Masterbation is a mortal sin

[Prince_of_Peace]

I have been told by people whom I respect and admire in life that masterbation is a sin. Not only is it a grave sin but it is a MORTAL sin. I have not gone completely psycho in this time of my life but the truth is that MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL SIN.

I ask everyone to please forgive me for all my lustful postings in the past. If I contributed to your thoughts to masterbate more, please forgive me. I have sinned to you and all my postings should be deleted. If you do not agree with me, I welcome all your negative comments openly. I just want to say to everyone that MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL SIN. I will no longer reply and post to this website that will contribute to masterbation or pornography. If you think that masterbation is not a sin, that I respect your beliefs. I welcome all your negative comments as my reperation for collaborating of making you sin. Do not be kind but judge me to the fullest as I wish to apologize for all my mistakes.

I am very sorry and please accept my apology.

Sincerly,
[email protected]

[Oblivion]

Where's the option 'Masturbation is not a sin at all'?

Thats my choice regardless of whether its on the poll or not

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I have been told by people whom I respect and admire in life that masterbation is a sin. Not only is it a grave sin but it is a MORTAL sin. I have not gone completely psycho in this time of my life but the truth is that MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL SIN.


The TRUTH is that you might want to figure out WHY these are people you admire for telling you things that HARM your sexual development. The TRUTH is that masturbation is not any KIND of sin. Of course I don't believe in god or satan, so sin isn't even "real". We of course have laws, but that's to keep us from hurting other people in THIS life. Masturbation is healthy and natural (we see animals doing it all the time :rolleyes:). Those who would tell you its a "sin" were just told that themselves by THEIR parents/people they admire because people were ill-informed generations ago. I know for you this is a purely religious thing but honestly; the bible NEVER mentions masturbation at ALL, so you might want to wonder why its so bad if they never even talk about it. If lustful thoughts are the problem for you then; you can masturbate WITHOUT those thoughts if you "have to". I mean it will suck but its better than nothing :lol:

You shouldn't apologize; there is nothing for you to be sorry for. (here goes me with my beefs on religion). These people (and this religion) has made YOU feel TERRIBLE for NO REASON. That's wrong on soo many levels. You shouldn't let these people stunt your growth and development as a functioning and NORMAL person .


I am not judging YOU at all. I feel terrible that they'd make you feel this way about something so natural and NORMAL. I just hope that you think things over a bit, re-evaluate what YOU think is right in your own mind. You have no reason AT ALL to feel so bad about yourself, you haven't hurt ANYONE on this site with previous posts, and you're only hurting YOURSELF here by letting these people affect your morals. YOU are better than that. This is the TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY; this outdated thinking of blindness, hairy palms, and insanity should have been OVER.

I'm sorry that they've made you feel this way (and hope for the best for you)

Sincerely,

[email protected]

[Requin]

I would love to know who actually decides what is a sin.
I've always wandered that. My knowledge of the Bible is very inane and sarcastic.
But you have one view and I have a different one, but serioulsy, if it was a sin shouldn't every male in the world be struck down by lightning by now?

I say try and ignore it, I know that will be a hard thing to do, but it may be better for your peace of mind.

[Synthslave]

masturbation is a genocide.but i dont consider it a sin.i mean.world would eventually collapse if you make a baby everytime you cum.church sucks.

[MisterAndrews]

I go to church every week and i would appreciate it if people would be a little more sensitive towards the religious view.... rant over.

Anyway i know we are told its a sin but ive never really come to terms with it as i think 'he' has more important things to do than punish us for masterbation.

[Techno Monster]

I don't think it is a sin at all, period. I am not even really a christian, so yeah, I don't really care.
The bible contradicts itself, So I wouldn't even listen to anything it says.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Ok this is quite annoying. If masturbating is a sin then sex is a sin in all its forms whether is pre-marital or marital. Making the church a massive hypocrite. Now I'm not out to offend anyone with this statement, I'm sorry if I do but. The catholic church thinks they can control every aspect of human nature. Human nature makes us do things like have sex and masturbation. So what makes the church think they can control us? Not only do they condemn those who break their "idealogical" person, but they say people of different cultures and beliefs shouldn't be loved by God. I'm not catholic but doesn't it say in the Bible that God loves all people. The church says masturbation is a sin, but If I know anything about this "God" it's that he wouldn't consider something that falls under the context of human nature a mortal sin. That's all I have to say love it or hate it that's my opinion.

[Aηdy]

I don't think it's a sin. And I couldn't care less if it was! Life is too short to worry about rubbish like this.

[MissRuby]

If masturbation is truly a sin, then I'm going to the darkest pit in all of hell. :yeah:

Seriously though, who decides what is and isn't a sin? Regardless of what other people believe, you have to choose for yourself what feels right for YOU, and NOT for them. I'd love to know the reasons behind why you consider it a sin?

[The Resurrected One]

This is fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry, but it really is. What is VT turning into? Some religious cult? Some people here, and hopefully most, don't believe a book written so long ago.

[Requin]

Careful. Some people on here may be offended by that.
(I'm not one of them btw)

[Rutherford The Brave]

A book that doesn't fit together and is written in a exaggerated state to prove a point.

[Sapphire]

Although I am not religious, I understand where you are coming from. Believe what feels right for you and act in a way that sits well with your conscience.
I respect your boldness in announcing this and would hope that others weren't being this judgemental.

Ok this is quite annoying. If masturbating is a sin then sex is a sin in all its forms whether is pre-marital or marital.
Ok, you obviously know little on the topic. Masturbation and the use of contraception are deemed to be sins by some denominations because they prevent the fertilisation of an egg by the sperm. Marital sex is allowed.

This is fucking ridiculous. I'm sorry, but it really is. What is VT turning into? Some religious cult? Some people here, and hopefully most, don't believe a book written so long ago.
You could show a bit more tolerance here. You have your views and other people have theirs. Nothing compells or forces you to respond to topics that you disagree with or are offended by.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Ok, you obviously know little on the topic. Masturbation and the use of contraception are deemed to be sins by some denominations because they prevent the fertilisation of an egg by the sperm. Marital sex is allowed.

You not listening to what I said. These are deemed sins by the CHURCH not GOD it's not for them to say, but they deem themselves better than everyone else so they can judge whats a sin and what is not a sin.

[Sapphire]

You not listening to what I said. These are deemed sins by the CHURCH not GOD it's not for them to say, but they deem themselves better than everyone else so they can judge whats a sin and what is not a sin.
Actually, I wish to argue that point.
There are references to conception being a sin all the way back in the Old Testament (The sin of Onan for example). That is because when contraception is used the man's seed is being "wasted". By masturbating, a man is "spilling his seed" and commits the same sin as a man and a woman who use contraception.

Then, later in the New Testament, Jesus warns that to even think in a lustful manner is to commit adultery/fornication and He recommends that it would be better to have your hand cut-off rather than to live and die in sin. (St. Matthew 5:27-30) When you masturbate, you experience and act upon lustful thoughts.

Here it is stated even more explicitly:
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 (A.D. 191).

[Antares]

Okay, as usual please no insults. Everyone has their own opinions and such and we need not attack them. Just argue yours and respect theirs. Don't let it turn into a fight or it will be locked.

Thankies! Continue...

[Neverender]

masturbation is a genocide.but i dont consider it a sin.i mean.world would eventually collapse if you make a baby everytime you cum.church sucks.

how is masturbation a genocide?

[Maverick]

how the fuck is masturbation a genocide?You can debate your points without using that kind of language. Be respectful.

Last warning.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Actually, I wish to argue that point.
There are references to conception being a sin all the way back in the Old Testament (The sin of Onan for example). That is because when contraception is used the man's seed is being "wasted". By masturbating, a man is "spilling his seed" and commits the same sin as a man and a woman who use contraception.

Then, later in the New Testament, Jesus warns that to even think in a lustful manner is to commit adultery/fornication and He recommends that it would be better to have your hand cut-off rather than to live and die in sin. (St. Matthew 5:27-30) When you masturbate, you experience and act upon lustful thoughts.

