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Maverick
November 22nd, 2008, 10:08 AM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/21/candyjunkie_2.jpg
An image of Biggs' profile photo, and part of a note he wrote on a body building Web forum.

In the unsettling and bizarre case of Abraham Biggs' suicide (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gtO167ywBhMURgOmp4ScpR7rBdvgD94JF5TG2), streamed live over the Web and witnessed by members of a body building discussion forum, a chilling chronicle of the Florida teenager's drug overdose remains intact online.

Biggs' death was first confirmed by NewTeeVee (http://newteevee.com/2008/11/20/19-year-old-commits-suicide-on-justintv/). Early Wednesday morning, Biggs began a discussion thread called, "Ask a guy who is gonna OD (again) tonight anything," which included nothing but a link to his live video stream on the Justin.tv site. He used the alias "CandyJunkie."



When a forum user asked why Biggs was doing this, he responded,"I wanna die dur." The last word means "Duh," or "Isn't it obvious?"


The discussion thread, in the 'Misc' section of bodybuilding.com (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19), eventually grew to over 60 pages before it was removed by the site, but a cached version of the thread is still available via Google. Though forum members were not initially sure what to make of Biggs' claim, or of the mostly unmoving image of him splayed on his bed, the level of urgency soon began to rise, with several members posting contact information for local authorities and for Biggs himself. They encouraged other posters to call for help.


The cached discussion thread captures the strange and confused way a crowd can react to such an event, with some contributors riding a fine line between baiting Biggs and simply teasing him for what they viewed as a play for attention. When one poster contacted a moderator of the site about the situation, she replied by saying, "He's an attention whore, you should see all the posts he starts, then deletes."


Indeed, it does appear that Biggs, who lived in Miami, had a history of ...
... starting threads relating to drug overdosing, including one from earlier this month, which he titled "I'm gonna have 40 2mg bars of Xanax Tonight! (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111785651)" After discussing his plan to take the drugs, he wrote at the time (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=242181681&postcount=12),"I got banned for a month for attempting sucide and my JTV account was deleted :-(."



Some of those participating in the thread from Wednesday night may have been familiar with Biggs' previous claims, perhaps contributing to a general sense of skepticism even as Biggs, visible via his Web camera, lay unmoving.


Contributing to the confusion was the apparent suicide note Biggs posted to the thread. After a short time, another bodybuilder.com poster discovered that the note itself was not wholly original. And he was right: Biggs appears to have combined text from at least two other suicide notes from elsewhere on the Web, with a short addition at the end. Biggs' note is transcribed here (http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=162252), while the two that he borrowed from are here (http://www.pwc.k12.nf.ca/PROJECTS/ethical_issues/suicidenotes.htm) and here (http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:MvaEKCoYIGcJ:www.vcmagazine.org/vcm/pdf/vcmv8i03.pdf+The+hate+that+rages+within+me,+rages+not+for+those+I+love+so+dearly +or+those+who+have+crossed+my+path.&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a).
Yet as time went on, more of those watching agreed that it was hard to tell if Biggs was breathing. ("Umm he hasn't moved in a long time," "any movement?"). Someone dug up a cellphone number Biggs had posted to the forum earlier this year, and several people attempted to call -- not everyone out of concern.


"Called and went straight to voice mail," wrote a member named Eshamed51, boasting that he left a message in which he used an anti-gay slur encouraging Biggs to "do it."


At this point, a forum member named Bulker began to take the situation much more seriously. He looked up and posted information for the Miami police and Broward County sheriff, and encouraged other posters to call immediately. Appearing increasingly frantic from his messages, Bulker wrote that he couldn't call the police because he was in India. "Misc., don't let this happen," he wrote to the message board.


Eventually several members reported that they called the police.
"Police are on it (Yes called them)," wrote one poster. "I think there's a high chance of fraudin going on here, but even more reason to bust him hard on it. He's either in a lot of trouble, or will be woken up soon when they kick in his door. Watch the cam for swat team."


Nearly 40 minutes after the first round of calls, the message board lit up with announcements and images showing that the police had arrived. Various copies of the video around the Internet indeed reveal police officers breaking into Biggs' room, looking around and finally blocking the Web cam. For posters, the arrival of the authorities seemed to bring the reality of the situation into sharp focus. Many of those who had teased Biggs earlier began to recant, while others were simply in shock at what they were witnessing.



"I can not believe what I just saw sitting at work in my cubicle," wrote one person.



