Newfoundland & Labrador Federal Economic Compensation

[Neverender]

Vivre la Bloc Québécois. Nous sommes les Québécois. Nous sommes différents, et Nous sommes fort! Heureusement!!

the literal translation of that is: Live Block of Quebec. We are the Natives of Quebec. We differ, and We are extremely! Happily!!


i don't like the bloc quebecois myself. i like the NDP. isn't it the bloc quebecois who wants to amalgamate labrador and then split off of canada?

[Φρανκομβριτ]

the literal translation of that is: Live Block of Quebec. We are the Natives of Quebec. We differ, and We are extremely! Happily!!


i don't like the bloc quebecois myself. i like the NDP. isn't it the bloc quebecois who wants to amalgamate labrador and then split off of canada?

The translation that would be more understandable is:
Long Live the Bloc. We are the Québécois. We're different, and we're proud!


No one likes the Bloc unless they live in Québec. The common misconception is Le bloc Québécois is a sepratist party, which they are not in fact. They are soley a party running for the better Québec. Better treatment, better everything. They SUPPORT seperation, however there is a SEPERATE party for the sepratists. I believe that would be the party you are thinking of.

[Neverender]

well quebec's already getting a much better deal than most other provinces. soon it;ll be like this: the biggest blizzard of the decade hits sasketchewan, ottawa says "don't worry. the cheque is already in the mail to quebec."

[Whisper]

Saskatchewan like Alberta needs no federal help
There expected to boom hotter than Alberta this year

well quebec's already getting a much better deal than most other provinces. soon it;ll be like this: the biggest blizzard of the decade hits sasketchewan, ottawa says "don't worry. the cheque is already in the mail to quebec."
Dude...

"The Newfoundland and Labrador government says as many as 10,000 people may be travelling for work out west, working for companies like Syncrude, Suncor and Flint Energy.
With local trades union estimating that 4,000 of its members are commuting to and from Alberta, conservative estimates peg the amount of money flowing to scores of Newfoundland and Labrador communities in the hundreds of millions of dollars."


Alberta gives you enough money
If memory serves me right you yourself are now living on the BC Alberta boarder

[Φρανκομβριτ]

newfoundland and labrador takes the same, if not more money from the west than Québec. I think you should check your facts before you make statements like that.

I have lived in Ontario, Québec and Alberta now, and yes, the west gives a lot to the east, but thats what a country is about

[Neverender]

Saskatchewan like Alberta needs no federal help
There expected to boom hotter than Alberta this year


Dude...

"The Newfoundland and Labrador government says as many as 10,000 people may be travelling for work out west, working for companies like Syncrude, Suncor and Flint Energy.
With local trades union estimating that 4,000 of its members are commuting to and from Alberta, conservative estimates peg the amount of money flowing to scores of Newfoundland and Labrador communities in the hundreds of millions of dollars."


Alberta gives you enough money
If memory serves me right you yourself are now living on the BC Alberta boarder


i was only using Sasketchewan as an example.

not everybody goes to alberta to work. some people who have jobs here arent bein payed much money. a doctor is somthing like $17 an hour.

i do live on the BC alberta border right now, but i go back and forth between home and BC. i'd be happy with our own fishing rights back. Parlament gave us $2 billion over the first 20 years of confederation. more then any other province. most of this money was used to pave the TCH. the rest was used in things like the fishery, etc. then the fishery began to collapse, no help from the norwegian trawlers going into canadian waters, and they set up a moratorium. we're feeding kraft dinner to the gulls now.

why dosn't parlament give us any money anymore. even in the central communities, Grand falls-windsor, Lewisporte, Gander, Deer lake, Gambo, where there are jobs, theres no money from them. $30,000/year is the average in central nfld, and in the Cities like Corner Brook, Mount Pearl, Conception Bay South, St. John's are getting money, but not like you get in alberta. i think parlament should give money to each province varying by population. it'd be insane to give Nunavut $10 Billion with a population of 26,000, everyone with a job would be making insane amounts of money, but only give $300 million to a province like Newfoundland with 500,000 people, it'd only send wages up a few cents because they're still trying to fix the fishery. (take em the rest of the week, i'd say)

also, i can see this thread end up in the ramblings of the wise forum, this has turned into a debate.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

The government doesn't just give you money anymore because A) they don't have it and B) No offence, but there are more pressing issues right now. I understand both sides of the money battle between east and west being virtually on the BC Alberta border myself, but frankly, most money made now stays in the province its made in, and therefore the federal government doesnt just have money to give you guys. It's not just you guys either, it's Ontario, Québec, and I'm sure other places too.

