Whaling [WARNING GRAPHIC]

[Whisper]

What are your thoughts on Japanese whaling?

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Is it right for Japan to continue against a UN referendum they themselves signed?
Do you think they are in the right to practice this in international waters?

[Zephyr]

No, I don't think this should be allowed in international waters.
If it's not allowed, they need to stay out.
In their own waters, that's up to them, even though I'd still be against it.

But I don't like the idea of hunting more species to extinction at all.
I mean, I understand the idea of doing it with a certain limit and with moderation,
But it's just not something that I support.

Bottom line: Not in international waters.

[Whisper]

I'm not trying to come off as some tree hugging hippy
i just think its fucked up

I don't blame all the jap's for it
Atlantic Canada does that god dam seal hunt every year
I know I know
fuck them too


I just
ya
it's wrong

[CaptainObvious]

I think Japan is really out of line in the way they refuse to discontinue this practice.

On a related note, I disagree that the seal hunt is in any way comparable. It is in territorial waters, relatively not impactful on the long-term population, and a significant subset of the population depend on the hunt for livelihood. I don't think it's comparable to the wanton mauling of whales in international waters in contravention of UN resolutions etc. for no particularly good cause.

[mikeofny]

What are your thoughts on Japanese whaling?

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Is it right for Japan to continue against a UN referendum they themselves signed?
Do you think they are in the right to practice this in international waters?

to tel you the truth, i don't think it should be allowed at all. there is pretty much no reason

[Maverick]

I can respect their culture. I'm pretty sure there are things Westerners do that they don't approve of. But that is their land and this is ours. So they can live and eat what they want without me giving a damn.

Is it right for Japan to continue against a UN referendum they themselves signed?
Of course. Does the UN really have authority over a sovereign country?

Don't get me wrong I think its disgusting but I try to avoid ethnocentrism.

[arriving_late]

I must say that the use of pictures here is a bit much. Not that they are too graphic just that a whale is (for instance only I know that a whale is a mammal, we all had 6th grade science) just a big fish. I assume the picture of the whale being cleaned is intended to turn people off to the idea of whaling, but how else to you expect them to get to the good stuff? cut a hole and climb in? they're big, they're gonna have a lot of blood and everything else on the inside. I dont believe that there would be quite the same emotional reaction to a smaller fish being cleaned.

It is my OPINION that whaling is just fishing with a negative attitude attached. I do believe that it is possible to be carried out in excess though and those regulations are cool with me. but saying its wrong just because they're whales is just dumb i'd say.

[Whisper]

I think Japan is really out of line in the way they refuse to discontinue this practice.

On a related note, I disagree that the seal hunt is in any way comparable. It is in territorial waters, relatively not impactful on the long-term population, and a significant subset of the population depend on the hunt for livelihood. I don't think it's comparable to the wanton mauling of whales in international waters in contravention of UN resolutions etc. for no particularly good cause.

erugh...
I'm not saying something carried out within a country is the same as that within international domain
Everyone here knows i'm Canadian
So I'm trying to make sure to anyone from Japan or of Japanese decent that I'm not saying THATS HORRIBLE YOU MUST ALL BE HORRIBLE
because that's not the case
so I didn't' want to conveniently avoid mentioning the seal hunt, which i also think is wrong
BUUUUT I really have no interest in fighting with you over that no time i'm leaving in like 7hrs for a few days

So the reason I mentioned the seal hunt is to admit to everyone that every country has some dark shitty smear on the international scene
http://www.sharkkarma.com/uploaded_images/mighty_hunter_2006-798091.jpg
This^ is Canada's, The peace keepers and rights activists lawl
so ya main reason it was mentioned was so nobody would feel like I was ganging up on them


I must say that the use of pictures here is a bit much. Not that they are too graphic just that a whale is (for instance only I know that a whale is a mammal, we all had 6th grade science) just a big fish. I assume the picture of the whale being cleaned is intended to turn people off to the idea of whaling, but how else to you expect them to get to the good stuff? cut a hole and climb in? they're big, they're gonna have a lot of blood and everything else on the inside. I dont believe that there would be quite the same emotional reaction to a smaller fish being cleaned.

