Weed/marijuana

[spanky]

Does smoking weed/marijuana slow down growth in all areas? JW, I dont smoke or anything. But you know how kids are at school.. ALways going around saying stuff.. So i want too know if this "rumor" is true.

[byee]

Spanky, smoking pot doesn't slow down growth or otherwise affect puberty. However, there are a lot of chemcials in pot smoke that aren't healthful, and there are studies which show that lots of pot smoking is linked to a decrease of male hormone, testosterone.

[Antares]

Boys Puberty :arrow: Drugs and Meds

Umm, I have talked to an adult before on this matter and he said that a kid he knew/knows (good/best friend) smoked pot almost every week since his 16th birthday and now 10 years later he is dumber than a box of rocks and has no life and lives to buy pot. So he saw a change from a really smart kid to an adult that can't process arduous tasks. So yea, that way it can affect you.

Also, I am pretty sure that testosterone is a really important part of puberty and if Sams above statement is right, then that decrease in testosterone affects puberty.

Eitherway, just avoid the weed, find something better to do with your time

[Θάνατος]

Spanky, smoking pot doesn't slow down growth or otherwise affect puberty. However, there are a lot of chemicals in pot smoke that aren't healthful, and there are studies which show that lots of pot smoking is linked to a decrease of male hormone, testosterone.


Smoking pot does slow down your rate of growth. It also cause problems with your sperm production and chromosomes in your sperm.

So don't smoke pot. It can cause developmental delays with your whole body.

It is also a gateway drug that makes you want to try stronger drugs.

[SpikeJ]

Spanky, smoking pot doesn't slow down growth or otherwise affect puberty. However, there are a lot of chemcials in pot smoke that aren't healthful, and there are studies which show that lots of pot smoking is linked to a decrease of male hormone, testosterone.

not to burst your bubble or anything sam, but i beg to differ on your claim of marijuana's effects on male reproductive organs.
_______________________________________________________
Myth: Marijuana Causes Sterility and Lowers Testosterone

Government experts concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.1 A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.2 A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.3 In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.

Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.4 One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.

Footnotes

1. Dr. Christine Hartel, loc. cit.

2. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, pp. 94-9.

3. Dr. Robert Block in Drug and Alcohol Dependence 28: 121-8 (1991).

4. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, p. 97-8.

[byee]

not to burst your bubble or anything sam, but i beg to differ on your claim of marijuana's effects on male reproductive organs.
_______________________________________________________
Myth: Marijuana Causes Sterility and Lowers Testosterone

Government experts concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.1 A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.2 A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.3 In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.

Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.4 One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.

Footnotes

1. Dr. Christine Hartel, loc. cit.

2. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, pp. 94-9.

3. Dr. Robert Block in Drug and Alcohol Dependence 28: 121-8 (1991).

4. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, p. 97-8.

Spike, I have no bubbles to burst, contrary to urban legend, I do not know everything! If you have some constructive criticism, I'm all ears (although I appreciate a lack of sarcasm always). However, I must point out that I did not say anywhere in my response to the OP anything about marijuana's negative effects on the male reproductive organs. If anything, I acknowledged that it had no effect on puberty. I DID say that there was nothing healthful in MJ smoke, and your footnoted quotes do not alter that fact.

Also, you might want to review the current literature, Dr. Block's one set of findings from 1991 are neither current nor necessarily valid.

Everyone needs to make their own choice about drug use, but it's important to make that choice based on a wider understanding of current scientific findings, rather than cherry picking those that justify one's decision.

[Viral Death]

I really dont know about dope but i just know not to smoke it.... do coke "lol" no dont do it, but I really dont think its ok to smoke dope or do any drugs that makes you a retard if you do drugs

[spanky]

THANKS EVERYONE!! and dont worry I DO NOT SMOKE WEED i tried a ciggerete once.. and i took a little drag and was like "no"

[Viral Death]

Thats kool I started smoking when I was 7 and smoke very little like a ciggerete every 2 years but never do drugs they mess up your life

[INFERNO]

Spanky, smoking pot doesn't slow down growth or otherwise affect puberty. However, there are a lot of chemcials in pot smoke that aren't healthful, and there are studies which show that lots of pot smoking is linked to a decrease of male hormone, testosterone.

Nice job copying and pasting what IAMSAM said. Do you have anything original to add?

Anyways, there has been correlational studies showing a possible link between THC in marijuanna and testicular cancer:

Smoking marijuana over an extended period of time appears to greatly boost a young man's risk for developing a particularly aggressive form of testicular cancer, a new study reveals.

In fact, researchers found that men who smoked marijuana once a week or began to use the substance on a long-term basis while adolescents incurred double the risk for developing the fastest-spreading version of testicular cancer -- nonseminoma, which accounts for about 40 percent of all cases. from http://www.yourhealthconnection.com/article/healthday/702117

But, do not take this as causation. It is a correlation, there is a big difference.

[Antares]

not to burst your bubble or anything sam, but i beg to differ on your claim of marijuana's effects on male reproductive organs.
_______________________________________________________
Myth: Marijuana Causes Sterility and Lowers Testosterone

Government experts concede that pot has no permanent effect on the male or female reproductive systems.1 A few studies have suggested that heavy marijuana use may have a reversible, suppressive effect on male testicular function.2 A recent study by Dr. Robert Block has refuted earlier research suggesting that pot lowers testosterone or other sex hormones in men or women.3 In contrast, heavy alcohol drinking is known to lower testosterone levels and cause impotence. A couple of lab studies indicated that very heavy marijuana smoking might lower sperm counts. However, surveys of chronic smokers have turned up no indication of infertility or other abnormalities.

Less is known about the effects of cannabis on human females. Some animal studies suggest that pot might temporarily lower fertility or increase the risk of fetal loss, but this evidence is of dubious relevance to humans.4 One human study suggested that pot may mildly disrupt ovulation. It is possible that adolescents are peculiarly vulnerable to hormonal disruptions from pot. However, not a single case of impaired fertility has ever been observed in humans of either sex.

Footnotes

1. Dr. Christine Hartel, loc. cit.

2. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, pp. 94-9.

3. Dr. Robert Block in Drug and Alcohol Dependence 28: 121-8 (1991).

4. NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES Report, p. 97-8.

Your quote basically says that marijuana has no permanant effect on your body which does nothing to contradicting Sams statement. It says nothing about temporary ones

I personally think that all of those substances have some effect, its just a matter of figuring out what that is

[XxTheBlackDeathxX]

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[Toilet Water.]

Thats kool I started smoking when I was 7 and smoke very little like a ciggerete every 2 years but never do drugs they mess up your life


I used to smoke weed like every day, now I do it occasionally.
It does not mess up your life, nor does it make you ''retarded''.
Just saying.
My teachers say I'm very smart, but I lack energy. They've said this like every year, don't blame it on weed, because it's not by weed.

People who ask questions on this kind of stuff want the truth, not to be told that every drug will kill you. You have to use drugs responsibly, if there's a such way ( :P ), to not kill yourself.

[XxTheBlackDeathxX]

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And How Is This "PROMOTING ILLEGAL DRUG USAGE"

[Antares]

I used to smoke weed like every day, now I do it occasionally.
It does not mess up your life, nor does it make you ''retarded''.
Just saying.
My teachers say I'm very smart, but I lack energy. They've said this like every year, don't blame it on weed, because it's not by weed.

