December 21, 2012

[foof1]

Google, Youtube: December 21, 2012
Is this bullshit or is it real?

Is it really the end of the world.

My dad says it's not real.

[Underground_Network]

Its not necessarily real, but there's a book on this if you're interested called Apocalypse 2012 by Lawrence E. Joseph. It gives 10 scientifically proven reasons as to why the world could end at or around that date, besides the fact that the Mayans prophesied it.

[Sugaree]

I don't think so. 2012 is just another conspiracy of when the world will end. The world can end on any given day but we think that it will end on a specific date so we stick to that.

[Aηdy]

Just like 6/6/6 - bullshit :)

[Sugaree]

Just like 6/6/6 - bullshit :)

On that day I was laughing my ass off because NOTHING HAPPENED.

[ShatteredWings]

On that day I was laughing my ass off because NOTHING HAPPENED.

haha
that was a good day :P




this is all BS

that is all

[Oblivion]

Personally I don't think it's real, but who knows? Maybe it will be.
No one can say for sure

[AutumnDae]

That is my 18th birthday......


Wow.

[Rutherford The Brave]

AHHHHH Autumn is cursed!

[ShatteredWings]

hahahaha

nice

still, BS

[AutumnDae]

:(

I was hoping to get something nice for that birthday. I don't classify as the world ending as nice....

[Sugaree]

Nothing says "Happy Birthday" like fireballs coming from the Heavens!

[Underground_Network]

Guilty of Apocalypse:
The Case Against 2012

1. Ancient Mayan prophecies based on two millennia of meticulous astronomical observations indicate that 12/21/12 will mark the birth of a new age, accompanied, as all births are, by blood and agony as well as hope and promise.

2. Since the 1940s, and particularly since 2003, the Sun has behaved more tumultuously than any time since the rapid global warming that accompanied the last Ice Age 11,000 years ago. Solar physicists claim that solar activity will next peak, at record-setting levels, in 2012.

3. Storms on the Sun are related to storms on the Earth. The great wave of 2005 hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma coincided with one of the stormiest weeks in the recorded history of the Sun.

4. The Earth's magnetic field, our primary defense against harmful solar radiation, has begun to dwindle, with California-sized cracks opening up randomly. A pole shift, in which such protection falls nearly to zero as the North and South magnetic poles reverse position, may well be under way.

5. Russian geophysicists believe that the Solar Sytem has entered an interstellar energy cloud. This cloud is energizing and destabilizing the Sun and all the planets' atmospheres. Their predictions for catastrophe resulting from the Earth's encounter with this energy cloud range from 2010 to 2020.

6. Physicists at UC Berkeley, who discovered that the dinosaurs and 70 percent of all other species on Earth were extinguished by the impact of a comet or asteroid 65 million years ago, maintain with 99 percent certainty, that we are now overdue for another such megacatastrophe.

7. The Yellowstone supervolcano, which erupts catastrophically every 600,000 to 700,000 years, is preparing to blow. The most recent eruption of comparable magnitude at Lake Toba, Indonesia, 74,000 years ago, led to the death of more than 90 percent of the world's population the time.

8. Eastern philosophies, such as the I Ching, The Chinese Book of Changes, and Hindu theology, have been plausibly interpreted as supporting the 2012 end date, as have a range of indigenous belief systems.

9. At least one scholarly interpretation of the Bible predicts that Earth will be annihilated in 2012. The burgeoning Armageddonist movement of Muslims, Christians, and Jews actively seeks to precipitate the final end-times battle.

10. Have a nice day.

Quoted directly from Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End by Lawrence E. Joseph. Published by Morgan Road Books. Copyright 2007. All Rights Reserved.

[Antares]

I think that it si nto true. I think the end of the world is 2090 :P
Which is well beyond my years :P

[tombstonequeen]

i wish unless its with zombies O_o ill have my end of the world nice and rioty hold the zombies though please

[MoveAlong]

On that day I was laughing my ass off because NOTHING HAPPENED.

NO NOT TRUE like the Runescape world 111 massacre happened on that night. or like 5/6/06 but at midnight. O_o

[Mzor203]

I hope the world ends... The world as we know it anyways. The human race doesn't deserve to live on.

[Underground_Network]

^^ Too true.

[ssgliberty]

the myan calender gose longer than tagt so if it dose happen some people will be alive i think it`s bull shit it`s like what was supposed to happen in 1995 and 2000 so i think its bull.

On that day I was laughing my ass off because NOTHING HAPPENED.

me too.who knows it might happen but i think its bs.

[Maverick]

I hope the world ends... The world as we know it anyways. The human race doesn't deserve to live on.Um, okay? I really don't understand why you think humans are sooo evil and should all die when there are plenty of good people in the world.

[The Batman]

I don't think the world is going to end but I do think something will happen on that date.

[Mzor203]

Um, okay? I really don't understand why you think humans are sooo evil and should all die when there are plenty of good people in the world.

I know there are many good people in the world, but... we on the whole have been horrible to the planet that graciously hosted our existance. Even I am no exception, barely anyone is. We've polluted, destroyed, massacred our home, and I believe one of these days our earth is going to rebel. 2012 may be this date, who knows. But it will happen eventually.

[george]

7. The Yellowstone supervolcano, which erupts catastrophically every 600,000 to 700,000 years, is preparing to blow. The most recent eruption of comparable magnitude at Lake Toba, Indonesia, 74,000 years ago, led to the death of more than 90 percent of the world's population the time.

DDDAAAMMMM!!!!!! lol that one beastly volcano, sadly I don't think there were that many things living on the planet

But yeah, I guess it could be true and if it does happen, I'll be sure to tell certain people I love them :)

Though I guess the hurricane thing could be true even though right now it is hurricane season, there's a hurricane just south of us, a tropical storm just east of that, then a lew pressure area in the gulf just waiting to pwn the south lol
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k258/pr3d4d3r/untitled-3.jpg
Whats funny is that, Katrina and Rita themselves didn't really do that much damage, only reason New Orleans was so bad was because of the levees braking then houston tried evacuating all at once and the traffic jam killed people.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/RitaHoustonEvacuation.jpg

So yeah, there have been a lot more hurricanes here since like 2001 than before that.

Oh and just as a little note, I just found out that Taipei, Taiwan is one of the sister cities of Houston, go Taiwan w00t :D

[ssgliberty]

I don't think the world is going to end but I do think something will happen on that date.

i agree

[ObamaBiden08]

I agree Maverick. Not all people deserve to die.

