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nwshc
December 19th, 2005, 02:55 PM
Bush says he signed NSA wiretap order
Adds he OK'd program more than 30 times, will continue to do so

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In acknowledging the message was true, President Bush took aim at the messenger Saturday, saying that a newspaper jeopardized national security by revealing that he authorized wiretaps on U.S. citizens after September 11.

After The New York Times reported, and CNN confirmed, a claim that Bush gave the National Security Agency license to eavesdrop on Americans communicating with people overseas, the president said that his actions were permissible, but that leaking the revelation to the media was illegal.

During an unusual live, on-camera version of his weekly radio address, Bush said such authorization is "fully consistent" with his "constitutional responsibilities and authorities." (Watch Bush explain why he 'authorized the National Security Agency ... to intercept' -- 4:29)

Bush added: "Yesterday the existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports, after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk."

He acknowledged during the address that he allowed the NSA "to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations."

The highly classified program was crucial to national security and designed "to detect and prevent terrorist attacks," he added. (Transcript)

The NSA eavesdrops on billions of communications worldwide. Although the NSA is barred from domestic spying, it can get warrants issued with the permission of a special court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court.

The court is set up specifically to issue warrants allowing wiretapping on domestic soil.

'Sad day'
After hearing Bush's response, Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, said there was no law allowing the president's actions and that "it's a sad day."

"He's trying to claim somehow that the authorization for the Afghanistan attack after 9/11 permitted this, and that's just absurd," Feingold said. "There's not a single senator or member of Congress who thought we were authorizing wiretaps."

He added that the law clearly lays out how to obtain permission for wiretaps.

"If he needs a wiretap, the authority is already there -- the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act," Feingold said. "They can ask for a warrant to do that, and even if there's an emergency situation, they can go for 72 hours as long as they give notice at the end of 72 hours."

Bush defended signing the order by saying that two of the September 11 hijackers who flew the plane into the Pentagon -- Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi -- "communicated while they were in the United States to other members of al Qaeda who were overseas, but we didn't know they were here until it was too late."

He said the authorizations have made it "more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time, and the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad."

Re-authorized 30 times
Sources with knowledge of the program told CNN on Friday that Bush signed the secret order in 2002. The sources refused to be identified because the program is classified.

Bush, however, said he authorized the program on several occasions since the September 11 attacks and that he plans on doing it again.

"I have re-authorized this program more than 30 times," he said. "I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al Qaeda and related groups."

The New York Times had not responded to Bush's allegations that the paper endangered national security as of Saturday afternoon.

But in a Friday statement, Executive Editor Bill Keller said the newspaper postponed publication of the article for a year at the White House's request, while editors pondered the national security issues surrounding the release of the information.

But after considering the legal and civil liberties aspects, and determining that the story could be written without jeopardizing intelligence operations, the paper ran the story, Keller said, emphasizing that information about many NSA eavesdropping operations is public record.

CNN has not confirmed the exact wording of the president's order.

The political ramifications of the newspaper's report were felt even before Bush acknowledged the report's veracity.

Senators contemplating a vote Friday on whether to renew some controversial portions of the Patriot Act used The New York Times' report as evidence that the government could not be trusted with the broad powers laid out in the act. (Read about the Patriot Act vote)

In particular, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said such behavior by the executive branch "can't be condoned," and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said the report swayed his decision on the Patriot Act proposal.

"Today's revelation that the government listened in on thousands of phone conversations without getting a warrant is shocking and has greatly influenced my vote," Schumer said. "Today's revelation makes it very clear that we have to be very careful -- very careful."

Specter, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, added Friday that his committee would immediately begin investigating the matter.


Ya.
I just have to say this. If Mr. Bush did break law, he should be impeached.
We need a change in leadership. He just isn't cutting it.

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 03:11 PM
i dont think he broke any law. if i had to have every single phone call i ever made recorded in some database, if i couldnt steal music anymore because i knew that all internet traffic going through my house was monitored by the government, if i couldnt ever speed because there were cameras at every stoplight, if i had to scan a fingerprint to go into any public building, SO BE IT in the name of fighting terrorism

nwshc
December 19th, 2005, 03:20 PM
i dont think he broke any law.
To my knowlege, he didn't get ANY warrents at all.
if i had to have every single phone call i ever made recorded in some database, if i couldnt steal music anymore because i knew that all internet traffic going through my house was monitored by the government, if i couldnt ever speed because there were cameras at every stoplight, if i had to scan a fingerprint to go into any public building, SO BE IT in the name of fighting terrorism
Ya, my ass. You really don't believe all that bs do you?
So you wouldn't mind them seeing every keystoke on your keyboard? You wouldn't mind them looking at all the porn sites you go to? You wouldn't mind them listening in on your phone converstations with your grandmother, or anyone?
You would feel as violated as hell. You wouldn't want some shmuck seeing everything.[/quote]

Gothic_Knight
December 19th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Big Brother shouldn't be watching you, unless you give him permission to do so.

