Incest

[1337 Man]

Is there any good argument against it, other than "It's disgusting"?

[Whisper]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

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Why are you askin this?

[1337 Man]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.

[Whisper]

Don't worry Thomas he's just mad cause he's losing the battle in other debates about the false god that he choses to blindly worship, which normally I wouldn't have a problem with, everybodys diffrent he has the right to his opinion but his adittude is begining to annoy me.

I'm not gonna even bother getting the facts and posting them here I know that I can argue the facts till the so called apocalypse that buy the way is like what 5yrs late now and he still won't admit to it, so I aint gonna waist my time.

[1337 Man]

Don't worry Thomas he's just mad cause he's losing the battle in other debates about the false god that he choses to blindly worship, which normally I wouldn't have a problem with, everybodys diffrent he has the right to his opinion but his adittude is begining to annoy me.

I'm not gonna even bother getting the facts and posting them here I know that I can argue the facts till the so called apocalypse that buy the way is like what 5yrs late now and he still won't admit to it, so I aint gonna waist my time.

First of all, I'm not mad, if anything, you're the mad ones. What the hell is this appocalypse shit you're talking about?

And for this debate, you can't even bother getting facts and posting them here...BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE! If there was a way to do punnett squares on this board, I'd show you how incest =/= birth defects.

[1337 Man]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?

[maximan]

I think it's gross, but it's your life. As long as you dont do your mom in front of me, I'm fine 8)

[1337 Man]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.

[1337 Man]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.
Yes I am against any type of incest.

Why? The argument "It's disgusting" holds no ground.

[1337 Man]

First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.
Yes I am against any type of incest.

Why? The argument "It's disgusting" holds no ground.
Because it's just wrong, you should not do that with your family. It's wrong.

That doesn't hold ground either. What would you say if I said gay marriage shouldn't be allowed "because it's wrong"?

[1337 Man]

[quote:49f24c2f35="FaDinG DreaM"]First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.
Yes I am against any type of incest.

Why? The argument "It's disgusting" holds no ground.
Because it's just wrong, you should not do that with your family. It's wrong.

That doesn't hold ground either. What would you say if I said gay marriage shouldn't be allowed "because it's wrong"?
Do you like have sex with your family or something, or do you just like having arguments? It's just no acceptable, it can cause problems...[/quote:49f24c2f35]

I'm arguing because I'm unclear. This is what I always hear:

"It's disgusting."

What's so disgusting about it?

"It's wrong."

What's so wrong about it?

"It leads to birth defects."

Only if both family members carry recessive alleles for said birth defect and said alleles get passed down.

[1337 Man]

[quote:75d2cec861="Thomas"][quote:75d2cec861="1337 Man"][quote:75d2cec861="FaDinG DreaM"]First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

EDIT:

Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.
Yes I am against any type of incest.

Why? The argument "It's disgusting" holds no ground.
Because it's just wrong, you should not do that with your family. It's wrong.

That doesn't hold ground either. What would you say if I said gay marriage shouldn't be allowed "because it's wrong"?
Do you like have sex with your family or something, or do you just like having arguments? It's just no acceptable, it can cause problems...[/quote:75d2cec861]

I'm arguing because I'm unclear. This is what I always hear:

"It's disgusting."

What's so disgusting about it?

"It's wrong."

What's so wrong about it?

"It leads to birth defects."

Only if both family members carry recessive alleles for said birth defect and said alleles get passed down.[/quote:75d2cec861]
Well it causes problems in the family, do you think that 7 year olds should be having sex with there mom or dad. NO. It's like molestation. IT'S WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. Are you being molested by your parents?[/quote:75d2cec861]

Who said I supported pedophiliac incest?

[1337 Man]

Well you know what, you are messed up, have fun having sex with your sister or kids.

I'm not for it or anything, I just want a good argument against incest, and why people think it's so "messed up" or "wrong". So far, nobody has posted a good reason why incest is bad.

[1337 Man]

It causes unstable relationships in the family

The same could be said about homosexuality, in the way that homosexual children might be disowned by their parents.