[Oblivion]

I think what Rex was trying to say is that as a whole the human race has destroyed the environment, and planet, killing millions of species.
Not that each individual should die a slow and painful death, but as a whole the human race doesn't deserve to be here.

[Mzor203]

Exactly... if you can truthfully say that you do not pollute the planet one bit, I'll give you a cookie.

Everybody does their part to pollute this world, even me,which is why I say we all deserve to die. What did we repay the Earth's hospitality with? Nothing. It's like we went to a friends house, stayed there for a while, and completely trashed the place.

I don't mean to be offensive to anyone. It's my opinion.

[Neverender]

it may not be real, but history has a suprising track record. the mayan calendar ends on the 21st of decembr, 2012.(a calendar that is so accurate it can predict eclipses thousandds of years in the future)

and nostradamus had predicted everything in the last 400 years.

the web-bot program descovered that a war would ensue in '08/'09 which was the war with georgia. and that nuclear wars would start after 2010, which at the same time the us sent lots of missiles to poland to protect europe from russian attacks.

[Maverick]

Exactly... if you can truthfully say that you do not pollute the planet one bit, I'll give you a cookie.

Everybody does their part to pollute this world, even me,which is why I say we all deserve to die. What did we repay the Earth's hospitality with? Nothing. It's like we went to a friends house, stayed there for a while, and completely trashed the place.

I don't mean to be offensive to anyone. It's my opinion.
We all deserve to die for polluting? Quite radical philosophy. Polluting isn't good but nothing bad enough to say we should all die for it. I still can't comprehended how you can think that way.

If you think all humans deserve to die for polluting, and you've admitted to polluting, then why aren't you dead? You'd be one less evil human to pollute the planet, right?

Please note I'm not suggesting you kill yourself, but I'm just trying to make a point on how crazy your logic sounds.

And really, polluting isn't the worst thing in the world a person can do to deserve death.

[Techno Monster]

On that day I was laughing my ass off because NOTHING HAPPENED.

My great aunt Irene died that day...
ANYWAY! My ma also told me that the world was supposed to end on the new year of 1999. I hope the world doesn't end, because I haven't even been to Paris yet!!!

[serial-thrilla]

This is all pure bs. There is always a current doomsday theory. Too bad this one along with the others lack hard evidence and any real reason for us to believe it to be true.

[Underground_Network]

Serial-Thrilla, I hate to quote myself, but this is evidence, I don't know that I'd call it hard, but it is scientific. It doesn't 'guesstimate' December 12, 2012 exactly, but still, to acknowledge the fact that [many] scientists think a catastrophic event on an unheard of scale could/should occur within the next decade is quite frightening to say the least:
Guilty of Apocalypse:
The Case Against 2012

1. Ancient Mayan prophecies based on two millennia of meticulous astronomical observations indicate that 12/21/12 will mark the birth of a new age, accompanied, as all births are, by blood and agony as well as hope and promise.

2. Since the 1940s, and particularly since 2003, the Sun has behaved more tumultuously than any time since the rapid global warming that accompanied the last Ice Age 11,000 years ago. Solar physicists claim that solar activity will next peak, at record-setting levels, in 2012.

3. Storms on the Sun are related to storms on the Earth. The great wave of 2005 hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma coincided with one of the stormiest weeks in the recorded history of the Sun.

4. The Earth's magnetic field, our primary defense against harmful solar radiation, has begun to dwindle, with California-sized cracks opening up randomly. A pole shift, in which such protection falls nearly to zero as the North and South magnetic poles reverse position, may well be under way.

5. Russian geophysicists believe that the Solar Sytem has entered an interstellar energy cloud. This cloud is energizing and destabilizing the Sun and all the planets' atmospheres. Their predictions for catastrophe resulting from the Earth's encounter with this energy cloud range from 2010 to 2020.

6. Physicists at UC Berkeley, who discovered that the dinosaurs and 70 percent of all other species on Earth were extinguished by the impact of a comet or asteroid 65 million years ago, maintain with 99 percent certainty, that we are now overdue for another such megacatastrophe.

7. The Yellowstone supervolcano, which erupts catastrophically every 600,000 to 700,000 years, is preparing to blow. The most recent eruption of comparable magnitude at Lake Toba, Indonesia, 74,000 years ago, led to the death of more than 90 percent of the world's population the time.

8. Eastern philosophies, such as the I Ching, The Chinese Book of Changes, and Hindu theology, have been plausibly interpreted as supporting the 2012 end date, as have a range of indigenous belief systems.

9. At least one scholarly interpretation of the Bible predicts that Earth will be annihilated in 2012. The burgeoning Armageddonist movement of Muslims, Christians, and Jews actively seeks to precipitate the final end-times battle.

10. Have a nice day.

Quoted directly from Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End by Lawrence E. Joseph. Published by Morgan Road Books. Copyright 2007. All Rights Reserved.

[Antares]

I am going to go ahead and move this.

TWPR :arrow: ROTW

[theOperaGhost]

From what I know, nothing can be scientifically proven. Nothing in science is fact, it's theory, but not fact. To be fact, there would have to be infinite testing done, and well...infinite is impossible. So we can hypothesize that the world will end on December 12, 2012, but we won't know until it actually happens. I don't care how much scientific evidence there is, it isn't necessarily fact. There are no scientific laws, only theories, nothing in science has ever gone past the theory stage, even the law of gravity, which is actually only a theory.

[Zephyr]

Personally, it does seem like there are too many predictions on that date to be pure bull,
But at the same time, I really don't believe it.

Well, the only way to prove it right is to wait around for it.
Until then, just carry on with life.
Nothing that we say or do can change the course of what will happen to the earth.
Eventually, we will come to an end.

[Antares]

I think we should be spending our time figuring out what is going to happen beyond the existence of mankind. Will Mars be the host of the next civilizations!? Or will it be Mercury? Or maybe even some other planet in a different solar system. Facinating :D

[Sapphire]

i swear ppl cant live happily witout predictin the end o the world. theyv said it b4 n it obviously werent true bcos we r all still ere. life will go on beyond 2012.

[Camazotz]

I do not think Doomsday will be on December 21, 2012. However, I think significant changes that can affect the world around that date. I find the comparison with this prediction and Y2K & 6/6/06 absolutely pathetic. Those were silly superstitions, offering no evidence. At least this prediction has references from not only the Ancient Mayans, but also some scientific evidence. No one will ever be sure when The End is, until it happens. It's best if we just live life to its fullest.