Here it is stated even more explicitly:
"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 (A.D. 191).

Once again not written or spoken by GOD who is the head of christianity, just by people who supposedly know all abou this. This all ties into my original statement that it's a jumbled up book, that is exaggerated to prove a point. Not only is the book totally out of date, it seems to be tampered with so the info you put could be false or not what originally was written. There is no way you can dispute that, I can't dispute it either, but evidence suggests that the bible is obviously not of its originally context.

[Sapphire]

Look, this topic is about the beliefs of the OP who is a Christian. As such, the content of the Christian Holy Bible is of more relevance than the issues you have with its origins. We could argue about the origins of The Bible till the cows come home, but in the end it would be pointless. You can believe what you want to believe, just like him.

He hasn't damned everyone to hell. He has simply said "this is what I believe and so I won't be contributing any more to discussion of this topic." I hardly see how it is "annoying" or "ridiculous".

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Yeah; but its very sad that the thing people are indoctrinated into believing by elders/admirer's is something that HARMS them. When an unfounded belief causes mental anguish, anxiety, and guilt for NO reason... there is a problem.

[Synthslave]

how the fuck is masturbation a genocide?

it's a joke.and truth at the same time.cause you waste your sperm.and your sperm are potential babies.think.

[Rutherford The Brave]

The content contradicts itself though, all the gospels nearly have 10 elements that contradict each toher, all the acts almost every part of the book contradicts itself. Like um maybe the virgin birth. That makes absolutly no sense seeing as a woman cannot get pregnant without their being a egg that is fertiliazed or penetration.

[Neverender]

it's a joke.and truth at the same time.cause you waste your sperm.and your sperm are potential babies.think.

you cant waste sperm, as you have an endless supply of it. and not every sperm is a potential human, sperm only have half the required chromesomes to create a human.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

it's a joke.and truth at the same time.cause you waste your sperm.and your sperm are potential babies.think.

It doesn't really matter anyway then does it? When you DO have sex JUST to make a baby... only ONE sperm still makes it. The others all still die; so either way you're going to be "losing" all of those babies. It doesn't matter; even if you NEVER ejaculate, sperm that doesn't leave the testes just dies and they are re-absorbed into your system. They die either way. Might as well have them die the fun way, right? :P

The content contradicts itself though, all the gospels nearly have 10 elements that contradict each toher, all the acts almost every part of the book contradicts itself. Like um maybe the virgin birth. That makes absolutly no sense seeing as a woman cannot get pregnant without their being a egg that is fertiliazed or penetration.

BUT GOD CAN DO ANYTHING!

lol. I know its rediculous.

[Mzor203]

The thing I see is that, the Bible thinks it's waste sperm that could become babies. BUT, say you're not even married. All that sperm is just going to sit there ands get stale until it's ejaculated in a wet dream anyway... so saying it's "wasted" doesn't make sense at all.

The sperm will be back a few hours after the act, don't worry.


EDIT: ThatCanadianGuy, firstly, please don't double post. Secondly, you're last comment really had nothing to add to the debate. It could be classified as spam, so please don't say anything if you have nothing to add.

[Rutherford The Brave]

BUT GOD CAN DO ANYTHING!

lol. I know its rediculous.

I was hoping you'd say something along the lines of that lol.

[Synthslave]

Look.I just said what the church says.I don't stand for that.I hate church.For christ's sake.

It doesn't really matter anyway then does it? When you DO have sex JUST to make a baby... only ONE sperm still makes it. The others all still die; so either way you're going to be "losing" all of those babies. It doesn't matter; even if you NEVER ejaculate, sperm that doesn't leave the testes just dies and they are re-absorbed into your system. They die either way. Might as well have them die the fun way, right? :P

yeah.that's what I say.

[Bobby]

Remember when posting in a debate to be constructive.
Remember we don't want to insult anybody, so no harsh language directed towards one's religion.
Remember, double posting is bad.

[Sapphire]

The content contradicts itself though, all the gospels nearly have 10 elements that contradict each toher, all the acts almost every part of the book contradicts itself. Like um maybe the virgin birth. That makes absolutly no sense seeing as a woman cannot get pregnant without their being a egg that is fertiliazed or penetration.There is a full explanation for the whole concept of the Virgin Birth, but as I am tired, I will not be able to give references. Some believe that it is possible because she apparently hadn't had sex with Joseph or another man before she gave birth to the child she and God concieved.

Yeah; but its very sad that the thing people are indoctrinated into believing by elders/admirer's is something that HARMS them. When an unfounded belief causes mental anguish, anxiety, and guilt for NO reason... there is a problem.Not everyone is indoctrinated into believing something. The increase in secular approaches to life, the seperation of church and state and the such like show more of a movement away from extreme religious views.
It doesn't always cause mental anguish, anxiety and guilt. Some are actually quite happy to live without masturbation at all.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Yeah but God doesn't exist so there was no penetration there was no "devine seed."

[The Resurrected One]

Saying that masturbation is a sin is pretty much saying that homosexuality is a sin. Because if sperm is just meant to reproduce then look. As someone mentioned before in another thread, in that case sex for pleasure would be a sin.

I don't believe in sins.

[Sapphire]

Disco pink lemonade, no one can say with 100% certainty that God categorically exists or not. But, we are talking about what Christians believe. If you can't discuss this while taking that into consideration, then why are you trying to discuss it at all?

Saying that masturbation is a sin is pretty much saying that homosexuality is a sin. Because if sperm is just meant to reproduce then look. As someone mentioned before in another thread, in that case sex for pleasure would be a sin.

I don't believe in sins.
This is, indeed, what some religious people think

[Rutherford The Brave]

I'm just saying that for years the catholic church has been thinking they are the best thing to hit this world. But in essence their religion itself is the hardest to believe.

[The Resurrected One]

Aren't there other foolish sins, like eating shellfish or something? I don't know exactly, but I remember hearing about some pretty ridiculous ones.

[Bobby]

This thread is about masturbation as a sin. Take thoughts about others sins in the "Sins" thread.

[Sapphire]

I'm just saying that for years the catholic church has been thinking they are the best thing to hit this world. But in essence their religion itself is the hardest to believe.
All religions believe in a Higher Power so I fail to see how that is relevant to the Catholic denomination being "the hardest to believe". It is not just the Catholics who believe in some of these statements. I can't give names, but I know there are others.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Not everyone is indoctrinated into believing something. .

Sorry but no; EVERYONE that believes in their particular religion was indoctrinated into it. Most are born into a religious family, and never get the chance to question the doctrine, while others are CONVERTED. Why do you think its called a conversion? Their beliefs are forcibly CHANGED.

[Sapphire]

Sorry but no; EVERYONE that believes in their particular religion was indoctrinated into it. Most are born into a religious family, and never get the chance to question the doctrine, while others are CONVERTED. Why do you think its called a conversion? Their beliefs are forcibly CHANGED.
Wow, you do indeed have a narrow view of this.
There are plenty of people who freely look into and learn about a number of religions before picking the one that feels right for them. There are also plenty of people who are born into religious families who freely don't follow any religion and accurately describe themselves as atheists.
Not everyone is a "victim of religion"

[Maverick]

Sorry but no; EVERYONE that believes in their particular religion was indoctrinated into it. Most are born into a religious family, and never get the chance to question the doctrine, while others are CONVERTED. Why do you think its called a conversion? Their beliefs are forcibly CHANGED.
Not true. A lot of people I know go into Christianity (or another religion) on their own. One of my friends from high school who was an atheist, last time I talked to her (it had been a few years) become a born again Christian. When I asked her what changed she told me it was something she herself decided to do.

Her case (along with many others) wasn't forced. People are smart enough to make their own opinions. You aren't any more special.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Then again I think that everyone IN a religion is a victim (look at OP, I feel terrible for him having to go through feeling the way he does) and then people persecuted BY religion are victims as well (duh). But that's just my take on it...

People "looking" through religions still doesn't refute my point; they look at all the different religions and the one that "sells" itself to them best is able to CONVERT them from thinking for themselves to using the "doctrine" as their methods of morality and decision-making etc. Hence... indoctrination.

