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Whisper
December 24th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Gay groups are criticizing comments made by Pope Benedict XVI that indicated saving humanity from homosexual behaviour is more important than saving rainforests from destruction.

In a holiday address on Monday to the Curia — the Vatican's central administration — the pontiff said humanity must care for the land, water and air but also "protect humans against the destruction of himself," he said.

"A sort of ecology of man is needed," said the Pope. "The tropical forests do deserve our protection. But man, as a creature, does not deserve any less."

The Pope was trying to imply that if the entire human population were homosexual that the birthrate would be reduced to the point of extinction for humankind, said Norman Prince, president of Dignity Canada, an organization for Catholics concerned about the church's sexual theology.

"Sadly, his opinions don't seem to be based on modern understandings of human sexuality and so it amounts to more of a bullying from the pulpit," Prince said, adding that the statements were very hurtful.

The comments by the Pope were "totally irresponsible and unacceptable" and could provide some with a justification for "gay bashing," said Rev. Sharon Ferguson, the chief executive of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, in an interview with the BBC.

"When you have religious leaders like that making that sort of statement, then followers feel they are justified in behaving in an aggressive and violent way," she said.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are and opposes same-sex marriage.

Earlier this month, the Vatican said that a proposed United Nations resolution decriminalizing homosexuality went too far.

"Unjust discrimination" against gay people should be avoided, but the use of wording such as "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the text would "create serious uncertainty in the law," the Vatican said.

In October, a Vatican official called homosexuality "a deviation, an irregularity, a wound."

Humanity needs to "listen to the language of creation" and understand the intended roles of men and women, the Pope said.

Homosexual acts are a "destruction of God's work," he said.

The Pope's comments also demonstrated "a lack of openness to the complexity of creation," Mark Dowd, a strategist with the Christian environmental group Operation Noah, told the BBC.

Some have argued the comments were meant as a denunciation of gender theory, which is the study of how sexual gender affects behaviour.

The Catholic church has repeatedly spoken out against gender theory, which many gay and transsexual groups promote as a key to understanding and tolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/23/pope-speech.html

The Resurrected One
December 24th, 2008, 05:08 PM
You beat me to it, Cody. I was gonna post this.

Well strangely, after first finding this, I wasn't as upset by it as I normally would be.

My thoughts on it?... I don't know. I am not happy about it, that's for goddamn sure.

nachtspiegel
December 24th, 2008, 06:30 PM
Sad. Just sad.

Antares
December 24th, 2008, 10:55 PM
Well even the pope is naive and misinformed.

This is rediculous.

The Resurrected One
December 24th, 2008, 11:07 PM
Well even the pope is naive and misinformed.


Of course he is.

mr.sexy_bomb
December 24th, 2008, 11:19 PM
yeah i dont think he should be making those comments

Atonement
December 24th, 2008, 11:30 PM
I like the part about how if everyone was homosexual it would lead to extinction. Which, A. is SO unlikely to EVER happen, B. Would not stop from procreation for the sake of procreation and C. is radical.

Now, I understand where they come from, but why does it matter? I mean, fuck off. Like, okay, you don't like it, so judge. But you have no right to judge others. Okay, even the pope has no fucking place to judge others. I am no better than the Pope. The Pope sins, I sin, He prays, I pray. Now, the only difference is for some reason he is giving power to decide what is correct in Christianity and what is not. I don't understand the Pope. He is just as human as I

nachtspiegel
December 25th, 2008, 12:15 AM
And this is the reason that Catholicism drives me up the wall.
It's not Catholics in general... just views of the Vatican that piss me off.

Neverender
December 25th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Pope Rapsinger (Ratzinger) is a nut. and he looks like emperor palpatine from Star wars:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f5/Popeandemperor.jpg

im just happy im not Pope.Sweet.Jesus anymore.

Atonement
December 25th, 2008, 12:45 AM
ROFL ^^ that is amazing. hialrious. Disrespectful, but fucking hysterical

ShatteredWings
December 28th, 2008, 11:41 AM
The Pope was trying to imply that if the entire human population were homosexual that the birthrate would be reduced to the point of extinction for humankind, said Norman Prince, president of Dignity Canada, an organization for Catholics concerned about the church's sexual theology.
Ok. that pisses me off. What makes this guy ACTUALLY think that everyone is going to be gay soon? Really... wow

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are and opposes same-sex marriage.
Am i the only one who doesn't get that?
Similar statement
Its ok to want food, but eating is bad
Yeah. bad comparison, but you see my point.

Humanity needs to "listen to the language of creation" and understand the intended roles of men and women, the Pope said.
Oh i bet that one got any feminist pissed off too
Good luck making that one work
one of the stupidest statements yet, lets see what else he says before he dies
Pope Rapsinger (Ratzinger) is a nut. and he looks like emperor palpatine from Star wars:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f5/Popeandemperor.jpg

lmao!
Sad, disrespectful[not that i particularly respect this guy], but funny.


Normally i avoid these topics, but this one caught my interest,and wow.
This pope is a nutcase.
That is my final comment

Jean Poutine
December 28th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Am i the only one who doesn't get that?
Similar statement
Its ok to want food, but eating is bad
Yeah. bad comparison, but you see my point.
You're supposed to resist the temptation of committing acts with a person of the same sex.

Unlike hunger, you won't die if you pass on sex, no matter your orientation.

ShatteredWings
December 28th, 2008, 07:51 PM
The statement was to make a point.
Not necessarily the worlds best comparison

Sapphire
December 29th, 2008, 04:47 AM
In a holiday address on Monday to the Curia — the Vatican's central administration — the pontiff said humanity must care for the land, water and air but also "protect humans against the destruction of himself," he said.

"A sort of ecology of man is needed," said the Pope. "The tropical forests do deserve our protection. But man, as a creature, does not deserve any less."This could have been his views on any destructive/self-destructive act carried out by humans. It could be his view on terrorism, murder, substance abuse, self-harm and so on. This quote from his speech actually has no direct references to anything in particular.

The Pope was trying to imply that if the entire human population were homosexual that the birthrate would be reduced to the point of extinction for humankind, said Norman Prince, president of Dignity Canada, an organization for Catholics concerned about the church's sexual theology.If the Pope really was trying to imply that, he would have said it. He has spoken about it before without having to be indirect and have someone interpret his message. Their stance on homosexuality is very well known, why would he suddenly feel the need to be indirect about it now?

MoveAlong
December 29th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Gay groups are criticizing comments made by Pope Benedict XVI that indicated saving humanity from homosexual behaviour is more important than saving rainforests from destruction.

:O omg
stuuuuppiiiid

MisterAndrews
December 29th, 2008, 02:22 PM
I honestly think this has been blown up all out of proportion. Now the press have got hold of it and people like 'Norman Prince' from Dignity Canada have piped up, the words are changing slightly. Don't listen to the crap about "what the pope was trying to imply", because from some no body in canada who the press interviewed it means nothing. The church won't act on it, it wont effect anyone at all. What the pope says is really NOT a big deal... not even to 95% of catholics! People take this guy too seriously!

I also LOVE the fact that any catholics that have their opinion asked of are vatican officials, who will obviously agree with the pope! ITS THEIR JOB!!!

Neverender
December 31st, 2008, 12:50 AM
He is just as human as I

but he's not human. he's a sith lord.

Pope Rapsinger (Ratzinger) is a nut. and he looks like emperor palpatine from Star wars:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/f/f5/Popeandemperor.jpg