Pledge Of Allegiance

[ShatteredWings]

Do you think it's right to make anyone say it in school?
I'm WELL aware that, technically, no one can make you say it in school, but there are teachers who will.

Do you think it's a good think to have it in school starting at elementary school, and force the kids to say it? (in second grade, the kid isn't going to know they don't have to.)

Do some simple words REALLY mean anything?

[Mzor203]

Apparently Canada doesn't make you do that...

But no, I don't think people should have to. I think those words can actually mean something, personally, and don't think people should be asked to say them unless they are old enough to know what they are saying.

[JacobHerrington]

i for one refuse to say the pledge due to my philosophy .
it means swearing alligence to a country. somthing i will not do.
im kind of an anacrchist.t
no its not good to force it in school its brainwashing.
it reminds me of nazi germany. in fact the way they used to salute the flag is very remincent of the nazi salute.

[ShatteredWings]

I'm not going off on an anarchy tangent. haha

I just think trying to teach this so young is stupid. Kids don't understand it, and can be made to believe anything.

[Oblivion]

I think its absurd.
Not only does it make a lot of people uncomfortable, but it also mentions God (which makes some even more uncomfortable, and it makes it unconstitutional)
Not only that, but it makes it meaningless. Whats the point of 'not' making everyone say the pledge if they don't mean it?
Since kindergarten, kids are told to say it, and none of them even understand what they are saying.
They are pledging themselves to a country they know nothing about every day, just because they are told.

Its way over used, thus making it meaningless.

[Art_dude]

Absolutely not: no child should be forced to say the pledge of alligence. Nor do I think it should be taught in elementary school because they can't understand or comprehend what it means. That is exactly what childhood indoctrination is whether it be religious, economic, or political: you are teaching a complex adult concept to a child at an early age and they are brainwashed to do it.

[Whisper]

Its not my country but yes I'm 100% for it
there trying to instill a sense of patriotism and loyalty to ones country

I wish Canada had something similar but we're to chicken shit about pissing off immigrants

[Oblivion]

Its not my country but yes I'm 100% for it
there trying to instill a sense of patriotism and loyalty to ones country

I wish Canada had something similar but we're to chicken shit about pissing off immigrants

But they are instilling it without the kids knowing what they are doing wiht little kids.

And for me its almost like making a joke of the pledge, since everyone does it every day.
It means nothing; its just something we have to do for school.
I have no stronger feelings for the US after saying it, and I doubt many others do.

[Whisper]

But they are instilling it without the kids knowing what they are doing wiht little kids.

And for me its almost like making a joke of the pledge, since everyone does it every day.
It means nothing; its just something we have to do for school.
I have no stronger feelings for the US after saying it, and I doubt many others do.

You still take american history, you know and learn about previous leaders etc...
Dam near everything I know about Canada I went out and learned on my own through books and the interweb cause my social taught like fuck all
Americans treat their flags with far more respect
They are openly patriotic
etc.....

I was in homeschool for along time, but even when I was in the public system (or people I know that were in it) so much as trying to find a Canadian flag or one that wasn't ripped in half and destroyed on school property was no small task. In elementary we used to sing O Canada before assembly's but we stopped after a girl complained that she wasn't Canadian and shouldn't be forced to listen to it.

Hell a Canadian solider holds the record for longest confirmed kill with a sniper round its like over 2 miles er some shit
the AMERICAN military gave him a metal
Canada quietly honorably discharged him


I know its way off topic
I just think its brilliant to see America trying to instill patriotism
In some fashion or another because (yes Anthony i'll go on record) America kicks ass it has its faults like every country but theres a great deal to be proud of

Canada at least where I've lived (all over western Canada) doesn't period
and I find that so sad

Hell we even have a separatist party controlling 50 seats in parliament
Were not only NOT patriotic were trying to tear our home apart


So personally any attempt to try and bring pride and unity is a good thing
but thats me


I know i'm gonna get slammed for this but
fuck it

[Camazotz]

I've got mixed feelings. I agree with Kodie that patriotism is important. But I also agree that we should have the right to not say the pledge of allegiance. Not many people take it seriously enough, and just say it like they're random words.

[Mannequin]

People should just do it. Honestly people are so concerned about their rights....No one cares. How much effort does it take to half-ass a pledge every morning...students talk during it anyways?

[Talia]

At my old school they made you say it every morning, so now to me it doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a bunch of words.

[Uprising]

Yes the song is about being loyal to your country. I think it's a show of respect for our great nation.