It is my OPINION that whaling is just fishing with a negative attitude attached. I do believe that it is possible to be carried out in excess though and those regulations are cool with me. but saying its wrong just because they're whales is just dumb i'd say.

See but they aren't the same as any regular fish. I don't feel like searching for hours inorder to back up what I know and making a huge ass post at 3:30 when i'm up a 7
But on a basic level you have to look at population counts...there's allot more tuna or salmon out there
not to mention as a species were in the billions
for food consumption attacking wild animals by the thousands is bad on many levels
we need species we can produce, raise and basically farm, cows, chickens, Atlantic salmon etc....

Allot of whales like Orca's have a childlike curiosity and playfulness
when i was little me and my dad would go out in a boat and we'd run across
Humpback's or Orca's they'd play with us

Dolphins have been known to rescue drowning souls lost at sea literally bringing them back to and holding them at the surface, defend them from sharks etc....Its been documented time and time again


a whale is not just a big fish
they are far more intelligent than a tuna

[arriving_late]

erugh...
I'm not saying something carried out within a country is the same as that within international domain
Everyone here knows i'm Canadian
So I'm trying to make sure to anyone from Japan or of Japanese decent that I'm not saying THATS HORRIBLE YOU MUST ALL BE HORRIBLE
because that's not the case
so I didn't' want to conveniently avoid mentioning the seal hunt, which i also think is wrong
BUUUUT I really have no interest in fighting with you over that no time i'm leaving in like 7hrs for a few days

So the reason I mentioned the seal hunt is to admit to everyone that every country has some dark shitty smear on the international scene
http://www.sharkkarma.com/uploaded_images/mighty_hunter_2006-798091.jpg
This^ is Canada's, The peace keepers and rights activists lawl
so ya main reason it was mentioned was so nobody would feel like I was ganging up on them




See but they aren't the same as any regular fish. I don't feel like searching for hours inorder to back up what I know and making a huge ass post at 3:30 when i'm up a 7
But on a basic level you have to look at population counts...there's allot more tuna or salmon out there
not to mention as a species were in the billions
for food consumption attacking wild animals by the thousands is bad on many levels
we need species we can produce, raise and basically farm, cows, chickens, Atlantic salmon etc....

Allot of whales like Orca's have a childlike curiosity and playfulness
when i was little me and my dad would go out in a boat and we'd run across
Humpback's or Orca's they'd play with us

Dolphins have been known to rescue drowning souls lost at sea literally bringing them back to and holding them at the surface, defend them from sharks etc....Its been documented time and time again


a whale is not just a big fish
they are far more intelligent than a tuna

my beef was with the pictures and yes its actually 5:00am now. sorry mommy ill go to bed

[alsoknownas]

whaling is illegal apart from the minki whale.
however they just take any whale and put it into tins so no one can tell but by using DNA tests you can find out what type it is but by then its too late.

Its like us fishing just the diference is they fish for something much bigger.
If they stick to the minki which is aparently comon then fine but they hunt the endangered kind too.
One whale will suply meat for weeks so they dont need to be fished in massive numbers

[Rutherford The Brave]

No, I am very much against it, but sorry kodie I do not support green peace. I've been supporting the Sea Shepherd before the show whal wars. It's dumb they totally exploitate the clause that any whale killed for research cannot go to waste so they sell the meat for food and are making billions of dollers.

[Requin]

It's disgusting. It makes me feel sick every time I hear or see it.
It's so cruel and pointless, why do they do it?

[Triceratops]

It makes me sick to my stomach to know that people do such horrific things such as this.
What do they get out of it and what is the actual point in doing this?
I have a hell of a lot of respect for animals and stuff like this is just inhuman, it's cruel and sickening.