People who ask questions on this kind of stuff want the truth, not to be told that every drug will kill you. You have to use drugs responsibly, if there's a such way ( :P ), to not kill yourself.

Yea, drugs are a responsible way to deal with problems...:what:

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

No illegal drugs can be used responsibly. Marijuana makes you lazy and kills your brain cells. It does harm, which is why it is illegal

[Truth]

Protip: Only use weed/marijuana when prescribed medically. It does have some benefits, i myself have always wanted to try it, just for the fact my mom and dad did for like 25 years, and alot of the older kids in school also smoke it, i've also read so many times it will not kill you, and it wont, there's been one recorded death from directly smoking pot if i'm correct and, it was after smoking it seven times a day for 50 years.. I'm sure you'd have had a good life by then. =] But, i dont suggest not to do it aswell because you'd have caring freinds wanting you to stop, and it's illegal. If it wasn't illegal, i wouldn't see how it could hurt you~

No illegal drugs can be used responsibly. Marijuana makes you lazy and kills your brain cells. It does harm, which is why it is illegal "There is a misconception that marijuana kills brain cells but what actually happens is this: Neurons are made of two parts; the cell bodies and axons. The cell bodies contain fiberous extentions called dendrites which receive information from the axon terminals of the adjacent cell. That information is then channeled through the neuron to the axon terminal and again to the dendrite of another cell. Frequent marijuana use will cause the dendrites to shorten therefore widening the synapses between cells making information get lost in transmission. Heres the kicker... Even with regular use, dendrites grow back after a month or two of not smoking."

Im sorry, but please learn before you say something.

I used to smoke weed like every day, now I do it occasionally.
It does not mess up your life, nor does it make you ''retarded''.
Just saying.
My teachers say I'm very smart, but I lack energy. They've said this like every year, don't blame it on weed, because it's not by weed.

People who ask questions on this kind of stuff want the truth, not to be told that every drug will kill you. You have to use drugs responsibly, if there's a such way ( :P ), to not kill yourself. I've done quite well with a medical depression disorder and dysmorphophobia, that i've never had treated because no one believes im depressed, and it's just a 'stage'. And no actually, marijuana makes you lazier whether you like it or not. I also do not see what suicide has to do with weed? And one more thing : Every drug is addicting. Even weed, cannot be used responsibly.

[Toilet Water.]

Even weed, cannot be used responsibly.

No illegal drugs can be used responsibly.

Yea, drugs are a responsible way to deal with problems...:what:

I know it's irrisponsible to do illegal drugs, I'm not that stupid. But using them in a reasonable amount will lessen the chance of someone dying. Using them alone, and not with anything else (ex., another drug, alcohol), will decrease the chance of dying?

[theOperaGhost]

I know it's irrisponsible to do illegal drugs, I'm not that stupid. But using them in a reasonable amount will lessen the chance of someone dying. Using them alone, and not with anything else (ex., another drug, alcohol), will decrease the chance of dying?

How exactly does it decrease the chance of dying??

Technically it would increase the chance of dying. Using drugs impairs judgment, meaning you don't have the ability to make good decisions. You are more reckless when you are under the influence of drugs, thus increasing the chance of dying, if only by a bit. Also the fact of the negative health effects of smoke inhalation among other things.

[Antares]

My point is that things are illegal for a reason.
The politicians don't just sit on their asses making laws just to piss everyone off.
They made the law for a reason because marijuana obviously has some negative effects.
Those effects can be medical, social, etc.
So yea, its illegal for a reason, so just DON'T DO IT!
Simple as that, but for some reason its made a lot more complicated.

[norefillsx]

as a person who has used marijuana for over a year, i have seen no changes in my psychiatric function, or growth...I am a strong believer that weed is actually healthy for you

[theOperaGhost]

I don't know what is healthy about it.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

as a person who has used marijuana for over a year, i have seen no changes in my psychiatric function, or growth...I am a strong believer that weed is actually healthy for you

Aaaand what healthful benefits could Weed possibly give you? Any evidence?

[norefillsx]

it helps with my crazy, without pills with thousands of sideeffects 10x worse then what they cure...

[Toilet Water.]

My point is that things are illegal for a reason.
The politicians don't just sit on their asses making laws just to piss everyone off.
They made the law for a reason because marijuana obviously has some negative effects.
Those effects can be medical, social, etc.
So yea, its illegal for a reason, so just DON'T DO IT!
Simple as that, but for some reason its made a lot more complicated.

It should be the person's decision wether or not they do it, like smoking and drinking. It isn't going to change anything, except for people who do it get arrested or some shit. I still do weed, I know it's illegal. I know what it can do. It doesn't change my mind, I'll still do it.

How exactly does it decrease the chance of dying??

Technically it would increase the chance of dying. Using drugs impairs judgment, meaning you don't have the ability to make good decisions. You are more reckless when you are under the influence of drugs, thus increasing the chance of dying, if only by a bit. Also the fact of the negative health effects of smoke inhalation among other things.

READ IT AGAIN, you read incorrectly and I don't feel like explaining myself again.

[theOperaGhost]

READ IT AGAIN, you read incorrectly and I don't feel like explaining myself again.

I'm still quite confused as to what you are saying? And as to why you are making that an interrogative sentence. Are you asking if using them alone, without any other drugs, will decrease your chance of dying? I don't understand what you are saying, sorry.

[Toilet Water.]

I'm still quite confused as to what you are saying? And as to why you are making that an interrogative sentence. Are you asking if using them alone, without any other drugs, will decrease your chance of dying? I don't understand what you are saying, sorry.


I said using them is irrisponsible, but if you do, it'd be much safer if you used ONE DRUG AT A TIME - don't use other drugs, don't drink alcohol and shit. Get it? Got it? Good. :]

[theOperaGhost]

I said using them is irrisponsible, but if you do, it'd be much safer if you used ONE DRUG AT A TIME - don't use other drugs, don't drink alcohol and shit. Get it? Got it? Good. :]

Oh...ok, I got it now. Correct punctuation would have made it a bit easier to understand, but thanks for explaining what you were saying.

[Truth]

How exactly does it decrease the chance of dying??

Technically it would increase the chance of dying. Using drugs impairs judgment, meaning you don't have the ability to make good decisions. You are more reckless when you are under the influence of drugs, thus increasing the chance of dying, if only by a bit. Also the fact of the negative health effects of smoke inhalation among other things. It reduces the chance of getting cancers, and decreased death rate of people smoking stuff in the shelfs of stores. No one cares though, haha. The only bad thing abotu weed is it making you lazy.

[Toilet Water.]

It reduces the chance of getting cancers, and decreased death rate of people smoking stuff in the shelfs of stores. No one cares though, haha. The only bad thing abotu weed is it making you lazy.

DUDE, I love you. :]

[theOperaGhost]

It reduces the chance of getting cancers, and decreased death rate of people smoking stuff in the shelfs of stores. No one cares though, haha. The only bad thing abotu weed is it making you lazy.

I do not know where any of you get this information...

How in the world does it REDUCE or DECREASE the chance of getting cancer or dying? Cite your sources...and make sure they are legitimate.

