Seal Hunt

[Neverender]

What are your thoughts on the canadian seal hunt off the coast of Newfoundland? Do you support or not?

GIVE LEGITIMATE REASONS!!! No "clubbing baby seals to death is icky" bullshit as we've all heard so much before.

[Dragonite]

no i dont support anything like that i hate it. i dont really have any reasons i just dont like it.

[Atonement]

No I am not in favor of it because of the cruelty and scale of the hunt. It is wiping out populations of young, often a few weeks old, seal pups, when the fur, which is the most part the hunters want, can be replaced by other fur or by seal molted fur by brushing. The seals aren't huge in numbers and last time a hunt of this size was conducted, the seal population dropped 2/3s. So, no I don't support it because it jeopardizes the population and is cruel to treat such adorable animals that way. Any animal for that matter.

[CaptainObvious]

The seal population remains viable with the hunt. I don't love it, but aside from the visceral "oh no cute things dying *gasp*" reaction, there are not a lot of very good reasons to ban it. It's just a pet cause of flighty actor/actress types and teenage girls. :P

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I think its the humane thing to do. The seals will slowly starve to death if they arent hunted down to smaller numbers; might as well make use of them

[Whisper]

I think its horrible
It does severe damage to Canada in the international community so much so that many countries in europe and around the globe have already banned trading canadian seal pelts because they don't want to be tainted with it

On the other hand were in a recession so were not really in any position to squash out yet another industry

I think a balance would be best
- I'd do away with the clubbing (greenpeace and sea sheppard along with the rest of the worlds media has used that as a main rallying point so eliminate it entirly)
- I'd put in stricter regulations
- I'd tighten down on the quota
- I'd launch a detailed study into how the hunt affects the local ecosystem as a whole
If it proved severly detramental i'd set a date where the seal hunt would be abolished say 2011 to give time for the local economy to brace for it
If however the study showed that there was no permenant ill effects of it i'd use facts of the study to launch a PR campign
- I'd set up protected areas as habitat where they are not hunted like we do with waterfowl or big game

etc....

There is allot that can be done just theres so much PSing on both sides now that nothing constructive seems to be happening, as far as I know anyway I could be wrong.

[INFERNO]

No I am not in favor of it because of the cruelty and scale of the hunt. It is wiping out populations of young, often a few weeks old, seal pups, when the fur, which is the most part the hunters want, can be replaced by other fur or by seal molted fur by brushing. The seals aren't huge in numbers and last time a hunt of this size was conducted, the seal population dropped 2/3s. So, no I don't support it because it jeopardizes the population and is cruel to treat such adorable animals that way. Any animal for that matter.

Populations re-grow and stabalize, they don't plummet and stay that way. If humans insisted on say, a year long, daily hunting of seals, then I think the population would be more or less wiped out.

If alternative methods were used and placing more limits as to what methods cannot be used, then I'd say go for it. As of now, I don't support banning it because there are no reasons to, other than the classic "they're cute no no noooo" reason. Aside from the population issues, which do regrow, there are no legit reasons. Banning it because of the method is silly, as that issue is not against the hunt but rather the method.

I'm not sure, nor do I care that much to look it up, about the current population. If need be, set up an area where no hunting is allowed just so there still is a viable hunting and viable living area. If too much hunting, well, then the hunters will wait. However, if the population is large enough, then no real need for this, just a possible change in the hunting method and maintain the quota.

[Whisper]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z50/ebingley/WhatIf.jpg?t=1239542351
lawl

[Atonement]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z50/ebingley/WhatIf.jpg?t=1239542351
lawl

Cody, you're terrible. I love it.

But its a good metaphor lol

[Koman]

Yea i think it is fine, survival of the fittest. I plan on going next year with my louisville slugger as to not peirce the skin (the part you sell). I really ser no problems with it, only immature people who cant handle life.