[Mzor203]

We all deserve to die for polluting? Quite radical philosophy. Polluting isn't good but nothing bad enough to say we should all die for it. I still can't comprehended how you can think that way.

If you think all humans deserve to die for polluting, and you've admitted to polluting, then why aren't you dead? You'd be one less evil human to pollute the planet, right?

Please note I'm not suggesting you kill yourself, but I'm just trying to make a point on how crazy your logic sounds.

And really, polluting isn't the worst thing in the world a person can do to deserve death.

It's not just pollution I'm talking about... it's destroying our planet without doing anything about it that peeves me. I guess peeves me quite a bit.

I guess what I'm trying to say came out too harshly, I know it sounded bad, and probably offended people (I know it did), and I am sorry. But I think something will happen eventually, on 2012, 2050, whenever. We've started a countdown of sorts, and if we can't figure out how to diffuse this bomb we set off, we're in for it.

Again, I apoligize. What I said was radical, and I didn't need to say it like that.

[Junky]

How do people get into the way of thinking like Rex? Seriously that's depressing saying everyone should die....But if we do all die i hope its quick >.>

[Oblivion]

How do people get into the way of thinking like Rex? Seriously that's depressing saying everyone should die....But if we do all die i hope its quick >.>

You get into that way of thinking when you think about how screwed up the world is, and how its all the humans fault?
I mean really, who says we deserve to live here when all we do it take and destroy?

I think thats how you get to that.

[Mzor203]

I'm a pessimist I guess...

I get into this thinking because I care... I care about the Earth, and the environment.It's the place we live, it's our home, and we just abuse it, so I get angry, even if it's not quite justifiable. Don't mind me. I get really... explosive with my thoughts.

[Sage]

Actually, the world will end in 2013 due to an over-abundance of morons. Sorry to break it to you, everyone.

[trn19]

The end of the world? Well, I have no idea of when such thing will happen, but I certainly hope it will be A LOT sooner than that.

[Requin]

Ok, let me clear this up.
The World will end on the 22nd December 2012, because the Maya first said that it would.
(Yes, the maya, they who invented chocolate and sacrifice)
If you heard the whole story, you'd realise that it's a mad story and a mad prophecy.
THey didn't have christmas so they didn't realise that it would piss us all off.
Here's the story, it's long mind, but it's quite funny:

"Once upon a time there were humans on the earth. And the humans ate maize and they grew into giants (see what i mean) But even these giants weren't tall enough to keep thier haeads above water when a great flood came. It swallowed the sun and ended the first age of the earth after 4,008 years.

Almost every giant on earth was drowned and turned into a fish. (See how ridiculous this is yet?) That's where fish come from. (So fish fingers are really giants fingers?)
Still two humans survived by climbing into a tree. They were called Nene and Tata and they started the human race off all over again in the second age.

But after, 4,010 years, what do you think happened? This time there was a great wind that came along and blew out the sun (this is what the aztecs and maya beleived, do you still beleive the prophecy yet?) THe wind blew so hard that humans had to cling to the trees with their hands and feet and even grew tails. They all turned into monkeys. Again two humans survived by standing on a rock. They started the human race off all over again in the third age. But after 4,081 years what do you think happened? No not a flood or wind, it was a great fire that came along and destroyed the earth.

Of course, someone survived and started the fourth age, and of course , the humans of the fourth age were wiped out by rain of blood and fire. Nothing could grow and humans starved.
And that brings us into the fifth age - the one we're in now, and the one that will apparently end on the 22nd of December 2012."

The story goes on about how the gods created the sun and moon again, but that bit isn't important here. I'm saying that judging by how ridiculous a story this is, the end of the world myth is total...in short...bullshit. :-)

[Underground_Network]

^^ Explain to me how three ancient sources, all written thousands of miles away from each other [when that type of distance was impossible to travel] around the same time all state the same exact date? The Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012. The I Ching states the world will end on December 21, 2012 [through 'mathematical' interpretation, and Hindu theology is stated to have projected the same date as the 'end date'.

[Sapphire]

^^ Explain to me how three ancient sources, all written thousands of miles away from each other [when that type of distance was impossible to travel] around the same time all state the same exact date? The Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012. The I Ching states the world will end on December 21, 2012 [through 'mathematical' interpretation, and Hindu theology is stated to have projected the same date as the 'end date'.

There is such a thing as coincidence. Those who believe this clap-trap about the world ending are just so gullible.

[Zazu]

Hmmm well if it does end when people think it will, then I'm not going to be one thinking about it. I don't want to sit here worrying about the end of the world, just enjoy what time we actually have here.

I also don't like how some people see patterns in things then immediately assume that they must mean something. As far as I'm concerned, the reason that lots of people predict the same date is because they are just jumping on the band wagon with everyone else. Psychologically speaking, people tend to follow what other people do to try and fit in, ergo if one person predicts the end of the world, then they will follow to fit in.

Coincidences happen, patterns occur, but it doesn't mean that they are therefore hard facts.

[Underground_Network]

^^ Its insane coincidence, though the interpretation of I Ching has received a lot of skepticism [though it is true that if you interpret the book in a certain way it says the end date is December 21, 2012, some claim it either A) isn't supposed to be read that way or B) isn't really there, it just seems like it because the interpreter wanted to find that in the book, and thus he 'made' it appear by, instead of solving the problem and discovering the answer was that date, he worked backwards and looked for things in the book that would 'add up to' that date. But still, an entire theology, a famous work of literature, and a group of peoples known for their insane timekeeping and predictions all predict the end will come at least around that date. That's got to be a little more than coincidence.

[Sapphire]

There is no evidence apart from some scribbles from thousands of years ago and some of it may not even exist. Anyone who believes this sketchy so-called-evidence is just being gullible.

[Underground_Network]

There is scientific evidence which I have posted TWICE. Look on page 1 or page 2. I'm not quoting myself again.

[Zazu]

There is no evidence apart from some scribbles from thousands of years ago and some of it may not even exist. Anyone who believes this sketchy so-called-evidence is just being gullible.

Agree completely.

And as you said Underground_Network, people can interpret things differently to others. People would have had suggestions planted in their minds that the end date is as suggested, they read these scripts / books and then they interpret them to say that the end date is that. Then they tell other people what they thought the scripts / books said the end date was, planting the suggestion in the next person's mind, and so on and so forth. So really, I don't think that things like this can be taken as evidence of said date. It only takes on person to say / think something to create a chain reaction of people thinking the same thing.

There is scientific evidence which I have posted TWICE. Look on page 1 or page 2. I'm not quoting myself again.