Remember the old quote: we're all born atheists, religion is something you have to be taught.

[Sapphire]

Then again I think that everyone IN a religion is a victim (look at OP, I feel terrible for him having to go through feeling the way he does) and then people persecuted BY religion are victims as well (duh). But that's just my take on it...

People "looking" through religions still doesn't refute my point; they look at all the different religions and the one that "sells" itself to them best is able to CONVERT them from thinking for themselves to using the "doctrine" as their methods of morality and decision-making etc. Hence... indoctrination.

Remember the old quote: we're all born atheists, religion is something you have to be taught.
Lol, ok, you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

EDIT
It is clear that you don't know what you are talking about because not every religion is forced upon people. Not every religious person is forced to accept the religious values. Not every religious person is negatively affected by religion.

Get a more realistic view on this and then we can discuss it properly.

[Mzor203]

Lol, ok, you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You might want to provide a reason for this. This isn't any proof to why he doesn't know what he is talking about. This can almost be classified as spam.

Then again I think that everyone IN a religion is a victim (look at OP, I feel terrible for him having to go through feeling the way he does) and then people persecuted BY religion are victims as well (duh). But that's just my take on it...

People "looking" through religions still doesn't refute my point; they look at all the different religions and the one that "sells" itself to them best is able to CONVERT them from thinking for themselves to using the "doctrine" as their methods of morality and decision-making etc. Hence... indoctrination.

Remember the old quote: we're all born atheists, religion is something you have to be taught.

Thiis isn't true for all religions though. There are many religions which don't try to convert others or force it upon people. Druidism, for example: My brother decided to begin practicing it on his own after he actually started going and looking stuff up and learning about it. And you can't come back with something like, "Druidism doesn't count, it's not a real religion," because, yes in fact it is a religion, and it is a recognzed religion.

The thing here is you're starting to stereotype religion, trying to make it look like this whole evil thing, when in fact religion is wide and diverse, and while sometimes it will be forced upon you, a lot of time that's not how people feel at all.

The other thing is, not necessarily all religion is taught. Originally religion had to come from somewhere, so it was created at one point. I myself have a view on life that could almost be a religion, but it really was not 'taught' to me. It all come from me, myself.

This is straying off the topic here a bit though. The thing is, if you want to believe that masturbation is a sin, that's fine. It's you choice. Even though I am not Christian, or religious in most peoples' idea of the word, I hate masturbating, and have only ever done it once. So, it isn't necessarily something that tortures people to say that it is a sin and shoulldn'tbe done. If you don't want to, great. One less thing you have to worry about in life.

[clr9823]

Although I disagree wholeheartedly with this guys opinion, if he backs it up with evidence, then it is just as valid as my opinion.

[Camazotz]

I refuse to vote because I do not think masturbation is a sin. If anything, not masturbating is a sin. God gave us a way to be happy. We should use it.

[Perseus]

one thing i need to say is that the roman catholic church considers everything a sin when they have no say in that and im baptist so i believe in god so if masturbation was a sin he'd know anyone who did it was truly sorry. same thing with any sin, if he did not forgive eveyone, then every would be damned to hell, so op if you read this god forgives you. i honestly have no idea if it is a sin or isnt.

[0=]

This is ridiculous. If you don't masturbate it comes out on its own, anyway. I honestly hope the OP is trolling and isn't actually so misguided as to believe you'll automatically suffer eternal torment for jacking off.

[Perseus]

if op is trolling then im stupid because i can spot an obvious troll

[Bobby]

Please stay on topic. If this thread goes anywhere else off the path, it'll have to be locked.

[0=]

It wasn't meant literally, just as an exaggeration to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the claim, although it wouldn't be much of a stretch of the imagination. Other animals masturbate, too. Why would God make them masturbate?

[John Marston]

i have recently seen a topic saying masturbation is a mortal sin and lots of arguments have been placed about how it is and isn't a mortal sin. someone wrote that it is because in the bibile it says that the spilling of mans seeds through ejaculation and sex with contraception is a waste. but what it dosent state(as far as i know) that sperm gets reproduced/refilled everyday so there is nothing to really worry about.if you need a deeper argument it would be because im not that with it right now lol

[Bobby]

Tom, your post has been merged into this thread.

[Sapphire]

There are some who believe that God knows each and everyone of us before we are even concieved. They believe that He has a plan for our lives before we are concieved too. So, by masturbating and using contraception, people are interfering with God's plans. This is another reason why these people believe it is bad to spill your seed and waste the sperm.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

There are some who believe that God knows each and everyone of us before we are even concieved. They believe that He has a plan for our lives before we are concieved too. So, by masturbating and using contraception, people are interfering with God's plans. This is another reason why these people believe it is bad to spill your seed and waste the sperm.

Their god doesn't seem that powerful to ME then if we can mess up his "divine plan for everything" so easily.

[Callwaiting]

What would the world be like if we all took Christianity seriously and the bible literally?

For gods sake(yes, blasphemy) how is it possible that in this day and age people still believe that they're going to be smited for masturbating or using conception?
Is the spread of HIV/AIDS enough for the church to recognise that they need to change their official stance on these issues, or will they keep clutching to their ever-sinking life raft; a book written a thousand years ago.

[Sapphire]

God granted us all the luxury of free will. That is how "we can mess up His divine plan" so easily.

I will stress the point that the number of people that are following these trains of thought has decreased over time. Not every Christian denomination follows such strict teachings either. There are some quite liberal, actually.

[The Batman]

Ok people masturbation is a sin in the Catholic Church and most of the other denominations of Christianity don't believe it. The Catholic Church has a thing about creating sins when they see something they don't like and that it self is a sin because they are re writing gods words.

In fact, there is no place in scripture where masturbation is even mentioned, much less forbidden. This is a very odd situation since it is so common a human experience, and given that scripture speaks of other sexual sins (some fairly perverse and rare) without any shyness at all.http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_masturbation.html

Seriously if you want to do it then do it there is nothing stopping you and your not going to burn in hell for it.

[krystalm]

uhh masturbation is the safest form of sex, and hey, most likely its with someone you love

[theOperaGhost]

Ok people masturbation is a sin in the Catholic Church and most of the other denominations of Christianity don't believe it. The Catholic Church has a thing about creating sins when they see something they don't like and that it self is a sin because they are re writing gods words.

http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_masturbation.html

Seriously if you want to do it then do it there is nothing stopping you and your not going to burn in hell for it.

Good post! Rep+ (If I can).

Anyway, I think the Catholic Church is the main reason why Christianity has such a bad rep. The Catholic church is corrupt and the higher people in it, think it is better then anything else. ****I'm not trying to offend anyone, it's just my opinion****

[Kiros]

Wow, such a poll is quite unfair. I'll add in the one option that the poster accidently forgot about.

[Camazotz]

Thank you Ben! I really appreciate it.

[Sapphire]

Ok people masturbation is a sin in the Catholic Church and most of the other denominations of Christianity don't believe it. The Catholic Church has a thing about creating sins when they see something they don't like and that it self is a sin because they are re writing gods words.

http://www.acts17-11.com/dialogs_masturbation.html

Seriously if you want to do it then do it there is nothing stopping you and your not going to burn in hell for it.

There are a number of ambiguous references within Christian Scriptures. Some interpret these as referring to masturbation, the rest don't.

It makes me smile that your site doesn't address any of the quotations that clearly state that emission of semen leaves the man "unclean" and that women are also "unclean" because of their periods.

A less ambiguous one is in the New Testament when Jesus warns that to even think in a lustful way (which it is very hard not to do as you masturbate) is to commit adultery and is, in fact, a sin.

If you care to read back at one of my posts on the first page, there are two legitimate references (in addition to the above) from the Christian Scriptures.
One is ambiguous and addresses the sin of Onan - God striking Onan down for not impregnating his late-brother's wife and instead spilling his seed. This particular example, as I have already stated, is primarily concerned with contraception. But, the reasons against contraception can easily be applied to masturbation as they are basically similar.
On the other hand, the other is very clearly stated that to waste sperm or to "vainly ejaculate" are frowned upon.