This brings me back to seal clubbing, which has gone on for quite some time.
I remember doing a petition against seal beating for a school project like about 3 years ago, and it's still being continued from ages ago. People just don't see WHY they should stop doing things like this. They can't see why this is totally wrong and they're twisted individuals.

[Antares]

I really don't understand why the UN hasn't stepped in militarily. To be honest. Whats goin on Big 5?!?!?

This is bad and endangering the already endangered whale species. (or ones on their way)

[Neverender]

I can respect their culture. I'm pretty sure there are things Westerners do that they don't approve of. But that is their land and this is ours. So they can live and eat what they want without me giving a damn.

Of course. Does the UN really have authority over a sovereign country?

Don't get me wrong I think its disgusting but I try to avoid ethnocentrism.

Ant, this is done in Antarctica. And Antarctica is a U.N.-determined free state, but the Japanese are leaving their country to go break international laws set by the U.N. The U.N. has many authorities over a sovereign state as long as its in the U.N. in the first place, much like the Treaty of Varseilles, when Germany left it and then the treaty could not stop her war making efforts, and then they invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc.


So the reason I mentioned the seal hunt is to admit to everyone that every country has some dark shitty smear on the international scene
http://www.sharkkarma.com/uploaded_images/mighty_hunter_2006-798091.jpg
This^ is Canada's, The peace keepers and rights activists lawl
so ya main reason it was mentioned was so nobody would feel like I was ganging up on them


Please Don't delve into the seal hunt, Kodie. Thats my range. It infuriates me about the protestors and the celebrities always going on about how newfies are bloody bay men.

[Callwaiting]

LOL @ the sign saying 'Greenpeace misleads you'.
For a second there I thought they were killing whales, but once I saw the sign I knew I couldn't possibly be right.

Personally it pisses me off that people hate whaling on the basis of "whales being cute and intelligent" You know another species that's intelligent? It's called the human, and thousands of them are being massacred all over the world, and yet where the is the advert on TV condemning this?
Yes, I agree that whaling IS cruel and tormenting for the animals, but really, what in nature isn't? You think sharks don't eat their prey alive? That lions don't eat their own cubs?

The reason I oppose whaling is that it isn't sustainible and is only done for profit, a fact they've consistently lied about.

Edit: No disrespect to people who feel that it is "sick and twisted", but you can't say that someone else's culture and beliefs are wrong because they differ from yours, you're judging people based on your own values.
I'm sure people of other cultures would be disgusted at some of the things you do, things that you don't see as wrong at all.
I'll try to give an example - You were never raised in an environment that condemns the eating of animal products, so why would you feel it is wrong? If someone said they were repulsed by you drinking milk and hated you for it, you wouldn't give a flying crap.

[BlackenedSilver]

It makes me sick to my stomach to know that people do such horrific things such as this.
What do they get out of it and what is the actual point in doing this?
I have a hell of a lot of respect for animals and stuff like this is just inhuman, it's cruel and sickening.

This brings me back to seal clubbing, which has gone on for quite some time.
I remember doing a petition against seal beating for a school project like about 3 years ago, and it's still being continued from ages ago. People just don't see WHY they should stop doing things like this. They can't see why this is totally wrong and they're twisted individuals.

Marshki took the words right out of my mouth!
How would they feel if the Whales and Seals started hunting for humans. :confused:
It might only take something like that or a couple 100 of them dying to get the message to stop across.(Sounds cruel but true) :mad:

[alsoknownas]

i think mostmissing the point.

I dont think we should be against them hunting for meat because really its a big fish but whats wrong is most whales are endangered species IE not many left.

the are common species that could be hunted and really should not be any objections

[Neverender]

i think mostmissing the point.

