jesus

[grass]

i was just wondering how many ppl here believe in God

[Shaolin]

No, i believe religion has caused too much war and chaos in the past.

Such a stupid reason to trigger mass death and destruction.

The bible in itself really means no harm, infact its good for our society. Just if it had never been invented, people wouldn't mis understand and act on their misunderstanding of the bible.

Infact i think the bible was created by insane people. Moses saw a tree, on fire, talking to him. Sounds alot like schizophrenia to me.

[Waiting]

heehe, in my religious study lessons we are proving that God doesnt exist and if he did exist he is some kind of Phsyco Muderer person. and think about this, if god is all forgiving y is there a hell?

[dying lullaby]

i believe in God

[WhoAmI8505]

heehe, in my religious study lessons we are proving that God doesnt exist and if he did exist he is some kind of Phsyco Muderer person. and think about this, if god is all forgiving y is there a hell?

who said there was a hell? think about it like this:

you make a religion and ou believe in it. but no one else believes it too so what do you do, becaus eyou want people to do what you say? you tell the very gullible folkz that if they don't believe what you do that when they die, they will be in an eternal flame forever.

i think any religion that follows one deity hs too many cracks andholes in it. like if hell has eternal flame, and you'll burn there forever, and you don't have any pain receptors, how do yo feel the burn?

[Waiting]

okkkkk

[Katie]

I'm Catholic.


does this at all pertain to cutting or self harm? :?:

[Waiting]

do u abide by all the rules, and do all the going and asking to forgive your sins and your not gonna have sex untill your married? i could neer do that, havnt got the will power, thats probably y i still cut, can give up

[roxy4sixty9]

i belive in god but dont think hes a great as everyone says if i did ever follow someone or thing it would probly be saten so thats me bye

[TheWizard]

I don't believe in anything. To me when you die you become magget food.

[dying lullaby]

i believe that too. i believe in a little of everything i think

[Katie]

when i was little i used to insult people by calling them 'maggot infested lima beans.' how that came to be, i'll never know.

[/random]

[Waiting]

i wont be maggot food, i will be cremated

[Anonymous]

I've seen too much to believe in a God that's there to help us, a God that's supposed to love us, someone who is always supposed to be there for us to catch us when we fall...I suppose there COULD be a God, but he or she clearly doesn't love everyone and I have yet to encounter this so called "God."

[RunAwayMolly]

No, i believe religion has caused too much war and chaos in the past.

Such a stupid reason to trigger mass death and destruction.

The bible in itself really means no harm, infact its good for our society. Just if it had never been invented, people wouldn't mis understand and act on their misunderstanding of the bible.

Infact i think the bible was created by insane people. Moses saw a tree, on fire, talking to him. Sounds alot like schizophrenia to me.


Quite the oxymoron isnt it? Most religions are based on good defeating evil, but yes I believe in God, I also believe that jesus died on the cross for us, to save us.

[RunAwayMolly]

I just wish I were better about it. Sometimes I wish I were an athiest because then I wouldnt have to worry about heaven/hell so much, but growing up in a christian family you come to believe and there is no changing your mind.

[Jono]

I have grown up believing in God, and although I don't have a complete view on Him, I believe there is something else after death...

[Jono]

Actually, I'll move this to debates :arrow:

[Dfsg]

Hold it- who is trying to say that God is all forgiving? He is only forgiving if you believe that through Jesus Christ you are forgiven. Anyone who opts not to take that forgiveness gets a wonderful time in Hell.

Here's a shocking theological fact- God doles out your punishment in hell, not Satan. Satan dwells on earth corrupting souls.

So, other people have said that there are too many holes in the Bible. This is completely not true. Look at the some 300 prophesies about Jesus's birth, life, and resurection. Every single one of them came true. 33 prophesies were made based on his birth, and for each one of them to come true, it was a 1:1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion) possibility. I've heard this analogy: Cover the earth in one square foot tiles. One has a star on the bottom-side. The chances of Jesus's birth are near to the chances of you flipping over the right tile.

Also- there was a reference to the burning bush. How would Moses be Schizophrenic? He put his hand in the bush, and he didn't burn. Does his "schizophrenia" control the burning properties of fire? I think not- that takes the devine.

Well, as you can tell, I'm a very faithful Christian, and you'll never take that away from me!

[RunAwayMolly]

Hold it- who is trying to say that God is all forgiving? He is only forgiving if you believe that through Jesus Christ you are forgiven. Anyone who opts not to take that forgiveness gets a wonderful time in Hell.