[Whisper]

i was only using Sasketchewan as an example.

not everybody goes to alberta to work. some people who have jobs here arent bein payed much money. a doctor is somthing like $17 an hour.

i do live on the BC alberta border right now, but i go back and forth between home and BC. i'd be happy with our own fishing rights back. Parlament gave us $2 billion over the first 20 years of confederation. more then any other province. most of this money was used to pave the TCH. the rest was used in things like the fishery, etc. then the fishery began to collapse, no help from the norwegian trawlers going into canadian waters, and they set up a moratorium. we're feeding kraft dinner to the gulls now.

why dosn't parlament give us any money anymore. even in the central communities, Grand falls-windsor, Lewisporte, Gander, Deer lake, Gambo, where there are jobs, theres no money from them. $30,000/year is the average in central nfld, and in the Cities like Corner Brook, Mount Pearl, Conception Bay South, St. John's are getting money, but not like you get in alberta. i think parlament should give money to each province varying by population. it'd be insane to give Nunavut $10 Billion with a population of 26,000, everyone with a job would be making insane amounts of money, but only give $300 million to a province like Newfoundland with 500,000 people, it'd only send wages up a few cents because they're still trying to fix the fishery. (take em the rest of the week, i'd say)

also, i can see this thread end up in the ramblings of the wise forum, this has turned into a debate.

Dude spending by population? you'd get like nothing
you may have 500thousand but Alberta alone has 3.5million, B.C 4.5million, Ontario 12.8, Quebec 7.7


Dude Pierre Elliot Trudeau TOOK tens of billions in cash from Alberta overnight with his energy plan and gave it to Central and Atlantic Canada
Nunavut, NWT and the Yukon get funding because there territory's and they NEED IT they don't have the infrastructure as a result they have allot less rights and privileges in Canada because there not provinces

Alberta is the heart of Canada's economy
Our prosperity has poured over into British Columbia, Saskatchewan ANNND Newfoundland & Labrador
Like I have said countless times the west takes care of itself
Why? because we have the money and honestly don't need help or pity
Quebec is trying to hold onto a completely independent and important culture and way of life while being RIGHT next to the United States aka 300million people/ super power and the rest of Canada which for the most part all speak English. Outside of Quebec Alberta has the highest francophone population. I bug Rudi constantly about Quebec and I slam them cause its fun and a tradition but I have no problem with them getting help even if the Bloc always seem ungrateful and arrogant

Atlantic Canada does NOT need money your own provincial government needs to set up plans to encourage entrepreneurs, you need to find a way to sustain an economy. (you're getting the money for that right now from Alberta)
Not constantly living off hand outs
Like Nova Scotia is starting to get on its feet with off shore drilling
Saskatchewan was in dire shape now there slowly starting to tap into the small amount of oil n gas they have and they have the largest uranium mines
If you've taken all the fish
Then find something else
like everyone else had to
British Columbia was in rough shape for awhile because fishing was down, Atlantic salmon fish farms do allot of damage and the forestry was in trouble
there coming out of it

Doctors make a HELL of allot more than 17$ an hour even in tiny towns
17 is like starting wadge in GP even higher in most cases

Alberta has more money just sitting that any province, territory, State in North America over 75 billion in a heritage fund for a rainy day where it will STAY until we decide to spend it like a few yrs ago we handed BC 1billion cash for the pine beetle



To answer your earlier question no they don't want to take Labrador and leave
in 1995 when Quebec had its last referendum that they lost by the hair of there ass the native elders stated clearly that northern Quebec which is all under native land claim would NOT be joining them they were happy in Canada
so the Quebec that would leave would actually have been a narrow southern strip
they weren't happy about that...HA


and I agree with moving this
i'll split it

[Φρανκομβριτ]

and this will be the last question i will ask in this thread. why does quebec say they owns the churchill falls, and therefore all energy revenues should go to them?

for the same principal Russia and Denmark want the northern waters of Canada. It's all about money! If you had an acre of land, and there was oil on the border of your acre and another guys, are you going to let him take the money?

