In Thy Name Of Thy Hospital!!!

[IAMWILL]

And I bet you clicked on this because the title sounds/is weird? Anyway hello VT Staff and others Will here with my 272nd post, 32nd started thread. This one is pretty short though. Okay, so in the VT General Hospital forum there is a sticky on how to healthily lose weight. But, recently I have noticed that many people create threads asking how they can gain weight/ build muscle easily. I think it would be great if someone created a useful guide/sticky which gave people the oppurtunity of knowing how to gain weight and muscle healthily and easily. Including suggested food and drinks would be nice too! That's all I have to say really for this, so thank you for responding/reading.
All feedback is appreciated.

[Oblivion]

Gaining weight isn't usually such a huge problem- if most people just eat healthily, they will be a normal weight.
The reason it's so important to have the losing weight sticky, is because there are so many unsafe techniques that many try after failing at regular exercise and healthy eating, such as throwing up after eating, not eating, etc.
Basically, it's much more dangerous to lose weight unhealthily, than to gain weight unhealthily.

So personally, I don't think it needs to be added. It's not 'in the norm' for people to need help with weight gain, and that's what stickies are made to address.

[Mzor203]

He refered to muscle as well though... and I agree that there should be some information pertaining to working out either in general hospital or sports, as many, many teens do work out, and try to build up their bodies and muscles.So even just a healthy exercise/worout information sticky would be nice.

Sorry if I hijacked the idea, I've kind of thought about this before. =P

[Halibut]

wow that is a really good idea. because you can gain weight, but like everything else there is a wrong and right way to do it!

[Antares]

I could have sworn we had one before...

[byee]

We can always count on Will to make his new threads intelligent and worthy! One of the outstanding 13 y/o's here.

I think Will observes something quite accurate: VT has grown and changed over time, we have a much clearer idea of what it is people need by what they ask. So, it might be worthwhile for there to be an informal accounting of the posts which seem redundant, those questions which seem to be asked over and over. Then, maybe redoing the stickies in the forums to reflect this, maybe have a committee to review and revise, based on the evolving needs of the members?

[Requin]

Well, even though it's not my area, I can't see how you can't have this. I agree. This would help a lot of people.

It is debateable about how many people actually use the stickies to help them. But even so, I think this should be done. And I also agree with Sam as usual.

[IAMWILL]

Yeeeeee I'm getting support!

If it's to much trouble creating a new sticky, it could just be added to the Weight Loss one, and be renamed "Healthy ways and advice to gain and lose weight" Or so....

[Oblivion]

Yeeeeee I'm getting support!

If it's to much trouble creating a new sticky, it could just be added to the Weight Loss one, and be renamed "Healthy ways and advice to gain and lose weight" Or so....

That's what I was thinking ^_^
I suppose it is more common than I would think, and adding a little bit onto the losing weight sticky wouldn't be hard or space consuming at all, really.

[IAMWILL]

Well, I have support from regular members, mods, so where Ben, Ant and others at?!?!!!! Lol feedback from anyone else though is appreciated :)

[Oblivion]

Actually Ben is retired... He has no say. :P
Ant and Valerie don't even play much part in it, it's pretty much up to the Help and Advice mods.

[IAMWILL]

I mentioned Ben because he used to be a Admin, and is still fairly active, so I thought it would be cool to get his take.

And of course Ant and Val are Admins, so I think it would be cool to get their perspectives on the idea. I was referring to Global Mods as well though.

[Oblivion]

Ah yeah, other's perspectives are always good!
Especially Ant and Valerie's :D

And Ben's I guess. ;) :P

[IAMWILL]

Still waiting...................... lol will anyone volunteer to confer with the Help and Advice Mods and other staff and create this addition/sticky? I will do it if no one volunteers or decides to...

[Atonement]

If you want that to happen, we're always open to submissions. AKA, make it and we consider? :P

And its just a trend right now. Its not like we've seen it consistently popular for a long time, sure, its moer to have, but there are a lot of trends that VT goes in.

Also, I think, H&A mods, just add a second section to the how to lose weight sticky and rename it. simple, eh?

[IAMWILL]

If you want that to happen, we're always open to submissions. AKA, make it and we consider? :P

And its just a trend right now. Its not like we've seen it consistently popular for a long time, sure, its moer to have, but there are a lot of trends that VT goes in.

Also, I think, H&A mods, just add a second section to the how to lose weight sticky and rename it. simple, eh?

Did you even read the posts above you? No offense, but all of your concerns/questions were talked about above, and Nick and I already discussed adding this to the weight loss sticky...