[Falk 'Ace' Flyer]

I go to church every week and i would appreciate it if people would be a little more sensitive towards the religious view.... rant over.

I wish you guys would be a little more sensitive to those who don't believe in "divine beings." All we hear is "I go to church, respect my opinions!" but when somebody doesn't believe in a god, you guys go "well he is real and you're sinning and you will go to hell and blah blah blah." We don't ask you to abandon your god. We don't even say you're wrong. All we do is say that we don't believe in them, and move on. It's not like we're insulting anybody. Honestly, grow up a little; you have your views and we have ours. Get. Over. It.



Anyway i know we are told its a sin but ive never really come to terms with it as i think 'he' has more important things to do than punish us for masturbation.

And what a great Catholic/Christian/Whatever you are to not care about a sin. What right do you have to preach your religion if you yourself don't follow it?

I am sick and tired of these mother 'effing religion freaks on this mother 'effing planet. [/rant]

[Hyper]

Could anybody post the Onan reference? I can vaguely remember it but I remember I really wanted to say something about it back when we had one of these debates.

Personally I tip to the side that it problably is a sin but theres alot of sins out there.

[Prince_of_Peace]

I thank you all the moderators for their understanding and patience. I not logged in back to VT because I thought I will surely get banned. Yet, they have proven to me that they are indeed people that kids can take their good advise. I did not wish to put religion into the topic but it so happened that it was part of my issue. There are so many of you who supported my thoughts that masterbation is okay....I guess because it is just part of puberty. I felt much better after being depressed for a week and half. Please do not attack any religion in this topic because people believe in different things. We should respect their beliefs. If masterbation is a sin, I think it would only between me and God. I think he will not burn me in hell for this. He is too loving and understanding. He is bigger than my sins. For you who do not believe, I thank you for posting your opinion. You guys have a good heart even if religion is not involved. Some people who do not go to church are holy than most people who go to church (no matter what kind of church). Bottom line is this. I do not feel so bad if I masterbate. I definitely will do it but will try to stop. If nature calls, I would go sick if I just stop. Mast...then it is something to be done. I thank you all for your kindness. I thank you all for making me feel better. I wish all of you to be my friend as you truly demonstrated that you do care. Happy Holidays to all of you. and for the Christians, Merry Christmas.

Should Santa happen to pass by your direction, please let him know I do need some lube. This puppy is busting some nuts!

[Sapphire]

That is good for you. Do whatever you feel is right.

Could anybody post the Onan reference? I can vaguely remember it but I remember I really wanted to say something about it back when we had one of these debates.

Personally I tip to the side that it problably is a sin but theres alot of sins out there.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/onan.html
http://www.goodmorals.org/sterile.html

[Mannequin]

"if people dont masturbate, they rape people." - michael jackson lol

[Sugaree]

*facepalm*

Ok, can someone PLEASE tell me, where the fuck does it say in any commandement of the Catholic Church states that it's a sin to masturbate? If you find one then please direct me towards it and I'll consider it. A sin is something THAT IS AGAINST ONE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S COMMANDEMENTS. A SIN CAN NOT BE A SIN IF IT DOES NOT GO AGAINST A CHURCH COMMAND.

It is not a mortal sin nor a venial. There is no need to go to confession over it. What happens, happens. God gave man a penis and woman a vagina. He also gave woman control over her feelings which, to the much disappointed man, means that she isn't horny 99.9 percent of the entire day. So, what are us guys suppose to do!?

But, woman also has the same sexual feeling men have, but, the man does not always want sex. So, guess what happens? It's simple Duke logic as I put it. The people that are brain dead Catholics need to really get a grip. People are going to masturbate and there's no stopping them on your own. So, don't go and preach your word about how evil it is and how the people that masturbate are going to hell.

[Sapphire]

Ok, can someone PLEASE tell me, where the fuck does it say in any commandement of the Catholic Church states that it's a sin to masturbate? If you find one then please direct me towards it and I'll consider it. A sin is something THAT IS AGAINST ONE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S COMMANDEMENTS. A SIN CAN NOT BE A SIN IF IT DOES NOT GO AGAINST A CHURCH COMMAND.
Care to look over any of my previous posts in this thread? I have given evidence from the Christian Holy Scriptures about this. These are Scriptures that are regarded as holy by all Christians, not just Catholics.

And are you actually saying that men have no control over their feelings and sexual activities?

Maybe try actually reading the content of the thread before you start shouting (using caps) and wasting space.

[Raynes]

I have been told by people whom I respect and admire in life that masterbation is a sin. Not only is it a grave sin but it is a MORTAL sin. I have not gone completely psycho in this time of my life but the truth is that MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL SIN.

I ask everyone to please forgive me for all my lustful postings in the past. If I contributed to your thoughts to masterbate more, please forgive me. I have sinned to you and all my postings should be deleted. If you do not agree with me, I welcome all your negative comments openly. I just want to say to everyone that MASTERBATION IS A MORTAL SIN. I will no longer reply and post to this website that will contribute to masterbation or pornography. If you think that masterbation is not a sin, that I respect your beliefs. I welcome all your negative comments as my reperation for collaborating of making you sin. Do not be kind but judge me to the fullest as I wish to apologize for all my mistakes.

I am very sorry and please accept my apology.

Sincerly,
[email protected]

Refer to my post in the Religion sticky. The people who have told you this nonsense, are the type of people I was talking about.

There is nothing wrong with masturbation and whoever told you this, does it themselves. Don't be so gullible, you cannot go through life believing what your told, think for yourself man. Don't let other think for you, it will always leave you miserable in the end.

I go to church every week and i would appreciate it if people would be a little more sensitive towards the religious view.... rant over.

Just because you go to church every week doesn't mean I should change my opinion to suit your desires. In order for me to take you seriously you would have to prove to me that you understand what you believe, and that you weren't just brought up Christian from birth and don't even know what another religion is like.

[Sapphire]

Just because you go to church every week doesn't mean I should change my opinion to suit your desires.
And when did he tell anyone to change their opinion?? All he's been saying is "this is what I believe", not "this is what I believe, so you should believe it too"

[Donkey]

Umm no, all humans have the right to ejaculate and touch, feel, simulate themselves however the fuck they want to. No one should stop others from doing so; that, my friend, is a sin.

[Sapphire]

How is it a sin, Donkey? I hardly see how it can be :)

[Donkey]

How is it a sin, Donkey? I hardly see how it can be :)
(trying to) Stop others from being able to masturbate is a sin imo.

[Sapphire]

(trying to) Stop others from being able to masturbate is a sin imo.
How is that a sin? What rationale is behind that statement? What support have you got for your opinion?

[Donkey]

How is that a sin? What rationale is behind that statement? What support have you got for your opinion?

Umm... I just feel attempting to stop people from doing something completely natural that they enjoy is wrong... Sure you have a right to an opinion, but trying to get other people to stop is unfair.

Just my opinion...

[Sapphire]

Umm... I just feel attempting to stop people from doing something completely natural that they enjoy is wrong... Sure you have a right to an opinion, but trying to get other people to stop is unfair.

Just my opinion...
If all it takes to make something a sin is for a teenager to have an opinion on something, then we are all doomed! :P

[Donkey]

You're not understanding me, I'm saying it's okay to have an opinion but trying to get other people to do something they don't feel that way about is wrong.

[Sapphire]

Yes, I know that. But, just because you think it is wrong for someone to try to make someone else believe what they believe, that doesn't make it a sin.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Who are we to judge what falls under the context of Human nature or sin? Who are we to say what is a sin or not. God never said, masturbation was a sin, he never said eating shell fish was a sin. But automatically Christian's say "Oh my head it's in the bible we can't do it anymore." The point of the bible was to be exaggerated to prove a point, and that point is that God loves all people and that one can reach salvation through inner faith. It's not historical and who ever said that the people who wrote the book could speak for God. If he is as powerful as they say he is he could have written his own book. But what literalists have done is taking the intended meaning of the book and turned it 180 so they can use it to get rid of what they think is wrong with human nature. One thing you can't do is ever deny the natural rights of another, not even God can do that. So basically even though the church said it's a sin, majority votes that it's not.