Just to point out, I'm referring to the I Ching, not any of the scientific evidence.

[Underground_Network]

There is still scientific evidence that states several cataclysmic events could occur around said date. There is no scientific evidence which points to that exact date, but there is scientific evidence that points to 2010-2015 as being times of catastrophe and destruction due to several different phenomena/natural disasters/etc. Again, read what I posted on page 1.

[Zazu]

There is still scientific evidence that states several cataclysmic events could occur around said date. There is no scientific evidence which points to that exact date, but there is scientific evidence that points to 2010-2015 as being times of catastrophe and destruction due to several different phenomena/natural disasters/etc. Again, read what I posted on page 1.

Lol I'm not denying that.

[Underground_Network]

Again, most of that wasn't aimed at you, but at Sugar and Spice [whom I forget the name of because whoever she is she has probably had one too many name changes. :P]. Hmm... Can't think...

[Sapphire]

There is scientific evidence which I have posted TWICE. Look on page 1 or page 2. I'm not quoting myself again.

Your "evidence" is hardly definitive. It is merely suggestive. Hardly anything to get worked up about and panic over.

[Underground_Network]

I book I read that that came from had lots of definitive evidence though, I'm not posting 300 pages worth of information though, so if you want more evidence, just look it up on the internet or find a book [such as Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End by scientist Lawrence E. Joseph.]

[henry827]

From what I know, nothing can be scientifically proven. Nothing in science is fact, it's theory, but not fact. To be fact, there would have to be infinite testing done, and well...infinite is impossible. So we can hypothesize that the world will end on December 12, 2012, but we won't know until it actually happens. I don't care how much scientific evidence there is, it isn't necessarily fact. There are no scientific laws, only theories, nothing in science has ever gone past the theory stage, even the law of gravity, which is actually only a theory.
then how do you know what is real and what is not?

[Zazu]

then how do you know what is real and what is not?

We don't. That's his point lol.

If you ever look into quantum physics, first few things you'll learn is that most scientists believe that you can never predict the outcome of an action performed on an atom / sub-atomic particle i.e. a quark; ergo it's random, unpredictable. Because of that, it can either be very hard or impossible to draw up theories relating to physical / energetic events or outcomes. Sometimes patterns can be spotted in the behaviour of particles, but no one can really guarantee that those patterns will be uniform. For example, the suns activity could have been related to earth's storms / hurricanes, and people could therefore conclude that this is a sign that the world might end in 2012. But there is no current way that we could predict a finite conclusion to this. One day the suns activities could correlate with a hurricane on the earth, the next day the sun might remain unchanged for the same / even stronger hurricane. There's just no definite way of prediction.

My argument to the reason as to why we call some scientific theories 'laws' is because the human psyche always feels the need for authority, clear rules of what is wrong and what is right, therefore when scientists think of a theory and it looks fairly un-breakable, they will call it a law, mainly to help feed the want of authority that we all possess. It also helps to satisfy the human want to have the superior knowledge, if something is called a 'law' then it is seen to be un-changeable, completely proven. If we possess that knowledge, then we are therefore the superiors in terms of what we know.

[theOperaGhost]

We don't. That's his point lol.

If you ever look into quantum physics, first few things you'll learn is that most scientists believe that you can never predict the outcome of an action performed on an atom / sub-atomic particle i.e. a quark; ergo it's random, unpredictable. Because of that, it can either be very hard or impossible to draw up theories relating to physical / energetic events or outcomes. Sometimes patterns can be spotted in the behaviour of particles, but no one can really guarantee that those patterns will be uniform. For example, the suns activity could have been related to earth's storms / hurricanes, and people could therefore conclude that this is a sign that the world might end in 2012. But there is no current way that we could predict a finite conclusion to this. One day the suns activities could correlate with a hurricane on the earth, the next day the sun might remain unchanged for the same / even stronger hurricane. There's just no definite way of prediction.

My argument to the reason as to why we call some scientific theories 'laws' is because the human psyche always feels the need for authority, clear rules of what is wrong and what is right, therefore when scientists think of a theory and it looks fairly un-breakable, they will call it a law, mainly to help feed the want of authority that we all possess. It also helps to satisfy the human want to have the superior knowledge, if something is called a 'law' then it is seen to be un-changeable, completely proven. If we possess that knowledge, then we are therefore the superiors in terms of what we know.

Well, that explains what I think pretty well, so yeah, we don't know what is real or not.

[ssgliberty]

Ok, let me clear this up.
The World will end on the 22nd December 2012, because the Maya first said that it would.
(Yes, the maya, they who invented chocolate and sacrifice)
If you heard the whole story, you'd realise that it's a mad story and a mad prophecy.
THey didn't have christmas so they didn't realise that it would piss us all off.
Here's the story, it's long mind, but it's quite funny:

"Once upon a time there were humans on the earth. And the humans ate maize and they grew into giants (see what i mean) But even these giants weren't tall enough to keep thier haeads above water when a great flood came. It swallowed the sun and ended the first age of the earth after 4,008 years.

Almost every giant on earth was drowned and turned into a fish. (See how ridiculous this is yet?) That's where fish come from. (So fish fingers are really giants fingers?)
Still two humans survived by climbing into a tree. They were called Nene and Tata and they started the human race off all over again in the second age.

But after, 4,010 years, what do you think happened? This time there was a great wind that came along and blew out the sun (this is what the aztecs and maya beleived, do you still beleive the prophecy yet?) THe wind blew so hard that humans had to cling to the trees with their hands and feet and even grew tails. They all turned into monkeys. Again two humans survived by standing on a rock. They started the human race off all over again in the third age. But after 4,081 years what do you think happened? No not a flood or wind, it was a great fire that came along and destroyed the earth.

Of course, someone survived and started the fourth age, and of course , the humans of the fourth age were wiped out by rain of blood and fire. Nothing could grow and humans starved.
And that brings us into the fifth age - the one we're in now, and the one that will apparently end on the 22nd of December 2012."

The story goes on about how the gods created the sun and moon again, but that bit isn't important here. I'm saying that judging by how ridiculous a story this is, the end of the world myth is total...in short...bullshit. :-)

thats true i already knew that it is bulshit...

[Underground_Network]

You can't say that this is b/s nor can you say that its not b/s until the very day it occurs [or doesn't occur]. You can't say a prediction is complete and utter bullshit without proof of it being complete and utter bullshit. You may say there isn't much to back it up, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. If I say the world is going to explode tomorrow, you could call it bullshit or say I'm lying or that there's no way in hell it could occur, but still, you'll have no proof and just have to wait it out. All the believers, all the skeptics, and all those who fall in between or just don't care or are completely unsure will just have to wait until December 21, 2012 [if human civilization lasts that long] to find out. Predictions in science are almost never 100% accurate, but you can't say that prediction is bullshit, until after the prediction does not occur.

