stem cells

[phish]

What do you think?

[Oblivion]

Well I think it's a viable resource for humans, and it will help a great deal of people.
I'm quite happy Obama lifted restrictions on it's research.

[phish]

Well I think it's a viable resource for humans, and it will help a great deal of people.
I'm quite happy Obama lifted restrictions on it's research.

I agree 100%!

[Antares]

I think that most of the research is perfectly fine. I haven't studied in depth the practices but I think the general idea is awesome and I think its good that its been lifted...not really sure why hes sending more money there though...

[Prince_of_Peace]

Stem cell research is when they take the fetus and take it out from the mother's womb and kill it by altering it's DNA to create a human heart, lungs, kindney, etc. It is immoral and is intrinsically evil because it kills a human person just like abortion. The worst thing is Mr. Barrach Obama has overridden the ban on stem cell research. It is sad when the president of United States who is the commander in chief is not using his duly sworn duty to protect American lives which is written in the Constitution.

[Church]

So, its better to save one life than find the cure to cancer and lets thousands die? Also doesn't say in the Constitution the president is suppose to protect the lives of the citizens. He serves the nation and is suppose to lead and make it better, also you cant kill what isn't born

[MysticalBurrito]

Stem cell research is when they take the fetus and take it out from the mother's womb and kill it by altering it's DNA to create a human heart, lungs, kindney, etc. It is immoral and is intrinsically evil because it kills a human person just like abortion. The worst thing is Mr. Barrach Obama has overridden the ban on stem cell research. It is sad when the president of United States who is the commander in chief is not using his duly sworn duty to protect American lives which is written in the Constitution.

I agree with him its not right to kill a helpless baby
NOBODY should have the right to kill a baby for research!

[Whisper]

Canadians developed a way where they can turn skin cells into stem cells apparently
it was a huge break threw a few weeks ago
ya
were awesome like that

[MysticalBurrito]

To bad americans cant tell our butts from a hole it the ground XD

[Atonement]

Stem cell research is when they take the fetus and take it out from the mother's womb and kill it by altering it's DNA to create a human heart, lungs, kindney, etc.

That is not the only way it can be done. They can also use adult, healthy human bone marrow, and umbrical chords from deliver, not the child.

It is immoral and is intrinsically evil because it kills a human person just like abortion.

No, I just stated it doesn't have to. I can, but even then, we raise cows, pigs, rats, whatever for science and or simple food, but thats not wrong at all?

The worst thing is Mr. Barack Obama has overridden the ban on stem cell research. It is sad when the president of United States who is the commander in chief is not using his duly sworn duty to protect American lives which is written in the Constitution.

Two problems, I already stated above that its not baby killing.
Also, it says no where in the Constitution that is the President's duty to protect the lives of citizens. The President's duties are to uphold the Constitution.

[phish]

Stem cell research is when they take the fetus and take it out from the mother's womb and kill it by altering it's DNA to create a human heart, lungs, kindney, etc. It is immoral and is intrinsically evil because it kills a human person just like abortion. The worst thing is Mr. Barrach Obama has overridden the ban on stem cell research. It is sad when the president of United States who is the commander in chief is not using his duly sworn duty to protect American lives which is written in the Constitution.



THERE WAS NEVER A BAN ON STEM CELL RESEARCH! They said they will not fund it.

Ok this proves what you know. Ok first the baby will be aborted anyway(I am pro life) so why not use it when I have a fish die that is illeagal to keep I still do. And they don't need to do that anyway now they can get them from embryonic fluid which is the liquid that babys are born in. We get 3 gallons of the stuff every time a baby is born.

[Halibut]

ya i think its a great way to help people..i mean what would be wrong with it?

[Sapphire]

I think that it is a slippery slope from researching into stem cells and effectively growing organs to cloning people.

Cloning people effectively cheapens human life. Life loses value if a scientist can create it at will.

[Camazotz]

Stem cell research can make new discoveries to lead to the cures of diseases. I support it fully.

[Perseus]

I support it because it can lead to new cures for diseases.
And, people who need organs dont have to wait as long if they can get made by stem cells.