[Julio caesar shavez the 4]

I'm not for it or anything, SoI just want a good argument against incest, and why people think it's so "messed up" or "wrong". far, nobody has posted a good reason why incest is bad.
besides the fact that its fucks with the kids out come there is nothing rong with it . its just that our society dose not exceptet it like i ancient greece gay where so normal its not even funny but now a days it like a fucking sin. but if kill some iraqy on the street cuz u saw him with a gun u would get 2 murder charges put on u no one would exsepet that put if u were in war and shot one you would get a metal
well what i just trying to say is if society exsept it it is they auto matically ok

[1337 Man]

There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, get over it. It does not matter if it's two men, or two women, or a man and a women. You live in a world where people are different then you, so accept it. Why don't you just get over it. Gosh, Idiot.

I have no beef with homosexuality or incest. You're telling me to "accept the fact" that people are different? Why don't you accept incest?


I'm not for it or anything, SoI just want a good argument against incest, and why people think it's so "messed up" or "wrong". far, nobody has posted a good reason why incest is bad.
besides the fact that its fucks with the kids out come there is nothing rong with it . its just that our society dose not exceptet it like i ancient greece gay where so normal its not even funny but now a days it like a fucking sin. but if kill some iraqy on the street cuz u saw him with a gun u would get 2 murder charges put on u no one would exsepet that put if u were in war and shot one you would get a metal
well what i just trying to say is if society exsept it it is they auto matically ok

You obviously don't understand genetics that well if you think "it screws up kids". I've done a family tree below to show how "screwed up" incest can be.

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/4782/genetics0ha.jpg

If the defected gene is not found in the children of children 1 and 2, and those children reproduce for forever, It's impossible for the defected gene to occur in their children. What about the children of children 3 and 4? Their children have more instances of the defect, with only one homozygous dominant child. Ah! But if children 2, 3, and 4 from children 3 and 4 reproduced with child 1, all of their children would not have the trait!

And that's assuming the first mother or father has the recessive gene for the defect in the first place (which is very unlikely)! If both original parents are homozygous for the dominant trait, then none of their children will have any chance of getting the recessive gene unless they reproduce outside of the family!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

First of all, incest is ILLEGAL. Second of all, having kids from the same gene pool DOES cause defects, and at the third generation level almost certainly DEATH. And because it leads to DEATh is why it is ILLEGAL

[1337 Man]

I don't except incest, that is all.

You never anwsered my question, do you have sex with family members? And would you?

No, I don't have sex with family members.

First of all, incest is ILLEGAL. Second of all, having kids from the same gene pool DOES cause defects, and at the third generation level almost certainly DEATH. And because it leads to DEATh is why it is ILLEGAL

No, it doesn't. I provided a diagram in my previous post that shows that incest =/= birth defects. If none of the original parents carry a recessive allele for the defect in the first place (both parents with DD genes), it is impossible, I repeat, impossible for anyone in the family line to give birth to defected children, unless they marry outside of the family.

[1337 Man]

Well 1337 man WOULD you have sex with your family members?

Probably not, unless I had a really hot sister. But even then probably not, because she might get grossed out.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

"No, it doesn't. I provided a diagram in my previous post that shows that incest =/= birth defects. If none of the original parents carry a recessive allele for the defect in the first place (both parents with DD genes), it is impossible, I repeat, impossible "

im so sorry to tell you this, but you are a moron.

I have made a diagram of my own, and this proves scientifically with irrefutable facts that it IS possible. Observe:
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/9632/leet4jm.jpg

What you fail to understand, is that PERFECT genes from a brother and PERFECT genes from a sister = messed up shit

[Whisper]

"No, it doesn't. I provided a diagram in my previous post that shows that incest =/= birth defects. If none of the original parents carry a recessive allele for the defect in the first place (both parents with DD genes), it is impossible, I repeat, impossible "

im so sorry to tell you this, but you are a moron.