[Donkey]

Yes, I know that. But, just because you think it is wrong for someone to try to make someone else believe what they believe, that doesn't make it a sin.

Yeah I was just reusing the word 'sin' to prove a point :P

[Sapphire]

The Bible states that it is a sin and leaves the person "unclean". However, it also states that to bathe and cleanse themselves absolves them. It isn't as doom and gloom as people think.

[Donkey]

The bible contradicts itself so much...

[Sapphire]

Which contradictions are you referring to, Donkey? Are they differences between the Old and the New Testament?

[Donkey]

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

[baseballallstar]

Jeez, there's a global economic depression in the making and ppl are worried about this...lol

[Sapphire]

I am tired and don't have the patience to read all of those.
Have read some and it seems to just nit-pick at things or take things too literally. Those who wrote the Bible are bound to know that snails don't melt and the such like. When it comes to the New Testament, the different Gospels are different people's interpretations and experiences. As such, surely a bit of differing details are inevitable.

[fireice99]

The Bible is silent on masturbation, just like smoking. God did not say " Dont masturbate" or "Dont smoke". Its so called a sin, because you fantasise and\or watch porn.... so its lust in a way. Unless you can masturbate purely with innocent , good thoughts then it isnt a sin.

[Sapphire]

The Bible is silent on masturbation, just like smoking. God did not say " Dont masturbate" or "Dont smoke". Its so called a sin, because you fantasise and\or watch porn.... so its lust in a way. Unless you can masturbate purely with innocent , good thoughts then it isnt a sin.
Have you even bothered to look over a few of the pages in this topic? If so, you should have seen Biblical quotes etc stating that it is a sin and why other than the lustful thoughts.

[daking]

If masturbation is a sin then all men of the world (and some women) are sinners.

But yeah, of course I don't think masturbation is a sin. It's annoying when people use the bible to justify everything. I respect people's beliefs but, some people take the bible too seriously...

[Sapphire]

People get all bent out of shape over this sort of thing.

Yes, religions state that basically everyone is a sinner. But, we are all human and it is human to err. As the Qur'ran states, we aren't divine yet and are therefore going to commit sins. Now, whether you believe in God or Allah, your sins will be forgiven and you will be able to enter heaven.

God hates the sin, not the sinner.

[enjoiskater94]

Well, as we speak i'm masturbating, watching porn on my laptop and listening to the sounds of masturbation on my ipod.
I may just be the devil.

[Prince_of_Peace]

pornography = literal meaning from greek word: the devil's pictures.

pornoroy - the devil

graphia - pictures

[The Resurrected One]

pornography = literal meaning from greek word: the devil's pictures.

pornoroy - the devil

graphia - pictures


Really? That is so interesting! Well we learn something new every day. :rolleyes:

[Mysticbeauty]

Basically, we lust and while we masturbate we lust. So meaning it's a deadly sin. Meaning it's a mortal sin?

Please explain this to me. :confused:
GREAT THREAD BTW

[Halibut]

no its life...btu i dont believan god but i can see the view. and its yoru body and its yours to explore the way i see it

[Donkey]

God takes a wank and it snows ... then he tells us it's a mortal sin?? Lol...

No... because he never told us it's a mortal sin...

Because it's not.

[Θάνατος]

Well most of the major religions teach you that masturbation is a sin.

But then again so are most things like premarital sex, underage drinking, doing drugs, and most of the normal teenage things to do.

[Prince_of_Peace]

The early church leaders did not carry Bibles with them. Everyone knew that Jesus went up to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Everyone knew about the virgin birth. Everyone knew about Jesus feeding the thousands of hungry people from 2 loaves of bread and some fish. Every one knew that Jesus expelled demons from people. Everyone knew that he raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. The apostles were not told to write a bible. They were told to go to the four corners of the world to preach the good news of salvation. What I am trying to say is that Christianity did not come out of the Bible. The fact that that there were books written about World War 1 and Wold War 2 only strengthens that IT DID HAPPEN. People did not just make up the books of history. The books were written to testify that things really happends. That is why, the council of trent (gathering of the early Christian church leaders around 350 BC) collected historical writing and smashed them up/compiled into what we now call BIBLE.

Saint Paul wrote to Timothy regarding the Signs of Last Days (Armagedon/End of the World)

"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God."


We are indeed coming close to the End of the World. Jesus clearly indicates that His followers are not of this world. And the wolrd hates all thos who belong to Him.

We are told to think positively. Everything that is opposed to change is labeled negative. This is further clarified by introducing "political correcness" in our life. If you are progress, or in othe words if you accept the popular changes in values, then you are thinking politically correct. If not, you are incorrect adn thus you are an enemy. In United States' public schools anyone can speak Buddha, Shiva, transcendental meditation, wichcraft, etc., you name it; only one thing is forbidden, and that is to mention the name of Jesus. It is even against the law of the land to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a public school. The new morality is simple: "if it feels good, go do it!" The values they teach in school now is old-fashioned Christian ideas are identified as hopeless outdated. Youngsters perceive their parents who as old adn stupid and they don't understand anything about this new, modern world. And now, our streets are filled with burned out junkies, who for a dose of drugs are capable of killing their parents, robbing their neighbor, robbing the rearest convenience store, committing the gravest sins unheard of before, become homeless and sell their bodies. In 1994, United States now kill 1.6 million babies each year through abortion. most recent data says there are 15,000 abortions performed every day in United States.

To make the story short....masterbation is a mortal sin.

[Sage]

The early church leaders did not carry Bibles with them. Everyone knew that Jesus went up to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Everyone knew about the virgin birth. Everyone knew about Jesus feeding the thousands of hungry people from 2 loaves of bread and some fish. Every one knew that Jesus expelled demons from people. Everyone knew that he raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. The apostles were not told to write a bible. They were told to go to the four corners of the world to preach the good news of salvation. What I am trying to say is that Christianity did not come out of the Bible. The fact that that there were books written about World War 1 and Wold War 2 only strengthens that IT DID HAPPEN. People did not just make up the books of history. The books were written to testify that things really happends. That is why, the council of trent (gathering of the early Christian church leaders around 350 BC) collected historical writing and smashed them up/compiled into what we now call BIBLE.

Saint Paul wrote to Timothy regarding the Signs of Last Days (Armagedon/End of the World)

"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God."


We are indeed coming close to the End of the World. Jesus clearly indicates that His followers are not of this world. And the wolrd hates all thos who belong to Him.

We are told to think positively. Everything that is opposed to change is labeled negative. This is further clarified by introducing "political correcness" in our life. If you are progress, or in othe words if you accept the popular changes in values, then you are thinking politically correct. If not, you are incorrect adn thus you are an enemy. In United States' public schools anyone can speak Buddha, Shiva, transcendental meditation, wichcraft, etc., you name it; only one thing is forbidden, and that is to mention the name of Jesus. It is even against the law of the land to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a public school. The new morality is simple: "if it feels good, go do it!" The values they teach in school now is old-fashioned Christian ideas are identified as hopeless outdated. Youngsters perceive their parents who as old adn stupid and they don't understand anything about this new, modern world. And now, our streets are filled with burned out junkies, who for a dose of drugs are capable of killing their parents, robbing their neighbor, robbing the rearest convenience store, committing the gravest sins unheard of before, become homeless and sell their bodies. In 1994, United States now kill 1.6 million babies each year through abortion. most recent data says there are 15,000 abortions performed every day in United States.

To make the story short....masterbation is a mortal sin.

Blue indicates things I want some evidence on, or at least sources cited for.

Purple indicates words that you need to properly define in their context. 'Everyone' in particular. Also, if I may add:

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term applied to language, ideas, policies, or behavior seen as seeking to minimize offense to gender, racial, cultural, disabled, aged or other identity groups.

Orange indicates everything that is just absolutely untrue or a vast exageration.

Also, I underlined anything in particular that I thought was most disagreeable.

