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Atonement
October 14th, 2008, 05:50 PM
(CNN) -- Public school officials in Chicago, Illinois, are recommending approval of a "gay-friendly" high school because harassment and violence are causing gay students to skip class and drop out at alarming rates.


School officials say the proposed school would offer a welcoming, harassment-free environment for gay students.

1 of 2 The School for Social Justice Pride Campus, which officials say will not be exclusive to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students, is aimed at being safe and welcoming for any student looking for another school option, said Josh Edelman, executive officer in the Chicago Public Schools' Office of New Schools.

"It is not going to be a 'gay high school,' but yes, in a way, it is meant to target kids who feel they have been victims of bullying for their sexual orientation or perceived orientation," Edelman said.

Chicago Public Schools CEO Arne Duncan announced his recommendation Wednesday. Officials said Pride Campus would be separate physically but be attached administratively to the School for Social Justice.

School officials said the standards and curriculum for the school would be in line with other schools in the district. The school would also offer counseling for students, though because of federal laws, officials cannot ask students about their sexual orientation. The curriculum would not rely on, but would incorporate lessons about, sexual identity in history and literature classes, officials said.

"It's about creating another option for kids," Edelman said. "When it comes down to it, though, it is all about having a choice and providing high-quality options for students, whether they are gay or not."

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Gay and lesbian students are three times more likely to miss school because they feel unsafe, according to a 2003 Chicago Public School District survey. And a study released Wednesday by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network showed similar trends across the country.

The national study, which the group says is the most comprehensive report ever on the experiences of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students nationwide, found that 86.2 percent of those students reported being verbally harassed, 44.1 percent physically harassed and 22.1 percent physically assaulted at school in the past year because of their sexual orientation.

This harassment, the study concludes, has affected students' ability to achieve success in school, causing their grade-point level to be, on average, half a point lower than that of heterosexual students nationwide.

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Dropout levels are higher among lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students because of more frequent truancy, the study found. Almost 32 percent of those students missed a class because of feeling unsafe, compared with only 5.5 percent of heterosexual students nationwide, the study said.

Truancy and lower grades aren't the only repercussions of anti-gay sentiments in schools, said Kevin Jennings, the founder and executive director of GLSEN. He cited the killing of Lawrence King, a 15-year-old student shot by a classmate in Oxnard, California, in February after King asked to be his valentine.

Jennings said the repercussions of harassment alone underscore the need for Pride Campus.

"If we keep doing nothing, we are going to keep getting these horrifying levels of harassment, greater rates of skipping, not going to college and more tragic violence like the murder of Lawrence King," he said. "Those are our choices. We can continue to do nothing, and we know the results, or we can save young people's lives and offer them an education and a future."

A similar school in New York, the Harvey Milk High School in the East Village, was created because of similar fears.

The school, which had been around since 1985, serving gay and lesbian students, expanded to a "gay-themed" school for 100 students in 2003. The Pride Campus is expected to serve 600 students, school officials said.

Harvey Milk High School, like the Pride Campus, is open to all students regardless of sexual orientation. But unlike the proposed school in Chicago, Harvey Milk requires its attendees to be at risk of dropping out because of harassment.

Harvey Milk boasts a graduation rate of 95 percent of its students -- all of whom were at risk of or had dropped out -- well above the city average of 52 percent.

When the school opened its doors, protesters, led by anti-gay Kansas minister Fred Phelps, screamed at supporters gathered outside to repent for their "sodomite behavior."

Edelman said that while some concerns have been raised about Pride Campus at community meetings, officials have not heard any large-scale opposition.

One Chicago resident said at a meeting that he could not support the school because of his religious beliefs, Edelman said. Others told local media they didn't support the use of public money to create the school. Some thought that if gay students went to the Pride Campus, students in other schools would not learn to accept the gay community. Instead, they suggested, the focus should be working toward acceptance in all schools.

"Absolutely, we should work for [acceptance] across the board," said Jennings, the GLSEN executive director. "But it's not going to change overnight, and in the meantime, these kids aren't going to graduate."

Jennings said that GLSEN research shows acceptance among peers is helped by having a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender support group at school.

The most important factor, according to the GLSEN study, is the existence of a state law that protects students from harassment based on their sexual orientation.

Thirty-nine states, including Illinois and New York, do not have laws offering that specific protection, Jennings said citing the GLSEN study. Some have laws, but they don't specify on what basis the protections apply, which Jennings said was essentially as effective as having no law at all. California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin are the only states with specific sexual orientation protections for students.

The Chicago School Board will vote October 22 to approve the School for Social Justice Pride Campus in addition to 17 other proposed schools.


