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[INFERNO]

I think this is the best place in the VT forum to put this but feel free to move it to wherever is more suitable.

I've been browsing through here, watching some snuff videos (videos of actual torture or killing of humans or animals, occasionally with a plot to it), and briefly chatting on MSN. Perhaps it's just me but why is it that when you mention something even remotely close to this, that people shy away? I don't want the answer of "you're smart enough to figure it out yourself" but what is it that when I mention or begin to describe a video of a naked lady chained and dragged to a table, where many business men watch her arm be put into a vice then sawed off, and a midget attempt to shove it in her mouth, what feeling do you get? To me, I get excitement, humour, a feel just something come over me, a wanting to do this myself and imagining how someone would scream and looking into their eyes, seeing all the blood, rubbing in the blood and potentially torturing them. All of this, allows me to have my glory, my humour, seeing my twisted mind unfold and imaging becoming a serial killer, aspiring to all the books I've read about them.

The only difference is, unlike the serial killers I've read about, I haven't committed as many crimes.

But back on-topic, what is it that you feel? I don't really understand what it is when I tell this to a doctor or a trusted friend (the friend knows the consequences of them telling). To me, I can go on and on for hours on end, feeling warm inside, laughing at the people. When I tell the doctors and let them probe my mind, they shift uncomfortably or keep scribbling notes

This isn't to say that I want to become a serial killer, as I still have a passion for science and medicine. Being tossed back into a psych ward will only set me back, something that I refuse to have happen. Right now, while typing some of this, watching some guys get beheading slowly via not-so-sharp knife. I find it funny, a bit relaxing but not disgusting in the least. I imagine doing it, feeling the urge to go out hunting and such but why do others find it horrifying? When I imagine some of it, it involves a person chained, dying and me rubbing their blood all over with certain songs beating as their blood shoots out and their pulse weakens. I don't get it, what's so wrong with this? I mean, it's not a senseless murder and I'm not imagining very violent or disgusting images.

[NightHawksr71]

I think the reason people shy away is because its what they expect a serial killer or just a "psycho" person to look at, AKA someone that might pose a threat to them, Or someone that socially, they would be frowned at for associating with. Or it plain just scares them. Thats really all that I can think of.

That and social norms, its not really "normal" to like that sort of thing and as most people want to fit in they try and find someone others like.

Those snuff clips sound awesome though, I can never seem to find any though. the one you described sounds like it would be good to watch.

Anyway, thats about all I can help with. The emotional side of this is something I can't help with. Unless you don't mind guesswork.


"When I tell the doctors and let them probe my mind, they shift uncomfortably or keep scribbling notes"

That bit got me, got the mental image of the doctor squirming, quite amusing.

Anyway, hope that helps

[Sapphire]

People get uncomfortable because it is not normal or good to get like this over physical violence and murder. I can read about things like that, but the thought of actually watching it happen makes me feel physically sick. It is not good that you are excited by these videos and it really disturbs me that there are people walking the streets that have this reaction to violence.

[byee]

I think people's reaction is based on their discomfort with torture. Most do not find this entertaining, so when they hear your obvious delight in it, they react with discomfort. Your interest in these types of things is not typical, you know. Whenever someone engages in nontypical activities, there's the probability that everyone else will find it discomforting. And the more nontypical the activity, the more discomfort. What you like is pretty extreme, hence the extreme discomfort of others you share this with. Seems pretty simple to me. But I have a question for you: Why do you have such difficulty grasping their reaction?

The larger issues, of course, are why you'd find such extreme things pleasurable, and why you'd share it with others, knowing full well their obvious revulsion, and how it would put you at immediate odds with them. That's where the therapy comes in, and b/c of the extreme nature of your particular likes, combined with your obvious pleasure in sharing it (and maybe even watching them squirm), you'd need a real pro, someone not so squeemish.

[INFERNO]

I think people's reaction is based on their discomfort with torture. Most do not find this entertaining, so when they hear your obvious delight in it, they react with discomfort. Your interest in these types of things is not typical, you know. Whenever someone engages in nontypical activities, there's the probability that everyone else will find it discomforting. And the more nontypical the activity, the more discomfort. What you like is pretty extreme, hence the extreme discomfort of others you share this with. Seems pretty simple to me. But I have a question for you: Why do you have such difficulty grasping their reaction?