Also, you cannot compare the Bible to history books on World War I and II. In the case of those books, you have veterans still living today who can give first hand accounts of the battles that took place, photographic and video evidence, and physical remnants of the war. (Such as battlements constructed during the war and ruins that have still not been rebuilt.) They only happened about 60 (WWII) and 100 (WWI) years ago.

The Bible, on the other hand, has no people alive today who can give first hand accounts (And don't tell me Jesus counts. He does not.), many things claimed to have existed in the Bible cannot be found today (Such as various cities) and many events that are said to have happened in the Bible cannot be found in any of the historical texts of nearby civilizations.

Your problem is that you're viewing the world through a biblically correct lens. Most of society has always believed in "If it feels good, do it." -- because it's human nature. Would you do something because it feels bad? No, of course not. Drugs have been around for thousands of years, and drug addicts who rob and steal and kill are absolutely nothing new. There is no law that states you cannot talk about Jesus or the Bible in school. Hell, you're more than welcome to have religious clubs and prayer groups at the school building, just not during class time. Teachers can absolutely discuss religion, they are simply told to talk about it from a neutral stance as to not impose beliefs upon anybody.

Might I add that you just ramble in your post, starting with things that "everyone" apparently knows about the Bible, and then you state some things wrong with the world today, and out of nowhere you bring up masturbation. Two events occuring at the same time are by no means garuanteed to be in correlation with one another. For example- Since the 1800s, there have been less and less pirates in the sea, and also since then, CO2 levels in the atmosphere have begun to rise. Does this mean pirates (or lackthereof) are responsible for Global Warming? No.

Your point is moot.

[Perseus]

Prince Joel, are you sure it was 350 B.C.? I highly doubt they were writing the Bible then and also Pricne Joel were did masturbation come in in your speech because that came out of no where and Deschain, at my school you're not even a loud to say "Merry Christmas" because(no offense to atheists) a lot of atheists complain about having God in our school and blah blah and lulz moot.

[Sage]

Prince Joel, are you sure it was 350 B.C.? I highly doubt they were writing the Bible then and also Pricne Joel were did masturbation come in in your speech because that came out of no where and Deschain, at my school you're not even a loud to say "Merry Christmas" because(no offense to atheists) a lot of atheists complain about having God in our school and blah blah and lulz moot.

That's a rule specific to your school. At my schools nobody's given a damn. It's not a standardised rule.

[Rutherford The Brave]

The early church leaders did not carry Bibles with them. Everyone knew that Jesus went up to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Everyone knew about the virgin birth. Everyone knew about Jesus feeding the thousands of hungry people from 2 loaves of bread and some fish. Every one knew that Jesus expelled demons from people. Everyone knew that he raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. The apostles were not told to write a bible. They were told to go to the four corners of the world to preach the good news of salvation. What I am trying to say is that Christianity did not come out of the Bible. The fact that that there were books written about World War 1 and Wold War 2 only strengthens that IT DID HAPPEN. People did not just make up the books of history. The books were written to testify that things really happends. That is why, the council of trent (gathering of the early Christian church leaders around 350 BC) collected historical writing and smashed them up/compiled into what we now call BIBLE.

Saint Paul wrote to Timothy regarding the Signs of Last Days (Armagedon/End of the World)

"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God."


We are indeed coming close to the End of the World. Jesus clearly indicates that His followers are not of this world. And the wolrd hates all thos who belong to Him.

We are told to think positively. Everything that is opposed to change is labeled negative. This is further clarified by introducing "political correcness" in our life. If you are progress, or in othe words if you accept the popular changes in values, then you are thinking politically correct. If not, you are incorrect adn thus you are an enemy. In United States' public schools anyone can speak Buddha, Shiva, transcendental meditation, wichcraft, etc., you name it; only one thing is forbidden, and that is to mention the name of Jesus. It is even against the law of the land to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a public school. The new morality is simple: "if it feels good, go do it!" The values they teach in school now is old-fashioned Christian ideas are identified as hopeless outdated. Youngsters perceive their parents who as old adn stupid and they don't understand anything about this new, modern world. And now, our streets are filled with burned out junkies, who for a dose of drugs are capable of killing their parents, robbing their neighbor, robbing the rearest convenience store, committing the gravest sins unheard of before, become homeless and sell their bodies. In 1994, United States now kill 1.6 million babies each year through abortion. most recent data says there are 15,000 abortions performed every day in United States.

To make the story short....masterbation is a mortal sin.

I see nothing in the jumbled up rant that proves the Masturbation is a mortal sin. Not a shred, and your just going to say "Hey look at me I typed up a totally long uneccesary rant, that has not factual evidence disproving what the topic is about, I'm so smart that I am just going to tell people whats right from wrong."

The catholic church has nothing to do with morals, Jesus has nothing to do with morals. Some children are born bad, some are raised in certain circumstances that cause them to go bad can't say that people are bad just because they haven't learned about Jesus, Because some people CAN'T EVEN GO TO SCHOOL.

You guys think your so great, you have the savior of man. Bull absolute bull, you guys couldn't even handle Martin Luther in a civiliazed way, now all you fight about is whether catholics or protastents (Spelling?) are right. In my beliefs, your governed by your own actions and rewarded in an earthly matter, whether that be the farms yielding crops, your wife having a healthy child.

But oh no, we compare not to the catholic church because we do not believe in God, we must be mortal sinner. Oh look that kid is masturbating he must be a mortal sinner. Oh that child had an abortion, LOOK AT ALL THESE MORTAL SINNERS. No wonder everyone nearly went to lutherism, catholics piss them off with all their stupid sins that govern stuff that WASNT WRITTEN OR AND ISSUE BACK IN THE DAY THE SINS WERE CREATED.

[Perseus]

Sorry if this is bashing Catholicism, but The high priest or w/e they are called are making up sins, no where in the Bible does it say, "doing any kind of drug(good or bad) is a sin", and they aslo made driving a car a sin or something weird like that, I swear, they abuse their power and hundreds of years ago, they went into Africa and Asia and tortured people to change to Catholicism, Im just glad Im Baptist. ( Sorry if that went way off topic, but I had to let that out).

[Sage]

You guys think your so great, you have the savior of man.

Ad Hominem. : /

[Oblivion]

Oh good lord Mr. Joel.
How can masturbation be such a sin when you do it so much?

Have you ever masturbated? YES
How many times daily? YES
When did u first masturbate? 10
Where do u usually masturbate? SHOWER
How much do you cum? TABLE SPOON OR MORE
Have you ever used a special way of masturbating? I RUB MY BALLS AND TOUCH MY REAR
What kind of lubrication have u used before? RITE AID BRAND, ITS CHEAPER
Have you ever eaten ur own cum? YES, BECAUSE I CAN SUCK MY OWN DICK
Did u Enjoy it? YES, BUT I SPIT IT OUT NOW
Masturbation
Do you masturbate? EVERYDAY SOMETIMES TWICE OR MORE ON THE WEEKEND
How many times per day or week? ABOUT 10
How old were you when you started masturbating? 12
What hand do you use? ALTERNATE LEFT AND RIGHT
What do you think about whilE masturbating? A FRIEND JACKING ME OFF
Where's the weirdest place you've masturbated? AIRPLANE'S BATHROOM
Where do you masturbate most often? BED
What technique do you use? EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF
Do you use any lubrication? YES AND NO
Have you ever been caught? SO MANY TIMES..YES
Have you masturbated with friends? TWICE
-Separated or together? TOGETHER DOING IT ON EACH OTHER
--Did you regret it or did you have fun? NO....IT WAS FUN
Are you flexible enough to suck your own penis? YES...THATS FUNNY YOU ASKED...BEEN DOING IT FOR LAST 2 YEARS
-If not, do you wish you could? I CAN
Do you ejaculate? A LOT
-If so how much? 2 TO 3 TABLE SPOONS SOMETIMES MORE, RARELY LESS
--Spit or Dribble? SPIT THEN DRIBBLE
---If spit, how far? OVER MY HEAD MOST OFTEN IF IT HAS BEEN A WHILE
How do you clean up? ABSOLUTELY
Did you ever taste it? YES
If so what was your reaction? IT TASTED SWEET THEN SALTY

Porn
Do you look at porn? ABSOLUTELY
If so, what types? GAY/BI
Have you ever been caught looking at porn? EVERY DAY
Do you masturbate while looking at porn? YES

[Perseus]

Shattered.. tisk tisk, havent you seen that he has changed? That's why he made this thread, to spread his opinion.