As far as Jennings is concerned, the school board's choice is an easy one.

"The choice they are making is not should we have this kind of school," he said. "The question is 'Are we going to do anything we can to get these kids an education?' And there's only one right answer -- yes."

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I know I would go if I could. What are your thoughts?

Attax
October 14th, 2008, 06:16 PM
I personally feel that it has a good side and a negative side.

Positive: It will allow for the betterment of education and such for the students who don't feel safe in their current situation

Furthermore

I feel like it would allow for equal education.


But on the negative side it kind of shows those who are torturing these people just because of their sexuality that if they do it enough they will not have to put up with it as much. As well as the fact that if we seperate into different schools it will definitely hurt the future of sexual equality. That it says "look here are some differences and lets make these people different because of it"

Just my own input on it, personally I would like them, especially down here in the south it would help more people to be willing to come out so that they don't fear being tormented.

ShatteredWings
October 14th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Intersting.

I don't think it's the *best* idea, because, especially for collleges, if they know it's a "gay" highschool, people might judge on that alone. Technally i don't think their supposed to, buut that wouldnt' stop more conservative colleges

Antares
October 14th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Hell no.
They need to teach acceptance of people that are difference, not separate them. That will make times worse.

The Resurrected One
October 14th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Hell no.
They need to teach acceptance of people that are difference, not separate them. That will make times worse.

Yeah. But if more gay people go into a school, that's good. They wouldn't feel that isolated.


And why the fucking hell did Fred Phelps become part of this? Why doesn't he just die already!

Atonement
October 14th, 2008, 06:51 PM
I don't think we can cahnge others and make them more accepting. Why do people come to VT? It is a safe and unharassing enviroment as life should be. Especially in anm learning enviroment.

The Resurrected One
October 14th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Yeah. People in my class are supportive of me.

Thinking about those stories I've heard of homosexuality and Catholic Schools still piss me off. How much more unsupportive can you get, than complain to the principle that people are insulting you for being gay, and the principle just goes off saying "Homosexuality is a sin", and outing you to your parents.

Oblivion
October 14th, 2008, 07:12 PM
girl;375299']Intersting.

I don't think it's the *best* idea, because, especially for collleges, if they know it's a "gay" highschool, people might judge on that alone. Technally i don't think their supposed to, buut that wouldnt' stop more conservative colleges

That's illegal ;)
Colleges can't accept or reject you based on your sexuality

Anyways, I don't think its a good idea
Its like moving closer to segregation, instead of making everyone equal.

ShatteredWings
October 14th, 2008, 07:19 PM
That's illegal ;)
Colleges can't accept or reject you based on your sexuality



Im not sure about that. places can't discrimnate against religion, race, gender, or country of origin. On a technacality, they can. Places aren't supposed to, but..

Whisper
October 14th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Hell no.
They need to teach acceptance of people that are difference, not separate them. That will make times worse.
At what cost exactly are you willing to go to?
Suicide rates among gay teens are sky rocketing
Drop outs? skyrocketing
Violent bullying? skyrocketing

How exactly is it fair to the victim to force them to remain in such a hostile environment for the sake of the attacker solely based off the hope it will teach him acceptance

I think its brilliant

serial-thrilla
October 14th, 2008, 08:49 PM
hell no..

Atonement
October 14th, 2008, 09:42 PM
girl;375359']Im not sure about that. places can't discrimnate against religion, race, gender, or country of origin. On a technacality, they can. Places aren't supposed to, but..

They aren't supposed to but they do.

It is discrimination to twoexact same people with one difference being their sexuality, race, religion or other cultural difference.

Random_oso06
October 15th, 2008, 04:46 AM
wow that's messed up they have problems or what

ShatteredWings
October 15th, 2008, 05:50 AM
At what cost exactly are you willing to go to?
Suicide rates among gay teens are sky rocketing
Drop outs? skyrocketing
Violent bullying? skyrocketing

How exactly is it fair to the victim to force them to remain in such a hostile environment for the sake of the attacker solely based off the hope it will teach him acceptance

I think its brilliant

On that standpoint, i think the school is a good idea. Never said it was a bad school idea.

Φρανκομβριτ
October 15th, 2008, 08:37 PM
we have one in toronto, but my mum wouldnt let me go to it. She said I needed to fit in, and that it's no better than a blacks only school or a boys only school. In this world, we all have to deal with each other, so we need to start at an early age. it sucks theyre being bullied and that theyre killing themselves and such, but buck the fuck up buttercup!

Atonement
October 15th, 2008, 08:39 PM
I think that an educational institution should not be forced to endure hate and bullying. It should be only stressful in the academic sense. This school would be a safe community and strict on punishment for hate. So, I know I would go if I could, but I don't know how others would accept it.