The larger issues, of course, are why you'd find such extreme things pleasurable, and why you'd share it with others, knowing full well their obvious revulsion, and how it would put you at immediate odds with them. That's where the therapy comes in, and b/c of the extreme nature of your particular likes, combined with your obvious pleasure in sharing it (and maybe even watching them squirm), you'd need a real pro, someone not so squeemish.

Why I find them pleasurable, to be honest I have no clue. I remember in grade 2-3 throwing a kid off the playground then stomping them in, getting thrown in the corner and laughing at the teacher, stealing some of my parents' things because I felt like it and so forth. I'm not sure why I like it because neither of my parents do nor my grand parents nor my great grandparents and so forth.

I find it difficult to grasp because it's the same as how they babble about American Idol or whatever and others laugh. It's a comedy to them, so I talk about Family Guy, they laugh. Cool but I talk about torture, it's comedy and they get all squimish. I share it because I find once I start talking about it, I need to think about it in order to talk and I imagine it, which is exciting. I'm waiting for the results of some tests (personality tests, only did them recently as no other doctors did any sort of tests only MRI and 1 EEG).

I know that the more atypical something is the more odd people will take it but there are so many odd things out there yet those people just seem to let go. Anxiety disorders, depression, etc..., are abnormal yet people don't get too uncomfortable (maybe if you're planning to commit suicide but that I find pathetic, although that's a whole other story). So if this is atypical, why do they get so unusually uncomfortable? All humans have some amount of sadism in them; you want to see at least 1 person, whether you want to admit it or not, suffer or get pay back on them. That's fairly accepted but if it's this, which really is just a bit more, people don't take it well.

Watching them squirm isn't really my intent. I'm not purposely trying to gross them out but when I see a professional doctor who works at a forensic psychiatry hospital squirm or simply a plain old psychiatrist or therapist squirm, I find it funny because they're trained and have all their credations around them showing they can do it yet I come in and all of their stuff falls to pieces. Might as well just cue some music to it :D

Nighthawksr71, haha, yeah it's a pretty good clip. I'd sent it to you, however, a) your age on here is 16 I think, which is underage for the website and b) I'd get banned from this site. So, not happening. If you look carefully, you'll find it.

Sapphire, see, that's what I don't get. Other people can have a thing for Asians or blonde girls or brunettes or whatever, yet that's acceptable. Some people find certain movies funny while others cant sit there and watch it (i.e. Saw movies) and that's more or less fine. But then with this, it's like there's this same wall that's always blocking me so I cant ever get through it.

[NightHawksr71]

Watching them squirm isn't really my intent. I'm not purposely trying to gross them out but when I see a professional doctor who works at a forensic psychiatry hospital squirm or simply a plain old psychiatrist or therapist squirm, I find it funny because they're trained and have all their credations around them showing they can do it yet I come in and all of their stuff falls to pieces. Might as well just cue some music to it :D

Nighthawksr71, haha, yeah it's a pretty good clip. I'd sent it to you, however, a) your age on here is 16 I think, which is underage for the website and b) I'd get banned from this site. So, not happening. If you look carefully, you'll find it.

haha, I'll bet seeing a trained doctor squirming would be quite a sight, I would probably have a bit of a laugh myself.

As for the video. I'll have a look but I doubt I'll find it, I wasn't expecting you to send it to me anyway.

[Sapphire]

You revel in watching people get tortured. That is very wrong. How can you not see that?!

It is far worse than having a harmless sexual fetish or being somewhat depressed or anxious as it involves physical harm to another person who doesn't have a proper say in the matter. With BDSM and the like, there are safety words that are used when one of them has had enough and they stop there and then.
With videos like the ones you have been watching, they don't have that. It is horrible to watch and truly horrific that you fantasise about doing things like that to others.

[INFERNO]

You revel in watching people get tortured. That is very wrong. How can you not see that?!

