"That's Gay!"

[MisterKool00]

We probably have all heard it before, some of us take it more offensive than others. I personally have no problems with people saying it (by the way I'm gay) but I wish people would choose to say something else, and I know it really offends my other gay friend.

Anyone have suggestions on comebacks or something if someone says "That's Gay" or something. I'm not really looking for the "could you please not say that?" response. This should be funny if people reply!

[The Resurrected One]

Some people in class say that, along with calling eachother "fag" as a joke.

Most of them have known I am gay though.

And they are all fine with it.

[Zephyr]

I don't care if other people say it,
But I don't say it out of support for my gay friends.
It just feels wrong to say it,
For some reason unbeknownst to me.

Instead I just go with the classic, "That's so stupid."
People have actually noticed that I never "That's gay.",
And they find it interesting for some reason.

But if somebody is doing that shit to hurt others,
I just describe their behavior by saying that opposite,
"That's so straight! Pull your head out of your ass.".

[Sapphire]

We say it a fair bit. It's not meant to be offensive and none of my friends take it as that.

I like the idea of replying with "That's so straight!" :lol:

[Fiending_the_freedom]

lol well i have to admit i say it and im bi, but some of my gay friends even say it if that makes sense XD its not really what the word means its just a force of habit.

[Sugaree]

Even though I'm not gay, I find that offensive to an extent. Sure, it's a joke but it's not like they can't use another word.

[theOperaGhost]

Even though I'm not gay, I find that offensive to an extent. Sure, it's a joke but it's not like they can't use another word.

But then that other word would probably be offensive to someone else. Like "that's retarded," I take offense to that, even though I am not mentally retarded. Someone would probably find offense in anything you would say, so yeah, it's not as easy as just using another word.

[Sapphire]

It's only a word. It originally had nothing to do with being homosexual so I don't know why so many people get all bent out of shape over this use of the word.

[Zazu]

I personally have no problem with it.

People in my area use it a fair bit, i.e. if you asked a mate to come round and they can't because their parents have stopped them, you could say "meh well that's gay".

I see no problem with the phrase seeing as it's not meant as something offensive when I / my mates say it. I have no problem with people who are gay, therefore I don't use the phrase with any malice so it's fine in my books.

[byee]

I agree that words can hurt, and the term 'gay' is often used not so much a descriptor, but as an insult.

however, if your audience is aware that you are gay, you might respond by saying, "Really? what's his phone number?".

[Camazotz]

Although I'm not gay, I do find calling something "gay" when you really mean "stupid" offensive. If you look at it like that, you're calling all gays stupid. If you say stupid, you're not really hurting anyone. Same with "retarded". Being mentally retarded is nothing to joke about.

I haven't used it too much, but when people say, "That's so gay..." I reply,"No, that's so heterosexual."

[ShatteredWings]

It's only a word. It originally had nothing to do with being homosexual so I don't know why so many people get all bent out of shape over this use of the word.

haha. i often reply "Oh, it's extreamly happy?" [origonal meaning of the word btw]


anyways i don't use it. sometimes if i'm pissy i'll correct people if they do, but usually i let it be

[MoveAlong]

instead of saying "that's gay", say "that's straight". we all know straight people are the uncool ones.

[Patchy]

I admit me and some of my mates sometimes say it, normally if we're annoyed about something we say something like "grr I got a detention, its so gay!" I dunno how we came along to do it but so many people do it, it can be annoying.

[ZombieCrunch]

Im Gay and I use that phrase all the time * Nervous laugh *
I go a step further though.
I have a few Bisexual/Gay male friends and we frequently call each other " Fags " .
We will be joking about something, One of the guys would do something camp and we would just say " God, Your such a fag :D "
To which We/I Usually respond " NO U !!!!! "
Its all in good humor though.
I have no problem with that word It doesn't effect me in the slightest.