Hmm, just realized thats not what AxLr was referring to as bullshit, but I'm not sure what alien was referring to... This still goes for all the skeptics [and everyone else] out there.

[ssgliberty]

You can't say that this is b/s nor can you say that its not b/s until the very day it occurs [or doesn't occur]. You can't say a prediction is complete and utter bullshit without proof of it being complete and utter bullshit. You may say there isn't much to back it up, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. If I say the world is going to explode tomorrow, you could call it bullshit or say I'm lying or that there's no way in hell it could occur, but still, you'll have no proof and just have to wait it out. All the believers, all the skeptics, and all those who fall in between or just don't care or are completely unsure will just have to wait until December 21, 2012 [if human civilization lasts that long] to find out. Predictions in science are almost never 100% accurate, but you can't say that prediction is bullshit, until after the prediction does not occur.

Hmm, just realized thats not what AxLr was referring to as bullshit, but I'm not sure what alien was referring to... This still goes for all the skeptics [and everyone else] out there.
true

[Requin]

But you did read the story right. Clinging onto rocks, and growing tails and became monkeys?
We know that's wrong thanks to Charles Darwin. So surely, the rest of the story is rubbish aswell. Yes there is a possibility of the world ending every day, but we can't be sure.

To be quite honest i think the world will either end sometime this month cause scientists are doing that dangerous experiment where they are trying to create the big band. (Why?)
And they said there midly confident that it won't destroy the world. Fuck!

THere risking destroying are planet becuase of a science experiment! Bastards.
Or going back to my original point, i think the world will end either this month or on another date that we HAVEN'T PREDICTED. Most predictions about this are probably going to be wrong.
It'd be extraordinary amazing if the world did end on the date suggested. How improbable!

[Underground_Network]

^^ The Mayan's don't have an end time story though. The only end time story from Mayan culture has to do with something similar to the 'mysterious' Rapture and derived from modern ancestors of the Mayans, rather than the Mayans themselves. And regardless of a story, their calendar ends on that date, the I Ching predicts that date as well, as does Hindu theology. I just don't see that as coincidence.

[Requin]

What i mean is that that is where it started. I expect the i ching copied it. Maybe i'm wrong? I'm just saying that the maya is where it first came from. And the other things just copied it.
What is I Ching anyway?
If you want me to explain the mayan calender i will, but it's confusing.

[Underground_Network]

I Ching is a 'religious' Chinese book, but hidden in it are many codes and secrets, and to my awareness it came about BEFORE the Mayan calendar got as far as 2012 [way before the civilization died out], and since the Mayans didn't have airplanes or boats and the Chinese were isolationists, I doubt any interaction took place between the two cultures. Thus they each independently concluded that December 21, 2012 would be our end date. There is some skepticism around the I Ching's prediction, as the guy who interpreted it was supposedly addicted to shrooms, but still, his mathematical calculations do show that in the I Ching the date is predicted and is associated with something else that means 'death' or the 'end' or something like that, but again, some people think his interpretations are based more on what he wanted to find rather than on what he really found. Its really complicated, too complicated to summarize, I'd look it up if I were you, there are plenty of books or even online articles on this stuff.

From Wikipedia: The I Ching (Wade-Giles), or “Yì Jīng” (Pinyin); also called “Book of Changes” or “Classic of Changes” is one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts.[1] The book is a symbol system used to identify order in chance events. The text describes an ancient system of cosmology and philosophy that is intrinsic to ancient Chinese cultural beliefs. The cosmology centres on the ideas of the dynamic balance of opposites, the evolution of events as a process, and acceptance of the inevitability of change (see Philosophy, below). In Western cultures and modern East Asia, the I Ching is sometimes regarded as a system of divination. The classic consists of a series of symbols, rules for manipulating these symbols, poems, and commentary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching

[Requin]

OK, OK.
I'm bowing down valiently.
All this is still beside the point to the fact that we cannot predict the end of the world.
Sorry fairy thinkers, but it's true.
End of the matter I think.

[Mzor203]

No one has brought up the technological singularity? That'll be interesting, and there's no way that it can't happen, unless somehow every bit of our technology and knowledge is wipe from the face of the Earth. Which is doubtful.

Oh, and all the stuff I found about trying to recreate the big bang happened a year ago.

[jaja]

According To Mayan Calendars And Mayan Stories The World Will End On December 21st,2012.BUT They Also Said That "Chosen People" Will Live On From That Fateful Day As The Worlds Cycle Starts Over Again But Humans Wont Be Such Humans As They Are Today We Will Be What Is Known Today As A "Mutant" With Certain Powers. No Im Not Talking About X-Men But Other Powers.


Oh And By The Way Whoever Posted About The Giants And All That Thats Why It's Called A Mayan Myth Because Of Of Course Everyone Knows It Didn't Go Down That Way.

[Hyper]

According To Mayan Calendars And Mayan Stories The World Will End On December 21st,2012.BUT They Also Said That "Chosen People" Will Live On From That Fateful Day As The Worlds Cycle Starts Over Again But Humans Wont Be Such Humans As They Are Today We Will Be What Is Known Today As A "Mutant" With Certain Powers. No Im Not Talking About X-Men But Other Powers.


Oh And By The Way Whoever Posted About The Giants And All That Thats Why It's Called A Mayan Myth Because Of Of Course Everyone Knows It Didn't Go Down That Way.

And myths often have symbological and hidden meanings behind them :)

[ThatCanadianGuy]

All the believers, all the skeptics, and all those who fall in between or just don't care or are completely unsure will just have to wait until December 21, 2012 [if human civilization lasts that long] to find out. Predictions in science are almost never 100% accurate, but you can't say that prediction is bullshit, until after the prediction does not occur.



There is something pretty important that you're missing here. SCIENTIFIC predictions are based on EVIDENCE.... and FACTS. "Predicting" that the world will end for no apparent reason on 2012 is NOT a prediction; its just plain stupidity. The world is over 4.5 Billion years old; we've only been here for about 1 million years. For the last 5,000 years we've been "predicting" the end of the world over and over..... and jack shit has happened. Unless you tell me the world will end on 2012 BECAUSE (insert proven REASON here) then I will maybe take it into consideration. But just because some primitive civilization didn't care to add more years to their calender..... and "believed" that the world would end now. They also believed that human sacrifice would appease the Sun (which is carried across the sky by flaming horses) and make their crops grow....

