Proposition 8

[iJack]

Im pretty sure you all know what Proposition 8 is, but if you dont, Proposition 8 is a California State ballot proposition that would amend the state Constitution to restrict the definition of marriage to a union between a man and a woman. It would overturn a recent California Supreme Court decision that had recognized same-sex marriage in California as a fundamental right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_%282008)


Me, i think it was a shitty decision to pass Prop. 8. They were on the right track, but *** upped. '

What do you think? And please, keep it clean.

[Θάνατος]

I agree with Jack here.

Gay marriages should be allowed.

[Random_oso06]

Pro 8 is just stupid they will actually believe that people will listen to that cr$p what happen to the America that was the place were your free to do what ever you want a freedom of hope and chance but then they change it that makes me sick

[theOperaGhost]

I'm rather neutral on this actually...I couldn't care less. It wasn't going to affect me either way.

This is slightly off topic, but I find it ironic that some people will say what happened to this being the land of the free, when they probably agree with Obama's plan on gun control, which I don't.

[The Resurrected One]

Fuck Proposition 8.

Fuck the people who came up with it.

Fuck the people who voted YES.

Fuck everyone.

[The Batman]

I think it was completely stupid to even have it on the California ballot. People need to stop putting their personal beliefs before what's right.

[The Resurrected One]

I think it was completely stupid to even have it on the California ballot. People need to stop putting their personal beliefs before what's right.

Yeah. Fuck them.

[Serenity]

Fuck Proposition 8.

Fuck the people who came up with it.

Fuck the people who voted YES.

Fuck everyone.

Yeah. Fuck them.

Just a reminder, this is the DEBATE forum. Intelligent and supported arguments are strongly encouraged. Thanks.

[Whisper]

I honestly just believe they're scared and confused
It won't last forever
It will change
It will get better
Just give it time

It takes awhile to educate and change peoples views
The older you are
the harder it is

It's just the way you're brought up
What you're exposed to at a young age
They aren't concerned with one or two individuals
They are concerned about the country
They believe it harms the moral compass of America

It wasn't all that long ago men, women and children were bought and sold in the United States as slaves
and now somebody who just a few generations ago would have been a slave
Is the future president of the United States of America
It'll all come in time

[UrGoingDown]

I agree with Whisper.
Change comes with time, not in the second you demand it.

[theOperaGhost]

I also agree with Kodie. I feel in our generation or in maybe the generation below us, there will be more change, because things are becoming more acceptable. Change does take time. Slavery was ended over 100 years ago, but it took a lot of time for black people to gain equality. They are still fighting the battle actually. The battle for equality for homosexuals has only recently started. It's going to take time.

The majority of voters have grown up learning that homosexuality is wrong. The next couple of generations of voters will definitely be more open to it though. This may be discouraging for people who are homosexual today, but I feel the future will be different.

[Whisper]

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[Nihilus]

I doesn't effect me in any way, shape, or form. I think the prop shouldn't have passed.

[Atonement]

I am againstthe prop, doesn't effect me, but leads the nation. I disagree with CA because why shouldn't same sex couples suffer as much as same sex couples? ha ha...

[Kiros]

Was this proposition passed?

Personally, I don't see the point. If they came to the conclusion that same-sex marriage is a right, then it would be unconstitutional to not allow it. I think, anyway. My political reasoning is a bit lacking since I haven't been in school for a semester.

[Antares]

Ooh, Im glad this thread was posted, I was totally thinking about it.

Anyways, yes Kodie, it was passed (if passed means won by the Yessers on the ballot).

First, why did they even ressurect it and put it on the ballot? If it was already a state law then why change it? I don't understand that. Anyways, I think this goes to show that people either didn't know what they were doing or really don't want to let gays get married. Almost everyone I have ever met are in favor of gay rights however this vote obviously reflects the publics opinion so idk.

People, if its not bothering you then why worry?
So idk. I feel bad for them

[Whisper]

Anyways, yes Kodie, it was passed (if passed means won by the Yessers on the ballot).

.....I know it passed

[Kiros]

I think he was talking to me, the one that asked the silly question :P

[iJack]

People, if its not bothering you then why worry?
So idk. I feel bad for them
Why worry?

To some it shows how stupid we, as a race, can be.
How we re denying one group something that we have.
And would be f*ng pissed off to have taken away.
Yet, they don't seem to realize that.

Also, what have gays ever done to them?
Dress, speak, act differently?
Everyone does.
Its human to.
If not, we have a problem.

[CaptainObvious]

Was this proposition passed?