[Viral Death]

I have heard what stem cells do but I think that it is great of Obama to do this

Other than I am Democrate

[Prince_of_Peace]

There are 960,851,582 estimated abortion between 1920 and 2008. An estimated global monthly average of 1,206,000 abortions. In United States, there are 47,671,878 babies killed in the womb between 1926-2007. Less than 1% of these pregnacies were due to rape or incest. Adult Stem Cell Reseach is moral and is not a sin as it does not kill fetuses inside the womb. From the moment of conception, life begins. LIFE DOES NOT BEGIN WHEN OUT OF THE WOMB. LIFE BEGINS AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION.

Our parents are tax payers and their voices should be heard. People give money to save lives and not to kill lives. As far as I know, Obama is nothing but a baby killer.

[Oblivion]

First of all, that abortion stuff has nothing to do with the current debate. The abortion thread is over yonder.

Honestly, did you even read what Addi said?
Babies aren't killed for their stem cells.
Even if they use aborted babies for stem cell research [which is uncommon] they have been aborted by the woman first, then donated to science.
The government doesn't force women to get pregnant then steal their babies...
So how may I ask, is Obama a baby killer?

I honestly don't know where you are getting at.

[Sage]

There are 960,851,582 estimated abortion between 1920 and 2008. An estimated global monthly average of 1,206,000 abortions. In United States, there are 47,671,878 babies killed in the womb between 1926-2007. Less than 1% of these pregnacies were due to rape or incest. Adult Stem Cell Reseach is moral and is not a sin as it does not kill fetuses inside the womb. From the moment of conception, life begins. LIFE DOES NOT BEGIN WHEN OUT OF THE WOMB. LIFE BEGINS AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION.

Our parents are tax payers and their voices should be heard. People give money to save lives and not to kill lives. As far as I know, Obama is nothing but a baby killer.

I would care to hear where you get your statistics.

[phish]

I would care to hear where you get your statistics.

Where I would bet they are made up all the stats are.




And please people they can get stem cells from embryonic fluid which we get 3 gallons of every time a baby is born.

[Prince_of_Peace]

Why don't you look it up in the web...lifting a finger can be a good exercise than whining.

[INFERNO]

Why don't you look it up in the web...lifting a finger can be a good exercise than whining.

Because you provided the stats, burden of proof is on you. Until then, I shall assume your stats you gave are complete bullshit.

As for stem cell research, I support it fully. It can lead to many cures and learning so much more about human DNA, etc... .

[Prince_of_Peace]

See for yourself

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp339.html

I support adult stem cell research as it has promising effect of curing many illnesses.
I do not support stem cell research that kills the fetus of a human being. This fetus has a little heart beating inside from the start of conception. No one gives right to kill anyone. Adult stem cell research is the way to go.

[INFERNO]

There are 960,851,582 estimated abortion between 1920 and 2008. An estimated global monthly average of 1,206,000 abortions. In United States, there are 47,671,878 babies killed in the womb between 1926-2007. Less than 1% of these pregnacies were due to rape or incest. Adult Stem Cell Reseach is moral and is not a sin as it does not kill fetuses inside the womb. From the moment of conception, life begins. LIFE DOES NOT BEGIN WHEN OUT OF THE WOMB. LIFE BEGINS AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION.

Our parents are tax payers and their voices should be heard. People give money to save lives and not to kill lives. As far as I know, Obama is nothing but a baby killer.

Uh oh, your sources say otherwise.

You say, 960,851,582 from 1920 to 2008 but your source has...

"1920 - 2008: 858,000,000 reported abortions, estimated 961,000,000 total abortions"

The number you gave is for 1922 to 2007.

The other numbers are the same as with your source, except, the 1%. That's not on the source you gave.

Don't alter the numbers and don't bring in random numbers that your source doesn't show.

[Prince_of_Peace]

okay..I am off by a couple of hundreds....and the point is???????

[Church]

Well I looked up these stats from http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/facts/abortionstats.html

49,551,703 abortions since 1973

[MysticalBurrito]

and with that proof knowing how many helpless babys are killed how can we as americans even smile during the day knowing that many babys have been killed for no reason..