[Coesistere]

I got to say that unlike most, I DO take offence to the phrase, you may not use when verbaly attacking someone but thats what the people who said it ment it to be.....when you say it you really are just making it ok for other people to use it. Its jsut like when latinos call each other beaners, or when african americans call each other the word which i dare not say....it NOT right...and saying "its just a word, i dont mean it" IS A POOR EXCUSE. Think about it, try to resist because its a slur aimed at the sterio-typical gay person.....its not right...and it will never be right to say....so dont say it

[Atonement]

Yeah, so this really young immature teacher (I know, funny right?) used that to describe a broken desk and I flipped on him. I was like, "How the hell does a bent leg on a desk make it homosexual? Are you saying gay people are broken? Who the hell do you think you are?" He never used that expression again.

[MoveAlong]

Yeah, so this really young immature teacher (I know, funny right?) used that to describe a broken desk and I flipped on him. I was like, "How the hell does a bent leg on a desk make it homosexual? Are you saying gay people are broken? Who the hell do you think you are?" He never used that expression again.

lol dude that's so awesome

[Atonement]

Oh yeah, he and I are good friends now, but that was a bad day. I am outspoken in school. Teachers love me and hate me. I give that speech to people I dislike. Like most my peers lol

[Sapphire]

I got to say that unlike most, I DO take offence to the phrase, you may not use when verbaly attacking someone but thats what the people who said it ment it to be.....when you say it you really are just making it ok for other people to use it. Its jsut like when latinos call each other beaners, or when african americans call each other the word which i dare not say....it NOT right...and saying "its just a word, i dont mean it" IS A POOR EXCUSE. Think about it, try to resist because its a slur aimed at the sterio-typical gay person.....its not right...and it will never be right to say....so dont say it


To say that peoples defense that this is used in good humour is a poor excuse is your opinion. It isn't a fact. And how is it a slur against stereotypical homosexuals? It isn't on par with calling a homosexual male "a fairy" so I fail to see your point there.

I appreciate that you find it offensive, but I find your attitude offensive.
Will you change your attitude to suit me? No.
So why should I stop using this phrase?

[Zan0ra]

I am called it a lot because of the way I act. How on earth is not being able to do sport cause I am injured gay? serious... :P

[ShatteredWings]

I am called it a lot because of the way I act. How on earth is not being able to do sport cause I am injured gay? serious... :P

the same reason having short, multi-colored hair is apparently gay. it's not =/ people just can't come up with better insults

[Lindsay]

Well, I'm gay, and I find it annoying when people say it. Everyone at my school always says it when they think something is stupid. I find it a bit offensive, and annoying. I mean, really, can't people say just say "That's stupid.", and not "That's gay."? I don't like it, ugh.

[emecrazy]

At my school people call eachother fags all the time
and its all a joke like i moved here n one of my friends picture commented me and was like SUPER FAG =]
its pretty common to here that around here..
its annoying though
i know its annoying and when ppl say thats so gay
but all we can do is grin and bare it..
we are not gonna die from this... its not like its directed twords gay ppl.. it might have been but now its just apart of our vocabulary..

[Atonement]

I find it interesting across this thread that just because everyone does it people to think it is okay. Well frankly its not. You may take it and even use it, but it doesn't make it right.

[ShatteredWings]

i don't understand that mentality, "Everyone does it". but, if you let things get to ya like that, then you'd have issues

[Coesistere]

To say that peoples defense that this is used in good humour is a poor excuse is your opinion. It isn't a fact. And how is it a slur against stereotypical homosexuals? It isn't on par with calling a homosexual male "a fairy" so I fail to see your point there.

I appreciate that you find it offensive, but I find your attitude offensive.
Will you change your attitude to suit me? No.
So why should I stop using this phrase?

If my attitude offends, then yes....i will change it because thats how i am and if it will help people get along and mabye even help you lisen to me then it is more than worth it. Is that the answer you expected? I dout because you tried to answer the question for me.....dont tell me i would say "no". As for what i was saying....my argument isnt exactly in a "final draft", that was just my first opinion on the subject but i rather not go into it because it is somewhat futile if many of you dont want to lisen or even try. why should you and others should stop using the phrase? is there anymore reason then that its used to disrespect people and things....it that something people should be saying? Something that disrespects? Not in a place i would call home, but like you said....that is simplely my opinion, and all i want is for a little love and coexisting here.

