was 9/11 a conspiracy?

[Sugaree]

Earlier this week I went to Wikipedia and searched "9/11 Conspiracy" and I came up with three interesting things.

1. United Airlines Flight 93 was shot down by military aircraft.

2. The planes that hit the World Trade Center towers were really government aircraft.

3. Bombs were planted in the Towers before the planes hit to cause more damage.

Now, from what I saw on that day was that the two towers were hit by planes that were hijacked by at least three men and purposefully went into the towers. The plane that went into the Pentagon was also hijacked by three men and purposefully went into the building. Flight 93 was hijacked by four men and that they were originally going to Washington D.C. to crash the plane into the White House.

What are your thoughts about 9/11 and do you think that the government conspired against America just to start a new war? Or, that these were terrorist attacks against America?

[The Batman]

I am so tired of hearing about 9/11 and these conspiracy theories. People don't have anything better to do so they create a theory that all terrorist attacks were orchestrated by the government.

[tombstonequeen]

i believe 9/11 was a conspiracy on different levels then government aircraft stuff

[Sage]

Semantics: One could say the terrorists conspired to do it themselves.

[ssgliberty]

i agree with Deschain

[trn19]

I'd say it was. It can't be possible that the most powerful country in the world didn't see that coming. Think about all those connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. And, after 9/11 happened, it gave that government the perfect excuse to start its greedy wars and make the USA a quasi fascist country.

[antimonic]

I am so tired of hearing about 9/11 and these conspiracy theories. People don't have anything better to do so they create a theory that all terrorist attacks were orchestrated by the government.

Amen to that.

What is the point of looking for the conspiracy in this tragic event (not aimed at anyone in this thread). And yeah, the U.S is one of the most powerful countries in the world, would they really risk killing so many of their own people in order to start a war? It just does not make sense.

[trn19]

And yeah, the U.S is one of the most powerful countries in the world, would they really risk killing so many of their own people in order to start a war? It just does not make sense.

If that statement wasn't tragic, it would make me laugh soooo very hard.

[Sapphire]

If that statement wasn't tragic, it would make me laugh soooo very hard.

What do you mean? I personally think he has a good point

[Sugaree]

If that statement wasn't tragic, it would make me laugh soooo very hard.

Hey, he has a great point to this. Why would the government risk and kill so many lives of their own people just to start a war that we can't win?

[Underground_Network]

Because Bush is Bush, but still, it wasn't a conspiracy. All those conspiracy theorists out there need to go get real jobs. 9/11 was the real deal. It was a terrorist attack that was somewhat unforeseen. No one anticipated what happened on that day, no one [technically] could've predicted what happened that day. Bush may not have the highest IQ in the world, but he's not stupid enough to kill his own people like that. Plus it makes him look bad, as it shows a hole in national security. It tarnishes his reputation even further. Gee, look, our president can't protect us from terrorists. A good president would have seen this coming and taken precautions... So again, why would he or his administration be behind something like this, that would A) cause many American men and women to perish, B) cause mass hysteria, C) tarnish their own reputation, and D) have to deal with investigations into them that could ruin them even further. Its quite simply not worth the risk. And the person who said Bush did this so he could start a war is completely off. Bush said Iraq had nuclear weapons [which of course they didn't] and thus he invaded them, and we've been there ever since helping people, who, at least the majority of, don't want our help, and we're causing the situation over there to be much more hostile and much worse than it has to be, though that's off the topic of the debate, so I'll stop there.

[Nihilus]

Did you know that some of the alleged highjackers are still alive. Didn't the buildings that got hit with the planes look like that collapsed look like controlled demolition.

[Techno Monster]

I am so tired of hearing about 9/11 and these conspiracy theories. People don't have anything better to do so they create a theory that all terrorist attacks were orchestrated by the government.

Agreed, 9/11 was 7 years ago conspiracy theorists need to STOP THINKING ABOUT IT! I DO NOT mean to offend anyone by saying that.

I personally think that bush is stupid enough to kill thousands of people, so in my book it is slightly possible.

The thing is, what happened 7 years ago happened, period.
America needs to move on, I'm not saying that we shouldn't have anniversaries, or anything, but we shouldn't bring it up and compare it to other worldly disasters either.