I dont think we should be against them hunting for meat because really its a big fish but whats wrong is most whales are endangered species IE not many left.

the are common species that could be hunted and really should not be any objections

thats what they said about the Cod in newfoundland. Then The Norweigan Fishing trawlers came by and started illegal fishing in Canadian waters. now theres no cod, lobster or crab. (but we helped destroy the cod stocks as well)

[ThatDude93]

Whaling is horribly wrong...I am no hippie but i love animals. And what is the point in killing these magnificent creatures. I wonder if the people know that if they keep on killing the whales, then the entire ecosystem will screw up and eventually lead to us. Killing of an animal that is so important to the ecosystem can rally screw up the world. It is like logging down the rain forests, we need the rain forest to breathe, most of the worlds oxygen comes from them.

I can be very serious about the environment :)

[ThatDude93]

Sorry about the double post t but I was reading some of the other posts on this topic. Yes nature is cruel, but not like humanity is too nature.

Back before Europeans came to the new world, back when the Native Americans were here, they hunted all the time, but they knew how important nature was, they took only what they needed. So if these countries really need stuff from the whales, they need to observe a limit, not kill hundereds of them every outing.

[Rutherford The Brave]

i think mostmissing the point.

I dont think we should be against them hunting for meat because really its a big fish but whats wrong is most whales are endangered species IE not many left.

the are common species that could be hunted and really should not be any objections

It's not a big fish..... Fish lay eggs, thus they are not mammals. Whales give birth to live young, not lay eggs, also. Whales feel alot of pain, fish die quickly and their sense of pain is diminshed like their eyesight.

Back before Europeans came to the new world, back when the Native Americans were here, they hunted all the time, but they knew how important nature was, they took only what they needed. So if these countries really need stuff from the whales, they need to observe a limit, not kill hundereds of them every outing.

While technically you are right, still mind you that this is true in only one sense. A tribe usually killed 2 buffolo and spread that amoungst themselves. Also vegetables were an very important part of our diets. But yes what you said is true.

[ThatDude93]

Yep, they took what they needed when huntin and grew lots of veggies...lol

[Rutherford The Brave]

Yep, they took what they needed when huntin and grew lots of veggies...lol

Easy now, your creapin' awfully close to the line.

[Whisper]

How so? he agreed with you

[enjoiskater94]

Kids in third world countries are dying of uncurable diseases too ya know? But who cares? Animals are cute!

[Whisper]

Kids in third world countries are dying of uncurable diseases too ya know? But who cares? Animals are cute!
kids here die of incurable diseases, if we can't cure it yet then quite frankly; oh well.
29,000 children alone starve to death everyday, THAT is fixable.

But this thread isn't about them.
The world can have more than one problem going on at a time.
I know, bummer eh..

Allot of whales are considered keystone species
it would be very bad for the ecosystem as a whole for them to disappear

[thiscityisdead]

doesnt the japs have a maximum whaling aloud? i believe its like 50 a month or year im not completely sure on that note, but its the fact that they signed the treaty sayin that they woudnt whale anymore..right? its just one big screwed up economical difference in my opinion, sure i think its screwed up but maybe to the japs thats how they survive from day to day? belive me im all against any cruelty to animals of any kind big or small but it might be how they survive like i said so they can make money to support their families? ever think of it that wayy?

[INFERNO]

The pictures aren't really too graphic as there are plenty of other more graphic things that could be mentioned or posted (i.e. showing the actual process, no I don't have videos on that). As much as humans do require food, if the mammal or animal is endangered, close to becoming endangered, etc..., then I say either quit hunting them or reduce the amount. In international waters, I say no to this. Then again, if it's in international waters, go about and simply kill all the humans doing this, fair enough also. Perhaps we could do a similar method to the japs doing this in the international waters.

If they want to do this, go do it in their waters and have a low amount of whales allowed to be killed. Ideally none but that idea of none probably won't occur.