"Anyone else shaking from this...?" wrote another.


Expecting the worst, many posters began to hope that Biggs could be treated quickly. But as one noted, "It seems like too long of a time, [his original post] was almost 12 hours ago."


— David Sarno

Underground_Network
November 22nd, 2008, 10:33 AM
Wow.

Random_oso06
November 22nd, 2008, 11:09 AM
oh my god man that horrible

Techno Monster
November 22nd, 2008, 11:29 AM
Woah.

Aηdy
November 22nd, 2008, 11:32 AM
That bodybuilding forum has always been a mental place.

The Batman
November 22nd, 2008, 12:29 PM
This is exactly why I said that we need to take suicide threats more seriously. It's not up to us or any forum to try and calm the person down it's up to the people around them and when someone threatens to take their life they need to know. Now that site has a multimillion dollar lawsuit because they didn't/couldn't do anything.

Gumleaf
November 22nd, 2008, 09:27 PM
11:00 AEST Sun Nov 23 2008
By ninemsn staff


The family of a student who killed himself in front of a streaming internet webcam say they're furious that people didn't act faster to save him.

Abraham Biggs killed himself with a cocktail of drugs while a live audience egged him on and cracked jokes on Wednesday.

"It didn't have to be," the Associated Press reported his sister Rosalind as saying.

"They got hits, they got viewers, nothing happened for hours."

The Florida university student's father shared his daughter's shock and would not watch the video.

"We were very good friends," he told the Miami Herald.

"It's wrong that it was allowed to happen."

Biggs, 19, announced on a bodybuilding website that he was planning to kill himself at about 3am Wednesday morning, providing a link to video site www.Justin.tv.

While streaming from his webcam, some viewers encouraged the Florida university student to carry out his death threat while others tried to talk him out of it.

With some questioning whether the dose of pills he was showing would be big enough to kill him, Biggs swallowed the medication, laid down on his father's bed and appeared to go to sleep.

For several hours, people continued to watch, with some cracking jokes.

By the time a concerned viewer had contacted the site administrators and police arrived at the scene, it was 12 hours after Biggs' initial suicide warning.

With the camera still streaming, police could be seen entering the room.

"OMFG," one viewer wrote as police hovered over his body, meaning "Oh, my God."

Others, wrote "lol," which means "laughing out loud," and "hahahah".

One viewer was reported as saying he didn't take the threat seriously because Biggs had made similar statements in the past and not carried through.

The pills were later identified as a combination of opiates and Biggs' own bipolar medication.

The site has refused to say how many people watched the incident.

Oblivion
November 22nd, 2008, 09:31 PM
Oh my god thats sickening.
Simply disgusting people would watch and do nothing.

Bobby
November 23rd, 2008, 12:34 AM
I'm disgusted by this. Ugh some people.

Whisper
November 23rd, 2008, 03:41 AM
i'm disgusted by his family
If hes in such a state
like he's committing suicide live online
He had no desire to die not in his heart
People who want to die espically boys walk into the next room and blow their heads off or hang, etc.... we attempt less than girls but are far more efficient
He wanted help
he wanted someone to care
someone to stop him
someone to save him

what a shitty family he must have had if he became that desperate

Hyper
November 23rd, 2008, 03:54 AM
what a shitty family he must have had if he became that desperate

I usually agree with you, but that is just stupid

You can get depressed even with the best family, and you can get depressed enough to kill yourself even with the best family

Whisper
November 23rd, 2008, 04:25 AM
No it isnt

No family is perfect i'm not saying thats grounds to kill yourself

But seriously why would somebody take their own life online?
He wants attention
and hes seeking it
seeking help
from complete strangers
granted he went to a crappy spot other sites would have been allot better

But ya
negative

and that in no way shape or form fits standard MO
I know not everybody is a statistic I myself tried ODing on drugs which is unusual for guys

But ya
THAT was a cry for help
that was answered way to late
There are warning signs
I don't care who you are there are signs

Did everyone els online handle it well no
But honestly how often is that faked and lied and exagerated about
they thought he was kidding


It is the parents and the teachers responsiblilitys to watch for signs
And dont give me that well maybe they didnt know crap
because teens dont go from perfectly fine to dead online overnight
there are signs that a blind bat could see
marks plumeting
withdrawing from everyone
irritability
sleeping constantly/insomnia

etc.....