[Oblivion]

DUDE, I love you. :]

Please don't spam with random, useless comments.
If you wish to agree, say "I agree, because..."
Thanks.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

It reduces the chance of getting cancers, and decreased death rate of people smoking stuff in the shelfs of stores. No one cares though, haha. The only bad thing abotu weed is it making you lazy.

About cancer and marijuana... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/brain-cancer/news/20090401/marijuana-chemical-may-fight-brain-cancer

There are other bad things besides the laziness of course... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2923647.stm

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html



Hows that? :)

[Truth]

About cancer and marijuana... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/brain-cancer/news/20090401/marijuana-chemical-may-fight-brain-cancer

There are other bad things besides the laziness of course... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2923647.stm

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html



Hows that? :)Hows that? Nice job believing fake media stuff~ I'm sure all the popular kids in my school that smoke weed and arent depressed, totally are depressed, dood. And my parents that smoked it for 25 years totally did suicide, oh wait my dad did because of anti-depressants. By the way, read my earlier post about brain cells. Man, if you don't know people who've done weed and told them what it has done to you, why even bother trying? The government and media, lies buddy.

I do not know where any of you get this information...

How in the world does it REDUCE or DECREASE the chance of getting cancer or dying? Cite your sources...and make sure they are legitimate. Freinds and family, along with 90% of sites on t he internet. Those are my sources, cause people that smoke it obviously wouldnt know what it does after taking it for 25 years, eh? O:

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Hows that? Nice job believing fake media stuff~ I'm sure all the popular kids in my school that smoke weed and arent depressed, totally are depressed, dood. And my parents that smoked it for 25 years totally did suicide, oh wait my dad did because of anti-depressants. By the way, read my earlier post about brain cells. Man, if you don't know people who've done weed and told them what it has done to you, why even bother trying? The government and media, lies buddy.

Half of my friends smoke it, and the majority of them are lazy pricks. The one that isnt can't smoke anymore because Marijuana sends him into fits of psychosis, like an LSD trip. I've smoked it myself and found all those results to be true. Im just an unbiased source, maybe all your bias about 'the man' and 'government lies' sways your opinion on the subject?:rolleyes:

[theOperaGhost]

Hows that? Nice job believing fake media stuff~ I'm sure all the popular kids in my school that smoke weed and arent depressed, totally are depressed, dood. And my parents that smoked it for 25 years totally did suicide, oh wait my dad did because of anti-depressants. By the way, read my earlier post about brain cells. Man, if you don't know people who've done weed and told them what it has done to you, why even bother trying? The government and media, lies buddy.

Freinds and family, along with 90% of sites on t he internet. Those are my sources, cause people that smoke it obviously wouldnt know what it does after taking it for 25 years, eh? O:

Do you believe everything on the internet? I'm not even saying marijuana increases your chance of cancer or anything. I'm simply saying that it is complete BULLSHIT to think it DECREASES or REDUCES any of these risks. NO drug, especially one that is most commonly inhaled/smoked reduces or decreases health risks. Your head is filled with delusional bullshit. It makes NO SENSE to think doing a drug will actually DECREASE your chance of getting cancer or some other health problem.

[Toilet Water.]

Please don't spam with random, useless comments.
If you wish to agree, say "I agree, because..."
Thanks.

Sorry. :[

[Truth]

Do you believe everything on the internet? I'm not even saying marijuana increases your chance of cancer or anything. I'm simply saying that it is complete BULLSHIT to think it DECREASES or REDUCES any of these risks. NO drug, especially one that is most commonly inhaled/smoked reduces or decreases health risks. Your head is filled with delusional bullshit. It makes NO SENSE to think doing a drug will actually DECREASE your chance of getting cancer or some other health problem.

Half of my friends smoke it, and the majority of them are lazy pricks. The one that isnt can't smoke anymore because Marijuana sends him into fits of psychosis, like an LSD trip. I've smoked it myself and found all those results to be true. Im just an unbiased source, maybe all your bias about 'the man' and 'government lies' sways your opinion on the subject?:rolleyes: Some people obviously can't read, you need to learn to. I already said in real life experiences have told me 9/10 the stuff the government says about it is not true, and i already said being lazy is the only main side affect. Your freind obv. has other probs that weed turns on, then haupt. And piano, i'm guessing you know no one who's done weed their whole life, or done it at all, so i wouldnt talk.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Some people obviously can't read, you need to learn to. I already said in real life experiences have told me 9/10 the stuff the government says about it is not true, and i already said being lazy is the only main side affect. Your freind obv. has other probs that weed turns on, then haupt. And piano, i'm guessing you know no one who's done weed their whole life, or done it at all, so i wouldnt talk.

You must have had some interesting experiances with it then, Because all of my time with it has proved the government right. And even if the govnmnt was wrong, what reason do they have to lie?:rolleyes:

[Truth]

You must have had some interesting experiances with it then, Because all of my time with it has proved the government right. And even if the govnmnt was wrong, what reason do they have to lie?:rolleyes: Not me, but many people i know have. I've never done a drug and never will. And, what reason do they have not to lie? No one accept them can answer that.

[Oblivion]

Hows that? Nice job believing fake media stuff~ I'm sure all the popular kids in my school that smoke weed and arent depressed, totally are depressed, dood. And my parents that smoked it for 25 years totally did suicide, oh wait my dad did because of anti-depressants. By the way, read my earlier post about brain cells. Man, if you don't know people who've done weed and told them what it has done to you, why even bother trying? The government and media, lies buddy.

Freinds and family, along with 90% of sites on t he internet. Those are my sources, cause people that smoke it obviously wouldnt know what it does after taking it for 25 years, eh? O:

Would you please link the sites you got your info from? I see no evidence, other than your thought that 90% of the websites on the internet advertise how weed is good for you.

PS: Why was your dad on anti depressants? Maybe because of weed in the first place?

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Not me, but many people i know have. I've never done a drug and never will. And, what reason do they have not to lie? No one accept them can answer that.

So... you'd rather believe a couple pot-head friends than groups of internationally-accredited scientists?

[Truth]

So... you'd rather believe a couple pot-head friends than groups of internationally-accreditted scientists? Did you not see where i said 'My mother and father did pot for over 25 years', and my mom is no longer a pot head and my dads, gone because of anti-depressants. O.o So neither you nor shattered has read my posts. I'm done arguing, cause i dont think this is the proper section for it.

And my dad was on anti depressants for the fact he was abused his whole child hood, got in an accident leading him to start taking alot of pain killers, then they put him on anti-depressants (Not his choice) He did suicide, acouple weeks later.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Did you not see where i said 'My mother and father did pot for over 25 years', and my mom is no longer a pot head and my dads, gone because of anti-depressants. O.o So neither you nor shattered has read my posts. I'm done arguing, cause i dont think this is the proper section for it.

I read that. But you also said 'many people i know have'. Mom and Dad arent many people.. SO i can safely assume there are others

[Truth]

I read that. But you also said 'many people i know have'. Mom and Dad arent many people.. SO i can safely assume there are others Yup, the seniors in my school that do fine in school and are pretty awesome people. O.o Anyways, im not gonna post anymore, cause no one here has an open mind, meaning there's nothing arguing will do.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Yup, the seniors in my school that do fine in school and are pretty awesome people. O.o Anyways, im not gonna post anymore, cause no one here has an open mind, meaning there's nothing arguing will do.