I have made a diagram of my own, and this proves scientifically with irrefutable facts that it IS possible. Observe:
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/9632/leet4jm.jpg

What you fail to understand, is that PERFECT genes from a brother and PERFECT genes from a sister = messed up shit

GENIUS!!!!!!

[1337 Man]

"No, it doesn't. I provided a diagram in my previous post that shows that incest =/= birth defects. If none of the original parents carry a recessive allele for the defect in the first place (both parents with DD genes), it is impossible, I repeat, impossible "

im so sorry to tell you this, but you are a moron.

I have made a diagram of my own, and this proves scientifically with irrefutable facts that it IS possible. Observe:
http://img101.exs.cx/img101/9632/leet4jm.jpg

What you fail to understand, is that PERFECT genes from a brother and PERFECT genes from a sister = messed up shit

Could you explain to me how DD + DD = dd if it's just brother and sister? That picture you made is just that: a picture. Why don't you do a punnet square to show that PERFECT genes from a brother and PERFECT genes from a sister leads to messed up shit?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hey 1337 man do u honest to god think ur punett squares that u learned how to make in 7th grade science somehow disprove the entire collective science thought?

[Whisper]

he can't, I mean anyone whos takin bio 20 can prove him wrong but he won't listen so I aint gonna bother

[1337 Man]

hey 1337 man do u honest to god think ur punett squares that u learned how to make in 7th grade science somehow disprove the entire collective science thought?

No, because there is no "collective science thought". Give me valid sources that state that all forms of incest DEFINITELY lead to defected children. Until then...

http://img81.exs.cx/img81/1998/genetics22gq.jpg

[maximan]

Have you only taken 7th grade biology? It's that when certain genes combine in a family and have too much in common, parts of the DNA is incomplete. And determining if a child is defected or not isnt as simple as a 2x2 punnet square. It's determined by a millions x millions punnet square, and so your punnet square proves nothing.

[boognish]

whats funny is that you have the same risk of defects as normally. but you know you raise a good point. why do all "special" kids parents have to have sex with eachother and not with people out of their family?

[mrbean]

But take the royal family, they thought that they needed to keep their blood clean, one had hemophelia, all the rest got it. It's highly unlikely that a person doesn't have a defect. It could be small and unnoticed for that person's life, but if they perform incest, the defect grows.

[1337 Man]

But take the royal family, they thought that they needed to keep their blood clean, one had hemophelia, all the rest got it. It's highly unlikely that a person doesn't have a defect. It could be small and unnoticed for that person's life, but if they perform incest, the defect grows.

Hemophilia was a mutation in Queen Victoria, it hadn't existed before then. Also, since it's on the X chromosome, it had no effect on the women unless both of their parents passed on a recessive allele for the trait.

[Ezekiel 25:17]

hemophilia was actually not in England but in the russian zsars. study up brotha

[TheWizard]

Incest is in the bible.

[AC/DC HaLO 2]

dude weird ppl talking about incest I mean seriously u may as well go have sex with a horse while your at it

[WelshLad]

what if they used contraception??? or had an abortion

[nwshc]

Is that 332278455 man is the 5th grade?? Those drawings are horrible! Anyway, why is this kid protecting insest?? You dont need punent squares and screwed up kids to argue this. Even if the brother and sister do have a kid and hes perfectly fine, he will have to go through the rest of his life that his mom is his mom and aunt, and his dad is his dad and uncle. Eventualy, all of the kids in school tormenting him/her will eventualy lead to the kid being a killer, suicidal, rapest ect. And the parents will never be execpted in society.
Ok, lets say that the kid/s of these brother and sister grow up to be fine. When they go out on a date, eventualy the date will meet the mom and dad. And if the date is smart enough, they will relize they look the same and book it. Resulting in the kid/s growing up secluded and in the dark. Do i rest my case that insest is wrong?? :?: :!: :x :shock:

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya seriously

[1337 Man]