I find it interesting across this thread that just because everyone does it people to think it is okay. Well frankly its not. You may take it and even use it, but it doesn't make it right.

True indeed

[Lindsay]

Also, people always use "That's gay!" insted of just saying "That's stupid!", but they would never use "That's gay!" insted of saying "That's cool!". Which shows that people are using the word gay as negative thing.

That's why it's offensive.

[Sapphire]

Language evolves and this is simply what is happening. "Gay" went from meaning "happy/joyous" to being another word for "homosexual". Now it is evolving again. Just chill out!

Blondes have been stereotyped as stupid for years and do we get offended by it? (I'm blonde btw) No! Homosexuals aren't even being stereotyped in this way. So stop being so sensitive and chill out!

If my attitude offends, then yes....i will change it because thats how i am and if it will help people get along and mabye even help you lisen to me then it is more than worth it. Is that the answer you expected? I dout because you tried to answer the question for me.....dont tell me i would say "no". As for what i was saying....my argument isnt exactly in a "final draft", that was just my first opinion on the subject but i rather not go into it because it is somewhat futile if many of you dont want to lisen or even try. why should you and others should stop using the phrase? is there anymore reason then that its used to disrespect people and things....it that something people should be saying? Something that disrespects? Not in a place i would call home, but like you said....that is simplely my opinion, and all i want is for a little love and coexisting here.

I hear what you are saying but I still can't get past your attitude.

[Coesistere]

If you cant get past my attitude then its futile to go on any longer,
but the word is "evolving" into a negitive word about the sexual prefrence about a person.
And there is NOTHING negitive about being gay.

thats my final say on this ;]


Edit:
Because this post was my final one i have to say this

"No it isn't evolving into a way of being negative about a sexual preference. It is evolving to mean "stupid" in general, not to mean "being homosexual is stupid/bad".


Seriously? No matter what, as long as your replacing a word like stupid, ect with gay your saying that

The Word Your Replacing = gay

And dont give that BS, "we aren't meaning it that way"..... cause thats what you implying no matter what, even if you dont mean it!

Please do not resond to this because ill have the urge to say more which i do not want to do

[Sapphire]

No it isn't evolving into a way of being negative about a sexual preference. It is evolving to mean "stupid" in general, not to mean "being homosexual is stupid/bad".

[tbboltz92]

A good comeback would be to not give them the time of day sice we live in the usa pepol are allowed to say what they want when they want to say it. So jus dont bother with them.

[antimonic]

If you cant get past my attitude then its futile to go on any longer,
but the word is "evolving" into a negitive word about the sexual prefrence about a person.
And there is NOTHING negitive about being gay.

thats my final say on this ;]


Edit:
Because this post was my final one i have to say this

"No it isn't evolving into a way of being negative about a sexual preference. It is evolving to mean "stupid" in general, not to mean "being homosexual is stupid/bad".


Seriously? No matter what, as long as your replacing a word like stupid, ect with gay your saying that

The Word Your Replacing = gay

And dont give that BS, "we aren't meaning it that way"..... cause thats what you implying no matter what, even if you dont mean it!

Please do not resond to this because ill have the urge to say more which i do not want to do

This thread is so gay :D I see no slur against homosexuals? All I said is this thread is gay!

Try not looking at the word specifically and look at the meaning behind the phrase. Like if someone says "you N*****" and someone else says "you cotton picker," they are both offensive even though the latter uses words that are not singularly offensive (Like gay alone is not singularly offensive – as you said, there’s nothing wrong with being a homosexual). Sometimes you have to look at the semantics and not just the words being used.

So as sugar said, calm down and quit with the anal retention! :D

[rsc4life]

It sorta annoys me...