Antares
October 15th, 2008, 08:59 PM
That's illegal ;)
Colleges can't accept or reject you based on your sexuality

Anyways, I don't think its a good idea
Its like moving closer to segregation, instead of making everyone equal.

Actually they can. There is no legislation that says based on sexual orientation I believe.

However that is why the Matthew Shepard act should be passed (Bush vetoed)
And also I still believe that gays shouldn't be "quarentined" because they are gay. That is why I dont support this school. Sure the kids who are gay will be with their 'own kind' but what will they do in the future. They can't go to a gay only job. They need to learn how to be resiliant and the others who are not in support of homosexuality...People need to learn acceptance of differences. It may take a while but we need to keep trying.

Attax
October 15th, 2008, 09:19 PM
I think that an educational institution should not be forced to endure hate and bullying. It should be only stressful in the academic sense. This school would be a safe community and strict on punishment for hate. So, I know I would go if I could, but I don't know how others would accept it.

This may be what you believe; however, this would be a great way to learn but it isn't pragmatic. Whether you put GLBT in a separate school because they want it or not won't stop hate. Hate and bullying comes around as a sense of indifference, and just because you remove one group does not mean you will stop all bullying. Bullying will continue to some group that people disapprove of.

I think that if we just start teaching tolerance then things will improve. Just like the desegregation of schools back in the 60s and 70s; people did not approve of it then; consequently, a new generation was taught tolerance of a different race. It did not happen immediately though, we must be patient and give it time, and eventually we will gain tolerance (historically proved) and it won't be nearly as much a problem.

Just the same, we still have racists and we will still have antihomosexuals, you cannot stop people from trying to feel elite to one another, but if you separate schools then people will have a reason for feeling elite and it won't diminish the problem just intensify it.




My opinion here btw.

sabin22
October 15th, 2008, 09:43 PM
i think its both good & bad cuz ion the good side gays, bi, les, etc... can have a safe environment depending on the teachers of course. the bad side though is what would the teachers do, lost of vandalizism, discrimination, but their could be possibilities tht someting tragic could happen cuz u kno how some ppl in this nation hate gays, les bi etc... i am just sayin i am against it 4 some of those facts & 4 their safety, but i totally love this idea, like my school dist, the kids bash on gays, which i hate, thts y i conceal the fact tht i am gay

Mannequin
October 15th, 2008, 10:11 PM
By separating them we are only assisting the fact that they are indeed different, but they arent at all and people need to know that. the more people are acquainted with gays the less of a shock they are.

Antares
October 16th, 2008, 01:00 AM
I wanna add one more thing before I leave this thread alone :P
I think that even if the homosexuals go to a different school they still may encounter bullying for stupid things such as youre nto wearing hollister or your a weirdo whatever the point is that we can never escape harassment to that aspect even if people that are similar are in the same school.

Atonement
October 16th, 2008, 06:59 AM
The cruelties of people never end. We know. But, it can be minimize. Look at it. Teased for not following trends OR be bullied for something you are and want to die for it? hm.

nachtspiegel
October 17th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Although the idea of a hostility-free environment for GBLTQ students sounds great, it sends a negative message that seems like it's already been outlined a few times.

I'd say go ahead with it and let students decide.
In the meantime, I think the penalties for bullying (for any reason) should be sharp and swift.

rainebg
October 17th, 2008, 11:58 PM
If there's a gay school then shouldn't, African-Americans, Asians, and Latinos get their own school? Separating people because they are gay wouldn't solve anything. Thats why some schools have Gay straight Alliances to help Gays fell more accepted.

Atonement
October 18th, 2008, 07:41 AM
If there's a gay school then shouldn't, African-Americans, Asians, and Latinos get their own school? Separating people because they are gay wouldn't solve anything. Thats why some schools have Gay straight Alliances to help Gays fell more accepted.

Because the aren't.

There are these groups because there are teens that put up with harassment so extreme that they feel the need to kill themselves to get away. It isn't as frequent that you would kill yourself for being Latino (example) and bullied.

This school isn't a gay only highschool. Its an open and acception school tight on harassment. This is a place for anyone that doesn't like public schools for the harassment.

rainebg
October 18th, 2008, 07:43 PM
Because the aren't.

There are these groups because there are teens that put up with harassment so extreme that they feel the need to kill themselves to get away. It isn't as frequent that you would kill yourself for being Latino (example) and bullied.

This school isn't a gay only highschool. Its an open and acception school tight on harassment. This is a place for anyone that doesn't like public schools for the harassment.

Oh i guess i didn't read the article well enough. You have good points there and if it saves lives than it should be allowed.