[Atonement]

Did you even read the posts above you? No offense, but all of your concerns/questions were talked about above, and Nick and I already discussed adding this to the weight loss sticky...


Hence why I was supporting it? Wow

[byee]

I think Will is looking for 'official' permission to do this, which is appropriate.

There are 2 issues here as I see it. The first is the particular weight loss Sticky Will has in mind. I personally think this is a good idea, esp. given the (unfortunate) world wide problem of teen obesity, which is also reflective of the q's we have here on the subject.

The second is the broader issue I raised about the benefit of reviewing the q's that seem to be redundant here and adding to and streamlining the current Stickies to better serve the concerns of the members. I know John was looking into this, maybe an update is in order?

[IAMWILL]

Hence why I was supporting it? Wow

Your writing in the post proposed an idea already considered, not support.

Anyway though, I guess I will write up a first draft of the addition, submit it to a Mod, and see what happens.

[iJack]

Dude! You dont need permission, write it an post it, if people like it, a mod will stick it.

[Oblivion]

Dude! You dont need permission, write it an post it, if people like it, a mod will stick it.

Exactly. *kudos for Jack*
You don't have to get permission to make the thread. If you'd like to write it, write it. If not, we can write it, but you have to tell us either way.
If we decide to merge the two, it's fairly easy to do, even after you make the thread of your own [if you decide to make it].

[byee]

Not to belabor the point, but it would seem to me that one of the responsibilities of moderating is to read the posts under your supervision. So, it would seem natural that the Mods should have a sense of the needs of the people posting in their areas, by the frequency with which questions/issues are raised. This would make it easier for them to then decide which topics are good candidates for stickies, and either make one themself from posted answers, or create one of their own, OR ask people to develop one.

Will is noticing a need, and in the absence of any clear policy here is bringing it to the attention of the Mods. It would seem appropriate now for the Mods responsible for the VT General Hospital to give him the go ahead to write the sticky so he's not wastng his time.

[Oblivion]

He, like any member of the site, can make any thread he chooses. If it's well done, and has the qualities needed in a sticky [and all H&A mods agree], it will be stuck. No one needs to give him a go ahead.
Otherwise, he has the option to ask us to do it.

Either way we need to know how he wants it done, since it was his idea.

[IAMWILL]

Or I can become a Mod and all your wildest dreams will be fulfilled! ;)

Your all wrong, yet right. I wasn't asking for permission, I was asking for support and opinions. I guess I will write it though, it'll be there tommorow.

MAJOR EDIT: Done! Check it out!

[Kiros]

Well, I have support from regular members, mods, so where Ben, Ant and others at?!?!!!! Lol feedback from anyone else though is appreciated :)

Boooo! I saw this thread and I thought to myself, "Should I really read a thread that has 'Thy' in the title TWICE? Nah."

As for the concept, I support it to a point. It's important to be healthy, yes, but people that need to gain weight usually don't suffer from lack of knowledge. It's usually more of a psychological factor.

For instance, if a person is 5'9" and weighs 100 pounds, they have a significantly underweight BMI. It's obvious that consuming more nutrition would aid in gaining weight, however, said person may not accept that. As I've seen it before, "No, I will not eat more! I don't need to gain more weight. I just want to change how my body looks." Albeit is a paraphrased version, it demonstrates what is really going on.

Although I'm probably going to suffer some lip from a few people for this, I'm willing to say that gaining weight is far easier than losing weight. Our bodies have evolved into highly efficient, weight-gaining machines. Like it or not, you will gain weight if you eat the whole turkey. You will only maintain your weight if you do not eat the turkey. You will only lose weight if you do not eat the turkey and do enough physical activity to burn a sufficient amount of calories. And since we all eat, gaining weight is far easier than losing weight. To finalize this point, look at America's overweight epidemic. Gaining weight is not so hard.

So again, I support this idea to a point, because being healthy is important, but it may not actually help people that need to gain weight. That's my two cents.

[IAMWILL]

Woot!!! Well I already wrote it, so that's that. Read it people! Responses are appreciated!

[Mzor203]

Like it or not, you will gain weight if you eat the whole turkey. You will only maintain your weight if you do not eat the turkey.

I have to disagree with this, because I can eat the whole turket and still gain NOTHING. I've been stuck at around... 90-95 pounds for a year, when I am not any more active by any means by another teen my age, and eat tons more than would seem fitting for my size. Don't like to disagree with you Ben but, I have seen some people with some pretty supercharged metabolisms. And I will say that it does cut down on self esteem. I am as tall as some people in my grade, but still seem shorter than them due to how skinny I am.

So yeah, a weight-gain/working out guide is needed to an extent, for sure...

