly know of anybody who wants to do marijuanna but only chooses not to because it's illegal? No. Nobody in their right mind thinks that way. People who want to do it will do it.

It was illegalized for a reason. Just like alcohol was illegalized for a reason.

Alcohol is legal at a certain age.

Why think that you are invincible and are wiser than the people that made the laws? I think it should just stay illegal.

Assumption: People who make the laws are always right.

Reality: Some people in government are stupid. Just like you. (not you specifically, people in general.)

It would keep things simple and usage low.

No it wouldn't. Cops would have to waste their time going after people who occasionally smoke it when they could be spending their time on greater crimes that actually harm society greatly.

And obviously the illegality doesn't matter because people still break the law to get it anyway. What would some words in a book help?

I do believe you've just contradicted everything you just said, good sir. I look forward to your response.

ba-dum-ksh.

[INFERNO]

I can see the advantages and disadvantages.
The advantages:
- Increases the shitty economy by allowing the government to tax it however high they want.
- Does serve some medical purposes.

The disadvantages:
- Notorious "gateway drug"
- Can affect motor skills, especially in higher doses. Even if the government gave very low doses and low amounts, people could still collect it for one large high. This can also lead to various mishaps and accidents. The last thing a company needs is for the workers to be high as a kite and have sawed off their arms.
- Correlational studies to causing testicular cancer and possibly other diseases.
- Does not stop the illegal growing operations because these growing operations wouldn't tax it as much as the government, so people would want the same product for a cheaper price.
- Could affect the international relations with other countries, especially if those countries have strict laws regarding the usage of drugs.

Overall, I'm against it. There are benefits, however, the disadvantages are more numerous and more severe.

[theOperaGhost]

That's an assumption. Do you honestly know of anybody who wants to do marijuanna but only chooses not to because it's illegal? No. Nobody in their right mind thinks that way. People who want to do it will do it.

*Raises hand*

The fact that marijuana is illegal is the only thing that has stopped me from using it. I want to use it. The same holds true for alcohol. The only time I've ever been drunk was when I was in Canada and it was legal. I quite likely won't get drunk again until it is legal, so until I'm 21 or go to Canada, whichever comes first.

You see, the reason I don't do it because it's illegal is because I'm worried about getting caught. If I get caught, I lose my scholarships, which are paying for my college. Without scholarships, I don't go to college. I'm not taking the risk of ruining my life just to get drunk or high...it's fucking stupid to do so.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

I can see the advantages and disadvantages.
The advantages:
- Increases the shitty economy by allowing the government to tax it however high they want.
- Does serve some medical purposes.
That's very general, there are far more purposes and benefits. Medicinal makes it sound so small it can do some amazing things for people in need.



- Notorious "gateway drug"

Uhm...no. No, no, goddammit no.
That's not true at all, there is no "Gateway drug" marijuana doesn't make you say "Hey, I want to snort some coke."
I've smoked marijuana for two years, and I've been around drugs of all kinds and I have no done any but marijuana, it has no influence on my judgement, only coordination.


- Can affect motor skills, especially in higher doses. Even if the government gave very low doses and low amounts, people could still collect it for one large high. This can also lead to various mishaps and accidents. The last thing a company needs is for the workers to be high as a kite and have sawed off their arms.

Last thing a company needs is the workers to be drunk off their asses, wait, that doesn't happen too often! Alcohol is legal for people over 21! That's interesting actually, you know how people don't usually come to work drunk, they likely won't come to work high. And yes, it DOES effect motor skills, as does alcohol.



- Correlational studies to causing testicular cancer and possibly other diseases.

Sources please, that's not true.


- Does not stop the illegal growing operations because these growing operations wouldn't tax it as much as the government, so people would want the same product for a cheaper price.

True, but I'd much rather get my marijuana legally than illegally. Rather not risk getting caught if I don't have to. To those who decide to get it illegally, their own problem, it won't be nearly as easy to get caught though, and we won't be spending 8 billion dollars catching pot smokers and dealers.


- Could affect the international relations with other countries, especially if those countries have strict laws regarding the usage of drugs.

What? No. How do you even get that? People generally look at the laws of a country before entering it...I don't think anyone who's an absolute fool would bring marijuana into a country where it is illegal, while they have the freedom to do it in their own country.

[CaptainObvious]

Every so often I have to come back here and read one of these threads full of people running their mouths when they know absolutely nothing about the topic: marijuana.

