were all nazis scum? [Archive] - Virtual Teen Forums

Anonymous

May 22nd, 2004, 05:30 PM

[jane's two cents]
No offense, but you can't tell me that the guards working in those camps [who keep in mind, were NOT high political leaders at all] were good people. The doctors who experimented on prisoners, they weren't political figures, but they still participated. Death camps were kept secret to the allies, however, the towns and cities around the camps knew about the camps due to the smells and noises they heard. Once the allies had liberated the camps, several mayors of several towns surrounding camps commited suicide and left in their suicicde notes something to the effect of that they knew the camps were there and they simply could not live with the guilt of knowing and not saying anything anymore.
[/jane's two cents]

dying lullaby

May 22nd, 2004, 05:32 PM

i completely agree jane

TheWizard

May 22nd, 2004, 07:36 PM

Nazi's killed schizos to get rid of them. I'm scared it will happen again.

Anonymous

May 22nd, 2004, 10:43 PM

If you are in the military, you follow orders.

Coming from a long line of military personnel and having 19 close friends in the military right now, 17 of them overseas I can let you in on this much: Even if you are given an order, if it is unethical or inhumane you DO NOT follow it. World policy.

Even if the doctors were just experimenting, how does brutally murdering millions of people help mankind in any way? It is quite possible that had Hitler not killed all those people, we would have a cure for cancer by now; therefore maybe the doctors did help mankind, but did they help more than those people they killed might have? :?:

And if you'd like to know where my "bleeding heart" is for the Russians, it's in the same place however I like to stck to the topic at hand which is Nazis, not Russians :)

Simply put, you have your opinions and I have mine. I may never see your point of view, you may never see mine. Not wrong, not right, but different :wink:

somedudeyoudontknow

May 22nd, 2004, 11:03 PM

Woah! Tuff topic, but Im gonna try to say sumthin'. Now, the key words here are "al" and "Nazis." The things i you gotta define what a Nazi really is. Now, I'm pretty sure they all believed in white supremacy, more pure European supremacy. All invalids were persecuted. All non-Catholics were persecuted. No, not all the gypsies were wiped out. A few survived in America. Well, so I guess the next question is, does being racist make you scum? Racism unfortunately has becum a part of human nature. Practically every1 discriminates against some other race or religion or watever. Still, that doesn't make it right, but the truth is the truth. I would not go as far to call them scum. I would say they chose to follow a path that was pretty bad even evil. My godmother is Jewish and I love her a great deal. Wait, off topic. Every1's gonna say sumthin', but I would say that the Nazis were not scum, they were more like people whose souls had been hardened. In almopst all cases, the Nazis were oppressed be4 joining the political party. They were just searching for an answer. By goodness, they chose one of the worst answers possible.

Waiting

May 23rd, 2004, 09:37 AM

wow i started a realy tough topic here, tis a good one, what i mean by nazis are people who actulary fought in the war, not civilians. this still counts any young boys involved in the war because they were chasing girls, so no they were not ALL scum but SOME were.

TheWizard

May 23rd, 2004, 10:33 AM

Yeah its a good topic. Scary but good.

Waiting

May 23rd, 2004, 01:39 PM

yay

Happynoodleboio

May 26th, 2004, 06:38 PM

Imm Jewish, I think they were all bad or mis-informed

Jono

May 27th, 2004, 01:45 AM

I don't think all Nazi's were bad at all. When you say 'Nazi' you shouldn't include citizens of WW2 Germany, but the Government and any followers.

But the fact remains that only a few groups of people knew about the camps at all. Most Nazi's really didn't know about them. After WW1, Germany was at it's lowest, the Wall Street Crash had made it so bad that a loaf of bread could cost hundreds of thousands of Deutschmarks. The Nazi's had a plan to stop all the suffering and so the people of Germany elected Hitler as the Fuhrer.

They didn't say in their political campaign "We hate ethnic minorites and will kill them" otherwise they would never be elected. They seemed the perfect answer to Germany's problems and for a few years they were! Hitler didn't just start killing people. In fact we were (in Britain) on good terms with Hitler, Chamberlain went and visited Hitler and famously said "Peace in our time" two years before WW2 broke.

