Homosexuality and religion

[nachtspiegel]

What do you feel is your religion's take on homosexuality, and are you convinced?
Do you feel it is justified?

I am agnostic and I believe in a higher power.
However, I will give my take on what I feel about Christianity and homosexuality (since I was raised mainly around Christian belief and that is the main religion that is noted at viewing homosexuality in a negative light.)

I could go on and on about what I feel, but I'm going to give a quote out of a book that I'm reading that pretty much says it better than I could.

Our society says that if you are a girl, you gotta like a boy, and if you're a boy, you gotta like a girl. And then it says that God said so. God ain't said that shit. Please show me in the Bible where God said that. His name ain't signed nowhere. You can't show me that, I promise you can't. Some other niggas wrote it, and you're trying to convince me.

That quote is from comedian Mo'Nique, and it's out of this (http://www.amazon.com/Not-My-Family-American-Community/dp/1932841245) book.
The book is about HIV, and even though it's primarily about African Americans, I've found a lot of things in this book I can relate to. Unrelated point that I decided to add.

Anyway, what are your feelings about your religion's take on homosexuality? Do you feel it's validated? Are you convinced? If so, why? If not, why?

Debate. :D

[[[chickaroo92]]]

I happen be Jewish.
I believe in G-d, and the OLD testament.
My father is an Orthodox Rabbi.
Need I say more?

Yes. Yes I do. Even though it would be a "sin" for a dude to love another dude, or a girl to love another girl, I don't see what the big deal is. Like, do people honestly go around making a big deal when a straight couple are making out? I don't think so.
I had a cousin who I never met. He happened to be gay, and died from AIDs. Nobody in my family had anything to do with him, except for my father.
'Course this isn't about my family. BUT. I do want to say something. Accept people for who they are, not for who you want them to be.

[sorry if this doesn't make total sense, it's literally 3 AM, and I am pratically over tired.]

[dyslexiaa]

I'm athiest. I believe in rotting in the ground and hopelessness in the afterlife. :D

Discrimination of homosexuals because of something a book says is completely ridiculous. People should be free to do whatever they want. I don't know what 'god' would damn someone because of a choice that they make that has no negative effects on anyone else.

If marriage was such a sacred thing, why doesn't anybody take away the rights of divorcees?

[Sapphire]

I'm agnostic or Christian. I haven't quite made my mind up yet! Lol.

I see religion as stating that God doesn't approve of homosexuality. This disapproval isn't the be all and end all though. It will hinder your journey there, but it won't prevent you from reaching heaven. God acknowledges that humans aren't perfect and forgives your sins if you have lead a generally good life. It is the sin that God hates, not the sinner.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I'm athiest. I believe in rotting in the ground and hopelessness in the afterlife. :D

Discrimination of homosexuals because of something a book says is completely ridiculous. People should be free to do whatever they want. I don't know what 'god' would damn someone because of a choice that they make that has no negative effects on anyone else.

If marriage was such a sacred thing, why doesn't anybody take away the rights of divorcees?

QFT

Atheist; nothing wrong with homosexuality... LOTS wrong with any religions that condemn it.

[iJack]

I'm agnostic or Christian. I haven't quite made my mind up yet! Lol.

I see religion as stating that God doesn't approve of homosexuality. This disapproval isn't the be all and end all though. It will hinder your journey there, but it won't prevent you from reaching heaven. God acknowledges that humans aren't perfect and forgives your sins if you have lead a generally good life. It is the sin that God hates, not the sinner.
Oh. My. Gosh. That was a fantastic post, worthy of mush more than rep.
That nails it in my opinion.
Even though i am not a church goer, i seem to be finding myself being more and more religious, and i like it.

[Atonement]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=28090

^ my views ^

[Raynes]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I'm Luciferian. A person is a person, they can't help what they are.