Here's a shocking theological fact- God doles out your punishment in hell, not Satan. Satan dwells on earth corrupting souls.

So, other people have said that there are too many holes in the Bible. This is completely not true. Look at the some 300 prophesies about Jesus's birth, life, and resurection. Every single one of them came true. 33 prophesies were made based on his birth, and for each one of them to come true, it was a 1:1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion) possibility. I've heard this analogy: Cover the earth in one square foot tiles. One has a star on the bottom-side. The chances of Jesus's birth are near to the chances of you flipping over the right tile.

Also- there was a reference to the burning bush. How would Moses be Schizophrenic? He put his hand in the bush, and he didn't burn. Does his "schizophrenia" control the burning properties of fire? I think not- that takes the devine.

Well, as you can tell, I'm a very faithful Christian, and you'll never take that away from me!

AMEN BROTHER! I understand this completely... its just so hard to be a christian nowadays because of temptation... i admit i am not worthy and never will be, but the fact that i have the oppotunity still makes me believe.

[somedudeyoudontknow]

It surprises me how little you people know of spirtuality. First of all, the reason there is suffering on earth is because the creator gave humans free will. Why did the creator do this? He/she did this becuz she wanted a life form that did not operate solely on instinct. Thus, humans were given free will and intellect. Also, the reason the creator wanted a smart life form was that someone or something would appreciate His/ Her work. He/she wanted to share what he/she had worked so hard on to produce. Now, it is illogical to deny that there is a creator. Science takes us as far back as the Big Bang. Now tell me. What was there to make that molten ball explode? Nothing else you say, will that does not make any sense now does it? Wait, where did the hot sphere come from? You don't know? Well, that doesn't make any sense. I say something was there all along that made this ball and then decided to make it explode. Furthermore, on a philosophical level, one must consider that there is such intelligent order within our universe. Planets revolve in elliptical orbits around central stars. Electrons, protons, and neutrons form atoms. Atoms form molecules. Molecules shape together tof form substances. Molecules can make organelles. Organelles make cells. Cells make tissue. Tissue makes organs, then organ sytems, multi-cellular organisms, population, ecosystems, then the biospehere which is basically the earth. Now conider this. Saying the earth is random is like saying the a lightning bolt struck metal in a junkyard and created and i Mac. It is simply ridiculous. Our universe is simple too comples to be unplanned. Something knew what they were doing. Some of us just happen to call that God. Now, there's the issue of the Bible, which I would like to say does not truly come from God's mouth, but from a bunch of old guys who had nothing better to do than sit around and write stuff. All of the people whose writings are found in the bible are what I would call poets. It is poetry because it can be interpreted on so many different levels. I would say the writings of the Bible are no law, but more of weak guidelines that were designed for the time in shich they were written. Don't be moronic and tell me that the Bible says it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery. Now, we know better, bu the people of the time of the Bible still could not undertsand that. People, there is no need to take things in the Bible literally, yet there is no need to be hatin' on the people who do. Come on, wake up! Jesus Christ is a symbol of ultimate love. Ultimate love people. Why did he choose to die? WHY? WHY? He did it so that we might be enlightened and see that life is not only material possessions but much much more. Hey, there's other people on this planet with me. Maybe we should help each other out? DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH! It is right there in front of you. If Jesus, existed or nott, that's a question you ppl should answer! I don't really wanna gett too off topic. Now, hell. Waht should I say about hell? Hell is something that scares morally immature people into being good so that they can have a good place in the afterlife. Hell is a load of bullshit. Now, Satan i believe in because the universe is balnced and there can be no good w/o evil, but I do not belive they are evenly atched. God has more power over Satan cuz God made the whole universe in the first place. Satan is just trying to overthorw God. I think of Goad as a fatherly/motherly figuyr because of all the good he's given us. Children are born, butwe choose to throw them in trash cans cuz we weren't ready fr the responsibility. We were given a beaytiful planet with creatures aplenty, but we choose to kill hundreds of species eeryday. Even though God knew we'd mess up his utopia, he wanted to share with a smarter creature. He made us. Now, since he made everything there is no reason to believe that he forgive us as well. Now, just don't think He will be stepped on. You are forgiven iof there's incentive and u sow that ur being a better person. That's how this sytem works. And, where do we go if we dont get into heavemn? Simple, purgatory/heaven. Here u gotta wait 4 the ppl u've hurt 2 forgive you. Becuz they're human they will forgive you at some ponit. So no1 needs to go to Hell. There I think I've got everything I wanted to say off my chest. So go ahead. scrutinize me, I'll forgive u in the end.