[theOperaGhost]

I personally think that it is bullshit to think the 9/11 is a conspiracy. If you hate our government so much that you think they did this to themselves, get the fuck out, go live under another government in some other country. I agree with Adam completely on this. He made a very good post. Rep + for him! And to add something, the reason I feel Bush went to war with Iraq was because he wanted to finish his father's war. Very stupid in my opinion. Do your own damn thing, not what your father did.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Do lemmings run off the cliff and commit suicide? Yes! Do they have a leader that leads them too it? No they do it on there on, I think something must have happened but its wasnt an conspiracy. Now my third hand is conspiring against me.

[0=]

It's a sign...lemmings kill themselves to control their population; we must do the same :rolleyes:

[Antares]

Okay first off, W.T.F.?

Those three points were horrible ideas in my opinion because I have seen the video over and over again from news crews, personal cameras, security cameras, etc. and it is definitely not the case.

What are your thoughts about 9/11 and do you think that the government conspired against America just to start a new war? Or, that these were terrorist attacks against America?

I think that maybe Bush set out to get a little money and it kinda back fired...(Fahrenheit 9/11)
However, the "Or, that these were terrorist attacks against America" is definitely true. We can't deny that these attacks were not preconceived and they were not basically hate crimes almost to kill innocent lives.

[Sapphire]

Sorry to be pedantic, but lemmings don't commit mass suicide. It is a dreadful example to use.

[0=]

Sorry to be pedantic, but lemmings don't commit mass suicide. It is a dreadful example to use.

Actually, they do, just not by choice.

"While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat[5]. On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes them to jump off the cliff and start swimming, sometimes to exhaustion and death. Lemmings are also often pushed into the sea as more and more lemmings arrive at the shore. [6]"(Snipped from Wikipedia).

[Sapphire]

That isnt mass suicide. They die while migrating, not by purposefully drowning themselves.

[0=]

Eh, unintentional mass suicide. They're still killing themselves, regardless of why they're doing it or if they intended to, so it's not a completely invalid comparison, but it isn't the best, either. Maybe a comparison to cults would be more appropriate? I don't even know why I'm arguing the point, it was obviously said in a joking manner in the first place.

[Camazotz]

Back on topic, I don't think 9/11 is a conspiracy. Even someone as dumb as Bush wouldn't order people to attack his own country.

[josh92]

Im only going to answer this question with yes. I will get to hyper if i go into why just watch the video "lose change" ill post it on here tomorow. That video is a real wake up call

[Sugaree]

Im only going to answer this question with yes. I will get to hyper if i go into why just watch the video "lose change" ill post it on here tomorow. That video is a real wake up call

The people that actually think that the second worse moment in our contries history is nothing but a scam set on by Bush are leftwing nutjobs that don't have anything better to do then to bash and flame our government.

Now, I can see why they would because the government has made bad decisions but why would they do this when they know people would think they were conspiring against America?

[theOperaGhost]

Someone else already mentioned this, but I'll just reiterate. Why in the fuck would our own government do that? It would trash their reputation in the WORLD. It makes it look like we can't defend ourselves. And it would just make our country look like shit. I just think anyone who comes up with conspiracy stories for 9/11 and the people who believe them, should seriously get a life. If those people don't like our government so much, why don't they just get the fuck out of the country then. Those people just really piss me off and really need to fuck off. Sorry, Josh.

[Muffins]

Did you know that some of the alleged highjackers are still alive. Didn't the buildings that got hit with the planes look like that collapsed look like controlled demolition.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition?

You'd have to be some sort of a$$hat to belive this bullcrap

seriously its not logical.

stuipid left-wing a$$hats they hav nothin beter 2 do :rolleyes:

[jaja]

Do You Actually Think The US Goverment Cares About Its People? LOL If You Do, Money Makes The World Go Round Regardless Of How Many Lives It Takes To Get It.

[theOperaGhost]

But attacking our own country wouldn't get us any money... The government might not care about it's people (which it does for the most part), but it DOES care about it's reputation in the world.

[jaja]

But attacking our own country wouldn't get us any money... The government might not care about it's people (which it does for the most part), but it DOES care about it's reputation in the world.

Actually On This Situation It Is, Our Troops Are In Iraq Looking For Oil. If You Thought We Were Looking For Weapons Of Mass Destruction Shame On You.And Exactly The US DOES Care About Their Reputation Which Is Why They Are Covering This Incident Up As A Terrorist Attack.