You havent given any evidence! You say you have an open mind but you dont listen to anything we have to say you just peddle your own position

[theOperaGhost]

Some people obviously can't read, you need to learn to. I already said in real life experiences have told me 9/10 the stuff the government says about it is not true, and i already said being lazy is the only main side affect. Your freind obv. has other probs that weed turns on, then haupt. And piano, i'm guessing you know no one who's done weed their whole life, or done it at all, so i wouldnt talk.

On the contrary. Nearly all of my class and the class below mine smokes weed. To be honest, the best friends I've ever had were pot heads. My best friend has done nearly every drug (however she's avoided the hardcore stuff like coke, meth, LSD, etc...).

One friend nearly died. He ended up living in his car. One night he had a drug induced seizure which nearly killed him. He has since stopped drinking and doing drugs. He says drugs is the worst thing that has ever happened to him. Drugs have pretty much made him hate the only thing he is good at, hockey, because EVERYONE on the hockey team is a pot head (he was the biggest pot head in town until he nearly died). Pot nearly ended his life and it most certainly ruined it.

Just because I've never smoked it myself doesn't mean shit. Don't make assumptions about me. I don't talk if I don't have the information, so don't tell me not to talk.

[Oblivion]

Yup, the seniors in my school that do fine in school and are pretty awesome people. O.o Anyways, im not gonna post anymore, cause no one here has an open mind, meaning there's nothing arguing will do.

I would open my mind if you gave at least one credible source, other than pothead friends, and real life experience, that could be made up, since it is after all the internet.
Websites, book references, scientists references, health rep. references... Any would nice.

And I honestly doubt the government would lie about weed. Any non government scientist would have definitely opened the US eyes by now.

[HPstoner]

I would open my mind if you gave at least one credible source, other than pothead friends, and real life experience, that could be made up, since it is after all the internet.
Websites, book references, scientists references, health rep. references... Any would nice.

And I honestly doubt the government would lie about weed. Any non government scientist would have definitely opened the US eyes by now.
For every study that says weed does this, there is a study that says it doesn't. I have smoked weed everyday for as long as I can remember. The only negative effect I can think of would have to be my cough/lungs which is also from me smoking cigarettes for as long as I have smoked weed.

Someone mentioned that weed is a gateway drug. If weed is, then so is every other recreational drug. It does make make you retarded nor does it cause or lead to depression. Ive heard it kills brain cells which is most likely true, although I also heard it promotes the growth of brain cells. Either way I have seen no increase or decrease in my marks or intelligence since I started smoking weed.

Just sayin'...

[Koman]

I would open my mind if you gave at least one credible source, other than pothead friends, and real life experience, that could be made up, since it is after all the internet.
Websites, book references, scientists references, health rep. references... Any would nice.

And I honestly doubt the government would lie about weed. Any non government scientist would have definitely opened the US eyes by now.
Obviously another kid brainwashed by that retarded above the influence crap. Marijuana has never killed anyone, this forces those dumb commercials to say stuff like you will let people draw on your face or make your frienda find their own ride home which seems safer to me by not driving high. The government wants to make weed look bad because if it wasnt portrayed as so horrible everyone would demand it it be legalized rather than just stoners (or educated people) and this would destroy other major companies such as farming. Marijuana would bring in more money to the us than any other business, period. I highly suggest the uneducated to watch a movie called "the union : the business behind getting high" you can fine it on youtube qnd no it is not a stoner movie but instead a documentary on marijuana.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

For every study that says weed does this, there is a study that says it doesn't. I have smoked weed everyday for as long as I can remember. The only negative effect I can think of would have to be my cough/lungs which is also from me smoking cigarettes for as long as I have smoked weed.

Someone mentioned that weed is a gateway drug. If weed is, then so is every other recreational drug. It does make make you retarded nor does it cause or lead to depression. Ive heard it kills brain cells which is most likely true, although I also heard it promotes the growth of brain cells. Either way I have seen no increase or decrease in my marks or intelligence since I started smoking weed.

Just sayin'...

Obviously another kid brainwashed by that retarded above the influence crap. Marijuana has never killed anyone, this forces those dumb commercials to say stuff like you will let people draw on your face or make your frienda find their own ride home which seems safer to me by not driving high. The government wants to make weed look bad because if it wasnt portrayed as so horrible everyone would demand it it be legalized rather than just stoners (or educated people) and this would destroy other major companies such as farming. Marijuana would bring in more money to the us than any other business, period. I highly suggest the uneducated to watch a movie called "the union : the business behind getting high" you can fine it on youtube qnd no it is not a stoner movie but instead a documentary on marijuana.


HP Stoner: Weed affects everyone diferently. Smoking pot your whole life might not affect you, the same as some ppl drinking a gallon of whiskey a day and having healthy livers. What might be fine for you could lead to serious health problems for others. Its totally subjective.

Weed doesnt make you retarded, it just slows down your thinking process, sometimes permanently. It's a gateway drug because once you try weed, you get into the 'drug using' crowd, and then they offer you stuff to get a better high, and usually people try it.

And it has been proven to kill brain cells. Growing them is just bullshit, you can't 'regrow' brain cells after they're lost

Koman: There's nothing wrong with being above the influence, does it bother you that others wont lower themselves by doing drugs?

AND MARIJUANA HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE?? How about the drug wars in Mexico over Marijuana, where 100's are being slaughtered so they can make millions off the trade? How about the gang killings in NY over turf so they can sell more crack and weed? All those people have been killed by Marijuana. Not to mention the users who get into car accidents because they've been smoking! jesus...

[Nihilus]

I don't know if it does that, but it still harms you in other ways. It harms you lungs and other parts of your body.

[HPstoner]

Have you ever smoked marijuana Hauptmann Kauffman?

[Koman]

HP Stoner: Weed affects everyone diferently. Smoking pot your whole life might not affect you, the same as some ppl drinking a gallon of whiskey a day and having healthy livers. What might be fine for you could lead to serious health problems for others. Its totally subjective.

Weed doesnt make you retarded, it just slows down your thinking process, sometimes permanently. It's a gateway drug because once you try weed, you get into the 'drug using' crowd, and then they offer you stuff to get a better high, and usually people try it.

And it has been proven to kill brain cells. Growing them is just bullshit, you can't 'regrow' brain cells after they're lost

Koman: There's nothing wrong with being above the influence, does it bother you that others wont lower themselves by doing drugs?

AND MARIJUANA HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE?? How about the drug wars in Mexico over Marijuana, where 100's are being slaughtered so they can make millions off the trade? How about the gang killings in NY over turf so they can sell more crack and weed? All those people have been killed by Marijuana. Not to mention the users who get into car accidents because they've been smoking! jesus...

You can be killed just driving normally aswell... Also those gangsters and mexicans are not being killed directly as a result of marijuana, we are discussing the the drug itself and its effects under its use, we are nit discussing retarded people who cant help but kill people becuase they want mo ney. Half of the people here cannot even argue about marijuana seeing as they have never used it, you cant argue something off of other peoples' facts and findings. You have to experience things for yourself. Oh and yes 0 people killed as a direct result if marijuana. If they choose to go and drive and get in a car accident it is again their fault not the drug's fault. You cant overdose on marijuana, EVER. You could smoke every nugget of ganja in the world and you would probably just fall asleep. More people have died from caffiene than they have marijuana.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Have you ever smoked marijuana Hauptmann Kauffman?