[Oblivion]

He made this thread, then posted those, and other comments relating to him masturbating, then posted here again.
Explain that?

[Perseus]

Oh shit, did he really? Wow............................................................................. ................................................................................ ...........................................................................He's a liar, but he did change his things in his posts though, so he could be lying?

[Sage]

More ad hominems against the original poster, this time.

...Although, I can't help but agree, that IS a very good point

[Perseus]

What's "ad hominems"?

[Sage]

What's "ad hominems"?

Personal attacks against the debator in question, as opposed to a point against the issue.

[Antares]

Why can't we just make it simple:

Masturbation feels good. Mastubation doesn't hurt anyone. Mastubation has no negative side effects. So who cares?
I am sure god has better things to worry about other than how often you have self inflicted orgasms...

[Sage]

Why can't we just make it simple:

Masturbation feels good. Mastubation doesn't hurt anyone. Mastubation has no negative side effects. So who cares?
I am sure god has better things to worry about other than how often you have self inflicted orgasms...

There's a difference between something that's "bad" and something that's "a sin". It's stupid to debate dogma.

...I have too much free time.

[iJack]

Why can't we just make it simple:

Masturbation feels good. Mastubation doesn't hurt anyone. Mastubation has no negative side effects. So who cares?
I am sure god has better things to worry about other than how often you have self inflicted orgasms...
If there is one, god should be ending pain and suffrage not pleasure...
And it is actually good for you, and you cant waist sperm, you only make billions of them in your lifetime, one is bound to make a kid.

[theOperaGhost]

I think this has gone far enough. It all appears to be pointing out things about the OP. If he wants it re-opened, he can PM me. :locked:

[theOperaGhost]

Unlocked by request of the OP. ***NO BASHING***

[Prince_of_Peace]

Please forgive me if I made you think that I am better than anyone her. I posted that MASTERBATION IS A SIN because that is what my faith tells me. That is what masterbation to me is. I have posted in the past how much I love playing with myself. Believe me, there is not a day that I get a boner that I just want to whip it out and start jacking off so bad. The truth is I TRY SOOOOO hard not to masterbate because I believe it is a sin. THere are times that I would stop jacking off and pray to God to give me the strength to fight my flesh..and the very next hour ...rubbing my rock hard cock again. I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO STOP. I want to stop. It feels good and I know that my penis would feel good to someone considering its over seven inches long and I can feel how good it feels every inch of it. BUt that does not change my mind that I feel so miserable. I would go for weeks without jacking off...but then I end up walking around the campus with a semi boner and it is embarassing.

I need help and I need your help. How do I stop masterbating?! Is there anything wrong with me. My belief tells me that it is a sin. SIN enslaves the SINNER. I believe it is true because I an being a slave of pleasuring myself and I feel so guilty about it. But why do I keep doing it? So I constantly fight and constantly fail...and at the end I feel sad that I have offended God. THis is the cross that I carry on my shoulders. This is my belief.


Perhaps, you can pray for me that God will give me strength and liberate me from masterbation. I am tired of feeling miserable because I can not control myself. I did not post this to ask for symphathy. My poll is unfair and it clearly stated that majority of people who joined the survery do not share the belief that I have. Do not condemn me for being a Christian. I am a sinner who wish to become a saint. I struggle and this is my cross. So, for those I have offended, please forgive me.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone.

Am I the only one in this world who feel this way? Please pray for me.

[theOperaGhost]

Honestly all I can say is that if masturbation is a mortal sin, everyone is going to hell. You need to stop worrying about it. There is nowhere in the bible that says you can't masturbate. Lust is one of the "seven deadly sins" however they were set up by Pope Gregory without any solid foundation on the bible. It was just an overzealous pope abusing his power to make things the way he wanted to. Don't worry about it so much. Just whip it out and masturbate (in private please). You are not going to be struck down by lightening and sent straight to hell.

[Atonement]

Honestly all I can say is that if masturbation is a mortal sin, everyone is going to hell. You need to stop worrying about it.


Well, in a sense, its true. But A. If people don't masturbate. and B. if people ask God for forgiveness etc. we are saved.


There is nowhere in the bible that says you can't masturbate.

Not word for word, but... FLOW CHART TIME!

Masturbation -> Sexual pleasure to thoughts of someone or something sexual -> Lust in mind -> Matthew 5:28 -> Lust -> Sin


Lust is one of the "seven deadly sins" however they were set up by Pope Gregory without any solid foundation on the bible. It was just an overzealous pope abusing his power to make things the way he wanted to.

The dictionary definition of lust is "1) intense or unrestrained sexual craving, or 2) an overwhelming desire or craving." The Bible speaks of lust in several ways. Exodus 20:14, 17 (NLT), "Do not commit adultery. . . Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else your neighbor owns," or Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Job 31:11-12 (NLT) sums up lust quite nicely: "For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished. It is a devastating fire that destroys to hell. It would wipe out everything I own."

Don't worry about it so much. Just whip it out and masturbate (in private please). You are not going to be struck down by lightening and sent straight to hell.

If its what he believes I don't think we should deter him from that. Its his beliefs he is asking about and he wants guidance in his believes, not to be told that his beliefs are wrong.

[Prince_of_Peace]

Is it possible to masterbate without thinking about sex?

[Sage]

Is it possible to masterbate without thinking about sex?

That would be tiresome, impractical, and altogether less pleasurable.

[Oblivion]

Honestly, I can hardly take you seriously about it being a huge sin when you post about masturbating yourself, and when you post pictures of yourself half naked, showing off the muscles leading to the penis.

But, unbiased, That would be tiresome, impractical, and altogether less pleasurable.

That's your answer.

[Prince_of_Peace]

I am very honest to say that I myself is guilty of masterabation. I will not deny and lie to say that I've never jacked off in my life! The fact is, I struggle not to masterbate by diverting my mind from pornography and sex...perhaps I will not feel as guilty and bad about myself all the time.

What does my picture being shirtless have anything to do with this tread? I am not showing off. Please do not misunderstand, but that is not the intention.

[Antares]

I am very honest to say that I myself is guilty of masterabation. I will not deny and lie to say that I've never jacked off in my life! The fact is, I struggle not to masterbate by diverting my mind from pornography and sex...perhaps I will not feel as guilty and bad about myself all the time.

What does my picture being shirtless have anything to do with this tread? I am not showing off. Please do not misunderstand, but that is not the intention.

Yea I agree, your pic has nothing to do with it.

Plus, if you were UBER religious, and you really didn't want to sin then you would let nature take its course and let the cum out on its own accord, not yours.

Heres my motto for your religious people:


"Jack now, repent later!"

[Super]

even if the bible is totally fake and made up think of how the world would be today without the hundreds of christan religans (spelling) were gone and you cant say it would be beter without them

[Sage]

even if the bible is totally fake and made up think of how the world would be today without the hundreds of christan religans (spelling) were gone and you cant say it would be beter without them

Let's take a look at the Crusades, The Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, The Westboro Baptist Church...

Sorry chico, Christians have just as much blood on their hands as everybody else.

[roof]

It seems like only 3 people agree with you. Maybe you should consider that masturbation is a natural way to relieve stress. Why would a god make masturbation so pleasurable and so tempting if he didnt want you to do it.

Let's take a look at the Crusades, The Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, The Westboro Baptist Church...

Sorry chico, Christians have just as much blood on their hands as everybody else.

Yeah, all religions have their share in the unjust killing category

http://www.waygate.com/ideonexus/images/imaginenoreligion.jpg

***Please don't double post. Posts merged. -thePianoMan

[Perseus]

Let's take a look at the Crusades, The Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, The Westboro Baptist Church...

Sorry chico, Christians have just as much blood on their hands as everybody else.