Requin
November 23rd, 2008, 09:06 AM
Wow. That's horrible, I was getting goosbumps just reading it. What is wrong with those people on that forum?
Why would anyone joke about it.
I just don't get people sometimes, it makes me sick.

Sapphire
November 23rd, 2008, 11:31 AM
People who advertise that they are killing themselves (or going to kill themselves) over the internet are sick. If you want to reach out, reach out to those who can actually help you by getting an ambulance or staying with you to stop you doing it.

Requin
November 23rd, 2008, 12:42 PM
It was more the reaction of the other posters that shocked me most really.
It was disgusting, so so wrong, I hated reading that really.

Sapphire
November 23rd, 2008, 02:31 PM
I am not normally one to judge people when it comes to this topic. But, online announcements of suicide are just a whole seperate thing.

I have had friends who have posted on forums stating that they have taken an OD or slashed their wrists. When we have tried to help them and advised them to get help, they blew off our efforts. If they are that adamant that they want to die, then they shouldn't broadcast it. It is selfish and attention seeking.

If they want to reach out and actually seek help, they should do so by contacting someone they know in real life who can help them properly.

Hyper
November 24th, 2008, 07:44 PM
Avoiding wall of text..

etc.....

Sure there are signs but what the hell is there to judge for you or me? Who the hell knows what was going on in his family, maybe his parents werent close to him maybe they were too damn depressed themselves to notice. Theres a million possibilities for everything basically

The real deal is society. I can understand not giving a damn about an attention seeker, though dropping 2 minutes of your time even to just say something nice wouldn't hurt anyone and would make you think of yourself as a better person, but most kids these days would rather urge him to do it because he is a fag & so on and on

Nobody seems to care about anyone but themselves anymore, atleast thats the major trend; trample on the backs of the weak and spit in the face of the people too weak to help themselves.

And this all comes down to social norms.. How social groupings act, how parents teach their children, how their taught at school etc, etc... If things don't change we will soon have a society of people who just don't care about other people not in the slightest bit.. I don't think we've achieved the point YET where the majority of ADULTS is like that but I definately think that the majority of TEENAGERS is like that..

Sapphire
November 25th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Actually, their responses are more likely to be down to deindividuation than anything else.
Deindividuation is the process in which members of a group are able to shed their individual identity and take on a group identity. They are essentially anonymous to those from outside of the group. The members of the group are then able to take part in behaviours that are outside of social norms with a diminished possibility of being recognised and being made accountable for those actions.

The "baiting" behaviour that the members apparently engaged in here, is an example of how the social norms can be put aside when people are deindividuated.
See Mann (1981) for cases of similar baiting.

Whisper
November 25th, 2008, 03:20 PM
Sure there are signs but what the hell is there to judge for you or me? Who the hell knows what was going on in his family, maybe his parents werent close to him maybe they were too damn depressed themselves to notice. Theres a million possibilities for everything basically
Okay let me explain this in as basic a term I know how
If a child kills themselves then the parents FAILED
Everyone is freaking out and trying to blame the teens and society because its more politically correct to help the parents shed the blame
but the fact is as parents the most primal and important of job, THEY FAILED
What they need to do is grieve for him. Then they need to step back, and with the help of a professional, find out where they fucked up and what they missed. So they can go out and talk about it to other parents, hopefully inturn they won't make the same mistake

Actually, their responses are more likely to be down to deindividuation than anything else.
Deindividuation is the process in which members of a group are able to shed their individual identity and take on a group identity. They are essentially anonymous to those from outside of the group. The members of the group are then able to take part in behaviours that are outside of social norms with a diminished possibility of being recognised and being made accountable for those actions.

The "baiting" behaviour that the members apparently engaged in here, is an example of how the social norms can be put aside when people are deindividuated.
See Mann (1981) for cases of similar baiting.
I COMPLETELY agree
you see this in every mob, large gang, army etc...
It's a defense mechanism
It allows you as an individual to blend in and defend yourself from the "mob" and do what you have to do without that pesky conscience getting in the way or clouding your judgment

Its like when you experience times of HIGH stress
adrenaline shoots through your system, endorphins are released
your senses dim, your vision narrows, even your basic concept of time shuts off; a second seems like an hour, an hour like a second

relativity lulz

Techno Monster
November 25th, 2008, 05:49 PM
What has the world come to?
Kids killing themselves LIVE?!?

Underground_Network
November 25th, 2008, 06:16 PM
^^ It's really not all too uncommon (to an extent), nor is it a new phenomena...