[Whisper]

Yea i think it is fine, survival of the fittest. I plan on going next year with my louisville slugger as to not peirce the skin (the part you sell). I really ser no problems with it, only immature people who cant handle life.

k i was trying to remain impartial and polite but for the record
you fuckin disgust me

Seriously Atlantic Canada can't seem to get anything right

Exhibit A:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4129325077010846701

[Koman]

k i was trying to remain impartial and polite but for the record
you fuckin disgust me

Seriously Atlantic Canada can't seem to get anything right

Exhibit A:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4129325077010846701


alright? and does that change my views no. It is part of life. I dont see people crying because crows are stealing baby birds out of nests and eating them by the dozens. i dont see people crying because tigers are hunting down baby zebras ( or w/e they eat ). Replace Humans with tigers or crows and you have the same thing. For canada, Seal hunting is their way of getting by and supporting their economy. For crows or tigers, they need food to suffice their dietary needs. It is a very important source of economy for small areas that allow it that have no other source.

Living things do what they need to survive. Grow up and get used to it. That's life.

[Nihilus]

I don't support it because what have the seals done to harm us. Its not right to hunt an animal that doesn't hurt us.( I don't know about the hunting in Newfoundland but Its wrong).

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I don't support it because what have the seals done to harm us. Its not right to hunt an animal that doesn't hurt us.( I don't know about the hunting in Newfoundland but Its wrong).

That seems like faulty logic to me. Hunting and cleanly killing an animal to keep its population under control or for food is wrong, but killing a predator that attacks a human because we invaded its territory and destroyed its home is morally right? :confused:

[Whisper]

alright? and does that change my views no. It is part of life. I dont see people crying because crows are stealing baby birds out of nests and eating them by the dozens. i dont see people crying because tigers are hunting down baby zebras ( or w/e they eat ). Replace Humans with tigers or crows and you have the same thing. For canada, Seal hunting is their way of getting by and supporting their economy. For crows or tigers, they need food to suffice their dietary needs. It is a very important source of economy for small areas that allow it that have no other source.

Living things do what they need to survive. Grow up and get used to it. That's life.

Hey sexy!!!

First of all Zebra's are in Africa....Tigers aren't, so that doesn't happen period :roll: . I think you mean Lions or a Cheetah perhaps, etc... Either way it's of no consequence because your argument is fundamentally flawed. An animal hunts in order to survive if they do not eat their prey they will starve, they take only enough to live, animals don't have greed. A human clubbing a seal is very different, it is the ultimate form of cruelty especially when they're still baby's, they cannot escape nor have any hope of fighting back and worst of all as a human you don't kill one every few days for food, no you kill HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS a season, it literally turns into a red sea. Stating that the seal hunt is perfectly acceptable is truly distasteful, its not hunting, its a massacre. My family owns and runs a very successful outfitting business I know what hunting is. What Newfoundland needs to do is get off its ass and find an industry that is actually viable year round, one that doesn't severely fuck up the international image for the rest of Canada. Prop up the economy? Really? So the West can cut the funding to the welfair cheques? We can stop sending over Equalization Payments? Never mind the job opportunities the West has provided; all of Alberta is newfies, its the money made in Alberta and British Columbia being sent back to NFL which has literally pulled Newfoundland out of the have-not, which I am very proud about, they worked for it, and sent it back home. But don't tell me the seal industry is "propping up" your economy it has been going on for a very long time and Newfoundland has been in a shitty state for a very loooooooooooooooong time.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2006/02/333020.jpg
aren't you proud

[Koman]

Looks like money to me in that picture which is what our society is based on. Its too bad it had to be but it is. Game over.

[Whisper]

1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2. a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
11. to engage in formal argumentation or disputation with (another person, group, etc.): Jones will debate Smith. Harvard will debate Princeton.

http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=debate&search=search

if your not going to debate
don't post
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[Stevo 69]

I for one, do not support hunting animals that are or going extinct, I also do not believe in animals being hunted full stop.