Even if the brother and sister do have a kid and hes perfectly fine, he will have to go through the rest of his life that his mom is his mom and aunt, and his dad is his dad and uncle. Eventualy, all of the kids in school tormenting him/her will eventualy lead to the kid being a killer, suicidal, rapest ect. And the parents will never be execpted in society.
Ok, lets say that the kid/s of these brother and sister grow up to be fine. When they go out on a date, eventualy the date will meet the mom and dad. And if the date is smart enough, they will relize they look the same and book it. Resulting in the kid/s growing up secluded and in the dark. Do i rest my case that insest is wrong?? :?: :!: :x :shock:

But how would the kids at school find out? What if the kid never knows that his parents were incest? What parents in their right mind would tell their kids that they're like that? If the parents aren't accepted in society, it isn't them that need to change, but rather, society.

You say that people might recognize that the parents look similar, which won't happen in all cases, but it happens sometimes. They wouldn't assume the parents are related by blood...the girl I like looks very much like me (I made a morph of our pictures in a morphing program, with a result that looks very much like me), and she isn't related to me in any way at all. If I got together with her and we went out, and society automatically assumed that we're related because we look similar, it is society that has problems, not me.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thats actually a good point. the parents would never tell, so it wouldnt matter. on the other hand, your kid would most certainly die before the age of ten so is it really worth it?

[boognish]

wtf are you talking about? the kid most likely will be fine. do you have any idea how many families are in bred? its a huge myth that inbred kids are challenged or will die young. and technically if your religious if you have kids your inbreding. but the odds are that the kid wont have any problem at all

[pistonsfan39]

If it's illegal it's wrong. If you do think it's not wrong, thats ok, your babies may end up with flippers and a tail though....

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

the genetic defects and mutations associated with inbreeding are well known and substantial. its not illegal because of a moral issue, its illegal because its ending lives and forcing deformed children to grow up in torturous enviornments

[nwshc]

Im not even going to answer to all of this, its so retarded. How can anyone argue against insest??

[1337 Man]

the genetic defects and mutations associated with inbreeding are well known and substantial. its not illegal because of a moral issue, its illegal because its ending lives and forcing deformed children to grow up in torturous enviornments

But the function of marriage is not to reproduce, but to celebrate your love for someone. If we're using reproduction as an issue, why not ban gay marriage, because they can't reproduce at all?

Besides, the chances of a child getting serious defects from incest parents are only slightly higher than those of one from non-incest parents.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

im sorry, but last time i checked men cant have babies. considering were talking about the genetic defects associated with inbreeding (which requires making babies), i dont see your point other than to talk. and who are you to say the chances are the same for both? thats absurd. thats like saying people who dont smoke will have just as high a chance as getting lung cancer as people who do smoke. grrrr

[boognish]

im sorry, but last time i checked men cant have babies. considering were talking about the genetic defects associated with inbreeding (which requires making babies), i dont see your point other than to talk. and who are you to say the chances are the same for both? thats absurd. thats like saying people who dont smoke will have just as high a chance as getting lung cancer as people who do smoke. grrrr actually its higher.....second degree smoke is worse then what the smoker takes in. plus all the genetic defects are if the family has a history of it happening. if one great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great uncle was retarded on one side of the family, the kids of that family, if those kids had an inbred child, do not have a higher risk of getting a retarded child then two unrelated people with an uncle like that on in each family. if the inbred family has no history, ever, of having any, any, defect who would their child have that defect? and if you say the mother drank and smoked, that chance is not hightened by the incest.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no your completely wrong. perfect genes from perfect siblings can mix into mutations. did you not take science in middle school?

[boognish]

so can perfect genes from two perfect unrelated people.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

but not as often. have you ever seen someone with birth defects before? probably not. have u ever seen someone with birth defects from incentuous parents? probably not either. but thats only because there arent a lot of incestuous cases. mostly all of them result in some kind of defect

[boognish]

actually there are probly tens of thousands of inbred families, just you cant tell cause nobody notices. its jsut that the inbred familys that produce a defect people start to point fingers at. a good majority of defected children have unrelated parents. kinda like the media, we only here about whats odd so we base our opinions of that. like bush, he probly did many good things but no one knows, why? cause the media hates bush and highlights his mishaps. just like has been done with inbred familys

[1337 Man]

have u ever seen someone with birth defects from incentuous parents?