- Notorious "gateway drug"

Notorious only because you and millions of other gullible people believe the patently absurd notion of a gateway drug effect. For about the millionth time:

The gateway durg postulate is that because marijuana users are statistically more likely to use other drugs, marijuana causes people to use more drugs. Do you not see how ridiculous a proposition that is? Three words (which are unfortunately used too often): correlation is not causation.

In the first place, if someone uses marijuana they are willing to break laws to use drugs and are therefore not a comparable group to the general population. That alone would explain a higher rate of drug use in the population of people who have used marijuana once.

Even aside from that, though, there are other obvious explanations: being able to get marijuana suggests access to drugs, and the easier the access the more likely one is to take advantage of that access. It goes on, but the reality is that marijuana itself does not make one more or less likely to use other drugs.

- Can affect motor skills, especially in higher doses. Even if the government gave very low doses and low amounts, people could still collect it for one large high. This can also lead to various mishaps and accidents. The last thing a company needs is for the workers to be high as a kite and have sawed off their arms.

So hang on, does marijuana force one to walk out and get behind the wheel of a car or go operate a saw? Or should we perhaps ciminalize the actual dangerous behavior (performing dangerous actions high) instead of the otherwise not danerous marijuana consumption?

- Correlational studies to causing testicular cancer and possibly other diseases.

The study you are referring to showed a 70% increase in nonseminoma among a population actively using marijuana compared to the overall male population. The problem is, nonseminoma has its prevalence peak from ages 20-35. When do you think marijuana use probably peaks in the population? I'd put a lot of money the age range is very similar - probably almost identical but with a lower bottom, which is removed from the final analysis by the fact that cancer takes time to develop.

Notably, there was no significant correlation found with seminoma. Interesting, because seminoma's peak population incidence is in the 40s. Hmm... seems to back my argument. Now, they may have controlled for this corelation in their study, but I have seen no evidence of that. And you haven't either, which is why epidemiological studies are not really meant for consumption by the general public in a "see they found a correlation so marijuana is bad" kind of way.

- Does not stop the illegal growing operations because these growing operations wouldn't tax it as much as the government, so people would want the same product for a cheaper price.

That's true, but no large scale opportunities for this exist. Any large enough organization would be nailed for tax fraud, and if the government made the penalties for untaxed marijuana distribution stiff enough, it wouldn't be worth it. As it is, drug dealers, growers, etc. take part in the market because marijuana is made extremely expensive by prohibition. Right now, if I were to sell marijuana in Canada as a grower (at a large enough volume to make it worthwhile) I could make $x per pound (right now somewhere between $1500 and $3000, generally). If it were legalized, you can right away halve or cut that number to a quarter, if not more. And you're telling me grow ops are going to spring up to try and profit by selling for less? That's absurd. As someone who actually did some economics work on the economics of grow operations, I can tell you right away that except for very high output operations, there would be absolutely no profit. And for the big ones, standard tax evasion prosecution strategies would suffice.

Overall, I'm against it. There are benefits, however, the disadvantages are more numerous and more severe.

The disadvantages are only more numerous because you didn't list a number of the advantages. Also, you listed disadvantages that aren't real.

[INFERNO]

The gateway durg postulate is that because marijuana users are statistically more likely to use other drugs, marijuana causes people to use more drugs. Do you not see how ridiculous a proposition that is? Three words (which are unfortunately used too often): correlation is not causation.

Yes, I do see how ridiculous it is and perhaps I should've clarified I mean correlation, however, at this time, that is rather unneeded.

In the first place, if someone uses marijuana they are willing to break laws to use drugs and are therefore not a comparable group to the general population. That alone would explain a higher rate of drug use in the population of people who have used marijuana once.

Very true.


Even aside from that, though, there are other obvious explanations: being able to get marijuana suggests access to drugs, and the easier the access the more likely one is to take advantage of that access. It goes on, but the reality is that marijuana itself does not make one more or less likely to use other drugs.

True, it does not cause anything to become more or less likely.

So hang on, does marijuana force one to walk out and get behind the wheel of a car or go operate a saw?

Amazingly, much to my surprise, it doesn't.

Or should we perhaps ciminalize the actual dangerous behavior (performing dangerous actions high) instead of the otherwise not danerous marijuana consumption?

Would it not be easier to simply criminalize the dangerous marijuana consumption at high doses rather than defining which behaviors are deemed dangerous when high and having to debate those in court?



The study you are referring to showed a 70% increase in nonseminoma among a population actively using marijuana compared to the overall male population. The problem is, nonseminoma has its prevalence peak from ages 20-35. When do you think marijuana use probably peaks in the population? I'd put a lot of money the age range is very similar - probably almost identical but with a lower bottom, which is removed from the final analysis by the fact that cancer takes time to develop.