[Jean Poutine]

Canada at least where I've lived (all over western Canada) doesn't period
and I find that so sad

Hell we even have a separatist party controlling 50 seats in parliament
Were not only NOT patriotic were trying to tear our home apart


So personally any attempt to try and bring pride and unity is a good thing
but thats me
Here in Québec, we ARE openly patriotic.

The only thing is that our patriotism goes towards the wrong entity, as you said.

[LaLa]

personally, i'm all for it. no one is forcing you to say the pledge, but i will say one thing our country is founded on christian principles though we aren't all christians, that's just the way it was written. the whole idea is to pledge fealty to your country not go against your beliefs, it's just words...

[nick979]

Well, in California, they no longer allow teachers to present it in classes (but some schools haven't received the memo I guess...but as of May 1st 2007, it's not allowed.

I believe EVERYONE should receive some exposure to the pledge of allegiance. People need to know it exists, it does honor the country (in some way...I'm not sure how). I think it should be integrated into some form of high school history (U.S. History perhaps). That way you can identify the key parts and what it means but NOT be required to honor it/pledge yourself using it. People do get exposure to it though, since it's done at sporting events.

As far as the American Salute to the Flag being similar to the nazi salute (like someone posted above)...I had to research that. It is NOWHERE near the same or even similar as the nazi salute.

[ManyPearTree]

I honestly get mad when kids in my class don't it. They just sit and talk basically saying "Fuck You America". It really pisses me off because my dad was out there defending America for 16 years! And he got hit by an IED twice and still lived. Me personally think that If you live in America you should say it at least to honor all the people who died defending out country even if you don't mean it.

[Θάνατος]

I think it is perfectly alright to say the Pledge Of Allegiance in school. I feel that we need to show some Patriotism in America. That is one of the problems with the Unites States all of our right from the constitution are being revoked because some refugee comes here and does like being loyal to the country who just gave that person a better life. Beside the fact that most people who complain the most don't ever pay any taxes but are on some sort of welfare.

[ShatteredWings]

Me personally think that If you live in America you should say it at least to honor all the people who died defending out country even if you don't mean it.

Wait
Back up.

Honor something, even if you don't mean it?
Then it's not honoring it, it's spitting back useless BS that just is a bother

[redcar]

This is the current pledge?
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

I think this is something no one should be made to say and someone should not be victimised for not saying it. People have free will and right not to say it, isn't that like what America stands for freedom?

The arguement that people who don't say it are saing "fuck you America" and disrespecting people who fight in America's battles is bullshit. Again it is all about freedom. If you force someone to say that, I don't care what anyone says, I can see connections to a similar act that occured during 1930's and 40's in Germany.

People have a right to support their country or not. People have a right to be proud of their countries action or not. It's ultimatly about freedom.

[ShatteredWings]

Yes alex that's the right one (are there other verisons?...)


the freedom is where my problem lies.
if you want to say something, fine. i don't see why you can be forced. my first period math teacher(last semseter) WILL make you say it (he's a lil nutty), and that just doesn't seem right

[ManyPearTree]

Sorry I just got a little mad...

[Junky]

Sometimes I think we have to much freedom......now back to topic I think you should be made to say the pledge of allegiance if you don't wanna say under god then don't. Honestly have you people ever read the pledge of allegiance. It doesn't say anything about swearing fealty (where do you get these ideas from) you don't have to join the military, you don't have to vote, nobodies forced to do anything than follow laws that are common in most all countries. All your doing is pledging your LOYALTY toward the USA and if you don't want to do that then just leave.

I Pledge Allegiance I Promise to be faithful and true (Promise my loyalty)
to the flag to the emblem that stands for and represents

of the United States all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag

of America yet formed into a UNION of one Nation.

and to the Republic And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that
is itself a Republic, a form of government where the PEOPLE are sovereign,

for which it stands, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty.

one Nation under God, These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource" (according to the words of President Eisenhower)

Indivisible, and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history)

with Liberty The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",

and Justice And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle,

for All. And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.

God i wish people would be a little proud and patriotic toward their country it makes me sick when i see people just talking through the pledge so some god damn respect.:mad:

[RsHsChK2012]

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[Camazotz]

really. i think you should. because a lot of people in the U.S. dont know how good they got it made over here. we're a free country. we have people fightin for it all the time. and most people dont even appreciate it. which makes me really mad. i mean the least you could do is take 20 seconds to say a pledge.