We had trade with Germany, at the Docks near me, there are photos of Nazi Blimps ferrying Germans and British people between the two countries.

Only when Hitler outlawed any other political party, thus making Germany a Dictatorship, did things go wrong.

But by then he had such a huge amount of power, even if you did disagree with what they did, you couldn't protest against it or you would be shot, you did as you were told, regardless of whether you liked it or not.

So no, not all Nazi's were scum, in fact, I bet a huge amount of them were pretty decent folk. They didn't want to be shot, they had families too, even the Generals.

RunAwayMolly

May 27th, 2004, 08:44 AM

although they did horrible evil things, everyone still has good in their hearts... even the coldest heart can be warmed.

Brit Twit

May 27th, 2004, 08:56 AM

Okay, i'll assume you don't know much about Nazi Germany.

The only people that were 'scum' were the people in Charge. The people that actually made the decisions to invade Europe and came up with the 'final solution', ect.

Most 'Nazi's' were ordinary men who joined the army for security, or who were conscripted. They were force fed propaganda, don't forget. With exception to units like the SS, Gestapo, ect. The normal German soldier was fighting for his country the same as the UK or US troops did. They were fighting for Germany, not fighting for Hitler.

I feel more hatrid toward the Muslim extremists in the middle east than the German soldiers in WW2.

Brit Twit

June 5th, 2004, 08:12 AM

even the coldest heart can be warmed.
Aye, with a flamethrower :evil:

FrÂªÃ±k

June 5th, 2004, 08:39 AM

Many 'nazis' were just young soldiers following orders, they went with the crowd cos that is what you were expected to do. They were not all evil.

AC.wAkeBoArDin.06

June 21st, 2004, 10:54 PM

Hitler was a great speeker and got everyone to join him....
Im not saying he was a good man but he can manipulate people
and people followed him because they wanted payback on other
countries due to the repairation cost bill they were handed after WWI
and if this wasnt done, then there most likly would never be a WWII
and no holocaust...

See the Movie Swing Kids and you will get why a lot of people
didnt want to be nazis but were forced to and some resisted
where they would be sent off to war and most likly die or be sent
to concentration camps

im jewish myself and i hope not to offend ne other people with my remarks on hitler

Mr.BiZzArO_o

June 22nd, 2004, 05:29 AM

no way cuz im german but yet some were i beleive Hitler was a great man and leader but once he got the ideaof global ''purification'' then thats when everyone saw him as an evil man for killing and torturing all those poor jews and for some views such as good movies to watch are.... Life is beautiful,Shinlers list,and The Pianist

AC.wAkeBoArDin.06

June 22nd, 2004, 08:53 AM

The reason why i brought up swing kids and not thouse others is because it shows germans resisting to follow orders......of cource shindlers list i would say is the best houlocaust movie but its not really about this topic....its about how the jews were taken from the ghettos and basicly put to work or killed and shindler saved around 1000 jews by taking them and putting them to work in his Good Conditioned place but yeah...the topic is Were all nazis bad which this movie doesnt show

boognish

July 5th, 2004, 01:18 AM

i agree with soda, to some degree. even though they knew it was wrong they still did horrible things, and that would make them scum, but some of the nazis were pro-jew and helped them escape. so just because you say your a nazi and you hate jews, that may not be the truth, lip service.

UnreflectedMirror

August 4th, 2004, 11:43 AM

As a Jew, this PISSES ME OFF. All Nazis were scum. If you were a member of the Nazi party, then even if you weren't the one who killed my Grandmother's cousins, you CONDONED it. One of the beliefs of the Nazi party is that Germany's wealth would be restored if it was "Judenrein," and had only members of the "Aryan race."

Pit Lord

August 10th, 2004, 01:16 AM

not all nazi's were terribal, but not very maany were good, either

Casfetes

August 10th, 2004, 01:24 AM

Hitler was a great speeker and got everyone to join him....
what the fuck.

