School shootings

[JacobHerrington]

Some blame music
Some blame video games
Some blame guns.
But what is the real reason school shootings happen?

Personally i think the reason is bullying.

[Whisper]

Failing educational system
Failing retributive penal system
Failing parents

[Oblivion]

A mix between social nonacceptance/bullying,
And bad parenting/bad teachers.
If anyone cared enough to notice when someone was going crazy with being bullied, they could get them to talk about it, and stop it.

[theOperaGhost]

I would say parents are a HUGE factor.
Bullying is a factor, but parents/home life is bigger.
Media is also a major factor. Not necessarily video games and music and stuff, but even the news.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Failing educational system
Failing retributive penal system
Failing parents

QFT!!!

Biggest of those three (and most often overlooked) is the third one; the parents are rarely blamed. If not NEVER.

Oh yeah, and honestly, people in general are just fucked up (excuse the language). Some people have serious mental problems, and videogames and music surely didn't cause them to "act on" their mental dysfuncions. For example, they liked violent video games BECAUSE they had some twisted and sadistic mental state to BEGIN with.

Now if the parents could have SEEN this early on, they could have gotten their children the help they needed BEFORE they killed other kids.

[JacobHerrington]

somthing i forgot to mention

Smome are drvien to mandess such as Reb and Vodka( columbine) by bullying
But with people like Cho(V Tech) its kinda a mystery.
It could be mental insanity. we'll never be sure

[Halibut]

ya most likely bullying but othere things certainly effect it like video games. people get bored with the game and want something real.

[A.J.]

No song, no film, and certainly no video game can be the soul reason of violence. People who are opposed to say Gangsta Rap, or GTA games will use this argument so they can see what they don't like banned, which is censorship and ignorance, Its bullshit. They focus people's attention away from helping the person with an obvious mental and/or emotional problem they have. But of course, there are quite a few stupid people in the world to follow these arguments.

[Antares]

I blame, the people and the parents.
And the teachers.

I blame the students for being so damn mean to people. I mean, there is NO reason why you have to show so manyh negative feelings to people. Everyone is different and if they are not always on your side that doesnt mean you have to treat them like crap. Also, just because you are "popular" doesn't mean you are better than ANYONE else.
Ugh. pisses me off.

The parents simply for the fact of not realizing the issues that people are going through and not reporting them and even not taking them seriously.
Thats a problem.

And finally the teachers and staff for not intervening when they KNOW that people aren't happy or they witness those acts of violence.

So ya. They all piss me off. Thats why I think that you need to make the most of your time with everyone on this planet because if you are mean to them, there is a possibilty that they will take your life.

[Sporadica]

I blame these

- bad parents
- bullies
- bad educational system
- bad media system
- bad justice system and crappy punishments

I will never blame guns cuz if they wanted to kill ppl they'd get a knife or a sword or they'd be an arsonist or bombs

[INFERNO]

Bad parents, bad teachers, bullying, media, poor support and ineffective/little punishments are the main factors. I don't think it's fair to say one contributes significantly more to the other in order to generalize it to all school shooters.

[Narwhale343]

I think it is caused by a person pushed off the edge of sanity. Like everyone says parents and bullying are one of the main reasons(Although the shooters who caused terrors at Columbine. Their parents didn't abuse them.) Plus the violence in media causes people to do such horrible things

[CaptainObvious]

For all of these different directions to blame, at the end of the day sometimes people just go crazy, and it's not always possible to predict. This is one of the major reasons why I support stricter gun control; a madman with a knife kills maybe 1 or 2 people; with a gun it can be 10 times as many.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

1) Bullying
2) Untreated mental issues
3) Bad parenting
4) Desensitized society

[The Batman]

The media
Bullying
Parents
Mental Problems

[Curthose93]

Mei-b tey haz bludlustt. Berserkers orr sum shyit.

[MysticalBurrito]

Bad parents, bad teachers, bullying, media, poor support and ineffective/little punishments
Or maybe the person has a medical disorder and tyhose problem just make it worse until the person explodes with anger


I think it is caused by a person pushed off the edge of sanity. Like everyone says parents and bullying are one of the main reasons(Although the shooters who caused terrors at Columbine. Their parents didn't abuse them.) Plus the violence in media causes people to do such horrible things
+rep

I think vidoe game arent helping one fucking bit now adays
rated M+ games are getting sold to teenagers 13+
Then as soon as they get bored how bout a school shoot out?!
Thats mostly what i fear in my school someone tried to start a fire in the vents thank god everyone ggot out and they arrested the asshole but video games and rap music singing and acting out in the matter of killing other people is affecting teenagers more than those stupid sceintists are noticing!!

[Narwhale343]

I think videogames can be a good way for SOME kids to let go of some steam. Though bad for people who are mentally ill. Why I think it's good is because in some games you're just fighting not real computer programs/

[Spin]

I hate it when people blame video games, music, shows, etc. Those things aren't meant to be taking seriously, a sane person would know that they're not real. First of all if you actually think that the things in grand theft auto are normal behavior and it's cool to do them then you are probably already pretty fucked up, and you shouldn't be playing those games or watching those shows. Which brings bad parenting into it because a good parent, that knows their kid is a ticking time bomb wouldn't let their kids play or watch violent things. So all in all I think that if a kid is going to bring a gun to school and shoot it up they already have something wrong with them, and their parents probably suck. Now, of course this isn't the case for all school shootings.