[TheWizard]

paragraphs are a wonderful invention

[Dfsg]

Indeed :D That is one tough read without paragraphs organizing your thoughts!

[Happynoodleboio]

Imm a Jewish boy :)

[*-tick tock-*]

i beleive in god,yes.
i remember a story like..
adam and eve were created on earth in this paradise place god wanted to test their beleifs or something.. and so he tells them to not eat off the "forbidden tree"... well some serpent thingy persuaded one of them to eat off the tree... and so they did.. then they got kicked out of the "garded of eden" and thats how this mayhem was all created....
im braid dead atm i dont remember the whole story behind this

[Runner]

I believe in God...not only because I was raised Catholic and went to a parochial school but because of something someone once said to me that made sense. No matter what you believe in whether it is God, or any other god, it is important to believe in a higher power. If you have no belief that there is a higher power than you, you are essentially claiming to be all powerful. Make sense? Made sense to me!

[Anonymous]

Yes i belive in god i am a conservative Christian

[SocKs]

Yes, if it wasnt for God, Hitler wouldent have shot himself.

[Anonymous]

I think if it wasn't for the Lord we wouldn't be here today.

[Frªñk]

I don't believe in anything. To me when you die you become magget food.

same.

[Runner]

I believe in God...not only because I was raised Catholic and went to a parochial school but because of something someone once said to me that made sense. No matter what you believe in whether it is God, or any other god, it is important to believe in a higher power. If you have no belief that there is a higher power than you, you are essentially claiming to be all powerful. Make sense? Made sense to me!

What is so wrong with being all powerful. Some men can do anything.

Like who?

[Anonymous]

All women can do any thing if they put their mind to it same as men.

[roxy4sixty9]

i think there is a god or whatever but i dont follow him or it or whatever no religion for me

[Waiting]

I don't believe in anything. To me when you die you become magget food.

same.

and me

[roxy4sixty9]

and i also think that you die become magget food but i think you are like umm i think the word is rencarssentated within another body you know like you have a past life although you dont remember it

[Waiting]

do u mean - rencarnated?

[roxy4sixty9]

yeah that word thanks patch

[grass]

i believe wen u die u fade in2 a constant dream like state

[trixR4kidz]

Im a christian and i dont think u all relize believing in God is different from a religion. Sure u can believe their is a God but what about Jesus dying on the cross. That is what seperates religions. So yes, I believe in God but I also believe in Jesus dying on the cross to save our sins. To accept that is the only way of going to heaven and avoid going to hell. There is no inbetween a.i- being maggot food. The sad thing is, no one knows untill they die of the Lord comes to Earth. You can't die then tell your friends who are still alive or anything. Its all about believing.

Halleighulia, Amen, Have mercy, The end.

(that last part was a joke incase u didnt get that) :-P

[Daemoniis]

Dfsg,

So, other people have said that there are too many holes in the Bible. This is completely not true. Look at the some 300 prophesies about Jesus's birth, life, and resurection. Every single one of them came true. 33 prophesies were made based on his birth, and for each one of them to come true, it was a 1:1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion) possibility.
Really? Name me one fulfilled prophecy about Jesus.

[TheWizard]

Show me proof jesus ever lived. Only one mention of him in history (the bible) and that was written a 100 years after he died.


Don't you think there would have been many mentions of a man who rose from the dead and cured people. He couldn't even save his own life.

[trixR4kidz]

Show me proof jesus ever lived. Only one mention of him in history (the bible) and that was written a 100 years after he died.


Don't you think there would have been many mentions of a man who rose from the dead and cured people. He couldn't even save his own life.

Not tru, u obviously dont know much about the biblical stuff. Archiolagists(sorry if spelt wrong) have proff that a man named Jesus lived and went to the places he did in tht time. The part you have to believe urself is the miracles. ANd im pretty sure the letters (books of the bible) was writin pretty close as it happend...but that part im not sure.

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

i think its wrong to call this post jesus...im jewish and i believe in god but i dont believe the stuff bout jesus...if the post is gunna be cause do you believe in god than make it that...it the question do u believe jesus is the son of god....than its the right title but i definatly think its the wrong title

[trixR4kidz]

yea really, God and Jesus are way different exspecially in religions. illegalsk8ing, what do jewish people believe along the lines of Jesus? A.i-Do u believe he existed and all taht jazz?