[George678]

I would like to point out that I am gay and I am not being byassed.
Ok nobody who is gay chooses not in any way shape of form who in there right mind would choose?
You are generally born with it.
So would God make somebody gay if he does not like it?
No
Thats what I think

[Coesistere]

Basicly im completely pro-gay rights and im a huge activist for equality....

here is a video im sure some have already seen that i found interesting
( the good part is somewhat into the clip )

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213349&title=mike-huckabee-pt.-2



Also here is a clip I found that not only is funny but has a really good, strong point :

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cca5e8a78a/protect-marriage-protect-children-prohibit-divorce-from-jonathan-smith

[Trickster]

Before i found out i was bisexual i didnt see how it made any sense that God would create Gay people because you cant just become one.
Im a Christian but i dont believe a book which anybody could edit for example change "is" to "isnt". and "could" to couldnt" it take not but a drop of ink to change a whole outlook on a subject. I dont see God's glowing holy signature who said he made that version of the book?
I dont see anywhere where God says "Homosexuality is horrible and must be destoryed" or any of the sort so it shows people no right to go around saying youre going to hell, youre not God how would you know.
For people to judge them on something they cant control is prejudice and trying to force others to be straight is assimilation. Arent you causing a sin by trying to cure a a so-called sin?
Lastly i dont know what God thinks of Homosexuality but i think he cares more about what you do for others, how you help, living your life, not being mean or cruel.
I think he has more to think about then whether you kissed a girl or boy and you liked it.(Katty Perry song refrence intended :) )

[Coesistere]

To be truthful, the bible doesn't say anything about women being gay... only about "men with men is an abomination" so one half of the LGBT community shouldn't even be discriminated against. Personally, I dont belive in sexual perfrence....to me its just catagories to place people in, so I belive everyone in a sence is Bisexual....just not actually the word bisexual because well thats a actual perfrence, so to me everyone is _________. That way, i won't have to worry who I like because im not looking for anything in specific...but now imgoing on about things that don't go with the topic at hand...sorry;)

[Camazotz]

I'm agnostic, raised Catholic. According to the Catholic religion, one man sleeping with another man is wrong. I honestly don't care what other people do. You can't help being gay. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Do whatever you want to do, because only then are you truly free.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I'm polytheistic not mixed, but actually agnostic by choice so poly by birth ag by choice. Still, in my religion there is nothing concerning who a man or a woman chooses as a partner, as long as one is equal with the other. Also, one does not touch a women in a way he/she would touch his/her own wife. So no cheating, so no my religion has no stance on homosexuality. Which must mean it's good by our standards.

[MisterAndrews]

I'm Catholic, but I don't agree with the Catholic churches strong opinion on Homosexuality. We are taught that God loves everyone regaurdless of their race, colour and creed. I'm sure that he won't condemn homosexuals if they have been loving people. "Love one another as I have loved you" is the main rule in christianity, and as long as you do that, nothing else matters!

[Cindex]

Alright. Here's one thing that justifies everything wrong any person has ever done in their entire life. Past and present. This only applies to believers in God.

God made man. And consequently, woman. He created them "in likeness of himself" right? So, God made everyone. All of us. It says it in that little book called The Holy Bible. He gave us free will, correct? Now, we would have no sins if it weren't for the first sin. He gave Eve the 'ability' to choose whether or not to eat the forbidden fruit. Did she? Yes. So, God gave Eve the ability to sin. We have that down.

But did she really have a choice?! God made her that way! On purpose! He made her so that she would disobey! Now think, do any of us make our own choices? God made us exactly so that we would act certain ways in certain situations. Didn't he? That means we already have the choice made because God made us to! Your debating in your head is going to turn out how it is!

God made me 'decide' to write this post. He also let me 'choose' my words. Also, whoever is affected by this is affected because of how God created me, and how God created you to respond to what I say.

It's a big reaction created by a big guy. I'm not much for words, but once people figure out my logic they pretty much lose arguments against it.

>>This is why athiests are slightly better off in a way. We make our own choices. Technically so does everyone, but according to the Holy Book, you don't :'(

[MisterAndrews]

Actually according to the holy book you do have choice. You have freewill, which is Gods gift to mankind. God created Adam and eve in his image and they were without sin. However because of freewill eve did sin and angered god, so we were kicked out of heaven (the garden of eden).