[Coesistere]

A good comeback would be to not give them the time of day sice we live in the usa pepol are allowed to say what they want when they want to say it. So jus dont bother with them.

Ive heard the "Its a Free Country" excuse when i was a child, of coarse you are ALOUD to use the word but that doesnt mean it is right to say and that I or any others arent going to say something about it



This thread is so gay :D I see no slur against homosexuals? All I said is this thread is gay!

Try not looking at the word specifically and look at the meaning behind the phrase. Like if someone says "you N*****" and someone else says "you cotton picker," they are both offensive even though the latter uses words that are not singularly offensive (Like gay alone is not singularly offensive – as you said, there’s nothing wrong with being a homosexual). Sometimes you have to look at the semantics and not just the words being used.

So as sugar said, calm down and quit with the anal retention! :D

Anal retention? Im standing up for what i belive in, mabye im being a little agressive because im debating but im not being "anal retentent". And if im going to take you seriously dont add a " :D " after you just insulted me, it makes it much harder to agree with your opinion

[theOperaGhost]

Antimonic, you contradicted yourself. You justified saying that's gay, by saying that "there's nothing wrong with being a homosexual." Well there's nothing wrong with being a n***** either, but you even refused to type it. Why is it any different?

BTW, I didn't type out "the N word" because I didn't want to offend anybody, even though I don't refrain from using it...sorry. :(

[The Batman]

I really do think that this word is being taken to seriously. I say it sometimes but I don't mean it in a hurtful way. It's just a word and it will always be just a word, but when you make words into weapons that's when it hurts you.(I know corny). Your making it a weapon by getting upset by it just let it alone and ignore it. I've been called a n****r before but I don't mind. Why? Because it's just a word.

[george]

It's just different peoples opinions, some will think, words are words so they technically can't hurt you physically (unless of course you like, threw a sign at someone that had that word on there.... but yeah), then there will be people that are offended by words because of what they could mean.

I tend to not like to take sides....

[Coesistere]

i get you point Light, but i still belive ignoring it isnt the right solution...
i am not the one making it a weapon. The people you use it as an insulting adjective
are the ones makeing it a put down. Like i said befor, you may not be saying in offence to gay people but no matter what it is going to be dirrected at gay people sololy on the fact that the word is "Gay". Ignoring things never solves anythings, change solves things....and all people have to do is say "stupid" ( ect ) insteed of "gay". Simple as pie

[The Batman]

A funny thing is that the word "Gay" was originally used to define someone as happy. Why late those racist assholes have what they want? If they see that it hurts they'll just keep using it. You have to ignore it or it'll just always be a weapon.

[george]

Yeah when you think about it, a lot of words that are "bad" right now were never really meant to be like that.

Ass - Donkey
Gay - Happy
Bitch - Female Dog
Douche - uumm yeah...im not really gonna explain that
Fag - to get tired from do something or a cigarette

You guys get my point.....

[Coesistere]

Point taken, but shall we do nothing about people like that in our world? that question will never be known.

[rainbow]

next time say thats so homophobic

[antimonic]

Well there's nothing wrong with being a n***** either, but you even refused to type it. (

I refused to type it because it is offensive? and, if you read my post properly, I didnt say there was anything wrong with being black, but my refusal to type the word n***** is out of respect for those who would be offended by it. And before you jump and say "well dont say gay as that will insult people also" the two words are different, n***** has a horrible origin and always has been deemed offensive. "gay" has not, its origin differs, once being defined as happy. The two words are on completely different levels of offence.

[theOperaGhost]

I refused to type it because it is offensive? and, if you read my post properly, I didnt say there was anything wrong with being black, but my refusal to type the word n***** is out of respect for those who would be offended by it. And before you jump and say "well dont say gay as that will insult people also" the two words are different, n***** has a horrible origin and always has been deemed offensive. "gay" has not, its origin differs, once being defined as happy. The two words are on completely different levels of offence.