But if you don't agree with the pledge or what it stands for, you shouldn't be forced to say it. I agree that most people should say it, however the Pledge of Allegiance shows how we have the freedom to not say it if we choose not to.

[RsHsChK2012]

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[ShatteredGlass]

Well, i think words are extremely powerful but know i do not say or believe in the american pledge of alleigance. Because one: why am i pledging my alleigance to a flag? a piece of cloth, that's stupid. And justice for all? Please are justice system may be better than many but justice for all is a bold overstatment, a 7 year-old shoots his uncle and father and gets life, but no one looks into why meanwhile a man gets shot more than 50 times on his wedding day and the cops responsible are only suspended? That is not justice for all. Which ties into liberty, because if justice isnt done, people have their liberty taken away unneccesarily. which is not liberty for all. Indivisible? What do they mean indivisble? Um....let's think Civil war anyone? Or how about the last presidential election, we were sooooo divided, those for McCain and those for Obama. I do believe we are under God so yes, i believe that part and a periodically say it. But know i do not like or agree with the pledge of alleigance.

[Antares]

Well, the kids learn it. They recite it everyday but they don't have the mental capacity to fully wrap their heads around it :P. I didn't actually think about it until middle school. I didn't fully understand it and all of its parts and the background until 9th grade, on my own accord. The schools just don't teach them. If they would dedicate a day on deciphering it, it would actually be fully meaningful but right now, its not.

[Halibut]

the pledge of allegiance is a american thing right? what exaclty is it

[Church]

Hell a Canadian solider holds the record for longest confirmed kill with a sniper round its like over 2 miles er some shit
the AMERICAN military gave him a metal
Canada quietly honorably discharged him






It's a Canadian that holds the longest confirmed bow kill, 2 miles in Iraq

[theOperaGhost]

It's a Canadian that holds the longest confirmed bow kill, 2 miles in Iraq
Please stay on topic.


the pledge of allegiance is a american thing
right? what exaclty is it

The Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[TAC1]

My cousin goes to school in the US. He says everyday before class starts everyone has to say the pledge of allegiance. he isn't and American citizen so should he have to say the pledge of allegiance. BTW whats up with the putting of the right hand over the heart?

Merged with existing thread. -thePianoMan

[Church]

No one is forcing him to say it, also the right hand thing is just tradition, some people salute while doing it or hold hat over heart

[ShatteredWings]

Church, that's not always true.

IN my school you do get crap from certain teachers.. noteably my first period last semester (that guy was a good teacher though).



Jupiter: i like that idea. Maybe if schools started teaching what it means to recite that every single day of your life, people would have a better understanding

[AutumnDae]

We aren't forced to say it in my first period class. Not many of us do...

Next year in Social Studies we are studying the whole thing and having like a week long discussion/debate over the whole thing.

[Prince_of_Peace]

America is founded by forefathers who once believe in God. Pilgims came to America because of religions freedom. Freedom of Religion is protected by the Bill of Rights and us written in United States Constitution. The meaing of "seperation of church and state" means that government should NOT mingle with the affairs of religion! The pledge of Alligiance is now ruled unconstitutional because of the world "under God."


In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school .... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.).. And we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents.. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

[theOperaGhost]

America is founded by forefathers who once believe in God. Pilgims came to America because of religions freedom. Freedom of Religion is protected by the Bill of Rights and us written in United States Constitution. The meaing of "seperation of church and state" means that government should NOT mingle with the affairs of religion! The pledge of Alligiance is now ruled unconstitutional because of the world "under God."

Separation of church and state also means the affairs of religion should NOT mingle with government, which is EXACTLY what the evangelical movement is doing. They though President Bush was a God-send because of his religious views and they tried to change the government to go with their beliefs. That should NOT happen.

[Sage]

America is founded by forefathers who once believe in God. Pilgims came to America because of religions freedom. Freedom of Religion is protected by the Bill of Rights and us written in United States Constitution. The meaing of "seperation of church and state" means that government should NOT mingle with the affairs of religion! The pledge of Alligiance is now ruled unconstitutional because of the world "under God."


In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school .... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.).. And we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents.. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

You've posted that damned article in three threads, now.

[MykeSoBe]

America is founded by forefathers who once believe in God. Pilgims came to America because of religions freedom. Freedom of Religion is protected by the Bill of Rights and us written in United States Constitution. The meaing of "seperation of church and state" means that government should NOT mingle with the affairs of religion! The pledge of Alligiance is now ruled unconstitutional because of the world "under God."