[CaptainObvious]

Provincial equalization is a horrible, horrible thing. I very much understand and sympathize with the fact that when hard economic times hit, some regions get hit harder than others. And there should be some help for retraining, and relocation is necessary, so that people can continue working. But the equalization program as it exists incentivizes people to stay in unproductive jobs in unproductive areas. I may sound heartless, but if there's no jobs where you are, go somewhere else. Alberta, for example.

Provinces should get equalization so that they can provide an adequate level of basic services. Nothing more, because that is a misallocation of Canada's resources.

Also, Quebec gets way too much money and time. I may sound like an asshole, but I think we should let Quebec leave. Make them repay their share of the national debt, and bye bye. When the province collapses for lack of a viable economic base, we can take Quebec back and split it up between Ontario, Newfoundland & Labrador, Manitoba and Nunavut.

I respect the French heritage very, very much, and it must be protected. But these days, Quebec spends more time trying to protect its status as the biggest suck on the federal teat, rather than any particular heritage, imo.

[Neverender]

Dude spending by population? you'd get like nothing
you may have 500thousand but Alberta alone has 3.5million, B.C 4.5million, Ontario 12.8, Quebec 7.7


Dude Pierre Elliot Trudeau TOOK tens of billions in cash from Alberta overnight with his energy plan and gave it to Central and Atlantic Canada
Nunavut, NWT and the Yukon get funding because there territory's and they NEED IT they don't have the infrastructure as a result they have allot less rights and privileges in Canada because there not provinces

Alberta is the heart of Canada's economy
Our prosperity has poured over into British Columbia, Saskatchewan ANNND Newfoundland & Labrador
Like I have said countless times the west takes care of itself
Why? because we have the money and honestly don't need help or pity
Quebec is trying to hold onto a completely independent and important culture and way of life while being RIGHT next to the United States aka 300million people/ super power and the rest of Canada which for the most part all speak English. Outside of Quebec Alberta has the highest francophone population. I bug Rudi constantly about Quebec and I slam them cause its fun and a tradition but I have no problem with them getting help even if the Bloc always seem ungrateful and arrogant

Atlantic Canada does NOT need money your own provincial government needs to set up plans to encourage entrepreneurs, you need to find a way to sustain an economy. (you're getting the money for that right now from Alberta)
Not constantly living off hand outs
Like Nova Scotia is starting to get on its feet with off shore drilling
Saskatchewan was in dire shape now there slowly starting to tap into the small amount of oil n gas they have and they have the largest uranium mines
If you've taken all the fish
Then find something else
like everyone else had to
British Columbia was in rough shape for awhile because fishing was down, Atlantic salmon fish farms do allot of damage and the forestry was in trouble
there coming out of it

Doctors make a HELL of allot more than 17$ an hour even in tiny towns
17 is like starting wadge in GP even higher in most cases

Alberta has more money just sitting that any province, territory, State in North America over 75 billion in a heritage fund for a rainy day where it will STAY until we decide to spend it like a few yrs ago we handed BC 1billion cash for the pine beetle



To answer your earlier question no they don't want to take Labrador and leave
in 1995 when Quebec had its last referendum that they lost by the hair of there ass the native elders stated clearly that northern Quebec which is all under native land claim would NOT be joining them they were happy in Canada
so the Quebec that would leave would actually have been a narrow southern strip
they weren't happy about that...HA


and I agree with moving this
i'll split it

we have the voiseys bay nickel mine. the duck pond gold mine. and if that damn Paul McCartney dosn't have his was with newfoundland, then we have the seal hunt. we have the hibernia oil rig now that we finally get 100% of our oil revenues. (at least the conservatives are good for somthing) and we'll get $10 billion or so over the next couple years.:)

but there is one other thing. The churchill falls power project. we don't get that. that would provide alot of good money for newfoundland, if quebec would let us have it.:mad:

and now i do remember that they would only get the narrow strip of the St. Lawrence river, and they would have no defense treaty with the us, no trade relations nothing. but i do know that they still arent happy over the newfoundland/canada border dispute 80 odd years ago. quebec wanted newfoundland to only have the coast of labrador, and 15 miles inland. but after a court trial, newfoundland got the big mainland chunk of labrador. but on some maps made in quebec, the border with labrador is still the one before the dispute was ended.