I suppose you've heard of the Two-Hit Hypothesis concerning cancer, so if you have, then you'd know that cancer doesn't need a long time to develop. Take for example retinoblastoma in children. That doesn't take too long, so cancer does not need a long time to develop.


That's true, but no large scale opportunities for this exist. Any large enough organization would be nailed for tax fraud, and if the government made the penalties for untaxed marijuana distribution stiff enough, it wouldn't be worth it. As it is, drug dealers, growers, etc. take part in the market because marijuana is made extremely expensive by prohibition. Right now, if I were to sell marijuana in Canada as a grower (at a large enough volume to make it worthwhile) I could make $x per pound (right now somewhere between $1500 and $3000, generally). If it were legalized, you can right away halve or cut that number to a quarter, if not more. And you're telling me grow ops are going to spring up to try and profit by selling for less? That's absurd. As someone who actually did some economics work on the economics of grow operations, I can tell you right away that except for very high output operations, there would be absolutely no profit. And for the big ones, standard tax evasion prosecution strategies would suffice.

Then I stand corrected on this one.



The disadvantages are only more numerous because you didn't list a number of the advantages.

Then what is your list of the advantages?

Sources please, that's not true.

Source# 1 (http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/OtherCancers/12802)

Source #2 (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=97529)

From what I can tell, there is a correlation, hence, it may be true.

[theOperaGhost]

The disadvantages are only more numerous because you didn't list a number of the advantages. Also, you listed disadvantages that aren't real.

I'd like to see these advantages that you seemed to have left out.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Then what is your list of the advantages?

See my post.

OperaGhost, see my post as well.

[INFERNO]

Marijuana, if legalized would help the U.S.' economy greatly, with the way it is now, new jobs would open up, money would come flowing in, our government wouldn't be spending 8 billion dollars a year to throw marijuana users / sellers into jail, and citizens wouldn't have to have anything to do with the drug cartels.

I agree with this.


As said in a previous post, marijuana, like alcohol, should be used responsibly, and moderated for those above the age of 21, (I disagree on the 21, I also disagree on alcohol being for people who are 21, I feel it should be 18).

I agree also, it should be used in moderation. Why do you disagree on the specific ages?


Marijuana, however, is not proven to have any link with lung or hear cancer, is proven to actually kill cancer cells, and otherwise does nothing accessively harmful to you. Now, don't get me wrong, it CAN and WILL harm your lungs if you smoke it, it's not completely healthy, obviously, but far healthier than tobacco and alcohol. But if marijuana is consumed with the use of a vaporizer, which actually cooks the marijuana and allows you to inhale the vapor, which causes not NEARLY as much harm as smoke does (Many medicinal marijuana patients use this method)

Agree also, however, there is speculation about a correlation between marijuana use and testicular cancer.


I've been smoking marijuana for two years now, and I have not had any long term mental effects other than loss of short term memory on occasions. I'll admit that much.

A friend of mine, has a dad who's been smoking marijuana since he was fourteen, the man is now 49, and he's very smart.

Sadly, as nice as these examples may seem, there is not too high reliability and validity.


It doesn't make you stupid, I promise.

I want objective, unbiased evidence, not your promise.


Cannabis food products are very helpful for children with ADD and ADHD.
Children with said disorders, or adults even, if they eat some toast with cannabis butter ontop will help them stay focused in school for the whole day, not just a few hours, and it doesn't get you high or anything, just increases focus, this is very useful.

Sources for this.

There have been zero reported incidents of death due to marijuana.
That's all I have to say.

And that is all you need to say, I agree also.


Weed doesn't make you stupid people, it makes you act stupid. And it's not even that I lose focus, depending on how high I am, there have been times where I went to reach for something relatively large in size and actually missed it because I was so high, so really, keep the weed at home.

Cute example, no evidence other than your testimony, which if there is no other form of evidence, then it's useless.

Marijuana DOES have a mental addiction to come with it, but that comes with everything enjoyable. It does not, however, have a physical addiction,

Agree also.

For this reason, medicinal marijuana is often prescribed to cancer patients undergoing Chemo(sp?)therapy.

It's prescribed for other reasons, other than the one you pointed out.


Also, there is a risk of panic attacks as a result of smoking marijuana, which is like a reverse high, where you are basically put through a rush of heat flashes, extremely fast heart rate, anxiety, nervousness, and nausea, can result in vomitting if you allow it to. Agree with all except with the bolded part. So, if you simply decide "nope, not going to vomit today", then you won't vomit at all? Your wording gives it that implication.