Well, saying "that's gay" apparently does offend some people. It's comparable to saying "that's Jewish" which a lot of people say. Both are offensive to some people. Same with "that's retarded." Why can't people just say "that's stupid"? When you say "that's gay" or "that's Jewish" in place of stupid, you're implying that homosexuals and Jews are stupid...why can't you see it as offensive to them?

[Sapphire]

When you say "that's gay" or "that's Jewish" in place of stupid, you're implying that homosexuals and Jews are stupid...why can't you see it as offensive to them?

I will stop saying "That's gay" when people stop stereotyping blondes as stupid.

[antimonic]

Again, why dont you look at the semantics and not the choice of word? the REASON people say "thats stupid" or gay or retarded or whatever when you break it down is basically "this is something that does not appeal to me" so to them, retardation, homosexuality, etc does not appeal to them. it does not mean they have something against it, it is practically on par with "this is not cool" (being not cool does not appeal to them) except its with a different choice of words.

its sort of like saying "brown is the colour of dirt," a black person may interpret this as claiming people with brown skin have the same colour skin as dirt and thereby take offence to it. but this is not the intention of the comment, the comment is just stating that brown is the colour of dirt, not mentioning skin colour. saying "thats gay" is basically saying "that does not appeal to me" and is not a slur against homosexuals. if the listener wants to interpret that as a slur then it is the problem of the offended.

yeah i can see why it would be offensive, but only to the really touchy ones, and in that case it is not the sayers problem.

[Coesistere]

Again, why dont you look at the semantics and not the choice of word? the REASON people say "thats stupid" or gay or retarded or whatever when you break it down is basically "this is something that does not appeal to me" so to them, retardation, homosexuality, etc does not appeal to them. it does not mean they have something against it, it is practically on par with "this is not cool" (being not cool does not appeal to them) except its with a different choice of words.

Retardation doesnt appel to them? Homosexuality doesnt appel to them?
isnt that basicly just being homophobic or not likes people who have disabilitys? If it doesnt appeal to them, isnt that not liking it? Im not calling anyone homophobic HERE, but there is STILL the fact that it is offensive to gay or lesbien people weither the speaker has a problem or not...it doent change the fact that the saying is offencive. So as you said, its on par with being not cool.....so the person who is saying this thinks being mentally retarded or homosexual isnt cool, thats just messed up of the person




its sort of like saying "brown is the colour of dirt," a black person may interpret this as claiming people with brown skin have the same colour skin as dirt and thereby take offence to it. but this is not the intention of the comment, the comment is just stating that brown is the colour of dirt, not mentioning skin colour. saying "thats gay" is basically saying "that does not appeal to me" and is not a slur against homosexuals. if the listener wants to interpret that as a slur then it is the problem of the offended.

the sayings: "Brown is the color of dirt" & "Thats Gay" is completely different from each other. For one you not saying "Black skin is the color of dirt" where in "That Gay" your actually inplying a certin type of person. Therefor it is irelevent to the debate. IM also having a hard time



yeah i can see why it would be offensive, but only to the really touchy ones, and in that case it is not the sayers problem.

The really touchy ones? You means the ones who are gay, know people who are gay, or just know when something is wrong.








I will stop saying "That's gay" when people stop stereotyping blondes as stupid.

I know personaly know that your a great VT member but even if this is not im my place to say this i really think thats an imature thing to say. I am discriminated against almost everyday just because of my last name, most dont get to even meet me for the first time befor they start judging me and teasing me, yet i dont descide to insult them, i dont say anything to people like that because i dont want someone like that to be my friend anyway if thats they tyoe of person they are. I wouldnt be the least surprized if the people who steriotype blondes are also some of the people who say "Thats Gay" or "Thats Retarded". Its very irrational thing keep syaing that disrespectful phrase just because others are discriminating also.