It is far worse than having a harmless sexual fetish or being somewhat depressed or anxious as it involves physical harm to another person who doesn't have a proper say in the matter. With BDSM and the like, there are safety words that are used when one of them has had enough and they stop there and then.
With videos like the ones you have been watching, they don't have that. It is horrible to watch and truly horrific that you fantasise about doing things like that to others.

Well, doesn't necessarily need to be torture. It can be someone in physical pain or if enough of it, emotional pain (regardless on who/what caused it). It's not as wrong as many things in this world. Everyone has their own taste, some like soap operas, some like action movies, some like comedies and some like pain of others.

In the words of Henri Blot: "Every man to his own tastes. Mine is for corpses". Granted, I'm not into necrophilia (I find that weird and odd) but for the most part, everyone has their own tastes. You attempting to tell me off is of no use but feel free to do so anyways.

[Sapphire]

There is something very wrong with getting the same enjoyment out of watching someone be physically hurt, tortured and killed as other people do from watching things like Pretty Woman or Con Air.

How can you not see that?

[INFERNO]

There is something very wrong with getting the same enjoyment out of watching someone be physically hurt, tortured and killed as other people do from watching things like Pretty Woman or Con Air.

How can you not see that?

Because they're both simply forms and resources of entertainment, and entertainment is also good.

[Sapphire]

Because they're both simply forms and resources of entertainment, and entertainment is also good.
That right there proves that you are a heartless person!

You need serious help and I am glad that you are on your way to getting it.

[INFERNO]

That right there proves that you are a heartless person!

You need serious help and I am glad that you are on your way to getting it.

Once I get the personality test results in then something will be formulated. Depending on whether or not I like it, I may or may not take it. As for now, I'm not seeing a therapist until May (she's busy until then) and my psychiatrist is doing nothing until the results come in.

I'd only need "help" if there was a large problem. The innocent don't get punished usually, only the guilty. So, as of now, there's no large problem.

[NightHawksr71]

There is something very wrong with getting the same enjoyment out of watching someone be physically hurt, tortured and killed as other people do from watching things like Pretty Woman or Con Air.

How can you not see that?

Easy, you may like (insert your favourite TV show here) however someone else may like (insert your most hated TV show here) Yet you just can't understand how they can like something so stupid.

Same thing here, you just don't like what Inferno and I like.

As for your opinion on what is wrong and right. Some people are for abortion some are against it both sides disagree with each other but neither can change the others opinion.

[Sapphire]

I don't like Inferno's attitude about it. This is not something that one should get the same level of excitement as he does. His attitude is very disturbing and the sooner he is treated by professionals, the better.

And I really don't see what abortion has to do with this.

[NightHawksr71]

I don't like Inferno's attitude about it. This is not something that one should get the same level of excitement as he does. His attitude is very disturbing and the sooner he is treated by professionals, the better.

And I really don't see what abortion has to do with this.

The abortion comment was meant to be an analogy.

I give up, I really just can't seem to get my ideas and opinions across to people through text.

[INFERNO]

I don't like Inferno's attitude about it. This is not something that one should get the same level of excitement as he does. His attitude is very disturbing and the sooner he is treated by professionals, the better.

And I really don't see what abortion has to do with this.

Well, I don't exactly care for your attitude by having you act as though I'm not here and telling what I should be doing without addressing me. It's not a terrible attitude, it'd be better if you were more open-minded.

[Sapphire]

Well, I don't exactly care for your attitude by having you act as though I'm not here and telling what I should be doing without addressing me. It's not a terrible attitude, it'd be better if you were more open-minded.
That comment was not made to you, it was made to NightHawks in response to his post. When I have made comments to you, they have addressed you.

Now, so you don't feel left out by my "bad attitude".
I do not like your attitude. You shouldn't gain as much excitement from these videos as you do. Your attitude is very disturbing and the sooner you accept help from professionals, the better.

[Hyper]

Easy, you may like (insert your favourite TV show here) however someone else may like (insert your most hated TV show here) Yet you just can't understand how they can like something so stupid.

Same thing here, you just don't like what Inferno and I like.