[Spin]

Or maybe the person has a medical disorder and tyhose problem just make it worse until the person explodes with anger



+rep

I think vidoe game arent helping one fucking bit now adays
rated M+ games are getting sold to teenagers 13+
Then as soon as they get bored how bout a school shoot out?!
Thats mostly what i fear in my school someone tried to start a fire in the vents thank god everyone ggot out and they arrested the asshole but video games and rap music singing and acting out in the matter of killing other people is affecting teenagers more than those stupid sceintists are noticing!!

Please don't generalize rap music like that. Some rock songs have some pretty messed up lyrics too.

[ShatteredGlass]

Not enough people caring, no one really listening until there is a problem, the shortcomings of parents, the shortcomings of friends, counselors, teachers, of homosapians in general

[NightHawksr71]

Parents
Teachers
Bullying
Mental health(depression, other problems)


Those, I don't believe video games have anything to do with it, You play a game because you enjoy it. it doesn't run up to punch you in the face and tell you to play it, then tell you to go on a killing spree afterwards. I do believe the newspapers and News has something to do with it. If they hear how successful someone was at killing and maiming all the people they hated at their school then if thats what they want to accomplish, they will be more likely to attempt something similar, its simply "oh that worked for them, I'll try it", and yes sometimes some people are just the kind of people that want to kill and maim, because they enjoy it.

[Reality]

Bullying
Mental issues
Loss of self-control
Temptation

I don't think violent music, videogames or TV/movies have much to do with it, although the boys that commited to Columbine Massacre apparently planned out their attack by re-creating their high school on the old PC game 'DOOM', but then again they could've easily have drawn it out on paper or something, so this isn't really a big deal.

In fact I think music/games/TV shows have the opposite effect on most people, as they use this entertainment as a way to steam off - listen to a hard rock/rap song to kill anger, or play Grand Theft Auto when they're pissed off at people..

I'm sorry, but people who kill people because of violent media aren't exactly sane/fit, and if media sends them wild, then they're too weak-willed and shouldn't be playing violent videogames or whatever anyway.

It's funny that people think violent videogames or TV shows (like wrestling or action movies) are bad for kids, yet, most of us were raised on that stuff, and most of the people who went "crazy" on it were actually adults.

[Curthose93]

the boys that commited to Columbine Massacre apparently planned out their attack by re-creating their high school on the old PC game 'DOOM'

That's bull. Doom is just a simulacrum of violence. Using Doom to plan a real life attack would require alot of imagination- so much so that the game becomes irrelevant to planning.

[Reality]

http://www.out-law.com/page-1587

Yeah, various videogame companies were sued for it. Even if they were influenced by DOOM, I don't think it's an excuse, and it would've happened anyway. I read the thing about them planning the attacks on Wikipedia.

[left footed mofo]

Some blame music
Some blame video games
Some blame guns.
But what is the real reason school shootings happen?

Personally i think the reason is bullying.

SOME blame guns?:rolleyes:
I think guns are HEAVILY to blame.

But being serious, some people are just mentally unbalanced/unwell and do it because of schizophrenia (not saying all schizophrenics are maniacs, seeing as i'm one), cacodemonomaina or whatever.
Music: No
Video games: No
Bullying: Partaily
Think of the millions of people who are bullied every day, and the <10 school shootings that have happened.
It's completely possible that after the colombine guy blamed bullying, people who were going to do it anyway for whatever messed up reason, thought that being bullied was a good excuse.

I blame mental unbalance, nothing more, nothing less

[itsJustme89]

I don't think guns are to blame, they are just a tool used by mentally unbalance people.
I think it has to more to do with the lack of parenting and how we treat each other. I was bullied and picked on all throughout school and it ended up making me very depressed. When people get that way they will either lash out at others (school shootings) or themselves (suicide). Anyway I think there needs to be more help for people who have mental issues, and parents need to pay attention and seek help for their kids if they need it. just my 2 cents

[Reality]

Bullying: Partaily
Think of the millions of people who are bullied every day, and the <10 school shootings that have happened.
It's completely possible that after the colombine guy blamed bullying, people who were going to do it anyway for whatever messed up reason, thought that being bullied was a good excuse.

I blame mental unbalance, nothing more, nothing less
I wish you'd stop using the fact they're rare as a justification for it. And please don't be one to judge - it's been proven that that Harrison and Klebold (the Columbine murderers) were in fact bullied at their school. "they thought it'd be a good excuse" and then say they were mentally imbalanced? It's one or the other.

[left footed mofo]

I wish you'd stop using the fact they're rare as a justification for it. And please don't be one to judge - it's been proven that that Harrison and Klebold (the Columbine murderers) were in fact bullied at their school. "they thought it'd be a good excuse" and then say they were mentally imbalanced? It's one or the other.

It being rare isn't a justification, i'm just saying, with how rare they are, it's doubtful that bullying is the sole reason for it.
The columbine guys may have been bullied, i'm not denying it, but normal people don't react ti being bullied by killing people, there had to be some mental imbalance/other non-bullying-related problem in the mix..
It doesn't have to be one or the other, they could have been imbalanced, done the shooting, and then used bullying as an excuse.

[Sunshine Girl]

Have you read "give a boy a gun"
its really amazing.
:)

[left footed mofo]

Anyone who want's to talk bullying, there's an aptly named thread in 'ramblings of the wise'