Provincial equalization is a horrible, horrible thing. I very much understand and sympathize with the fact that when hard economic times hit, some regions get hit harder than others. And there should be some help for retraining, and relocation is necessary, so that people can continue working. But the equalization program as it exists incentivizes people to stay in unproductive jobs in unproductive areas. I may sound heartless, but if there's no jobs where you are, go somewhere else. Alberta, for example.

Provinces should get equalization so that they can provide an adequate level of basic services. Nothing more, because that is a misallocation of Canada's resources.

Also, Quebec gets way too much money and time. I may sound like an asshole, but I think we should let Quebec leave. Make them repay their share of the national debt, and bye bye. When the province collapses for lack of a viable economic base, we can take Quebec back and split it up between Ontario, Newfoundland & Labrador, Manitoba and Nunavut.

I respect the French heritage very, very much, and it must be protected. But these days, Quebec spends more time trying to protect its status as the biggest suck on the federal teat, rather than any particular heritage, imo.

i agree with you fully!! but how would we split it up with manitoba? why not new brunswick, they get the gaspe peninsula, labrador gets that piece of quebec directly south of labrador and that island in the middle of the gulf of st. lawrence, ontairio gets montreal, and Nunavut gets all the innu communities in the north, or they could join the newest unofficial territory in canada, Nunaviasut, which is carved out of labrador. but there is one key factor with kicking them out, if they happen to sign a secret treaty with russia. then we notice that quebec is about to collapse under its own weight, and we work to reabsorb them, just like georgia and south ossetia, and then a war happens with russia. and because the US promised with the rest of the nato countries to come to canada's aid, a world war starts. then china and north korea comes in to help their fellow communists. and i wont go on because im rambling about somthing that is quite far into the future, and will likely never happen.

[Neverender]

Stephane Dion
would have been far superior

He would have been superior, but thats not saying much

for the same principal Russia and Denmark want the northern waters of Canada. It's all about money! If you had an acre of land, and there was oil on the border of your acre and another guys, are you going to let him take the money?

i see your point here, (is there any money in Greenland?) but churchill falls in smack dab in the middle of labrador. a couple hundred miles from quebec, but quebec takes the money. wtf?

[Φρανκομβριτ]

He would have been superior, but thats not saying much



i see your point here, but churchill falls in smack dab in the middle of labrador. a couple hundred miles from quebec

what does Churchill have to do with anything

[Neverender]

what does Churchill have to do with anything

it had nothing to do with the stephane dion thing.

but, i would like to know -for the 4th time-..

newfoundland owns the churchill falls power project and spent a couple billion dollars on developing it, but quebec says they should get the money because we have to send the energy through quebec to get the US, but quebec made a deal with ottawa(no suprise here) and for the next hundred years, quebec has all the money from the churchill falls power project.. why?

[Whisper]

Well that would be because I've yet to find anything about it
I've looked on Wikipedia and all through Google and ya
I find info about the river, the dam, etc...
But I can't find the info about the fight between Quebec and NFL

[CaptainObvious]

I said Manitoba just cause if Quebec left I'd want it as fractured as possible once it came back. :P

The basic problem is that Quebec will never leave, and everyone knows that. However, because there's so many votes in Quebec, no Prime Minister who ever expresses that fact could ever get a majority government (as we saw recently, even stuff like cutting arts funding probably sunk Harper's campaign for a majority via his losses in Quebec).

It's a bit of a shame that Quebec represents such an outrageously large and divergent block-voting interest group... frankly it's really a waste of the country's time.

[Whisper]

We have the bloc to thank for preventing Harper's majority
Even if Quebec left and all those seats were gone Harper still would have won a majority
the shitty NDP have severely fractured the left wing vote

but ya
off topic


So
bck about NFL please...

[Neverender]

Well that would be because I've yet to find anything about it
I've looked on Wikipedia and all through Google and ya
I find info about the river, the dam, etc...
But I can't find the info about the fight between Quebec and NFL

hmmm. i believe i have found the answer in the Book of Newfoundland. Volume 3. and in the Newfoundland Dictionary.


Due to a very corrupt deal between quebec and ottawa, newfoundland will be able to send energy through quebec to get to the united states, but for the next 100 years (1967) quebec will take all the energy from churchill and sell it to the US, all to their profit.