Personally, I don't see the point. If they came to the conclusion that same-sex marriage is a right, then it would be unconstitutional to not allow it. I think, anyway. My political reasoning is a bit lacking since I haven't been in school for a semester.

The proposition that was passed is an amendment to the California State Constitution. By definition, amending the constitution to disallow same-sex marriage makes such exclusion constitutional.

Now, in spite of being passed, the amendment may yet be successfully challenged. A suit has already been filed to challenge the validity of the proposition as a constitutional amendment; the argument is that it is not a constitutional amendment but rather a constitutional revision (because it changes some of the core precepts of the California Constitution) and as a result must be passed through a different process (which requires 2/3 majorities in both of the state Assembly and Senate). These challenges have, however, almost all failed in the past.

I am disheartened by the passage of the proposition... and there's really not much more to say without going on and posting massively. This is the kind of thing that makes me scoff when I hear Americans going on about how America is the bastion of liberty in the world... yeah, right.

[mr.sexy_bomb]

yeah i mean how would they feel if straight marriage was illegal

[Callwaiting]

This is just ridiculous, the whole argument is based on religion.

What reason could there be to make same-sex marriages illegal apart from stupid religious beliefs?

[The Resurrected One]

This is just ridiculous, the whole argument is based on religion.

What reason could there be to make same-sex marriages illegal apart from stupid religious beliefs?

I agree!

[Bobby]

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[Antares]

I think he was talking to me, the one that asked the silly question :P

Sorry, I said Kodie instead of Ben/Kiros
Whatev :P

Also, umm with the constitutionality of the amendment, I think I agree with the people that think it is unconstitutional. I am not sure if the California Consititution is actually really like the US one, but if it is, in order to amend it you need a 3/4ths majority in both houses. Since when did a public vote do so. I think that it is unconsititutional for that exact fact and I think we should just get it overwith and have it decided by the Supreme Court or just make the law at a federal level. This is getting rediculous.

[Coesistere]

Since I am one of the many VT'ers in the actual state of California and if I ever do end up with someone I Love that is the same gender as I am, this is a very important deal for me. This saturday im going to a Protest at my citys local court house and I can't wait to state my opinion. There are many people at my school that support Prop 8 and I must say most will not listen to logic, many just tell me " because" and one of my friend keep telling my that the "4 evil judges that overruled the 'peoples' vote are the wrong ones" but she just doesn't listen to me when I tell her that it is kinda their joob to rule out things that violate the constitutioin ( which Prop 22 had done )

[eikookmi]

Well yeah its all based on religion. Because of eve and adam? Eve got curious and went with adam. that's why its man and woman. But hello....eve had no other choice. She had to have adam, he was the only human. And plus don't they say they everything god makes is good? So god must love gays. Maybe god is bi for all we know. And people believe in god to explain the unexplainable which is how religion came into the place in the past. People need to center their life around something and have something to believe in.

Many "yes" people say they dont care if gays have civil union or if they are together. Why can't they marry spiritually in a ceremony? They aren't as cool or popular or special enough as straight ppl? I thought marriage was based on love. People are so worried that they are tainting marriage where straight people have already fucked up the meaning of marriage. People marry for dumb reasons like money or getting a girl pregnant. Gays actually take marriage more seriously and dont take it for granted.

Then there's the crap about how gays shouldn't raise a family. Everyone shud have a mom and dad blah blah. IN reality, many families are fucked up. A gay couple would actually be loving then most parents and function fine as a family. And once i heard this guy say that he voted yes because the purpose of marriage was for a man to populate the earth. that was the past and we moved on. We are overpopulated now. SO shouldn't he be supporting the gays lol? ANd they adopt children, i thought that was a good thing?

Before when this matter was brought up onto the california court, they ruled saying it was discrimating and allowed gay marriage. How can they just take it back? If the court accepted it back then, how can they not accept it now in modern days? What kind of society are we? We allow them, but we dont allow them to get married? This society depresses me. It's like telling you that u cant marry that person because they aren't the same race as you. This whole thing is just discriminative.
Its allowing one religion to take over. United States cant favor a religion, however its the people who decided so we can't even do anything about it at the moment. We all know that in time people will have to let gays marry. If u look at statistic it's mostly younger people saying no. Its because of the time zones we were born into. Many older people dont accept. I hear my dad when he talked about prop 8, it made me so mad i almost wanted to tell him im bi and see his reaction. I should have. He says he'd accept me but wouldn't approve, so maybe he suspects?

But anyways, its just discriminating and a downfall for today's modern society. People will look back at this and be ashamed just like when we look back in time as we enslaved people.