Yes kids in 3rd world countries die but that's irrelevant. First, there's a lot of them in comparison to whales so no harm there. Second, I'm not entirely sure on exactly how the whales are killed, however, ideally, as little pain as possible. No sense nor purpose to simply torture the whale then kill it. I feel if that is done, then the same treatment should be applied to the japs doing it. Third, this is a more subjective than objective statement but I really cannot stand to be around small kids. I'd much rather choose to be around a whale than a kid (only exception is if the kid fulfills my criteria of not pissing me off and wanting to punt him/her).

So, I have 2 conclusions:

1) Not in international waters as the same treatment could/should be applied to the japs.
2) Have a limit. If the whales have something really important to us, only take what we need and let the rest be.

Edit: I decided to read more of the previous posts, and if the minki whale is allowed to be hunted than only that one and not the others. People usually (not always) listen out of fear. So, if they hunt whales other than minki whales, the japs and others doing that should undergo the same treatment for as long as each whale did (i.e. 1 whale underwent pain and dismemberment for 2 hours, and that person helped with 10 whales, then that person gets 20 hours of agonizing pain/torture. After those 20 hours, a quick, painless, clean killing).

[Dragonite]

It's disgusting when ever I see pictures of them whaling it mAkes me wish those people were dead and died in a grousome way

[Lonewolf4211]

It's disturbing how they make dolphin meat. They kill the dolphin as slowly, and as painfully as they can, thus making the poor dolphin release adrenaline. The adrenaline makes the meat more tasty. *shudders*

[Halibut]

i think its terrible expecially seeing tehre are not that many left. just sad....

[Cloud]

nevermind it not being allowed in internationa waters it shouldnt be allowed anywhere that is just sick.

[Mannequin]

sweetie, you can't convey an argument and put forth such pictures inevitably yielding bias.

[phish]

What are your thoughts on Japanese whaling?

http://z.about.com/d/worldnews/1/7/D/6/-/-/japan_whaling.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200705/r145251_508055.jpg
http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/archives/japanese_whaling02.jpg
http://www.ecorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/whaling.jpg
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Is it right for Japan to continue against a UN referendum they themselves signed?
Do you think they are in the right to practice this in international waters?



No. Just like blue fin tuna they have destroyed the fishery and they need not to do such things.

[JacobHerrington]

in no vegitarian but this is fucking sick. (esxcuse my language)

[Church]

Warn the Japanese boats to leave internation water, pref. with a battle ship

[Mzor203]

So, I have two things to say. First of all, yes, I don't support it, and it is kind of crossing the line, but your use of pictures is... unnecessary. The pictures were obviously put the to bring people over to your point of view using strong emotions when the pictures don't have anything to do with the topic. All hunting is graphic like this. Anyway, yeah.

So, the whales are an important species in the ecosystem, and they are hunted way too much, and it needs to be cut down a ton. I'm not incredibly knowledgeable on the topic of Japanese whaling per se, but if they signed something that said they wouldn't hunt whales in international waters, then yeah, they are crossing a line by doing so, especially when whales are such a key species in the ecosystem and many are already endangered. Aside from the fact that the Japanese are crossing that line, I don't think anyone should whale anywhere, not so much as because I don't like to see animals killed, that's just part of life, but more because of their impact in this world that is already fucked up way too much.

[RsHsChK2012]

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[INFERNO]

Wow I didn't even realize what you meant by "Whaling" when I saw this topic...
I wish I didn't open it up... cause now i got something to say lol. =/
Those FUCKING Jewish American Princesses should ROT and BURN in hell for their Japanese "Whaling".
Fuck'em all !
Kill'em all !

Poor whales...

You are aware that in the world of gore, brutality, torture and sadism, this is by far not the worst. It's messy, bloody, etc..., no argument there, however, the pictures are not the worst. I don't know exactly how they butcher the whales, more specifically, I'm not sure when or how they kill them. I noticed there were various whitish scratch marks on the whale's head, so I'm not sure how they killed it. Either way, as this is being done in international waters, it is fair enough to just send some battleships out and sink the japanese whaling boats (although ideally with few whales on board).