Yes, I have, quite a bit. There's a whole summer i barely remember because i wasted it smoking bowl after bowl of weed. I have alot of experiance with it.

You can be killed just driving normally aswell... Also those gangsters and mexicans are not being killed directly as a result of marijuana, we are discussing the the drug itself and its effects under its use, we are nit discussing retarded people who cant help but kill people becuase they want mo ney. Half of the people here cannot even argue about marijuana seeing as they have never used it, you cant argue something off of other peoples' facts and findings. You have to experience things for yourself. Oh and yes 0 people killed as a direct result if marijuana. If they choose to go and drive and get in a car accident it is again their fault not the drug's fault. You cant overdose on marijuana, EVER. You could smoke every nugget of ganja in the world and you would probably just fall asleep. More people have died from caffiene than they have marijuana.

You cant be killed by 'normal' driving. There are always other factors that mess with driving, marijuana being one of them. And of course its the drugs fault! Marijuana impairs judgement! Its like saying that screwing that ugly shick was a conscious choice even though you were drunk off your ass! It's a stupid argument. You're right, you cant overdose, but over time it does lasting damage. Just because it doesnt have serious short term effects doesnt mean its ok to use. And give me ONE example of someone who died from Caffeine:rolleyes:

And we are talking about people who are hurt or killed as a result of marijuana. The thousands who are killed because of its heavy demand and want are direct victims of marijuana and marijuana users, just like Americans who buy diamonds are directly responsible for funding the diamond mines. Its a deadly circle. And as i stated before, Ive experianced it before. And 'other peoples facts and findings' are perfectly valid to use. Honestly, we can only use our own data? Thats just retarded. Where would we be scientifically if poeple could only use personal experiance to explain their opinions?:yawn:

[Commander Thor]

And give me ONE example of someone who died from Caffeine:rolleyes:


Oh, hi. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2617841
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15935584
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251173

Need me to find more?

[Koman]

Oh, hi. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2617841
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15935584
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251173

Need me to find more?


Same thing i was gonna do :P

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Huh, ok, people have died from water as well, big deal. All my points still stand

[Koman]

Huh, ok, people have died from water as well, big deal. All my points still stand
Can i get a neat and organized list of your points so i can properly dismantle them?

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Marijuana does lasting damage

Marijuana kills

Those are two of my main points/FACTS I have used quite a bit.

[A.J.]

The only thing that slows down when high is your patience for food to cook. Seriously though, no. Their aren't any physical harms.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

The only thing that slows down when high is your patience for food to cook. Seriously though, no. Their aren't any physical harms.

Yes there are quite a few. It kills brain cells, eliminates memory processes, and when smoked does serious lung damage.

[A.J.]

Yes there are quite a few. It kills brain cells, eliminates memory processes, and when smoked does serious lung damage.

Actually the lung damage is not as bad as most people think. I don't believe for a minute that brain cells are killed, and memory loss is temporary. There aren't any effects unless your high. All effects when high go away forever...unless you smoke more

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Actually the lung damage is not as bad as most people think. I don't believe for a minute that brain cells are killed, and memory loss is temporary. There aren't any effects unless your high. All effects when high go away forever...unless you smoke more

Not true, one marijuana cigarette has at least double the tar as a normal tobacco cigarette. And it doesnt matter what you believe, the facts and the studies are there that prove you lose brain cells. Memory loss isnt temporary, I've forgotten a whole summer and my dad barely remembers any of his weed smoking. Most of my friends cant remember what they did when they were high either. There are long term effects

[Koman]

Marijuana does lasting damage

Marijuana kills

Those are two of my main points/FACTS I have used quite a bit.

If you dont mind me asking seeing you have used pot "quite a bit" what lon lasting affects have you suffered? I have been smoking for 3 years daily. No smokers cough, no grade drop (3.5 gpa btw) But obviously there must be something because marijuana is just terrible, no noticible affects, maybe i just smoked so much i fried my brain like modern ad campaigns would like to make us believe. Maybe i went out driving and ran over someone on the road and just dont remember but alas i havent. Anyone runs the risk of being killed by simply stepping outside. Anything can happen and that is why you cant say marijuana is at fault. Marijuana does not impare your driving skills and does not put pedestrians any more in the line of fire any more than sober driving could. Maijuana is nowbere near as dangerous as alchohol or meth or crack while driving.

When has marijuana killed anyone, Never.

Alchohol kills hundreds of thousands a year.
Marijuana has never directly killed someone. You cant overdose on it. If gangs want to kill people over pot and money, its not the drugs fault it is the person. Marijuana doesnt kill people, people kill people. If you can find an article where someone overdoses on marijuana i will stop debating. But seeing as it has never happened, i would quit debating.

Oh and on the subject of whats worse cigs or pot, pot doesnt have glass, arsenic or cyanide inside of it along with a scroll of other misc. Addictive chemicals added. There is no possible way for you to be inorant enough to try and make cigs sound better that pot.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

If you dont mind me asking seeing you have used pot "quite a bit" what lon lasting affects have you suffered? I have been smoking for 3 years daily. No smokers cough, no grade drop (3.5 gpa btw) But obviously there must be something because marijuana is just terrible, no noticible affects, maybe i just smoked so much i fried my brain like modern ad campaigns would like to make us believe. Maybe i went out driving and ran over someone on the road and just dont remember but alas i havent. Anyone runs the risk of being killed by simply stepping outside. Anything can happen and that is why you cant say marijuana is at fault. Marijuana does not impare your driving skills and does not put pedestrians any more in the line of fire any more than sober driving could. Maijuana is nowbere near as dangerous as alchohol or meth or crack while driving.

When has marijuana killed anyone, Never.

Alchohol kills hundreds of thousands a year.
Marijuana has never directly killed someone. You cant overdose on it. If gangs want to kill people over pot and money, its not the drugs fault it is the person. Marijuana doesnt kill people, people kill people. If you can find an article where someone overdoses on marijuana i will stop debating. But seeing as it has never happened, i would quit debating.

Oh and on the subject of whats worse cigs or pot, pot doesnt have glass, arsenic or cyanide inside of it along with a scroll of other misc. Addictive chemicals added. There is no possible way for you to be inorant enough to try and make cigs sound better that pot.

1) I havent suffered long term effects because i havent smoked consistently for awhile. But people that i know who have smoked for 5+ years are always affected in some way shape or form. It may not be immediate, but it WILL happen.

2) Marijuana and Driving http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=233

Marijuana and the workplace http://www.drugabuse.gov/Nida_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html

Its been proven to impair driving skills in all the ways shown in my links.

3) By smoking Marijuana you and all the others are creating a high demand for the drug. Where the hell do you think the drugs come from? A factory? NO, they are grown by gangsters and potheads and distributed by dangerous criminals who kill eachother over this shit. All because YOU and your friends want to smoke Weed and get high. YOU are DIRECTLY killing people through your actions.

4) Cigs are overall worse than pot, but in some ways cigs are better for you. And pot can have all sorts of things in it, depending on who you buy it from. Pot can be laced with heroin, meth, glass, etc. It all depends.