[The Batman]

Woot!!! Well I already wrote it, so that's that. Read it people! Rep and responses are appreciated!

Are you really asking for Rep???? Dude this is not the way to get it.

[IAMWILL]

It was a joke..... I will edit it out though if it makes you unhappy.

[Kiros]

I have to disagree with this, because I can eat the whole turket and still gain NOTHING. I've been stuck at around... 90-95 pounds for a year, when I am not any more active by any means by another teen my age, and eat tons more than would seem fitting for my size. Don't like to disagree with you Ben but, I have seen some people with some pretty supercharged metabolisms. And I will say that it does cut down on self esteem. I am as tall as some people in my grade, but still seem shorter than them due to how skinny I am.

So yeah, a weight-gain/working out guide is needed to an extent, for sure...

You can disagree with me all that you want. It doesn't change the fact that you will, in fact, gain as much weight as the substance you eat regardless if it's temporary or otherwise. If you consistently consume an elevated nutrition intake (meaning calories, for the sake of simplicity), it will result in a sustained, increased body mass; UNLESS your are this man (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1022505.ece), have the same condition as he does, or have a severe disorder involving your small intestine. It's the truth of the matter. You might have had failed attempts at weight gain just as millions more have had failed attempts at weight loss. Metabolic disorders may make weight gain/loss harder, but definitely not impossible. The culprit is typically either food or activity--sometimes both. If activity is not to blame, then the person should focus on food. Plain and simple, gaining weight is simpler than losing weight because of the nature of our lives. And again, you can disagree with me or shun me or mock me all that you want for saying something that is so blunt and simple, but that's the way things work. But let's refrain from getting into a fueled debate about this in a suggestion thread. If you would like to discuss this more, invite me to a debate thread and I'll show you the logic behind my feeble-minded statements.

[iJack]

I have to disagree with this, because I can eat the whole turket and still gain NOTHING. I've been stuck at around... 90-95 pounds for a year, when I am not any more active by any means by another teen my age, and eat tons more than would seem fitting for my size.

Lucky [email protected]#$%...:P

This is kinda getting out of hand.

[Zephyr]

Okay guys... this isn't Ramblings Of The Wise.

Simma' down ;)

[IAMWILL]

I love how every thread I start either becomes an excessive, mislead, pointless, and sometimes epic argument, or a thread that is replied to by many. This.... Well it was both....

[byee]

*sigh* no where does it feel more like shouting in the darkness than in this forum.

Again, let me restate my humble opinion that the site would be well served if there was a procedure in place for identifying which topics require a sticky, and then another process for deciding who writes it, edits it, and approves it.

Matching the needs of the community to some of the really talented people here should be something that's seamless and automatic, it shouldn't need to be so complicted or difficult.

[Mzor203]

Well, no one should really be relied on as 'sticky writers,' as a certain consistent quality is needed for every sticky over multiple areas of expertise, and if that was the case then the obvious choice would be the mods of said forum, as they were chosen for their performance in that field. Pretty much, it's up to the staff of the forum to do the editing, revising, approving, etc. with stickies in that area. It doesn't seem like a complicated process to me. You can write a topic, PM the mods of the forum if you feel it should be stickied, and they'll do their thing. Very simple, actually.

[IAMWILL]

I think what Sam is trying to say here (although I'm most likely wrong) is that certain people on this cite are very intelligent and know how to read what people want, and what's necessary or reasonable. Also, there should be a place where people can discuss these things.

And it doesn't have to be ony Mods. Sure, they were picked because they showed excellence in many fields, but there are plenty of other people on this cite that have extrordinary knowledge and understanding.

Not to say anything or start another riot, but I started a thread that was supported by Mods and was taken into consideration and has a chance of succeding. I'm not a Mod though.

[Atonement]

Just throwing this out and that is back a while ago. I remember Cody talking about "content writers" which were just that, staff members that knew how to compile and write information for the general public.

I think it is fine how it is which members submitting information, and if mods like it or wish to take it in, add, subtract, edit, etc. then sticky, they can. I dont think its that complicated.

[Oblivion]

As far as I can see, no one ever discouraged you making the topic, nor did anyone consider you less equal because you aren't staff.
You made the thread, and as we speak, H&A mods are considering it for merging with the sticky.
I don't see a problem at all, honestly.


Also, there should be a place where people can discuss these things.
That's what were doing right now in this thread, right?

[IAMWILL]

^^ I guess..... I kinda meant like somewhere only for sticky ideas, but you're right lol!

And I guess Yay! It's being taken into consideration! (well I guess more than just being replied to and supported)

And all for nothing...