[Prince_of_Peace]

It follows a natural order. Chemicals makes plants...eaten by small animals or small fish...eaten by bigger animals or fish....consumed by man. The whale eaten by the Japanese follow the natural order of life. If for any reason, that the natural order is reversed then we do have a problem. The elemans are created to support plant life. Plants are created to serve animals. Chemicals, plants and animals are created to serve and support the need of man. Now, man are being killed to use are fertilizer to the plants...or to feed the hungry animals in zoos and in the wild...then WE HAVE A PROBLEM. It breaks the natural law of order.

However, do not get me wrong....if whale is an endangered species, then perhaps we should try to increase the whale population first for future generations. Perhaps this is the issue Japan is faced with...they need to reevaluate their whaling industry.

[Antares]

I think its a bit more simple than that.

Either you stop killing whales to save your culture for future generations OR you keep killing the whales so there is no culture left.

The culture can be revived in the future if there are whales. It cant if there arent any.

[INFERNO]

It follows a natural order. Chemicals makes plants...eaten by small animals or small fish...eaten by bigger animals or fish....consumed by man. The whale eaten by the Japanese follow the natural order of life. If for any reason, that the natural order is reversed then we do have a problem. The elemans are created to support plant life. Plants are created to serve animals. Chemicals, plants and animals are created to serve and support the need of man. Now, man are being killed to use are fertilizer to the plants...or to feed the hungry animals in zoos and in the wild...then WE HAVE A PROBLEM. It breaks the natural law of order.

However, do not get me wrong....if whale is an endangered species, then perhaps we should try to increase the whale population first for future generations. Perhaps this is the issue Japan is faced with...they need to reevaluate their whaling industry.

So what happens with say, the Venus Fly Trap (a plant) that consumes and kills a fly? Wait... if the elements are created to support plants, then men being killed to serve plants would be good because there are more elements. Then according to this natural law of order, we've been getting screwed over for thousands or millions of years. Has any big problems come about as a result of it? Nope.

[Sporadica]

erugh...
I'm not saying something carried out within a country is the same as that within international domain
Everyone here knows i'm Canadian
So I'm trying to make sure to anyone from Japan or of Japanese decent that I'm not saying THATS HORRIBLE YOU MUST ALL BE HORRIBLE
because that's not the case
so I didn't' want to conveniently avoid mentioning the seal hunt, which i also think is wrong
BUUUUT I really have no interest in fighting with you over that no time i'm leaving in like 7hrs for a few days


Hey guys, I'm Canadian and I have participated in quite a few seal hunts and im proud of it (i grew up as a hunter). We bop them in the head and for 4 of the 6 years ive been doing it there were more seals that i saw and that were being reported by stats canada. Now we cant all go vegetarian because we were made to eat meat (proved in our teeth) and we hunt to survive its as simple as that. So I think we should do it but the following should be the rules

We eat them and use 2/3 or more of the seal
- Only 6 seal per family or 3 per person (now 6 sounds like alot but u dont get as much as u think from seal and the meat shrivels up alot when u cook it)
Make it so that when seal population goes down too much then all hunting is immediatly stopped

all reenforced by stricter punishments for law breakers

[INFERNO]

Hey guys, I'm Canadian and I have participated in quite a few seal hunts and im proud of it (i grew up as a hunter). We bop them in the head and for 4 of the 6 years ive been doing it there were more seals that i saw and that were being reported by stats canada. Now we cant all go vegetarian because we were made to eat meat (proved in our teeth) and we hunt to survive its as simple as that. So I think we should do it but the following should be the rules

We eat them and use 2/3 or more of the seal
- Only 6 seal per family or 3 per person (now 6 sounds like alot but u dont get as much as u think from seal and the meat shrivels up alot when u cook it)
Make it so that when seal population goes down too much then all hunting is immediatly stopped

all reenforced by stricter punishments for law breakers

Our dentition proves were are omnivores, not carnivores.