Jono

August 10th, 2004, 05:40 AM

Hitler was a great speeker and got everyone to join him....
what the fuck.

It's true. Hitler gave powerful speeches. as my history teacher said, was it not for him killing people and trying to talk over Europe, he was a great leader of Germany.
I'm not saying he was a good man, but as a leader he had power.

Waiting

August 10th, 2004, 07:05 AM

hey, i cant belive that this whole debate started off with me getting sent out of a history lesson cuz i argued that not all were scum, he said my morrals were wrong and i should sort them out! hahah, i found that quite funny

Shaolin

August 10th, 2004, 08:46 AM

The fact remains that anyone who is dumb enough to believe in supremacy of another race, a white super race of aryans, a leader whose propaganda could not be anymore blatent.

I wouldn't say every german in WW2 was a Nazi, because they weren't. Those that wanted any position of authority wether it be teacher or policeman, had to join the Nazi party, people were persecuted for just differences in their skin colour, or facial shape or mental aptitute.

Anyone who whole heartedly agrees with Nazi constitution, deserves a bit of freedom of speech, then a bullet in the head!

Anyone who now whole heatedly agrees in true Nazism, is also pretty much a dicktart, and using it as an excuse just to have racial prejudism.

The Nazis of WW2 were a strong party, mainly because Hitler was so persistant (the putsch etc) and with all his cheap tricks (like the Reichstag fire).

Facism just leads to persecution.

Shaolin

August 10th, 2004, 08:50 AM

Hitler was a great speeker and got everyone to join him....
what the fuck.

lol Casfetes, go take a history lesson. Hitler was a brilliant motivational speaker, and everyone did join him. He would use crescendos in his tone, hand movements (that he would even reherse) subtle hints of propaganda, and occasionaly blatent hints of propaganda. He would tell the people what they want to hear in one place, and different in a nother place, he would make it illegal to possess a radio that has a wavelength further than the borders of Germany.

His methods were quite brutal, but he had a brilliant political mind, not a very good military mind though (he might have got an iron cross in WW1, but that doesn't mean he knows how to control an army, which he did on many occasions)

Pit Lord

August 16th, 2004, 11:20 AM

My step dad is a "nazi" skinhead. i dont know why im saying this, just to see what you guys say i guess.

Ria421m

August 21st, 2004, 12:51 PM

They acted like scum, the way they treated people, but I think a lot of them did not want to do what they did, they were forced into it, if you read some of the books like "Night" by Elie Wiesel, I think he mentions a few guards that act human and try to help.

*-tick tock-*

November 7th, 2004, 03:58 AM

well im bringing this late topic back to life because now im learning about the holocaust and all that in one of my classes...
for one i think hitler was a good leader not for the fact he had millions and millions of people killed..but for the fact he used propaganda to brainwash people into following his lead...
and lots of people did follow him

but otherwise i think the fact all the jews were suffering like that makes me angry/sad... i do not know all about the whole WW2 and holocaust thing but from what i hear and saw..its not very good.

i just thought id bring this back up because im learning about it..and if im mistaken in any ways please correct me and explain to me what really was going on....

*-tick tock-*

November 7th, 2004, 03:58 AM

Dante

November 19th, 2004, 11:53 PM

some people might disagree with me, but hitler was a great leader, yes he did horrible things, but as tick tock said, for a guy to brainwash a whole country, is freakin amazing.

My_Toes_Are_Cold

November 20th, 2004, 06:22 PM

some people might disagree with me, but hitler was a great leader, yes he did horrible things, but as tick tock said, for a guy to brainwash a whole country, is freakin amazing.

I agree.

Not all of the Germans were Nazis, friend. About 1/3 of them though that what Hitler was doing was right. They were either to enlist and serve their country, or be EXECUTED. Back then, THERE WERE NO GOTHIC BELIEVERS. They wanted to LIVE. If you were a German man back in that time, YOU WOULD DO THAT. If it was specifically you, maybe not, but otherwise YOU WOULD BE BROUGHT UP TO BELIEVE IN THE GOVERNMENT AND HAVE THE WILL TO SURVIVE.