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

ohh he existed....he was jewish....his last meal was passover...just we believe that who is this random guy who jsut happened to be really nice and cool....is crucified (which a lot of people were back then) and people find him special and say hes the son of god...of somone did that today they would be like...phhht look a this loser thinking hes the son of god..
Im sure jesus was a cool guy and i have nothing against him...but i dont believe he was what people say he was

[trixR4kidz]

yea, thats kool i guess for u. Not my religion or NEthing but OK. The jewish bible doesnt have the new testiment right?

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

correct....we only have the old testimate which u have too but u also have the new one which we dont believe in

[trixR4kidz]

tiz what i thought. i no itz not ur religion but ur missing out...the new testiment is kool and alot more interesting

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

naw....i dont even read the bible....just some stroies are cool in the old testimate like leasing the jews out of egypt (parting of the "SEA OF READS" not the dead sea.....bad translation from hebrew to english)

[SexyMermaidLady]

I believe in god, but I'm still trying to discover what religion I
really want to be. Really, I don't think people should have religions if it causes them to fight amongst eachother.

[blackrose666]

This is a stupid debate because i'm a Satanist better get goin lata. :twisted:

[Dfsg]

Show me proof jesus ever lived. Only one mention of him in history (the bible) and that was written a 100 years after he died.


Don't you think there would have been many mentions of a man who rose from the dead and cured people. He couldn't even save his own life.

There sure are many written texts appart from the Bible that talk about jesus. The Gnostic gospels talk about him (despite having a different viewpoint on the whole situation) as well as many genealogies including him.

As for prophesies about his life, he was profesied to be born in the house of Jesse, in the family of King David, to a Virgin, in a Manger, in the town of Bethlehem. It was prophesied that he would die on a cross, and raise from the dead in three days. There are hundreds of them- and they all came true. Coinsidence, or proof that He existed?

[boognish]

but who prophisised it? wasnt it the guys that wrote the bible that said all those things? maybe there was now jesus but ppl that made a religion, oh and did you notice almost all of the religious leaders were introdused at the same time? also all of the religions have basicaly the same bible. and also if the pope can speak directly to god, why did he go on the crusades and do exactly what hitler tryed to do? also i expect his body to still be there, and of course other writings about hinm made in the time he was alive. and why did he come then? nothing big was happening, if god is really out there and is watching over us, why doesnt he stop evil dictartors? if you pray to god, to help you win the lottery good luck. god could care less about you. also i got a problem with that whole virgin mary thing, i highly doubt that any married couple would refrain from having sex throughout there lives. and also nowadays because of how messed up its got, if someone tried to tell a married couple they were to have the child of god, the husband would pull out his shotgun and blow his head off! i believe there is a god, but no divine creation of his. also that god is not a person. he is a thing, everything, you cant talk to him, have ask him to save you, help you, anything. god does not care about you, me, anyone. also if its true it all started with adem and eve then how were they able to tlak? its been proven that no writen or spoken language was persent for thousands of years after humans came into existance. as i believe it the uneverse was blank, nothing, then a sound, a sngle wave came through, and thus that disturbance created the world, and do you know what that one wave was? god. now why was there a wave? you tell me, also tell me why i am wrong, tell me why there is now proof that jesus did not appear in nonformal writings until after 100 years of his death. and i'll tell you how that is just bull, religious banter, and that even evoplution of the dinosaurs and geoledgy aslo prooves that the bible was wrong. but what i want to see is solid proof that jesus is real. teach me the way jesus was supposed to.

[Dfsg]

Well, you still can't give me any proof against him, and in the legal system, lack of proof doesn't qualify as proof against an idea.

All us Christians have our faith, because we know that Jesus loves us (he loves you too) and we want that love, and love him back. And through his grace, we are forgiven of our sins, and have a place in heaven.

I know you can choose whether to accept the grace or not, but it is always there, and at any time during your life, you can accept Him and let Him into your heart.

That is all the proof I need.

[boognish]

thats why i dont believe, there is much proof that he is did not exist, frankly the lack of proof he that he existed is proof that he did not exist and also i dont believe because that is the reason you said right there, some fat bald guy says somthing and you make it your way of life, you blindly follow somone that claims to know more than you, hmmm who did that to, oh just about every man that tryies to become a leader...why? because we are humans even the faithfulist of chrticians want all the power they can get, the pope is a prime example, now like hundreds of years ago, the pope could say somthing and then its gold, no questions asked, and that is not how i want to live my life.