Babies are born with eves sin. Baptism washes this and they are without sin. However, because we have been seperated from God through this sin we do not have to do as he says all of the time. He wants us to, and that is how you get to heaven. If you do not do what he wants MOST of the time, and are not truly sorry for doing wrong then you go to hell, which actually is NOT firey. Hell is just never being happy and close to God.

So, God didnt make you write that post, you chose to. However, God did give you morals in his image, the ability to know right from wrong. The ability to use that post to either offend or enlighten people.

I hope that makes sense... sorry if it doesnt but its hard to explain.



:::EDIT:::
This is not MY view on homosexuality, it is the general idea of freewill in the bible.

[Sapphire]

God made me 'decide' to write this post. He also let me 'choose' my words. Also, whoever is affected by this is affected because of how God created me, and how God created you to respond to what I say.
No. God doesn't control what we do
If I drop a pencil on the floor but am too tired to pick it up, that is not Gods doing. That is my laziness. If I then fall over that pencil and break a vase, that is not Gods doing either. That is my fault for not picking up the pencil beforehand due to being too tired. To say that God made me drop the pencil, not pick it up, subsequently fall over it and break the vase is, to be frank, stupid.

[theOperaGhost]

My views on homosexuality are really not religious...I don't have any problem with people loving whomever they want. The thing I have a problem with is the actual act of intercourse...it's anatomically not right. Our bodies are made male and female for a reason. That is how our bodies are...now whether you believe God made us that way or that's just the way we are, it's still fact, males have penises females have vaginas.

[ThatDude93]

I consider myself a pretty big Christian, and I know what my religion's view is on homosexuality. But I say that if a person likes someone of the same gender, then fine. That is their choice. it is not for me, but it is for them. I don't think it is a bad thing, it is just not right for me.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I consider myself a pretty big Christian, and I know what my religion's view is on homosexuality. But I say that if a person likes someone of the same gender, then fine. That is their choice. it is not for me, but it is for them. I don't think it is a bad thing, it is just not right for me.

It's not right for you because you are heterosexual (obviously). Gay people are just like everyone else, they just feel the same strong romantic (and sexual) feelings that we have for the opposite sex but for the same sex. And I gotta say (*hides under a blanket*) that it doesn't matter what YOU think. Your religion STILL says that they are going to hell for something that they were born with, something that they CAN NOT change, because it makes up who that person IS. Does that sound moral to you?

You're opinion really DOES matter, sorry if that sounded harsh but it was just to make a point on the authority of your religion over its followers. I mean... you might want to be careful of what you think since the God of the Bible tends to send people to hell for "thought crimes" just like in George Orwell's 1984... :eek:

Scary.

[INFERNO]

I'm an atheist and personally see nothing wrong with one's sexual orientation. The only time I don't like it is if someone is hitting on me or wanting to get into my pants that's of the same sex or has something unappealing for me to be in bed with (i.e. trans sexual female in bed). Other than that, I don't care.

I know some religions, such as Christianity I believe goes with the idea people choose sexual orientation as their god wouldn't have made something so foul. This is a classic nature vs. nurture debate and for homosexuality, there's evidence for both sides that is somewhat hard to say is false. However, I'm more towards the side of nature on this one. Yes, nurture can have some effect but to me, nature takes the cake.

[MisterAndrews]

And I gotta say (*hides under a blanket*) that it doesn't matter what YOU think. Your religion STILL says that they are going to hell for something that they were born with, something that they CAN NOT change, because it makes up who that person IS. Does that sound moral to you?


Actually the modern Church of england (christian denom.) thinks that homosexuals are ok, and a loving relationship is ok too. The only thing they cannot do is take communion. They do not condemn homosexuals to hell, becuase when it comes down to it.... who knows??

[thiscityisdead]

If marriage was such a sacred thing, why doesn't anybody take away the rights of divorcees?[/QUOTE]

im atheist..first off, i believe taht people should love who they want to love and not give a danm about everyone elses opinion on "gays" the only difference i see is that they like the same sex, guy-guy or girl-girl, but i think everyone should have teh sam rights subject to them, not because people disagree...screw them...