[Sapphire]

With what I said there, I was making a point. The phrase "That's gay" isn't openly implying that homosexuals are stupid. That meaning is inserted by the person that hears it and gets offended. Whereas blondes have always been openly called "dumb" and "stupid". No, the same people aren't responsible for both. The whole "blondes are stupid" is much more long standing and wide spread. Everyone has heard blonde jokes and the phrase "blonde moments".
If you are kicking up a fuss about "that's gay", why can't I kick up a fuss about blondes being stereotyped as stupid?

EDIT
And antimonic is right. You should look at what the person means by the phrase and not the actual choice of word. I feel that you are being too sensitive on this issue. If homosexuality doesn't appeal to someone then it just simply isn't "for them". It simply means that the idea of having sex with a member of the same sex isn't one that they like. They aren't being homophobic in any way, shape or form for saying this. Some types of music don't appeal to me, but that isn't to say that appreciate them or that I think they are unworthy of being played. The same goes with this.

[CoolBri94]

Usually I try to say "that is so stupid" because my teacher made me stay after once and told me that saying "that is gay" is a warning to everyone that I'm an idiot. so because of that I don't normally say things are gay but sometimes it slips.

[Sapphire]

Please delete

[antimonic]

Retardation doesnt appel to them? Homosexuality doesnt appel to them?
isnt that basicly just being homophobic or not likes people who have disabilitys? If it doesnt appeal to them, isnt that not liking it? Im not calling anyone homophobic HERE, but there is STILL the fact that it is offensive to gay or lesbien people weither the speaker has a problem or not...it doent change the fact that the saying is offencive. So as you said, its on par with being not cool.....so the person who is saying this thinks being mentally retarded or homosexual isnt cool, thats just messed up of the person

erm, no its not, its saying it does not appeal to them lol :D if homosexuality does not appeal to me that does not mean im not homophobic, just that im not gay. And as with the “that’s gay” comment in general, your taking things out of context and being way too sensetive. It is on par with “that’s not cool” but that in no way means to the person that homosexuality = not cool and retardation = not cool your making the wrong associations here. To the person saying it, being retarded, gay and not cool does not appeal to them so either one of those words, to them, can be used because they all DON’T APPEAL to them. And btw, if something does not appeal to you, it doesn’t mean you hate it or are completely against it, it just means it does not appeal to you.

the sayings: "Brown is the color of dirt" & "Thats Gay" is completely different from each other. For one you not saying "Black skin is the color of dirt" where in "That Gay" your actually inplying a certin type of person. Therefor it is irelevent to the debate. IM also having a hard time

The brown thing was an EXAMPLE of things that CAN offend if taken in the wrong context. For the umpteenth time, saying “that’s gay” is not saying “this is just like gay people, and therefore is shit and wrong” it is saying “”that’s gay” or “ That’s something that does not appeal to me, like homosexuality”

The really touchy ones? You means the ones who are gay, know people who are gay, or just know when something is wrong.

No, I mean the touchy ones lol :D.

Yeah fine there may be some people that will say it and hold the view that gay people are wrong or whatever, but there is no way of telling that from the comment “that’s gay”
I mean I say it sometimes and I don’t hate gay people? I have many gay friends who also say it and they obviously don’t too, they are examples of people who are not as touchy :D.

Are you even gay btw?

[theOperaGhost]

It is on par with “that’s not cool” but that in no way means to the person that homosexuality = not cool and retardation = not cool your making the wrong associations here.

And that makes sense...how?

It's exactly the same as saying "that's Jewish." Some people consider that prejudice. I suppose you don't though. Maybe being a Jew just wouldn't "appeal to you." It is by association that when people say that's Jewish/gay/retarded/etc...for that's not cool, that they are saying that being Jewish/gay/retarded/etc. isn't cool.

Your logic made absolutely no sense though...You basically said "it's the same as saying "that's not cool" but it's not.

[Sapphire]

And that makes sense...how?

It's exactly the same as saying "that's Jewish." Some people consider that prejudice. I suppose you don't though. Maybe being a Jew just wouldn't "appeal to you." It is by association that when people say that's Jewish/gay/retarded/etc...for that's not cool, that they are saying that being Jewish/gay/retarded/etc. isn't cool.