[Dfsg]

There are a lot of statements that can come into question from the three previous posts. I'll answer some of them. First, the big question "Why does God let bad things happen" or, "Why do bad things happen to good people".

This is a matter of choices people make in their lives. You can not mess with the free will of others, and God will not mess with free will either. If Mao Zedong (who was much worse than Hitler) decided to kill 100 million people, that was his own terrible free will. God is all powerful, but he has given us the power of free will, and that is why sin exists, and that is why bad things do happen. Would you want God to take free will away from you?

Now, asking God about selfish things, such as winning the lottery. Yes, God answers every prayer to win the lottery. He just answers "no" to most of them. Why would God want to endulge your selfish desires? That selfishness comes from the Devil.

Also, about you doubting that a married couple could refrain from sex, it's not hard. They hadn't been a couple for a long while. You can't say that everyone is as taken by sex as you might be. It used to be a much different thing, with more rules and regulations guarding it.

Also, you claim that no writings mention Jesus until the 130's AD. However, the words of John Mark talk about Jesus possibly around the 50s AD. There are other writings, especially genealogies, that were completed with his name at the time of his birth. Those records are still available today.

You want to see solid proof that Jesus is real, but I refer you to the memorable seen between Jesus and Thomas. 10 of the 11 are worshiping together (after the resurection), and Jesus reveals himself to them. Thomas is not there (as well as Judas the Iscariot, but he was dead), and doubts that Jesus actually did appear, and needed proof that he was resurected. Jesus appeared and told him to put his finger in his hands, and put his hand into his side. Then Jesus said "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed". Jesus knew it would be hard for many people to believe, but he knew that there would be many who would find his grace without using their sense of sight.

And to one more point brought up, three men writing the Bible? I can name Abraham, David, Solomon, James (brother of Jesus), Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, and Isaiah off the top of my head. There is also Moses, Elezar (son of Aaron), Joshua, Nathan, Gad, Samuel, Ezra, Nehamiah (my favorite prophet), King Lemuel, Agur son of Jakeh, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea, Amos... The list continues. Many of them wrote the books bearing their names, and many contributed to portions of one book. They all have evidence to support their writing a piece of the Bible.

Now, there is a bit of Pope bashing on here. One: The Pope is only a Catholic, and does not represent many Christians (such as myself). Two: The Pope does speak directly to God, but so can everyone else.

I hate arguing all the specifics about my religion. Yes, I do know them, and I do have proof of events in the Bible, and the such, but it doesn't help anyone. Does it bring you closer to Jesus? No. Maybe some day you will come to need Jesus Christ. He'll always be there for you. Maybe His grace alone is what can bring you closer to Him.

God Bless all of you- even if you don't want a blessing.

[TheWizard]

lol

I find your argument full of claims but no proof. Jesus didn't exist. Where are the evidence you speak of in other writings (not the bible)?

[Dfsg]

He is mentioned twice in The Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus in A.D. 94. The death of James, the brother of Jesus, and John the Baptist are also mentioned.

He is also mentioned by the following historians/writers:
Cornelius Tacitus, Governor of Asia, in A.D. 112.
Seutonius, Roman historian, in A.D. 125
Pliny the Younger, Governor of Bithynia (Turkey) in A.D. 112
Lucian of Samosata in the 2nd century A.D.
A Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion in a letter to his son, comparing Jesus with Socrates and Pythagoras.
In 215 A.D. Julius Africanus recorded the writing of a historian named Thallus who wrote in A.D. 52. Thallus recorded the supernatural darkness which came upon the earth at Passover in A.D. 32. Many have dismissed this darkness as an eclipse, but a normal eclipse cannot occur during a full moon, and Passover takes place during the full moon. Phlegon from Lydia wrote in @138 A.D. about this darkness and when it occurred. Tertullian wrote that the event was recorded in the Roman archives and that the record could still be consulted in his day.
In A.D. 325, Eusebius quotes Hegesippus, about an interview with the descendants of the brothers and sisters of Jesus @A.D. 81-96.
Jesus and some of his disciples are referred to in the Jewish Talmud.

Are those enough references? There are more if you'd like them.

[TheWizard]

And none of these so called references were writen during his life time.