[Whisper]

and with that proof knowing how many helpless babys are killed how can we as americans even smile during the day knowing that many babys have been killed for no reason..
Your a retard
Its not a baby its a fetus
prime harvesting time is 7days in its not even a fetus
Its...constipation

Not to mention theres 2 kinds of stem cells
Ones you would harvest from a fetus and ones present in adults
Not to mention if you read a few more posts you'd understand that Canadians have learned how to convert epithelial cells into stem cells
Not to mention you don't have to kill the fetus you can wait till the mother gives birth and harvest remaining stem cells from the umbilical cord etc...

[Bobby]

Let's be nice.

[INFERNO]

okay..I am off by a couple of hundreds....and the point is???????

Point is you made a claim and gave false evidence.


and with that proof knowing how many helpless babys are killed how can we as americans even smile during the day knowing that many babys have been killed for no reason..

They're fetuses not babies. But, getting rid of the word choices, we can smile because these fetuses are not randomly killed. The mother just doesn't get randomly grabbed and her fetus taken. Something has to happen for the fetus to be given by consent. We can smile knowing that with the research, many disorders are more likely to be cured and we can learn much more about ourselves and possibly other animals.

[Oblivion]

okay..I am off by a couple of hundreds....and the point is???????

The point is that no one can trust any statistics posted by you, because most often they are falsified- guesswork. [Or you changed them to look more believable]
It's not the first time either, which really reflects poorly on debating skills.

Anyways, abortion really doesn't have to do with stem cell research... Not sure why we are even talking about it.

[Camazotz]

The point is that no one can trust any statistics posted by you, because most often they are falsified- guesswork. [Or you changed them to look more believable]
It's not the first time either, which really reflects poorly on debating skills.

Anyways, abortion really doesn't have to do with stem cell research... Not sure why we are even talking about it.

Exactly. The debate is whether you support getting stem cells (from dead fetuses, babies that are born with extra, or converting it from other cells) and researching it to find if there's a way to use it to cure illnesses and diseases (while also researching reconstruction of limbs using stem cells). Not supporting stem cell research is basically saying you do not want to help find a cure to "incurable" diseases.

[pizzamon]

I support the adult stem cell research. I think there is potential for great advancements in the field of science. Just think of how our way of life could change. Formerly disabled people could regain mobility and who knows what else could be made possible.

[Church]

okay..I am off by a couple of hundreds....and the point is???????

Uhh... it matters alot, if you can't accurately say stats then your not giving your side a good look, making up numbers is a bad tactic

[Prince_of_Peace]

I can understand how atheists can completely support stem-cell research even if it kills all the fetus in the mother's womb. For an atheist, fetuses are not babies...how sad.

[Sage]

I can understand how atheists can completely support stem-cell research even if it kills all the fetus in the mother's womb. For an atheist, fetuses are not babies...how sad.

Baby. (http://ecostreet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/baby-gown.jpg)

Fetus. (http://www.ca.uky.edu/AGC/Magazine/2003/WinterSpring2003/graphics/fetus.jpg)

[Prince_of_Peace]

FETUS - http://anti-abortion.info/images/aborted_7_month_fetus.jpg

BABY - http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/24_weeks-01.jpg

[Sage]

FETUS - http://anti-abortion.info/images/aborted_7_month_fetus.jpg

BABY - http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/24_weeks-01.jpg

Nice try. The picture of a fetus you display was aborted at 7 months in. Very few abortions occur that late into pregnancy, most occur much earlier, when the fetus more resembles the one I posted.

Again, nice try, but using shock images to pull at the heartstrings of people and manipulating the soft emotions of readers only illustrates your side of the argument very poorly.

We are debating reason, not emotion here. Don't turn this into a pity party.

[Sapphire]

FETUS - http://anti-abortion.info/images/aborted_7_month_fetus.jpg

BABY - http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/24_weeks-01.jpg
Why is your "fetus" a whole month older than your "baby"? Can you not count or something?

[INFERNO]

To make it clear, without using pictures...

Fetus: "–noun, plural -tus⋅es. Embryology.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetus

Baby: "noun
1. a very young child (birth to 1 year) who has not yet begun to walk or talk; "the baby began to cry again"; "she held the baby in her arms"; "it sounds simple, but when you have your own baby it is all so different" " http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby

Prince of peace, posting images of a fetus older than the baby or even at the same age as the baby shows you have no clue what either of them are. They're not the same, and although some dictionaries may say they are the same, that is a lack of knowledge on their part.