As for your opinion on what is wrong and right. Some people are for abortion some are against it both sides disagree with each other but neither can change the others opinion.

Easy.. Quite..

A TV show is a TV show..

A show involves acting and such..

Comparing a snuff film, and finding enjoy & excitment out of it, to a TV show is plain retarded.

Let me put it to you this way, entertaiment seeking INFERNO, would you find it very exciting if I were to torture you and film it? I hope not, though massohism and sadism can go hand to hand, because thats what a true snuff film is, someone being tortured ( in the literal sense, being caused pain against their will )

The best way to look at anything is to put yourself in another persons shoes. It's called empathy and if you lack it replace it with analyzation.

Step 1: Question
Step 2: Circumstance
Step 3: Possible Effects
Step 4: Conclusion

1: Why do people shy away, find it wrong, are uncomfortable hearing it
2: Circumstances; a creature or a human being is being caused pain.
3: A normal person has empathy so he/she feels compassion for the ''victim'' and in the sub conciousness fears the same thing happening to them
4: People shy away because the thought of pain discomforts them. They empathasize with the victim and feel compassion for them, the pain feels as if their own and/or they fear it

You quoted Henri Blot and said you found necrophilia weird and odd, yet you don't find torture odd or weird.. While acknowledging this you can't understand why the averege person thinks your a bit sick in the head.

If everything & anything that gave some creepo excitment and entertaiment in the world was normal and accepted.. I doubt society would be very inhabitable.

There'd be sadists, necrophiliacs, pedophiles, murderers, beastiality lovers.. And so on going around everywhere like it was normal, certainly if the great majority thought it was normal it would be, but the majority wouldn't..

Not everything that pops up in your mind as exciting or interesting or entertaining is normal or healthy.

[INFERNO]

Easy.. Quite..

A TV show is a TV show..

A show involves acting and such..

Comparing a snuff film, and finding enjoy & excitment out of it, to a TV show is plain retarded.

Let me put it to you this way, entertaiment seeking INFERNO, would you find it very exciting if I were to torture you and film it? I hope not, though massohism and sadism can go hand to hand, because thats what a true snuff film is, someone being tortured ( in the literal sense, being caused pain against their will )

The best way to look at anything is to put yourself in another persons shoes. It's called empathy and if you lack it replace it with analyzation.

Step 1: Question
Step 2: Circumstance
Step 3: Possible Effects
Step 4: Conclusion

1: Why do people shy away, find it wrong, are uncomfortable hearing it
2: Circumstances; a creature or a human being is being caused pain.
3: A normal person has empathy so he/she feels compassion for the ''victim'' and in the sub conciousness fears the same thing happening to them
4: People shy away because the thought of pain discomforts them. They empathasize with the victim and feel compassion for them, the pain feels as if their own and/or they fear it

You quoted Henri Blot and said you found necrophilia weird and odd, yet you don't find torture odd or weird.. While acknowledging this you can't understand why the averege person thinks your a bit sick in the head.

If everything & anything that gave some creepo excitment and entertaiment in the world was normal and accepted.. I doubt society would be very inhabitable.

There'd be sadists, necrophiliacs, pedophiles, murderers, beastiality lovers.. And so on going around everywhere like it was normal, certainly if the great majority thought it was normal it would be, but the majority wouldn't..

Not everything that pops up in your mind as exciting or interesting or entertaining is normal or healthy.

And why is comparing it to a TV show plain retarded? Because you cant understand why, so call it retarded? Or, using your idea of analyzation, in your sub-conscious, you don't want to associate torture with something that does give you pleasure? So, you repress it and call it retarded.

I hope you're not calling me a "creepo".

Sadists, necrophiliacs, pedophiles, murderers, beastility lovers do walk around everywhere. I don't get what you mean by the "great majority thought it was normal it would be, but the majority wouldn't". You have 2 majorities yet represent the opposite things in different amounts.

[Sapphire]

I don't get what you mean by the "great majority thought it was normal it would be, but the majority wouldn't". You have 2 majorities yet represent the opposite things in different amounts.
He means that if the majority of people thought it was normal then it would be normal. But the majority wouldn't find it normal. So, it isn't normal.