[Dfsg]

Generally when people write histories, they write them after the fact. Just because my history book was written in 1998 doesn't mean that everything that happened beforehand isn't true. Many of the writers were alive to be around during His death. There also weren't many Christians yet, and His impact on the world wasn't fully relealized yet. Remember- there were only 5000 Christians when Peter first tried to establish a church after the resurection.

Do you think Peter and Paul's words spurred on a Secular writer, such as those listed above, to write about Jesus? A secular writer doesn't write about religion, and is a factual as can be without bias- why would they write about Jesus unless he was truely around?

But that's sill not proof enough for you, so how about this- The Secular Historian Seneca was born about three years before Jesus. He was alive for every event in Jesus's life, and lived 30 years longer, to see the early church form. He makes a reference to Jesus as well. So, dispute this one.

[Dfsg]

Yay! I found more. You've inspired me to do some good religious study!

The Livy Roman History was compiled between 59BC and 17 AD and included 20 manuscripts on that timeperiod. It includes Jesus.

There are several other Roman Histories that paralell the Biblical histories.

[TheWizard]

Show me proof. Show the qoutes you speak of. Lets see exactly what they said about Jesus.

I dare you to present some evidence that he ever lived other than rumors and common camp fire stories.

Show me the page and paragrah numbers. Surely this would not be a problem if your statements are true. :)

[Dfsg]

Lets turn the tables.

You show me proof that these documents and these historians do not mention Jesus. Have fun reading Livy's writings. They are kinda long (more than 120 books). Look through Seneca's works, and even take a look at the authors that have writen only a few years after the resurection (they are still primary sources of the day, the most reliable type of history) Josephus was born in Jerusalem only four years after the resurection, and he was commissioned by Rome to write a history of the Jews in the area, and he writes much stuff about Jesus. I'll give you a place to start: Antiquities, Book 18, ch. 3. But I've given you more than enough.

You first said there were no documents outside the Bible that mention Jesus. I found many. You then said that there were no documents from the time of Christ, I found some. You've put rediculous rules on what constitutes proof, but I can still bring some to the table. Going back 2000 years for anything is a tough task for any historian, but it has been done, and Jesus was there.

It's time for you to do more work than use your speculation as "proof". As we have seen, you were wrong twice because you used speculation.

[teenboy9]

Well both of you are getting confused about two types of books, your text book gets it information from other books that then get their information from first source books. Many religious writings are first source books, being generally written by the same people that form the religion. But historically there is no reason to say Jesus did not live, but the question you are really asking is not did Jesus live, but was Jesus the Son of God. Once you have brought the conversation out to this branch it stops being one of fact and becomes one of faith. This is something you cannot fairly argue.

[Dfsg]

Quite true. I'm glad that you agree that Jesus exsisted historically.

And it is a big faith question on if he is indeed the son of God.

[Dfsg]

Well, I would be happy to be blessed, and even though you may not want it, a blessing is aways a good thing, So God Bless you, every day!

[Anonymous]

Have you ever thought about why everyone (or at least everyone) in the bible was white? What if the bible was written by an African in the Congo? Would it be different? And what if jesus was a woman, what if he was an African woman?

[Dfsg]

Well, Jesus was born a male, and born in Israel. He only briefly was in Africa. If an African wrote parts of the Bible, they would have to wait for God to inspire them somehow about Christ, or some other divine vision. However, no one from Africa did write the Bible.

Also, no where does it say that everyone in the Bible was white- there were lots of races :)

[Anonymous]

Well I don't know much about races in the bible, but what you said about Africans writing the bible made me think. The reason why they didn't think about jesus was maybe because Africans did not need your god to inspire them, they were looking on your gods. To them, your god was false and theirs were true. It all depends on who you are and how you look at it. The Africans didn't need your god because they had their own gods.

[Dfsg]

Well, I'm glad that Africa has a very good missionary program. There are lots of people converting every day. I'm glad to know that millions of souls are being saved, while missionaries work to make conditions better, and save lives as well as souls.

[Anonymous]

That's what I hate about Africa, it's missionaries taking away the African beliefs and traditions. I'm sorry, but I'm offended when it comes to people interrupting others to change their lives about religion. You never know what happens after you die until you die, and I really don't believe changing religion will help.
Africans don't need to be saved, neither do non-christians.

[Dfsg]

Well, lots of people, when converted, feel such a power. A power of God that touches them, and writes their name in the book of life. I've never met a Christian that had such a converson who later turned their back on God.