How would you know if someone had defects from incestuous parents? There was a retarded kid at my school last year, and I was friends with his sister. Would I...

a.) Go up to his sister and say "OMGWTFLOLBBQ YU0R P4R3NT5 W3R3 T3H 1NC3S7 50 YU0R BR0'S TEH R3T4RD3D"
b.) Mind my own business

Besides, if incest was practiced within a family for many generations, the bad genes wouldn't get passed on, and in the future, would lead to less defected people.

[nwshc]

A) dont do 346jikwem6u89vn4278n6 K?
B) Why would the bad genes get flushed out? They would always stay in you somewhere. If your great great " " " " grandpa had dandruff, even if everyone else up to you didnt, you still could have dandruff. It just stays hiding withing you.

[1337 Man]

Why would the bad genes get flushed out? They would always stay in you somewhere. If your great great " " " " grandpa had dandruff, even if everyone else up to you didnt, you still could have dandruff. It just stays hiding withing you.

Easy. If incest leads to defects half of the time, the other half won't be defected. If the defected don't reproduce with each other, and the non-defected do, the non-defected's children will have a lower chance of being defected. Repeat this for a few generations and you'll have less defects in the family overall.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i dont even understand your reason for why you would fight this. are you having sex with your sister and need justification?

[Shaolin]

It's not socially accepted and hasn't been for hundreds of years. However it used to be quite alright to marry your cousin.

Cosmos is right though, if you had a small population of monkeys, who were all brothers and sisters, and left them in captivation, tehy would die out eventually.

You get half your genes from your parents, so that's 25% per parent, if you keep narrowing it down you do not get a purer person, you get too many of the same chromosomes, which is the cause of downs syndrome.

However most people with birth defect are not the product of incest.

[nwshc]

Why would the bad genes get flushed out? They would always stay in you somewhere. If your great great " " " " grandpa had dandruff, even if everyone else up to you didnt, you still could have dandruff. It just stays hiding withing you.

Easy. If incest leads to defects half of the time, the other half won't be defected. If the defected don't reproduce with each other, and the non-defected do, the non-defected's children will have a lower chance of being defected. Repeat this for a few generations and you'll have less defects in the family overall.

But the bad genes would still stay inside of you. Maby you didnt come out all deformed and crap, but now you have an increased risk of becoming deformed. It still stays inside of you. Am I wrong?

[1337 Man]

Why would the bad genes get flushed out? They would always stay in you somewhere. If your great great " " " " grandpa had dandruff, even if everyone else up to you didnt, you still could have dandruff. It just stays hiding withing you.

Easy. If incest leads to defects half of the time, the other half won't be defected. If the defected don't reproduce with each other, and the non-defected do, the non-defected's children will have a lower chance of being defected. Repeat this for a few generations and you'll have less defects in the family overall.

But the bad genes would still stay inside of you. Maby you didnt come out all deformed and crap, but now you have an increased risk of becoming deformed. It still stays inside of you. Am I wrong?

It depends on whether the alleles for the disease are recessive or dominant. If they're dominant, they would go away in the children of the non-defected, because they would be apparent in most affected children, and those children wouldn't live long enough to reproduce.

If the defects are recessive, you can refer to my earlier chart:

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/4782/genetics0ha.jpg

Although this only represents only one gene, it gets the point across. On the right side, if you continued the pattern, it would eventually lead to the defected gene not appearing in the children.

i dont even understand your reason for why you would fight this. are you having sex with your sister and need justification?

I don't understand why you would fight against it. The chances for defects are only slightly higher than those of non-incestuous births.

[Anonymous]

[quote:68ae003812="1337 Man"][quote:68ae003812="Thomas"][quote:68ae003812="1337 Man"][quote:68ae003812="FaDinG DreaM"]First of all the disgusting should be enough I mean thats just......Wrong.....On so many levels. But yes theres a thing called genetic regretion.....That can get real nasty.