[Camazotz]

Nice try. The picture of a fetus you display was aborted at 7 months in. Very few abortions occur that late into pregnancy, most occur much earlier, when the fetus more resembles the one I posted.

Again, nice try, but using shock images to pull at the heartstrings of people and manipulating the soft emotions of readers only illustrates your side of the argument very poorly.

We are debating reason, not emotion here. Don't turn this into a pity party.

Why is your "fetus" a whole month older than your "baby"? Can you not count or something?

To make it clear, without using pictures...

Fetus: "–noun, plural -tus⋅es. Embryology.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetus

Baby: "noun
1. a very young child (birth to 1 year) who has not yet begun to walk or talk; "the baby began to cry again"; "she held the baby in her arms"; "it sounds simple, but when you have your own baby it is all so different" " http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby

Prince of peace, posting images of a fetus older than the baby or even at the same age as the baby shows you have no clue what either of them are. They're not the same, and although some dictionaries may say they are the same, that is a lack of knowledge on their part.

Prince of Peace, these people are correct. You are falsifying evidence, the worst debating technique possible. Your "fetus" is older than your "baby". Get the facts straight before posting.

This debate is about stem cells, not abortions. Stem cells can be converted from other cells (like Kodie said). People who don't support stem-cell research don't want to find cures for diseases, which I think is wrong.

[ylllek nivyer]

Stem cell research is when they take the fetus and take it out from the mother's womb and kill it by altering it's DNA to create a human heart, lungs, kindney, etc. It is immoral and is intrinsically evil because it kills a human person just like abortion. The worst thing is Mr. Barrach Obama has overridden the ban on stem cell research. It is sad when the president of United States who is the commander in chief is not using his duly sworn duty to protect American lives which is written in the Constitution.
AGREED.
I HATE it with a passion.
a baby is a baby at the moment of conception.
sperm meets egg, BAM, baby time.
you can't say anything about how far along the pregnancy is and shit that will change my mind.
this is screwing with the cycle of things.
we were not made to get pregnant so our unborn children could be guinea pigs.
this is disguisting that anyone would try to justify this.
no offense.
shit, call me old fashioned, but i like things all natural, when you dont fuck up your children by murdering them.
this is just as disguisting as the whole teenager beats two year old thing.
cause you know what?
that little baby started off as a little tiny fetus thingy too.
so all you people that think well killing a baby is so unexceptable,
but if we go back to when it was barely developed, oh, thats just great!!!
no. i think not.
and if you don't want it, or think you cant care for it and want it
to go for a good cause, FUCK YOU.
if your gonna be responsible enough to have sex,
you better except the damn consequences.
and i know some cases are rape,
but guess what, all things happen for a reason people.
(nobody get offended, i've been raped, too. so i know)
you probly got knocked up for a reason.
and the reason is not so you can kill it.
or sacrifice it for some dumb research shit.

i'm not really fond of Obama at all.
i think this was just ONE of his major mistakes.
he has made some totally appalling decisions IMO.

sorry if i offended anyone.
i don't wanna piss people off, but i am sooo firm that this is wrong.

WRONG WRONG WRONG.

[UnholyConfessions]

I believe that Stem Cell research is good. it will be able to help find many cures and has helped people to stay alive. On the other side of the spectrum, it does seem cruel to kill a fetus in the eyes of some people, however I also support abortion to a certain extent, so it doesn't phase me much when it comes to stem cell research.

[Reality]

i'm not really fond of Obama at all.
i think this was just ONE of his major mistakes.
he has made some totally appalling decisions IMO.

sorry if i offended anyone.
i don't wanna piss people off, but i am sooo firm that this is wrong.

WRONG WRONG WRONG.
I'm quite interested to know what his other "major mistakes" are as you so clearly asserted there.

As far as this topic goes. I support Stem Cell Research. Take in mind I don't support abortion on most cases, but if a baby is aborted, I think it should still be used to some point to help others, rather than just throw it away. If Stem-Cell Research can cure many diseases and be able to successfully build new human organs that can help other people and perhaps animals, then I'm all for it.

I of course agree with the other methods of Stem-Cell Research, too.