Your logic made absolutely no sense though...You basically said "it's the same as saying "that's not cool" but it's not.

Read his post again. He said that by saying "that's gay" they are basically saying "that's not cool" or "it doesn't appeal to me". It is not them saying "homosexuality is stupid".

[antimonic]

It's exactly the same as saying "that's Jewish." Some people consider that prejudice. I suppose you don't though. Maybe being a Jew just wouldn't "appeal to you." It is by association that when people say that's Jewish/gay/retarded/etc...for that's not cool, that they are saying that being Jewish/gay/retarded/etc. isn't cool.

Your logic made absolutely no sense though...You basically said "it's the same as saying "that's not cool" but it's not.

Ok you OBVIOUSLY dont know what "on par with" means. incase it hasnt hit you yet, when two things are on par, it means they are ALONG THE SAME LINES, it does not mean they are THE SAME or have the same meaning. So no actually im not saying they are the same but different try actually reading my posts properly? the two (thats gay and thats stupid) are along the same lines but are NOT THE SAME you can not relate gay and stupid as equal purely from the comment "thats gay" and if you do, then you need to stop reaching, seriously.

And by the way, there is nothing wrong with my logic, just your apparent reading skills.

[The Batman]

I actually agree with antimonic on this one he pretty much hit nail on the head.

[theOperaGhost]

Ok you OBVIOUSLY dont know what "on par with" means. incase it hasnt hit you yet, when two things are on par, it means they are ALONG THE SAME LINES, it does not mean they are THE SAME or have the same meaning. So no actually im not saying they are the same but different try actually reading my posts properly? the two (thats gay and thats stupid) are along the same lines but are NOT THE SAME you can not relate gay and stupid as equal purely from the comment "thats gay" and if you do, then you need to stop reaching, seriously.

And by the way, there is nothing wrong with my logic, just your apparent reading skills.


BUT the only time people say "that's gay" is when it's something that they are annoyed with or don't like.

And how is "along the same lines" make it better?

Any way I look at it, I see it as looking down upon gay people. Even though I am not gay, I don't think it's right to use the saying "that's gay" instead of that's stupid.

Maybe I could just start saying "that's blonde" instead...but why the fuck would I do that. That's just mean and stupid (or "gay" for all of you people who can't simply say use the word you mean..."stupid").

[antimonic]

BUT the only time people say "that's gay" is when it's something that they are annoyed with or don't like.

Since you seem to have difficulty reading and understanding some things, ill explain it to you, "does not appeal to" is practically the same as don’t like. Except it’s a nicer way of putting it. If chocolate cake does not appeal to you, it means you don’t like it. It does not mean you hate it or have anything against it, just that it’s not what you go for.

And how is "along the same lines" make it better?

You claimed my logic was circular and made no sense because you thought that being on par with something meant you are the same. me iterating that it means they’re along the same lines makes what I said (hopefully) easier for you to understand it.

Any way I look at it, I see it as looking down upon gay people. Even though I am not gay, I don't think its right to use the saying "that's gay" instead of that's stupid.

That's just mean and stupid (or "gay" for all of you people who can't simply say use the word you mean..."stupid").

See now by YOUR logic, I would interpret that as you saying homosexuality is mean and stupid, as you claimed earlier:

It is by association that when people say that's Jewish/gay/retarded/etc...for that's not cool, that they are saying that being Jewish/gay/retarded/etc. isn't cool.

So by your logic, mean and stupid = homosexual huh? lol :D

[Sapphire]

Ok, Jared, it's just a case of differing semantics. The word "gay" is developing a third meaning. The first being "joyous" and the second being "homosexual". The third is "subjectively unappealing". There is no real issue with the semantics of the word here. It is in the subjective interpretation of it that problems arise. It is not meant in an offensive way, it isn't used to be offensive. If someone wants to be offended by it then they will interpret it in such a way that they can justify to themselves and others the reasons why.