Your statement that "scienctific predictions aren't 100% accurate" is totally true; HOWEVER the predictions are still based on evidence and facts.... unlike 2012 which is purely paranoia and outright stupidity. You say we have to "wait for this to NOT occur" as if it actually has any chance of actually happening. Stop giving crazy people so much attention! You're just helping them believe their own bullshit even more!

Example:

I predict that an invisible jellyfish is wrapped over every person's head.... and it's controlling our minds. Until you prove my "accurate scientific prediction" wrong..... my "theory" is totally valid! See how LITTLE sense that makes?

[Underground_Network]

^^ I know how little sense that makes, but there aren't just crazy people that 'support' this. Even with all the scientific evidence in the world supporting a prediction, its nearly impossible to pinpoint an exact day. Pinpointing several years is usually possible, and that's what many scientists have done. Many scientists predict something catastrophic will occur sometime between 2010 and 2020, and December 21, 2012 happens to fall in between there. Now that means that yes, December 21, 2012 is just as likely to have a catastrophic event on an unimaginable scale as projected by scientific evidence as January 1, 2019, but still, its a possibility. And it isn't as ridiculous as certain other predictions. Comparing a prediction of mass destruction and possibly 'the end' to a theory that 'predicts' that there is an invisible jellyfish wrapped over every person's head is just absurd. One falls in the realm of possibilities, and is backed up by multiple scientists [though it, like many scientific predictions, has many skeptics], while your 'pretend' theory obviously has no scientific support to back it up.

[Sapphire]

The studies and predictions (subject to various scenarios) into climate change and global warming indicate that we have a much larger time scale than this 2012 theory allows.

The geomagnetic field, with the fluctuations and depressions, is acting normally. If a reversal of the geomagnetic field is under way, it is predicted not to occur for at least another 1,000 years. Even then, it does not appear to pose a threat to any living species.

Yellowstone, one of the world’s largest active volcanic systems, has produced several giant volcanic eruptions in the past few million years, as well as many smaller eruptions and steam explosions. Although no eruptions of lava or volcanic ash have occurred for many thousands of years, future eruptions are likely. In the next few hundred years, hazards will most probably be limited to ongoing geyser and hot-spring activity, occasional steam explosions, and moderate to large earthquakes...The probability of a large caldera-forming eruption within the next few thousand years is exceedingly low...Any renewed volcanic activity at Yellowstone would most likely take the form of such mainly nonexplosive lava eruptions. An eruption of lava could cause widespread havoc in the park, including fires and the loss of roads and facilities, but more distant areas would probably remain largely unaffected.From http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2005/3024/

[foof1]

Guilty of Apocalypse:
The Case Against 2012

1. Ancient Mayan prophecies based on two millennia of meticulous astronomical observations indicate that 12/21/12 will mark the birth of a new age, accompanied, as all births are, by blood and agony as well as hope and promise.

2. Since the 1940s, and particularly since 2003, the Sun has behaved more tumultuously than any time since the rapid global warming that accompanied the last Ice Age 11,000 years ago. Solar physicists claim that solar activity will next peak, at record-setting levels, in 2012.

3. Storms on the Sun are related to storms on the Earth. The great wave of 2005 hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma coincided with one of the stormiest weeks in the recorded history of the Sun.

4. The Earth's magnetic field, our primary defense against harmful solar radiation, has begun to dwindle, with California-sized cracks opening up randomly. A pole shift, in which such protection falls nearly to zero as the North and South magnetic poles reverse position, may well be under way.

5. Russian geophysicists believe that the Solar Sytem has entered an interstellar energy cloud. This cloud is energizing and destabilizing the Sun and all the planets' atmospheres. Their predictions for catastrophe resulting from the Earth's encounter with this energy cloud range from 2010 to 2020.

6. Physicists at UC Berkeley, who discovered that the dinosaurs and 70 percent of all other species on Earth were extinguished by the impact of a comet or asteroid 65 million years ago, maintain with 99 percent certainty, that we are now overdue for another such megacatastrophe.

7. The Yellowstone supervolcano, which erupts catastrophically every 600,000 to 700,000 years, is preparing to blow. The most recent eruption of comparable magnitude at Lake Toba, Indonesia, 74,000 years ago, led to the death of more than 90 percent of the world's population the time.

8. Eastern philosophies, such as the I Ching, The Chinese Book of Changes, and Hindu theology, have been plausibly interpreted as supporting the 2012 end date, as have a range of indigenous belief systems.

9. At least one scholarly interpretation of the Bible predicts that Earth will be annihilated in 2012. The burgeoning Armageddonist movement of Muslims, Christians, and Jews actively seeks to precipitate the final end-times battle.

10. Have a nice day.

Quoted directly from Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End by Lawrence E. Joseph. Published by Morgan Road Books. Copyright 2007. All Rights Reserved.


I hope it's bullshit.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

One falls in the realm of possibilities, and is backed up by multiple scientists [though it, like many scientific predictions, has many skeptics], while your 'pretend' theory obviously has no scientific support to back it up.

You continue to prove my point. One exists in the realm of possibilities. But what kind of possibilities are we talking about here? The odds are, what, billions if not trillions to one that anything will happen in the next millisecond or in the next 1,000 years? With possibilities so remote they're taken as pretty much non-existant. The "well there's always a possibility" tangent holds no weight whatsoever. Not one single scientist with any REAL credibility supports these pitiful doomsday declarations (how many scientists supported the world ending on 6/6/6?). As soon as 2012 comes and goes.... there will be people declaring the NEXT "end of the world" just a few years after ("oh sorry... we got it wrong. The world will end FOR SURE on 2024.... for sure.... trust us! We know what we're talking about!").

My stupid jellyfish theory is the same as the STUPID 2012 "theory". The possibility of my jellyfish existing is about as vailid as the existence of some undiscribable event killing EVERYONE..... for no reason.

Of course these "multiple scientific predictions" have many skeptics.... because each prediction is backed by NO evidence, and little supporting facts. Why do you think you were so skeptical of my jellyfish? Because you saw that I had no real evidence for it.... and it had no bearing on your life whatsoever. If REAL scientists REALLY believed in this 2012 b.s. they would be going CRAZY telling people to "get ready for the end of the world".

Give me a break!