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Why are you askin this?

I find homosexuality disgusting, is that enough to ban gay marriage? Of course not!

You think genetic defects happen in the children of all incest couples? Think again. It's just that since the people in the couples are related, it's more likely they'll contain recessive alleles that might lead to birth defects. However, said alleles probably aren't common. Also, since gays can't give birth to their own children, would you be against homosexual incest?

I'm asking this because I haven't seen any good arguments against it.
I thought this was about incest, not about saying how gay people are disgusting. :x
This isn't supposed to say how gay people are disgusting, my point is, why the double standard?
Then how come you went ranting on about it?

Well, if the main argument about incest is that their children would have birth defects (which is untrue), I was asking "Would you be against homosexual incest, if they can't biologically have children?" I'm sorry if I was unclear.
Yes I am against any type of incest.

Why? The argument "It's disgusting" holds no ground.
Because it's just wrong, you should not do that with your family. It's wrong.

That doesn't hold ground either. What would you say if I said gay marriage shouldn't be allowed "because it's wrong"?
Do you like have sex with your family or something, or do you just like having arguments? It's just no acceptable, it can cause problems...[/quote:68ae003812]

I'm arguing because I'm unclear. This is what I always hear:

"It's disgusting."

What's so disgusting about it?

"It's wrong."

What's so wrong about it?

"It leads to birth defects."

Only if both family members carry recessive alleles for said birth defect and said alleles get passed down.[/quote:68ae003812]
Well it causes problems in the family, do you think that 7 year olds should be having sex with there mom or dad. NO. It's like molestation. IT'S WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. Are you being molested by your parents?[/quote:68ae003812]

Who said I supported pedophiliac incest?[/quote:68ae003812]
this looks cool, but its kinda spam, bye now till saturday if i can rip myself away!

[Anonymous]

oops i accidentally double posted somehow

[Shaolin]

Excellent work l337! We have a scientific mind here.

And im pretty sure your right, we did something about this in biology, except it was huntingtons disease.

However im a little rusty, i haven't done biology for over a year now.

[Shaolin]

l337 man do you feel strongly against homosexuality? That you could never ever take part in anything that would be remotly homosexual?

Although im only a student, having strong views against something, such as homosexuality, can indicate a defense mechanism of projection.

Which means, that the person who feels extremly strongly against the subject, might have an insecurity about their own sexuality.

[1337 Man]

l337 man do you feel strongly against homosexuality? That you could never ever take part in anything that would be remotly homosexual?

Although im only a student, having strong views against something, such as homosexuality, can indicate a defense mechanism of projection.

Which means, that the person who feels extremly strongly against the subject, might have an insecurity about their own sexuality.

No, I'm not against it in any form. Let them do whatever the hell they want, as long as they don't do it to me.

See, many of the arguments against incest are those against gay marriage. EG "The function of marriage is to reproduce..." "That's disgusting..." "Religion...". Many people who support gay marriage also use these arguments against incest, and it's sort of hypocritical. I'm fine with both homosexuality and incest, because they don't affect me in any way.

[bob12322]

incest is wrong =/ becuase i never do it..
:roll:

[1337 Man]

incest is wrong =/ becuase i never do it..
:roll:

You are wrong because you =/= center of the universe.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

but the center of all knowledge when it comes to this issue :D

[Master_Phinnaeus]

This is going to sound really wrong, but I see nothing wrong with experimenting with a sibling. You trust them the most, and you love them. Starting a family, or making love to a sibling is wrong, though, even if it feels right.

[LadyEpic]

I feel the same way as 1337 Man, but what if fails to recognise is that his diagrams are to complicated for the lesser people to understand. I have placed this website adress that leads to Wikipedia. If you check it out you'll note in the "Inbreeding Calculation" section that the most severe chances of birth defects are 25%, and that's only in the most extreme circumstances. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding )

[Gumleaf]

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