What he did was just plain bullshit.

redcar
December 19th, 2005, 04:44 PM
i am sorry but that has gone too far, i thought we lived in a free world, not one where you are constantly watched. doing all that is blatently interferring with peoples freedom. i do not care if its in the name of anti-terrorism.

if i had to have every single phone call i ever made recorded in some database, if i couldnt steal music anymore because i knew that all internet traffic going through my house was monitored by the government, if i couldnt ever speed because there were cameras at every stoplight, if i had to scan a fingerprint to go into any public building, SO BE IT in the name of fighting terrorism

are you being serious? wat kind of life would that be to live, with someone watching your every move knowing more about u than you do yourself.

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 06:21 PM
i dont think he broke any law.
To my knowlege, he didn't get ANY warrents at all.
if i had to have every single phone call i ever made recorded in some database, if i couldnt steal music anymore because i knew that all internet traffic going through my house was monitored by the government, if i couldnt ever speed because there were cameras at every stoplight, if i had to scan a fingerprint to go into any public building, SO BE IT in the name of fighting terrorism
Ya, my ass. You really don't believe all that bs do you?
So you wouldn't mind them seeing every keystoke on your keyboard? You wouldn't mind them looking at all the porn sites you go to? You wouldn't mind them listening in on your phone converstations with your grandmother, or anyone?
You would feel as violated as hell. You wouldn't want some shmuck seeing everything.[/quote]

i absolutely would not feel violated at all, and if i could sign that away just to prove a point that ur wrong about me--i would

Whisper
December 19th, 2005, 07:09 PM
i dont think he broke any law.
To my knowlege, he didn't get ANY warrents at all.
if i had to have every single phone call i ever made recorded in some database, if i couldnt steal music anymore because i knew that all internet traffic going through my house was monitored by the government, if i couldnt ever speed because there were cameras at every stoplight, if i had to scan a fingerprint to go into any public building, SO BE IT in the name of fighting terrorism
Ya, my ass. You really don't believe all that bs do you?
So you wouldn't mind them seeing every keystoke on your keyboard? You wouldn't mind them looking at all the porn sites you go to? You wouldn't mind them listening in on your phone converstations with your grandmother, or anyone?
You would feel as violated as hell. You wouldn't want some shmuck seeing everything.

i absolutely would not feel violated at all, and if i could sign that away just to prove a point that ur wrong about me--i would
Then you're a fool

kolte
December 19th, 2005, 08:03 PM
we have a right to privacy

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 08:54 PM
and i have a right not to die. just becuase all of you losers are eager to die, im not. just because you have nothing to live for doesnt mean that i should be placed in jeapordy because the rights of terrorists are upheald. if i were president i would wiretap nicks life and publish the contents to whitehouse.gov. that would teach him a little lesson in shutting the fuck up

Anonymous
December 19th, 2005, 09:00 PM
You don't show intelligence by mocking people's lives. Good thing your not president. :D

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 09:02 PM
um excuse me? u said u were gunna kill yourself..... u are still posting here why? ooooo i get it because your a liar and u really only said that to gain attention. very interesting austin

Anonymous
December 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM
Dude,
Sarah did the same darn thing. Back off.
Just because im not a part of your special 'leet' clan doesnt mean I'm less of value.
I didnt do it for attention...I did it for words of encouragement. Sure, I'm pathetic. Your life is cushier than mine. Get over yourself.

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 09:13 PM
wow u just admitted to lying about dying. i cant believe you. ur pathetic and that thread u made should be deleted in honor of all the people who arent pussy liars like u

Anonymous
December 19th, 2005, 09:21 PM
Yes, I lying about myself being dead. I told you that I was DEAD, when I really wasn't. Nice use of words. I didnt admit to that. I made that stupid thread so people would read it and try to help me. I was desperate and felt pathetic. That thread was already deleted. I swhould spam all over this site and tell your parents your real name and all about you.

nwshc
December 19th, 2005, 09:41 PM
. if i were president i would wiretap nicks life and publish the contents to whitehouse.gov. that would teach him a little lesson in shutting the fuck up
O, your nice today

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 09:43 PM
wow u just admitted to lying about dying.

u told everyone u were going to commit suicide.
u didnt.
and now u say your not going to.


u are a pussy liar and u disgust me and this brings shame upon all those people who werent to sissy to acutally follow through with their wishes and end their life

Anonymous
December 19th, 2005, 09:50 PM
your bqashing me because Im not dead? your an idiot. so, you are hoping for my death? Thats a little sick.

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 19th, 2005, 10:06 PM
oh and its not sick to try and inspire people to feel pity on you for no reason, while at the same time mocking all those poor people who do infact commit suicide?

Anonymous
December 19th, 2005, 10:08 PM
I have attempted suicide before you idiot.

kolte
December 19th, 2005, 10:40 PM
oh and its not sick to try and inspire people to feel pity on you for no reason, while at the same time mocking all those poor people who do infact commit suicide?

you really need to shut the fuck up

<-Dying_to_Live->
December 20th, 2005, 01:21 AM
why, because the truth is too much to bear?

TheWizard
December 20th, 2005, 04:54 AM
This thread is discaussing. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

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