Deschain, even without religion, a type of crusade would still probally of happened because nations were always power hunger whores who wanted more land, and Europe most likely would still of spread towards the Middle East and Asia.
And, how is maturbating w/o thinking about sex less pleasurable?
With or without sex doesn't make a difference and Prince JOel, I odnt tihnk it is really a sin to masturbate.

[Elemental505]

prince of peace masterbation is not a sin. I thought it was but it is not usally people say that to scare you well if you think about it almost everything we do is a sin so just live life you u dont have to belive in me but it is not a sin

[Cloud]

who cares if its a sin were all gonna mess up at some point and go to hell so whats the point in trying to please God when were jsut gonna screw something up later. Btw im catholic and ive been taught about all these daft things people arent allowed to do and there stupid. the bible itself says everyone has sinned when it defines the sins because your bound to look at someone sooner or later na dhave sex on your mind.

In short were all going to hell so why not enjoy it while we can

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I can't believe this thread is even still alive. You know, without outdated moral codes that are thousands of years old, and written by barbaric tribes who didn't know jack shit about pretty much anything, we wouldn't have to WASTE this much time on a topic that doesn't need to be worried about for so long.

When I was a Christian, masturbation was a horrible guilt trip for me, and all for nothing! If I hadn't had such a poisonous message drilled into me from like the beginning of puberty I wouldn't have spent so many nights crying and praying to God that he would forgive me for JACKNG OFF! This kind of traumatic experience is just made so horrible to me because I now realize that none of it makes sense in the slightest.

Masturbation is not a mortal sin. It isn't a sin of any kind. SIN DOES NOT EXIST.

There's your problem solved. No more needless guilt. Just BE HUMAN, and don't beat yourself up over something that is completely part of your nature as a MAMMAL.

[roof]

Deschain, even without religion, a type of crusade would still probally of happened because nations were always power hunger whores who wanted more land, and Europe most likely would still of spread towards the Middle East and Asia.
And, how is maturbating w/o thinking about sex less pleasurable?
With or without sex doesn't make a difference and Prince JOel, I odnt tihnk it is really a sin to masturbate.

A lot less killing would've happened without religions.


http://www.waygate.com/ideonexus/images/imaginenoreligion.jpg

[ThatCanadianGuy]

A lot less killing would've happened without religions.


http://www.waygate.com/ideonexus/images/imaginenoreligion.jpg

Well it is true that the most deadly (and easiest) motivation for massive groups of people to become violent is religious fervor. The problem here is that they killed in the NAME of their religion. Without their religious differences, a lot of conflicts would just never happen (i.e. terrorism today).

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

i am also sorry i tried it a a few times but will not do it again

[ThatCanadianGuy]

i am also sorry i tried it a a few times but will not do it again

You have nothing to be sorry for, and you can do it as much as you want. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with masturbation. Don't let this kind of backwards, non-sensical thinking cause you unwarranted guilt and anxiety. Masturbation is normal, NEARLY everyone does it, and regularly.

[fireice99]

Let's take a look at the Crusades, The Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, The Westboro Baptist Church...

Sorry chico, Christians have just as much blood on their hands as everybody else.

Catholics arent Christians....

[Sage]

Catholics arent Christians....

Saying that Catholics are not Christians is being ignorant to the history of Christianity.

[Camazotz]

Catholics arent Christians....

Roman Catholicism is a branch off of Christianity. So Catholics are Christians.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Roman Catholicism is a branch off of Christianity. So Catholics are Christians.

In fact, Catholics are the LARGEST group of Christians! Without them, you wouldn't even have any OTHER kind of Christianity. People that actually ARE Christian (mostly Protestants in the USA) seem to have a pretty bad understanding of the history of their own religion!

[HOLEinyoursoul]

I do not really know where i am religiously, but i don't quite agree. I agree it can be bad to an extent. If it does become an addiction you have gone too far.

[Camazotz]

I do not really know where i am religiously, but i don't quite agree. I agree it can be bad to an extent. If it does become an addiction you have gone too far.

Yes, but if you too much of anything it can be bad. Eating to much can make you harmfully over-weight. Drinking too much water can over-hydrate you, and you may die. The point is, it's not masturbation that's bad for you. It's the addiction and obsession that is the bad part. Therefore, masturbation shouldn't be a sin, but any kind of addiction should be.

[volaricc55]

I don't care what those religious crazy (not saying religion is stupid) people no offense but its human and oh well if it.

[Tiberius]

We are told to think positively. Everything that is opposed to change is labeled negative. This is further clarified by introducing "political correcness" in our life. If you are progress, or in othe words if you accept the popular changes in values, then you are thinking politically correct. If not, you are incorrect adn thus you are an enemy. In United States' public schools anyone can speak Buddha, Shiva, transcendental meditation, wichcraft, etc., you name it; only one thing is forbidden, and that is to mention the name of Jesus. It is even against the law of the land to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in a public school. The new morality is simple: "if it feels good, go do it!" The values they teach in school now is old-fashioned Christian ideas are identified as hopeless outdated. Youngsters perceive their parents who as old adn stupid and they don't understand anything about this new, modern world. And now, our streets are filled with burned out junkies, who for a dose of drugs are capable of killing their parents, robbing their neighbor, robbing the rearest convenience store, committing the gravest sins unheard of before, become homeless and sell their bodies. In 1994, United States now kill 1.6 million babies each year through abortion. most recent data says there are 15,000 abortions performed every day in United States.

To make the story short....masterbation is a mortal sin.
I know that this is a bit belated, but how in the fucking hell does masturbation influence things like political correctness, abortions, drugs, homelessness, crimes such as, and I quote"burned out junkies, who for a dose of drugs are capable of killing their parents, robbing their neighbor, robbing the rearest convenience store, committing the gravest sins unheard of before, become homeless and sell their bodies." You my friend are one of the most arrogant assholes that I have ever seen. Hasn't it occurred to you that this way of thinking led to the down-fall of the Roman Empire and threw Europe into the Dark Ages for a thousand years destroying countless advancements in technology that we are now only rediscovering? Please, for our sake, think before you speak.
End Rant.

[Mrred]

Haha that's funny.

[theOperaGhost]

Haha that's funny.

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[nick]

who cares if its a sin were all gonna mess up at some point and go to hell so whats the point in trying to please God when were jsut gonna screw something up later. Btw im catholic and ive been taught about all these daft things people arent allowed to do and there stupid. the bible itself says everyone has sinned when it defines the sins because your bound to look at someone sooner or later na dhave sex on your mind.

In short were all going to hell so why not enjoy it while we can

I'm a regular church going anglican, as I think you know, but my take is slightly different. Yes there's a hell of a lot of church teaching, particularly in the RC church, thats down right silly and seems to be designed to keep people down and just make them feel bad about things. Very little of this, as in nothing at all, can be linked to New Testament religion based upon the example of Jesus Christ. A man known as the friend of sinners and one of whose best friends, some even think his wife, was a prostitute.

I don't understand how anyone can take seriously the teachings on sex made by a group of supposedly celibate, very old, men most of whom, throughout history, have either had very healthy and normal sex lives or have been knocking off the altar boys.
Roman Catholicism is a branch off of Christianity. So Catholics are Christians.
There's no possible arguement with that, simple statement of fact
In fact, Catholics are the LARGEST group of Christians! Without them, you wouldn't even have any OTHER kind of Christianity. People that actually ARE Christian (mostly Protestants in the USA) seem to have a pretty bad understanding of the history of their own religion!
Actually no. Most protestants will know that their church has at some point in history broken away from the catholic church, hence the term "protestant". However most will also feel that the reasons that brought about that split are equally valid today and that the roman catholic church, more so at highest levels than at grass roots, is hopelessly out of touch with the lives and experiences of "real" people

[jasinbris]

mate, you should get a concordance and check the translations and meanings for these words
sin
hell (often from Gehena and Sheol)
Devil
Check how the words are used in each context and you will see that hell and the devil doesn't exist in the popular catholic beliefs, it just doesn't make sense.
Email me if you would like to discuss further.

[The Batman]

Don't bump old threads this is 2 months old :locked:.