[theOperaGhost]

From what I hear, the odds of an asteroid hitting the aren't all that small. They do in fact hit the earth quite often. Big ones have in the past, that caused one of the ice ages I believe. This could happen again, you know. It could happen in 2012 or it could happen tomorrow, or it could happen in 2147. It's really not that far out, IMO. I wouldn't go by a calendar that ends on that day, that's really just not believable to me.

[jaja]

To All You People Who Thinks This Theory Is Complete Bullshit:

If Its So Full Of Shit As You Said Why Are You Wasting Your Time In This Thread. If You Thought It Was Actual Bullshit You Would Just Brush It Off And Move On So You Obviously Have Some Interest In The Subject.

[theOperaGhost]

To All You People Who Thinks This Theory Is Complete Bullshit:

If Its So Full Of Shit As You Said Why Are You Wasting Your Time In This Thread. If You Thought It Was Actual Bullshit You Would Just Brush It Off And Move On So You Obviously Have Some Interest In The Subject.

This is a debate...there are two sides to every debate. That is simply how a debate works, you have the people who believe/support and the skeptics/opposers. Most people come to the Ramblings of the Wise just to have a good debate about interesting topics. Debates are fun, but if this turns into an argument, that is bad.

Now, back on topic!!

[jaja]

Just As You Said It's An Interesting Subject So These People Posting And Debating On This Thread Obviously Want To Know A Little If Not As Much As The Believers About When The World Is Gonna End.


P.S. Notice Piano's Join Date That Wud Be A Helluva Anniversary Day. xD

[henry827]

Our solar system is part of a huge disc shaped collection of stars and planets called the Milky Way. We're located somewhere on the edge of the disc, slightly on top of the narrow disc. But very soon we'll be moving to the bottom of the disc. This change, from top to bottom, begins on December 21, 2012.

Yes, that's right. On the same day when our Sun is at it's solar maximum, something will happen that's never happened before -- the ecliptic of our solar system will intersect with the Galactic plane, called the "Galactic Equator" of the Milky Way! [see star chart].

If you imagine our solar system as a bunch of peas on a plate, with a huge meatball in the center, imagine the Milky Way as a city-size pizza with the "Guiness World Book Record Meatball" in its center!

Prior to December 2012 we have been drifting on the top of the pizza, never really able to see the bottom. The plate and pizza are not parallel. They are moving at different angles. We've been drifting down, down, down... and on December 21st, 2012, we will be exactly level with the crust -- forming an "x" at the Galactic Equator where galactic gravity is the strongest. After 2012, if we are still here, we will be passing through the bottom zone, viewing the Milky Way pizza from the South.

this is from http://www.viewzone.com/endtime.html

[foof1]

I hope it's not real.

[jaja]

why are u ppl afraid of death we wont really be leaving loved ones we are goin all at the same time we will meet again.

[Underground_Network]

Who said anyone here was afraid of death? No one has displayed a fear of the things to come. They've just acknowledged the fact that they don't want it to happen. Its like me saying I don't want to be murdered. It doesn't mean I'm afraid of death, it just means I would rather die another way. There's no point in being afraid of the unknown, because the unknown is well...unknown. Just take life as it comes, there's no point in being afraid of something unless it's happening to you right here and now. I don't why you'd even think that a single person in here is afraid of death. If they are, well, maybe they are, but no one has displayed a fear of death, in fact, by bringing it up it means your mind itself came up with that thought, it means deep in your own subconscious you yourself are probably afraid of death. In fact, most of us are afraid of death and don't even realize it. Who would want to die when there are so many things in life we do not understand? When there is so much to comprehend, so much to learn about, who would want to look death straight in the eye? Most would rather just avoid death at all costs. Being afraid of death is a good thing, if anything it extends your life. If you're not afraid of death you'll take bigger risks, you may have more confidence, but you still increase your chances of dying. Being afraid of something is almost never a bad thing, in fact it can even save your life. I know this is off-topic, but still, its true.

[Requin]

Well we will test that theory on Wednesday because the world could end on that day.
Those idiot scientists in Geneva are turning on their massive heat producing tunnel thing to try and find out some stuff about atoms and protons etc...
But there risking creating a black hole..oh well if it's in the name of science!!
NOT!!!!!!

[jaja]

Who said anyone here was afraid of death? No one has displayed a fear of the things to come. They've just acknowledged the fact that they don't want it to happen. Its like me saying I don't want to be murdered. It doesn't mean I'm afraid of death, it just means I would rather die another way. There's no point in being afraid of the unknown, because the unknown is well...unknown. Just take life as it comes, there's no point in being afraid of something unless it's happening to you right here and now. I don't why you'd even think that a single person in here is afraid of death. If they are, well, maybe they are, but no one has displayed a fear of death, in fact, by bringing it up it means your mind itself came up with that thought, it means deep in your own subconscious you yourself are probably afraid of death. In fact, most of us are afraid of death and don't even realize it. Who would want to die when there are so many things in life we do not understand? When there is so much to comprehend, so much to learn about, who would want to look death straight in the eye? Most would rather just avoid death at all costs. Being afraid of death is a good thing, if anything it extends your life. If you're not afraid of death you'll take bigger risks, you may have more confidence, but you still increase your chances of dying. Being afraid of something is almost never a bad thing, in fact it can even save your life. I know this is off-topic, but still, its true.

Maybe I Said That Beacuse People Don't Want The World To End.What Comes With The World Ending May You Ask? Death.Death Happens So If You Don't Want The World To End Then You Don't Want To Die So If You Don't Want To Die You Have A Fear Of Death.

[theOperaGhost]

Didn't you get his point. Maybe we don't want to die like that. I am not afraid of dying, because I know it in inevitable and I have accepted that. There may be certain ways that I don't want to die, but I am not afraid of death. Adam gave a very good example. Most people wouldn't want to be murdered, but that doesn't mean they are afraid to die, murder just wouldn't be their favorite way to go about it.

[Requin]

Or suffacation.
You shouldn't really be afraid of death as...(hears the depressing bit) it all comes to us.
We might not be afraid of death, but we all want to have as much time on earth as possible.
But the world might end Wednesday so....oh well.

[Oblivion]

why are u ppl afraid of death we wont really be leaving loved ones we are goin all at the same time we will meet again.
Maybe I Said That Beacuse People Don't Want The World To End.What Comes With The World Ending May You Ask? Death.Death Happens So If You Don't Want The World To End Then You Don't Want To Die So If You Don't Want To Die You Have A Fear Of Death.


There's a difference between being afraid to die, and wanting to die.
We don't want to die, but definitely does not mean we are afraid of it.