On a side note, I think this thread is full of people who aren't actually homosexual whom find things offensive for homosexuals. Looking back at this thread I have realised that out of all the people who are saying that it is offensive to homosexuals, only one is homosexual himself. Everyone else has been straight or bi-curious.

[theOperaGhost]

Since you seem to have difficulty reading and understanding some things, ill explain it to you, "does not appeal to" is practically the same as don’t like. Except it’s a nicer way of putting it. If chocolate cake does not appeal to you, it means you don’t like it. It does not mean you hate it or have anything against it, just that it’s not what you go for.



You claimed my logic was circular and made no sense because you thought that being on par with something meant you are the same. me iterating that it means they’re along the same lines makes what I said (hopefully) easier for you to understand it.

Any way I look at it, I see it as looking down upon gay people. Even though I am not gay, I don't think its right to use the saying "that's gay" instead of that's stupid.



See now by YOUR logic, I would interpret that as you saying homosexuality is mean and stupid, as you claimed earlier:



So by your logic, mean and stupid = homosexual huh? lol :D

Now you need to learn how to read my posts...If you'd figure it out...I'm using my sarcastic nature...I was addressing the people who can't seem to be able to say "that's stupid" so they say "that's gay" instead. Let me tell you though, it is rather difficult for me to type things the way I want to get them across...I should make a recording and post it. Maybe then you would be able to understand what I'm saying.

Actually what I WAS saying is that for me to start saying "that's blonde" would be mean and stupid.

[antimonic]

You can make an audio file if you really want, i doubt i would understand it anyway lol :P now BACK ON TOPIC, i think i have made my point clear enough. The phrase is not meant to be a slur, the meaning has to be looked at and not simply the words.

[Zephyr]

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[Whisper]

you guys are getting really bent out of shape about something that just does. not. matter.
To each his own
use your own discretion
If someone says that to you and it offends you, call them on it

[ShatteredWings]

you guys are getting really bent out of shape about something that just does. not. matter.
To each his own
use your own discretion
If someone says that to you and it offends you, call them on it

Thank you cody. It deosn't matter too badly. Sure, it's rude. people say rude things all the time and nobody cares.

[theOperaGhost]

you guys are getting really bent out of shape about something that just does. not. matter.
To each his own
use your own discretion
If someone says that to you and it offends you, call them on it

In all honesty, it really does not matter to me either. I really just love debating. Plus, when I get called out, I have to make a rebuttal. I'm going to stand by that it is wrong to say though. Just like I keep bringing up that "that's retarded" and "that's Jewish" are wrong to say too.

But yeah, I'm done with this debate..

Until the next, funicational debate...thePianoMan...Have a nice day!!!:D

[Ceilidh]

I always say it and I'm bisexual and have gay friends, so I really shouldn't say it as I can see why some people find it offensive.

But.... ehhh... it's just a word, I think people take it too seriously.

[Coesistere]

The word "gay" is developing a third meaning

No its not, some kid in some town with some friends probably decideds to start saying that and like virus it spread. No matter how, in any form, in any way then anyone else you say it. The "phrase" is mean, even if you are not even looking at the whole reason why we are debating bout this ( the word "gay ) it still is an insult to whatever you saying it to, and for me any insults shouldnt be said. No word should ever "DEVELOP" into a slur or out down, none.

you guys are getting really bent out of shape about something that just does. not. matter.
To each his own
use your own discretion
If someone says that to you and it offends you, call them on it

Your right. There is no point in "brawling" to see whos right, the point on this thread was to get our oppinions about the phrase, and i belive we all pretty clearly gave our views...the thread has done its job. I do not have any wish for the word gay to "evolve" into anything else than itself already, and i sure the phrase will eventually go away. I must say though i had fun with this discustion and like Piano, i love debating ;)

Well this is the LAST of my postings in this thread fur sure.

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[Kuervo]

we all say it. i say it all the time. but my friend always calls me hobo 4 no reason. its just jokes we have

[Sapphire]

Coesistere, you really haven't read what I said properly. lol.