[Koman]

Pot is almost never laced with anythig why? No dealer is going to blow 100 bucks of cocaine just to sprinkle on a 45 dollar bag of weed for no apparent reason. Laced weed is rare and would probably only happen if the dealer had a grudge for some reason.

Being cold can impair your driving abilities as well. Those tests are nothing with the tiny trial sizes they do. Any ways i dont trust he government on info about illegal thints. Also get ready becuase marijuana will be legalized sson. California is about ready to pass the bill for legal herb in their stat (about 55-45% vote) and it is said they have huge huge boats prepared to have weed being delivered within 24 hours of the bill/law being passed. Yes, the weed is already packed up on the boats. It is said to take them out of their 2 million ( i think) dollar debt within a year. The rest of the country will be forced to follow in order to end the recession. Who would have known the thing that most people (like you(no offense)) hate would fix the economy. Even you know it is going to happen and their is no disputing that. So when that happens all those crazy mom created companies against pot such as sbove the influence will go bankrupt and i will love it.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Pot is almost never laced with anythig why? No dealer is going to blow 100 bucks of cocaine just to sprinkle on a 45 dollar bag of weed for no apparent reason. Laced weed is rare and would probably only happen if the dealer had a grudge for some reason.

Being cold can impair your driving abilities as well. Those tests are nothing with the tiny trial sizes they do. Any ways i dont trust he government on info about illegal thints. Also get ready becuase marijuana will be legalized sson. California is about ready to pass the bill for legal herb in their stat (about 55-45% vote) and it is said they have huge huge boats prepared to have weed being delivered within 24 hours of the bill/law being passed. Yes, the weed is already packed up on the boats. It is said to take them out of their 2 million ( i think) dollar debt within a year. The rest of the country will be forced to follow in order to end the recession. Who would have known the thing that most people (like you(no offense)) hate would fix the economy. Even you know it is going to happen and their is no disputing that. So when that happens all those crazy mom created companies against pot such as sbove the influence will go bankrupt and i will love it.

There's no point in debating someone who wont look at the facts. Go ahead and smoke your life away, waste your $ on pot, enjoy supporting murderous thugs. Have fun with that. I am going to live my life safe, healthy, and drug free.

Now, if anyone can actually provide good arguments for debate, im happy to discuss it :)

[INFERNO]

Marijuana does lasting damage

The lasting damage is debatable. There is a correlation between testicular cancer and marijuanna, so you could argue that as some lasting damage, however, the results are correlational and in some studies are inconclusive.

Marijuana kills

Prove it. Show me a case where marijuanna alone, with no other factors at all, such as driving, resulted in death, ideally of a perfectly healthy person. There have been studies where they estimated the amount of marijuanna needed to kill, and it's a ridiculous amount that you'd probably need an i.v. injection of or smoke numerous joints all at once in less than 15-20 minutes. So, give me a case with sources (if it's some story you heard from your friend or such stuff, if it cannot be verified then it's heresay and bullshit).

You gave two links showing marijuanna decreases performance and cognition. That's fine, however, from the first link:

"It is difficult to establish a relationship between a person's THC blood or plasma concentration and performance impairing effects.[...]

So, why you are claiming that it's a fact that it affects driving I'm not sure on. The link you gave didn't say for sure that it did, it gave some evidence for it but that evidence was not conclusive as for low amounts, it will have a lesser effect, thus much less likely to be in an accident. If you take very high doses, then it can be argued that it does, however, that is not an argument that marijuanna kills. It's an argument that very high amounts of marijuanna kills but low amounts do not.

Those are two of my main points/FACTS I have used quite a bit.

Those are far from being a fact. If they were a fact, then there would be immense evidence showing that, and that no matter what happens, that effect will occur. As of yet, no such thing exists for marijuanna. So, all you have are points, only one of which has some evidence for.

[Koman]

There's no point in debating someone who wont look at the facts. Go ahead and smoke your life away, waste your $ on pot, enjoy supporting murderous thugs. Have fun with that. I am going to live my life safe, healthy, and drug free.

Now, if anyone can actually provide good arguments for debate, im happy to discuss it :)

You have no facts all of yours are not facts.

Pot kills? Really? No.

Oh and dont support murderous thugs? Have fun buying a diamond for that special lady you will eventually have.

[Cindex]

I do a lot of research about marijuana for school. Turns out a lot of teachers don't care if I use it as a topic. Even talked to a few doctors for projects.

*Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells.
*Marijuana hurts your memory. For up to three days there's slight impairment of short term memory, but almost no effect on long term.
*Marijuana does have near twice the tar of tobacco, but it's different. The tar is not the same.
*Marijuana lasts MUCH longer than tobacco, therefore much less is needed.
*Marijuana isn't mentally addicting. To become physically addicted, you must smoke it consistently for years.

I'm all for marijuana really, but I don't like to be biased about it. It hurts your lungs. It's not good for you. People have died from driving while high. Cruel people manage the growth and production.

Actually, I'm currently doing a project on the violence involving the growth of marijuana. Oftentimes it's grown in public places, so if it's found the grower won't be suspect because it's on their land. In these places, hooks are hung at eye level, bear and fox traps are set, and many other booby traps are created to keep not only rivals out, but also the average person.

Give me some other points if you wish, and if I don't have the answers I'll find them.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

okay guys, settle down.

Marijuana kills braincells, just like everything. tones of braincells die every day. It's really not that big a deal.
Marijuana ALONE has NO recorded fatalities. Even with alcohol, you can get alcohol poising and such. Driving under the influence of ANYTHING is NEVER a good idea.
Marijuana is mentally addictive, just like everything

[spanky]

Look guys ill be honest and quite blunt. Yes i have smoked weed, and I might do it once a month or LESS, I have noticed no changes in my body. (besides your normal puberty) but with my brain, i tend to be able to look at stuff longer, pay attention more. Now im not saying this is from the effects on marijuana but im just saying. And i was asking because i have friends that do it all the time.


And me personally, i do not think weed is a DRUG, more of a herb
I say this because...
Cocaine
Crack
Pills, None of those are REALLY natrual..now marijuana, From what i know is grown in the 7 leaf or whatever plant then the BUDS are picked off and dried, then sold to the potsmokers. Seems pretty natural? now lets take a look at ciggarettes. Its basically the same thing, DRIED UP tobbaco leaves put into a roll, so marijuana is not much different then your average smokes in my opinion. They make you high yes. They damage your lungs but doesnt ciggarettes also? and it doesn't make you violent/dangerous like some things do (alcohol) but more relaxed and easy going. Now i see nothing wrong with smoking every now and then i do and see no changes, Most of these people believe what the MEDIA and everything says which they WANT YOU TO BELIEVE it is very bad for you, when its not even that bad its been hyped up so much to be connected to so many bizzare things but all it has connections to is bad lungs and like half of the americans already have bad lungs from ciggarettes then your going to say "well weed damages it more"... Does that really matter? in the longrun a pot smoker and a ciggarete smoker will have bad lungs both of them, also killing braincells? they can replenish, You guys make a big deal out of stuff thats not a big deal. It is illegal because back when immigrants first started coming here from mexico and stuff were bringing it to sell, then we didnt want many immigrants so they BLAMED the weed for the bad things people were doing which made people not want to immigrants to come. <--- if that statement is wrong CONTACT THE HISTORY CHANNEL, that is where i learned that. Weed isnt good for you but it certaintly isnt one of those terrible drugs people think it is.