In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school .... the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.).. And we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents.. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Really read this information, especially those of you saying that we shouldn't even say the pledge at all. This guy really makes a lot of fine points with this. I mean, should we not give a little more honor to the One that our first settlers sought for religion? If people don't like it that they're required to say the pledge, or just don't even want it in school, they should go move to another country. Take Libya for example. Yeah, you'll really have fun there, especially as being the nation of the world with the least amount of social freedom. Then you'll wish you said the Pledge. Even if you aren't Christian, give a bit of thought to it. Those of you who are not Christian, you should be lucky that we even let these religions co-exist peacefully.

I go to a regular school, but as being a devout Catholic, I say the pledge everyday out loud. If it was a prayer, would I be saying it out loud? No. No-one would. I appreciate our social freedom, and I appreciate that He has been able to lend it to us despite our ignorance.

Another thing I'd like to point out. It's not like they're saying "Jesus Christ" in it. Just "God". "God" can refer to any god, or it can be the superior god (or goddess) in your religion.

Or imagine being in the UK. They sing "God Save the Queen". Does this imply to the whole British populace? No!! It basically has me thinking that only the Queen is important enough to be protected from Him, and not the British populace as a whole. Now, what would you rather sing, the Pledge, or "God Save [Only the] Queen"?

Really think about the ignorant people in this world. And also those who go against the Pledge. Those people may end up going against their religion, or probably already have. Just think, really!

[adam dockery]

i dont see wat the big deal is, if u dont wanna say it then dont say it. ppl are just trying to be loyal to there country

[upright_citizen]

I don't think anyone should have to pledge to anything period.
just because someone refuses to pledge to a flag or sing an anthem doesn't make them unpatriotic or disrespectful. being patriotic isn't waving a flag and pledging to it. you can be patriotic in more ways than one. imho I think the most patriotic thing you can do is speak out against your government and stand up to it and try to make a difference in your country.
I think someone else pointed it out too but national anthems and pledging to flags is a fascist thing and nationalistic. and way too many people mistake nationalism for patriotism. thinking your country is the best is nationalism.

[Sporadica]

Apparently Canada doesn't make you do that...

But no, I don't think people should have to. I think those words can actually mean something, personally, and don't think people should be asked to say them unless they are old enough to know what they are saying.

Ya in Canada we don't make people pledge to the country if they don't want to and I think that's fair. but I hate how the playing of the national anthem was taken out cuz some dumbass immigrant mother wanted it gone and of coarse we never bend to put pottentioly offensive things in schools but we always take currently offensive or offensive appearing things at the whim of a complaint

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

;433552']Do you think it's right to make anyone say it in school?
I'm WELL aware that, technically, no one can make you say it in school, but there are teachers who will.

Do you think it's a good think to have it in school starting at elementary school, and force the kids to say it? (in second grade, the kid isn't going to know they don't have to.)

Do some simple words REALLY mean anything?

I think it is perfectly all right. Those words mean alot to me even though for the most part I strongly dislike 'America' and 'God'. For some reason when I do that pledge it makes me feel as if I am paying my respects to the people who died to preserve my freedom, and it really pisses me off when im the only person doing it besides the teacher. What has this nation come to?? :(

[Curthose93]

No one should be required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. I, personally, refuse to even stand when the pledge is recited until "under god" is removed from it.

[kingpinnn]

i think that a country need a common bond, and that people in that country should support it...we have seen a loss of patriotism and a loss of values...we must teach our children what this country is and what it represents...is you dont like it, get out...

[Peace God]

we have seen a loss of patriotism and a loss of values...
and...?
we must teach our children what this country is and what it represents...if you dont like it, get out...
that is not what this country represents

[Jess]

I don't say it out loud. I just stand up with the others and put my right hand over my heart.

[Art_dude]

If you really feel the need to express your 'patriotism' by reciting a couple verses with your hand over your heart than by all means embarrass yourself. But don't brainwash others, especially children to join you.

To quote Mark Twain....

"Patriotism is standing behind your country all the time, and supporting your government when it deserves it."

Just because I choose not to blindly pledge allegiance to a country doesn't mean I am not patriotic and support the concept and practices of what I consider one of the greatest ideas of democracy in the history of mankind. I'm so exhausted from hearing this conservative, 'your not patriotic' bull shit all the time. If anything, the ones objecting the pledge are the one's being patriotic here, exercising that whole 'free speech' thing. Remember that?

[Obscene Eyedeas]

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