I, for one, know this for these reasons.

1. I watch The History Channel. Watch it sometimes, you braindead adolescent bastards (I dont REALLY mean the braindead adolescent bastards thing, it just sounds good in the sentence).

2. I had a past-life experience where, I a soldier on D-Day, and I was in the bunkers, clearing them out. I came out from behind my cover after reloading, then my gun jammed and only ONE GERMAN OUT OF FIVE STANDING THERE ACTUALLY SHOT AT ME. I WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE. I got killed, though. The way I know this was a past-life experience was because I HAD NOT PLAYED ANY OF SORT OF WAR GAME, THOUGHT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH WAR, AND I WAS NOT IN CONTROL OF WHAT I WAS DOING IN THE DREAM.

If you don't agree with me, so be it. You are denying the truth, and your conscience may not know it, but your brain does so it denies it.

And hey, click that cool link in my signature some more. :P

Dante

November 22nd, 2004, 06:27 AM

braindead adolescent bastards, lol

My_Toes_Are_Cold

November 22nd, 2004, 01:08 PM

ical?

Skittle Flavored

December 6th, 2004, 06:45 PM

i can speak german! but it dosnt mean im a natzi. same thing. just cause ur german, dosnt mean ur a nazi. now shlaf

PuddingTime

December 6th, 2004, 09:41 PM

det som engang var, man

Bandolier

December 6th, 2004, 09:44 PM

I think its americas fault for making hitler becuz when we won WW1 we did all kinds of ecominical sanctions an stuff like what were dooing to cuba right now. we made the envrinment where lots of germans were poor and a powerfull speaker leik hitler could get lots of poor peeps to do what he said, becuz he promised them more mone. it was the jews fault becuz jews were doing OK after the end of WW1.

White Power.

Skittle Flavored

December 7th, 2004, 10:36 AM

det som engang var, man

1st of all, i dont speak THAT much german. im learning a song called " shlaf keindlein shlaf" or "sleep gently sleep" so all the words in that song, is what i know..so...yea....and 2

White Power. this is something 2 get u kicked off. so i wouldnt say it again dude

advent_child

January 2nd, 2005, 04:24 AM

HMMM..... they violated every law laid down by the geneva convention, they targeted and killed innocent jews, polish citizens, they killed all of those they found "unfit" (EG if u were a german child who got sick and stayed sick, they would kill you, if they thought you were small for you age or you were weak they would kill you)
They tried to take over the world, and all members of the NAZI PARTY knew about all of this, german citizens not members(even hitler supporters) didnt, i would say YES--- OH yea, they planned to invade AMERICA

advent_child

January 2nd, 2005, 04:27 AM

A nazi is someone in the nazi party, we arent talking about citizens, we are talking about a racist group no better than the KKK that came damn close to taking over the planet. (that was their goal if u wanna debate it im me on yahoo)

Skittle Flavored

January 2nd, 2005, 12:02 PM

hey jack, 3 things, 1. dont bring up old topics, 2. dont double post, it screws up the system, and 3. i kinda agree with u........but i think that they were people like u or me, and some were put in the nazi army and they didnt want 2...so.....yea...

advent_child

January 2nd, 2005, 09:16 PM

hey timpot, 3 things. 1. this thread is about nazis! 2 double posting is posting the same thing twice 3 what the hell does drafting have to do with anything......so.....yea. nazis were tought from a young age that they were of a superior race. you had to be "aryan" -full german- to even register your birth. they were tought that germany would someday rule the world.

advent_child

January 3rd, 2005, 06:30 AM

go back to 1942, and while our troops (almost 500,000 of which died) were fighting for americas freedom along with that of the world and I think you could get a whole different perspective. it is true, Adolf Hitler got germany on its feet and made it a superpower after it had been worn down by a world war and a weak economy. had he not been a psychopathic freak obsessed with world domination he would have kept germany strong and it would be a superpower, but still, he was scum. hell one could reasonably argue that he was an antichrist!