[Koman]

i agree with most of your post except where you say ciggaretts are just dried tobacco leaves, where actually they add chemicals such as arsenic, cyanide, acetic acid, tar, glass, aswell as the other 601 ingrediants just to make them addictive. I would pick weed over ciggarettes anyday. I dont want all of that chemical soup in my lungs. With weed i know what im getting. If you smoke lawn clippings long enough you are going to have lung problems aswell.

[spanky]

Yeah, i dont know all the igrediants in cigs, but the point im trying to get across is marijunana is NATURAL, god put it here, if he didnt want people to use it it wouldnt be here. It is a NATURAL PLANT natives used it!

[Koman]

Yeah, i dont know all the igrediants in cigs, but the point im trying to get across is marijunana is NATURAL, god put it here, if he didnt want people to use it it wouldnt be here. It is a NATURAL PLANT natives used it!
My views exactly.

[spanky]

Which makes you awsome, and not like all these other people >_>

[theOperaGhost]

Which makes you awsome, and not like all these other people >_>

It's awesome to smoke pot? I don't see the appeal. Why use something mind altering in the first place...stupid..

[Koman]

It's awesome to smoke pot? I don't see the appeal. Why use something mind altering in the first place...stupid..
Its recretional dude, and yes it is awsome to smoke pot. What do you like to do for fun? Whatever it is, it is retarded.

[theOperaGhost]

Its recretional dude, and yes it is awsome to smoke pot. What do you like to do for fun? Whatever it is, it is retarded.

Yay, I'm a retard!

No, what I like to do for fun is not retarded. If I liked to sit around with my useless friends and get doped up, then yes, it would be, but I don't really find that all too fun...

[Koman]

Yay, I'm a retard!

No, what I like to do for fun is not retarded. If I liked to sit around with my useless friends and get doped up, then yes, it would be, but I don't really find that all too fun...

Well if im sitting around playing games or having my girl over how am i hurting you or causing problems for you? If i decide to smoke weed and live my day high how does that harm you? Answer me this.

[spanky]

Yay, I'm a retard!

No, what I like to do for fun is not retarded. If I liked to sit around with my useless friends and get doped up, then yes, it would be, but I don't really find that all too fun...




Hey asshole, i didnt say its awsome to smoke pot did i!? no i didnt get your shit right. I said he is awsome because of his opinions ABOUT SMOKING POT. i'm tired of people on here like you, that puts words in other peoples mouth in order to make them look like they are right and/or know what they are talking about.

so find another way to be an asshole and stop judging people about there opinions,

~spanky

[theOperaGhost]

Well if im sitting around playing games or having my girl over how am i hurting you or causing problems for you? If i decide to smoke weed and live my day high how does that harm you? Answer me this.

You may not harm me, however you could harm someone else, or most likely yourself. But, what do I care about that, I guess...

Hey asshole, i didnt say its awsome to smoke pot did i!? no i didnt get your shit right. I said he is awsome because of his opinions ABOUT SMOKING POT. i'm tired of people on here like you, that puts words in other peoples mouth in order to make them look like they are right and/or know what they are talking about.

so find another way to be an asshole and stop judging people about there opinions,

~spanky

I don't see any reason for you to call me an asshole. You might be tired of assholes like me putting words in your mouth (which I really didn't), but I'm tired of fucking pot heads thinking it's alright to smoke pot. I don't need to search for another way to be an asshole...I enjoy pissing pot heads like you off very much so.

Oh, by the way, you quoted the wrong post. The post of mine you quoted has nothing to do with what you are saying to me. FAIL.

[spanky]

You may not harm me, however you could harm someone else, or most likely yourself. But, what do I care about that, I guess...



I don't see any reason for you to call me an asshole. You might be tired of assholes like me putting words in your mouth (which I really didn't), but I'm tired of fucking pot heads thinking it's alright to smoke pot. I don't need to search for another way to be an asshole...I enjoy pissing pot heads like you off very much so.

Oh, by the way, you quoted the wrong post. The post of mine you quoted has nothing to do with what you are saying to me. FAIL.



I have many reasons to call you an asshole, first you LIKE to piss off these so called "pot heads" where if you read earlier in the post i do it mabye once a month, so your defenition of pothead is wrong, Also you did put words in my mouth by saying that i think it is awsome that he smokes pot. QUOTE WHERE I SAID THAT i would like to see it. I said "thats what makes you awsome unlike these other people >_> commenting on his opinion



And i just quoted the one that had your name on it? so, once again ASSHOLE prove me wrong, try to sound smart. But your just making yourself look more stupid.

~spanky

[Gumleaf]

thats enough! from this point on this thread stays on topic with no fighting. if anyone continues this arguing you can expect an infraction, ok. remember, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but everyone is also entitled to have their opinion respected, even if you do disagree with it. remember that, ok.

[Koman]

Well, i have not hurt anyonw with my smoking yet, nor has anyone i know. Side effects of pot... Hungry, laughy, sleepy. Which ine of thise puts anybody in harms way. Whn i smoke weed i dont say "oh lets shoot up our school". I say "hey lets play some xbox" or "hey im hungry as shit, taco bell time"

[spanky]

look sorry for being so rude. But that oprah guy is saying stuff that is totally not true, calling me a pothead, and saying i think its awsome to smoke pot. Which non of the above are true. I don't like people saying stuff to try to make them self sound more smart. He is just lets put it this way "closed-minded"

~spanky

Ps: what is an infraction? i am still kinda new here.

[theOperaGhost]

Well, i have not hurt anyonw with my smoking yet, nor has anyone i know. Side effects of pot... Hungry, laughy, sleepy. Which ine of thise puts anybody in harms way. Whn i smoke weed i dont say "oh lets shoot up our school". I say "hey lets play some xbox" or "hey im hungry as shit, taco bell time"

That's great for you. I know people who have hurt themselves and others while high, simply because they were high. Just because nothing has happened to you yet, doesn't mean nothing will ever happen.

[spanky]

That's great for you. I know people who have hurt themselves and others while high, simply because they were high. Just because nothing has happened to you yet, doesn't mean nothing will ever happen.


When you are high you don't want to do anything but chill, laugh, eat, and sleep. What are you gonna hurt yourself with? you make weed sound like its PCP or something. irritating..

[theOperaGhost]

When you are high you don't want to do anything but chill, laugh, eat, and sleep. What are you gonna hurt yourself with? you make weed sound like its PCP or something. irritating..

Explain the people I know who decided it would be a good idea to ghost ride their cars while high...Sounds safe, doesn't it?

[Commander Thor]

That's great for you. I know people who have hurt themselves and others while high, simply because they were high. Just because nothing has happened to you yet, doesn't mean nothing will ever happen.

Are you sure it was pure marijuana? And it wasn't laced with another drug?
I've seen a couple friends hurt themselves using tainted marijuana. But never pure marijuana, pure un-fooled around with marijuana will not cause you to harm yourself or others.

[spanky]

Hmm, those people sound stupid. Because i know ALOT of people that smoke, so either my friends are really smart but im sure thats not it. So the people you know might not be very bright. No offence

[theOperaGhost]

Are you sure it was pure marijuana? And it wasn't laced with another drug?
I've seen a couple friends hurt themselves using tainted marijuana. But never pure marijuana, pure un-fooled around with marijuana will not cause you to harm yourself or others.