I'm glad that missionaries are giving the opportunity of Christianity to everyone. Everyone has the ability to be forgiven of all sins, and spend eternity with the Father.

And what is wrong with getting rid of some of the old African beliefs? It is those beliefs that have ruined the African people. In Parts of Africa, 1 in 5 people in the population has AIDS. One particular ritual says that if you have AIDS and have sex with a virgin, you will be ridden of the disease. But we know what happens to that virgin- she'll get AIDS too, and no one is cured. We know their pagan rituals have done nothing but put their people in a devistating world.

Communities that have become Christian are cleaner, AIDS is down, people live longer, gain more economic freedom, and best of all, they have something to live for.

[grass]

Christians dont feel (the touch of God) in my opinion its the unity of the group that changes thier lives, the feeling that they are part of sumthing bigger than themselves and there is also a sense of security that comes with this. I also hav a question do christians lie awake at night worrying if they are gonna get in2 heaven or not ?

[Dfsg]

Well, you are making an assumption there about how Christians feel, when you aren't one. We do feel the touch of God. Yes, we love the unity between Christians, but there are countless stories of people being separated from their Christian family by war or ostracism, and they latch on to their relationship with God, and that is what pulls them through their troublesome time.

And no, I don't lie awake at night worrying about heaven. I already know I'm going there, so why should I worry?

[Anonymous]

I'm so sorry to offend anyone, but has anyone thought of the world as not relating to religion? Like a world that is just there, a life that is just there?
I'm not talking about AID in Africa, I'm talking about their pagan traditions. How would YOU like it, if people from another country came into yours and tried to "fix" it, taking away your beliefs, traditions and values? I can tell why there is so much revolt in Africa...
What Africa needs is an accurate security system, and anotehr one for growing food and crops, a stable educational plan, and things like that which make civilizations grow into much bigger and better things. Why take away the identity of the Africans???

[Dfsg]

Missionaries do try to create a stable education plan, and plans for growing crops, and plans for security.

You can't blame the bad stuff in Africa on a revolt against Christianity. The biggest revolts are in Islamic and Pagan areas of Africa.

Christians work to stop this, and to build up the economy and independance of Africans. Any places they work with end up healthier, with more money, and more of a purpose.

[Shaolin]

Also- there was a reference to the burning bush. How would Moses be Schizophrenic? He put his hand in the bush, and he didn't burn. Does his "schizophrenia" control the burning properties of fire? I think not- that takes the devine.

Well, as you can tell, I'm a very faithful Christian, and you'll never take that away from me!

Because if the fire was a hallucination of course his hand wouldn't get burnt, the fire wasn't real in the first place.

[Dfsg]

So later his Schizophrenia created two stone tablets on Mount Sinai, where he survived for weeks on end without water or food.

And his Schizophrenia parted the Red Sea in front of all the Hebrews and a large Egyptian army.

And his Schizophrenia made manna appear in the desert, which was the only food the Hebrews ate.

And his Schizophrenia shrowded the mountain for while he was in the presence of God.

And his Schizophrenia created a large clowd and a large pillar of fire that guided the Hebrews through the Desert.

Unless all the Hebrews were schizophrenic and having the same schizophrenic episodes, Moses couldn't have had all his visions and stuff just because of Schizophrenia. It was devine.

[Anonymous]

I'm ashamed that missionaries try to fix everything in Africa... And yeah there's a lot more revolt in Africa, revolt of every kind. I am so mad, because I meet these people who think God is the answer to everything, and then try to "save" people with "their" religion. I think knowledge can save you, just pure knowledge. And no, not "religious" knowledge, I'm talking about the knowledge that makes you just know about the life around you, why you're here, and what you've came here to do. If christianity helps you, then go for it. In some cases I don't think christianity is the right thing.

[Dfsg]

Alright, your idea is that Knowledge is what saves you. So now you are completely right, and you try to impose your ideas on everyone else and you are a wonderful person. However, Christianity, which has fixed problems, tries to impose it's ideas, and it's a terrible thing. Sounds hypocritical.

You can't doubt that no group has tried to better Africa more than the Christian Church.

[Anonymous]

I don't think any religion is correct. That's why I don't believe in any of them. It's ok to speak up for what you believe in, just as you are doing with your religion. I just HATE religion, no offense to yours or anyone elses. If people think they have the right to shove religion in each other's faces, (not that you aren't) then I at least have the right to show people how I feel about it.