Your saying that we should all want to die, and we should welcome the end of the world.

[Requin]

Moi?
Maybe I put it badly.
Do you mean me?

[Sapphire]

I think that if you are afraid to die it just proves that you have a life worth fighting for...

[Oblivion]

Moi?
Maybe I put it badly.
Do you mean me?

Sorry I should have quoted
It was at the one guy who brought up that we are all afraid to die
I'll add a quote.

[Requin]

Ah i see.
Even so...we all die, so we should accept it, end of story.
But i'd rather our planet be destroyed by Vogons to make way for a hyperspace bypass than of...say...global warming or that stupid tunnel thing in Geneva

[Oblivion]

Im not saying Im not accepting it, I just don't want it.
There is a huge difference between
A) Wanting it
B) Accepting it
C) Being afraid of it

[Requin]

Oh i know, i don't want it either. I'm not afraid of it either.
Why are we having this conversation of repeating ourselves?
I'm saying no more.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

If any of you guys are worried about that "stupid tunnel thing in Geneva" as AxLr said; don't be! Everyone keeps freaking out because the Large Hadron Collide may POSSIBLY create mini black holes. I know you might ask me.... why don't I care? Simply because these black holes are so SMALL; we're talking subatomic here. The black holes would be so unstable that they would evaporate into nothingness almost instantly. So DON'T have visions of the world being sucked in on itself okay? :D

[jaja]

There's a difference between being afraid to die, and wanting to die.
We don't want to die, but definitely does not mean we are afraid of it.

Your saying that we should all want to die, and we should welcome the end of the world.

Yes You Should Welcome The End Of The World Because No Matter What Us Humans Do While We Live Our Lives Its Going To Come.And No Im Not Saying That You Should Want To Die But You Also Shouldn't Want To Also And No One Can Choose The Way They Day If Fate Wants You To Die That Die Your Gonna Die There Is No Stopping It Live Life Day To Day Not For The Future.But I Also Consider The World Ending On December 21,2012 Based On The Scientific Facts On This Topic If You Want To Try To Deny The Facts Then Your Simply A Stupid Person.

P.S. Not Trying To Call Anyone Stupid Just Making A Point

[Oblivion]

Its Very Hard To Read Typing When Every Word Is Capitalized And There Are Few Commas, Periods, Or Line Breaks.

Anyways,
A) I don't believe in fate- If fate was real, then no one would have to make any choices, or even live their life, because fate would determine what happened and not them.
B) You did just call many people here stupid, including me, so saying your not trying to when you put 'Your Simply A Stupid Person' in your post, is just... Contradicting yourself.
Finally,
C) I agree you should welcome something if its inevitable, but when it isn't, or when you don't even know its true, why go around thinking about it, and telling everyone they are going to die so they should accept it?

[jaja]

Sorry If I Offended You Shattered I Take Alot Of Your Knowledge Into Consideration.Sorry To The Others Also

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Sorry If I Offended You Shattered I Take Alot Of Your Knowledge Into Consideration.Sorry To The Others Also

Um... I'm sorry that you're ignorant. Fate doesn't exist. Sorry! :cool:

You're "revelation" that it's all fate just totally shattered my life. Wow. Guess I should just kill myself and take care of things before 2012. Sorry I this and that and blah blah blah.

You're "apologies" are quite clearly transparent and just display your arrogance.

[Sapphire]

Yes You Should Welcome The End Of The World Because No Matter What Us Humans Do While We Live Our Lives Its Going To Come.And No Im Not Saying That You Should Want To Die But You Also Shouldn't Want To Also And No One Can Choose The Way They Day If Fate Wants You To Die That Die Your Gonna Die There Is No Stopping It Live Life Day To Day Not For The Future.But I Also Consider The World Ending On December 21,2012 Based On The Scientific Facts On This Topic If You Want To Try To Deny The Facts Then Your Simply A Stupid Person.

P.S. Not Trying To Call Anyone Stupid Just Making A Point

The scientific facts that provide so-called-support for this theory are far from solid. There are scientific facts that things like climate change will have dramatic effects, just a lot later on than this crackpot theory claims.

I will not welcome death simply because it is inevitable. I value my life and the possibilities that it brings. Fate does not rule over everything and to claim as much is short-sighted.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

The scientific facts that provide so-called-support for this theory are far from solid. There are scientific facts that things like climate change will have dramatic effects, just a lot later on than this crackpot theory claims.

I will not welcome death simply because it is inevitable. I value my life and the possibilities that it brings. Fate does not rule over everything and to claim as much is short-sighted.

In fact; fate doesn't rule over ANYTHING. You can't prove FATE to be the cause of "everything" any more than you can prove my farts are a major contribution to global warming! :lol:

[Sapphire]

In fact; fate doesn't rule over ANYTHING. You can't prove FATE to be the cause of "everything" any more than you can prove my farts are a major contribution to global warming! :lol:

I don't believe in fate. I believe that what we do with our lives is up to us - how we react to things, opportunities we take etc.

[Nihilus]

I don't believe in the Dec. 21, 2012 prophecy thing.

[SirRawrsalot]

I think that if you are afraid to die it just proves that you have a life worth fighting for...

Agreed ^

Eh, if it happens it happens. What can you do? I'll answer that, nothing. So whether or not you're afraid, just forget about it and go do something you've never done before you die (that doesn't mean skydive without a parachute...). Explore life to the fullest before december 21'st, 2012 or whenever the world ends or you die.

[jaja]

... I Can't Even Make A Simple Apology Without Being Flamed If You Wanna Be A Shithead Then Don't Accept My Apology Dude. Damn No Matter What I Say Or Do I Get Flamed... -.-

[Antares]

Um... I'm sorry that you're ignorant. Fate doesn't exist. Sorry! :cool:

You're "revelation" that it's all fate just totally shattered my life. Wow. Guess I should just kill myself and take care of things before 2012. Sorry I this and that and blah blah blah.

You're "apologies" are quite clearly transparent and just display your arrogance.

This wasn't very nice. There is no reason to call him ignroant over his beliefs. So watch what's posted please.

... I Can't Even Make A Simple Apology Without Being Flamed If You Wanna Be A Shithead Then Don't Accept My Apology Dude. Damn No Matter What I Say Or Do I Get Flamed... -.-

Can we calm down children. Play nice...well debate nice. Thank you ;)

[Sapphire]

Can we calm down children. Play nice...well debate nice.

Why is it that when I use the word "children" I get pounced upon and you get away with it?