And how many of you, unless you're growing it yourself, actually know it is pure marijuana?

And to Spanky...no, I have no problem admitting that they were complete dumbasses. They weren't my friends, just people I went to high school with. Just because they were complete dumbasses doesn't make them ride a car however, the pot definitely helped.

[Koman]

Explain the people I know who decided it would be a good idea to ghost ride their cars while high...Sounds safe, doesn't it?

Thats not even safe sober. Its not even cool either lol. It is those people who give marijuana a bad name.

[Commander Thor]

And how many of you, unless you're growing it yourself, actually know it is pure marijuana?

I know it's pure because me and most of my friends get locally grown pot, and most of us actually know the grower.

[spanky]

And i know that the pot i get is not laced because the the guy i smoke with his older brother smokes it before us to make sure. I can trust him, and i don't know about you but i have no problems trusting people.

[Koman]

And how many of you, unless you're growing it yourself, actually know it is pure marijuana?

And to Spanky...no, I have no problem admitting that they were complete dumbasses. They weren't my friends, just people I went to high school with. Just because they were complete dumbasses doesn't make them ride a car however, the pot definitely helped.

This isnt meth, its not mind altering in that way. Have you ever smoked pot? And i know it was pure pot because other drugs cost a lot and no dealer would sprinkle pcp or coke on weed just for giggles.

[theOperaGhost]

Thats not even safe sober. Its not even cool either lol. It is those people who give marijuana a bad name.

Exactly...it's not safe sober...do you think they would have done it sober? No...they may have been complete dumbasses like I said, but they weren't that dumb. I don't think they give pot a bad name...I think pot gives it to itself. I think if it were legal, it would be less of a problem, but I don't want to be driving anywhere if it is....I'm not driving around with the risk of getting hit by a drunk driver OR a stoned driver. That would be a terrible day, because I like driving too much to give it up for that shit.

I know pot isn't meth... (good stuff, by the way...)

No matter how much you trust a person, they could have still tainted it...

[Koman]

Exactly...it's not safe sober...do you think they would have done it sober? No...they may have been complete dumbasses like I said, but they weren't that dumb. I don't think they give pot a bad name...I think pot gives it to itself. I think if it were legal, it would be less of a problem, but I don't want to be driving anywhere if it is....I'm not driving around with the risk of getting hit by a drunk driver OR a stoned driver. That would be a terrible day, because I like driving too much to give it up for that shit.
For you to make accusations like that you need to try pot. Pot doesnt impair driving, it actually is similar to my sober driving (good). Marijuana doesnt make you say oh hey lets ghost ride da whip. No, being a retard prior to smoking does. I have a feeling alcohol played a small role here aswell.

[spanky]

Look oprah, we know we can't change your thoughts on it.. But for one moment stop being so narrow-minded and listed to what us "pot-heads" have to say.. -_-

[Oblivion]

Excuse me. Stephen made it clear that no personal attacks were going to be aloud in this thread. Please. Keep to debating, not calling each other different derogatory things. This is a second warning, one by me, one by Stephen.

For spanky: This (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?p=344391#post344391) explains infractions.

[INFERNO]

Pot doesnt impair driving

Some studies would like to disagree...

In a laboratory study at NIDA's Addiction Research Center in Baltimore that controlled for alcohol's confounding effect, Dr. Heishman tested marijuana's effects on the functional components of driving. Study subjects smoked a marijuana cigarette, waited 10 minutes, then smoked another cigarette. Both cigarettes contained either 0, 1.8, or 3.6 percent THC. Twenty minutes after smoking the cigarettes, the subjects were given a standard sobriety test similar to a roadside sobriety test. The test showed that marijuana significantly impaired their ability to stand on one leg for 30 seconds or touch their finger to their nose. As the dose of THC increased, the subjects swayed more, raised their arms, and had to put their feet down in an attempt to maintain their balance. Subjects also committed 2.5 times more errors when they attempted to touch their nose with their finger.

The data from these laboratory studies show that marijuana impairs balance and coordination - functional components important to driving - in a dose-related way, said Dr. Heishman. These effects may be related to reported marijuana-induced impairment of automobile driving, he stated. http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/marijuana.html

And some conclusions from another study...

Marijuana smoking impairs fundamental road tracking ability with the degree if impairment increasing as a function of the consumed THC dose.

* Marijuana smoking which delivers THC up to a 300 ug/kg dose slightly impairs the ability to maintain a constant headway while following another car.

* A low THC dose (100 ug/kg) does not impair driving ability in urban traffic to the same extent as a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of 0.04g%.

* Drivers under the influence of marijuana tend to over-estimate the adverse effects of the drug on their driving quality and compensate when they can; e.g. by increasing effort to accomplish the task, increasing headway or slowing down, or a combination of these.

* Drivers under the influence of alcohol tend to under-estimate the adverse effects of the drug on their driving quality and do not invest compensatory effort. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/dot78_1.htm

Conclusion: Marijuana does affect driving, however, the amount of adverse affect depends on the amount of marijuana taken. Small doses do not adversely affect, whereas large doses do affect.

For those who simply say "it kills braincells", there are many kinds of brain cells, there are neurons and glial cells, which include astrocytes, Schwann cells, oligodendrocytes, satillite cells, ependyml cells, etc... . It's not something that simply kills random types of cells. Yes brain cells can die, however, neurons in the brain cannot easily grow back. They can heal as can the glial cells, however, they cannot spontaneously grow back without causing a neoplasm or a tumour in the brain. If they are destroyed, not damaged but full-blown destroyed, then they don't grow back easily.

[spanky]

Look oprah, we know we can't change your thoughts on it.. But for one moment stop being so narrow-minded and listed to what us "pot-heads" have to say.. -_-



Is that what is considered bad behavior?

[WEO]

Well guys I think searching the internet for studies about Marijuana is not the way to go about it. Why? You can find what you WANT to find about it. There are just so many studies which show this and then studies that show the opposite. But what I can tell you is that propaganda on "Marijuana" have definitely been released for the public years back by goverments and greedy,selfish people and worst part is people still believe most of it and also some still support it! Like who? ALOT OF PEOPLE! one is Pharmacies, they make huge profits out of drug testing, they also don't want you to grow your own medicine.

You really cant compare it to alcohol and what not. Talking from personal experience alcohol is waaaaay worse than Marijuana can be for you. Medical marijuana is being legalized all over the US now almost, for something as simple as back pain or whatever! A simple way to put is: a high person would say "Hey man lets go play some PC, watch a movie, eat some pizza and sleep" a drunk person would be like "Hey man did you just look MY GIRL? ILL FUCK YOU UP". I mean if thats legal how the fuck can something like weed be Illegal!

one thing I'd suggest though is watching a new Documentary called. "The Union: The business behind getting high" It really covers EVERYTHING about MJ. like how it became illegal in the first place etc. etc. really good documentary.

[Koman]

I agree, the union us an excellent documentary.

[NightFighter]

Weed is legal in Amsterdam :D
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They sell it in Cafes

[Zephyr]

This thread has gone way off topic from what the OP is asking.
If the original poster wants it unlocked, then they can contact me.
~Locked