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah I f'got to say that there is no "right" in life, it's just there. But that's my opinion take it as you want. And I don't impose my ideas on others, it's the others who impose their ideas on me.

[just mwa]

yeah i beleive in him. I get curious sometimes i i am just beleiving in him, to have something to beleive him, but sometimes i just feel him <<<lol, cheesey! :P

[Anonymous]

I am a christian but i am going to go to a verse in the Old Testement.

Genesis Chapter one

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it devide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament fro mthe waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

there forth explaining the beging of time. and i think that that its self gives us a reason to belive in god.

The bible is a standard of Life and God. it gives us many reasons to belive in god and it explains many questions. there are many people who do and dont belive in god.

Heres a question for those who dont belive in god

If you dont belive in god then how did we come about? how did life forms sprout?

~Sammi~

[Shaolin]

So later his Schizophrenia created two stone tablets on Mount Sinai, where he survived for weeks on end without water or food.

And his Schizophrenia parted the Red Sea in front of all the Hebrews and a large Egyptian army.

And his Schizophrenia made manna appear in the desert, which was the only food the Hebrews ate.

And his Schizophrenia shrowded the mountain for while he was in the presence of God.

And his Schizophrenia created a large clowd and a large pillar of fire that guided the Hebrews through the Desert.

Unless all the Hebrews were schizophrenic and having the same schizophrenic episodes, Moses couldn't have had all his visions and stuff just because of Schizophrenia. It was devine.

I wasn't trying to say mosus was sz, i just personally believe its more logical he was that than the son of good who had all these amazing abilities. You know anything is possible if your hallucinating, he probably wasn't scizophrenic, but what do you think happens when you are in the desert and deprived of resources?

Simple fact, if i took a walk in the Sahara desert, and i didn't pack enough water, i might start hallucinating, and thats very common in those situations, it would be quite plausible that a man wrote a book about these 'godly' experiances, because no one understood what a hallucination was at that time, it's strange that seas don't get parted these days, and that it doesn't rain frogs, or rivers turn to blood.

God wants me to goto hell for not believing in him? Im gonna sue him for blackmail and damages. (heh no offense to any christians)

[Whisper]

I agree with Shaolin.

[Shaolin]

Indeed.

Also i have no qualms with anyone wanting to believe in christianity, it promotes alot of good values, but sometimes people can become really blind by their use of the bible (ie using it to justify anything, even killing)

I think though, the majority of Christians are good willed people, and no one should be restricted of their beliefs, but over here in England, we have a BNP leader (British National Party aka a bunch of racists) who was recently caught on tape in secret saying how Islam was created by "rape", and he said if you gave him a good hour or something, he could prove it from the Koran that it was a *insert insulting text here* religion. What is wrong with that is, he is in support of white christian Britain, Christianity has caused just as many, if not more problems than Islam.

[Dfsg]

Well, I certanly am happy there is no government mandated religion in the US.

[Shaolin]

Well, I certanly am happy there is no government mandated religion in the US.

There is no such thing in Britain either? I was talking about the BNP, a generally racist party who was gaining support, and got shot down fast by our liberal newspapers with their secret agents.

[Whisper]

Ah canada has two partys like that their called the Block and the Liberals, all they care about is Qubec, Qubec this, Qubec that, it's pathedic.

[Dfsg]

Qubec... too much conflict with them...

[Anonymous]

Well, I certanly am happy there is no government mandated religion in the US.

There is no government mandated religion in the USA because the people in the US know our power verses the Government. Alot of us know that if we stand as a group the government cant stop us know matter how much they kill, lock up, or even try.

[Shaolin]

They also know that pretty much every family in America has a gun.

Over here we get stuff like flower bombs thrown at the primeminister. :lol:

[Waiting]

hehehehe, make john presscott punch people

[vito22andolini]

Hell no XD for me , beeing religious is like beliving that the earth isnt round , it doenst make any sense , how can you belive in something that nothing proves its existance ? and especialy folow its damn stupid rules.

[vito22andolini]

Ah canada has two partys like that their called the Block and the Liberals, all they care about is Qubec, Qubec this, Qubec that, it's pathedic.

First off sorry about the double post

second , FU** YOU YOU RETARDED BASTARD IM FROM QUEBEC DUMBASS AND YOU COULD JUST LEARN HOW TO SPELL THAT DAMN NAME YOU STUPID SHITHEAD

[Maverick]

This thread is 5 years old no need to bump this and be rude.