[theOperaGhost]

If the US cared about their reputation, why the fuck would they attack their own country. To go invade a country that didn't even have anything to do with the attacks. The reason Bush went to Iraq is because his father couldn't win there back in the early 90s.

[jaja]

They Attacked Their Own Country To Make It Look Like They Had A Reason To Go To Iraq.
Ok Maybe Bush Did Go Their To Gain Glory For His Father But, Do You Think He Is Gonna Go On Tv And Tell The People Of The US And More Importantly His Soldiers That We Are Going To Iraq For His Father? I Think Not.

[sabin22]

i just saw the south park epidsode on this

[theOperaGhost]

They Attacked Their Own Country To Make It Look Like They Had A Reason To Go To Iraq.
Ok Maybe Bush Did Go Their To Gain Glory For His Father But, Do You Think He Is Gonna Go On Tv And Tell The People Of The US And More Importantly His Soldiers That We Are Going To Iraq For His Father? I Think Not.

How would that be a reason to go to Iraq? Iraq had nearly nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. We should have focused on Afghanistan and finding Bin Laden. Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 terrorist attacks. There have been many stated reasons why we went to Iraq. One is the weapons of mass destruction bullshit. Another is to help free the people from Saddam's tyranny and to help rebuild their government. I just think Bush wanted to finish the war his father couldn't.

So, anyway, it's rather ignorant to say the we attacked our own country just to invade Iraq, when Iraq has never even been blamed on the terrorist attacks. It's just horseshit.

[Shpadoinkle]

i just saw the south park epidsode on this
To everyone: Watch and learn (http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103775/)

[byee]

Eventhough this is the dreaded debate forum, one I have solemly sworn not to participte in b/c so many confuse yelling at eachother with true debate, I have to jump in here, as a Proud Native New Yorker who remembers that horrible day vividly.

A lot of innocent people lost their lives that day, about 3500. Regular people, moms and dads, sisters and brothers, other people's children, just got up and went to work like they do on any other day. And were murdered.

We've all seen the videos of the planes crashing into the buildings countless times, we've all seen the evidence (and result) of what happened. Two things that the news reports couldn't show was the smell. And the thin coating of dust that covered every crack and crevice of lower Manhattan.

It's hard to describe both, not just b/c of the actual putrid smell, but, of course, what the mind tends to ascribe those smells and dust to: The remains of 3500 Moms and Dads.

There's no doubt that the murders that day were committed by Islamist fanatics, the idea that our gov't actually would murder 3500 citizens is not only preposterous, but rather offensive to the survivors of that horrible day. We have the eidence, the names of the attackers, the manifestos they left behind. There have been countless scientific studies about the 'hows and whys' the bldgs. collapsed the way they did. There's really no 'debate' here, it's all been well documented.

There's a lot wrong with the US gov't and it's hapless foreign policy, but let's seperate our personal feelings and unresolved issues about bad authority from fact. For the sake of the survivors, and those of us that remember the smell.

[Sugaree]

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition?

You'd have to be some sort of a$$hat to belive this bullcrap

seriously its not logical.

stuipid left-wing a$$hats they hav nothin beter 2 do :rolleyes:

Exactly. If this was really controlled demolition then it would be very obvious.

Do You Actually Think The US Goverment Cares About Its People? LOL If You Do, Money Makes The World Go Round Regardless Of How Many Lives It Takes To Get It.

They may not care about the people as much as they say they do, but they do care about their reputation and you're right, they think that getting money would be the best way to increase reputation while the average American citizen is struggling just to get by every day and they do nothing to stop it.

Ok, if you haven't read the book "World Trade Center" then you would know that if the government HAD conspired against their own country than they should have put the cost of money that they just wasted in building these two massive towers that cost so much money (over 1 billion I think).

i just saw the south park epidsode on this

Ok sabin, south park has nothing to do with this. This is another thing I'm pissed the fuck off about it about how people get all their damn conspiracy theories from shows like south park or any other show on TV. Of course, I'm a south park fan and I am NOT a fan of that episode because it offended me on many levels.

Just because you watched the south park episode about 9/11 means NOTHING. You need to learn by studying the footage and the eye witness reports and of the eye witness reports from the very few NYFD and NYPD officials that were able to survive something like this and then you can really know what the is all about.

And SAM, you are right on the ball for this. You've just explained what it was like. You're right that the cameras couldn't capture what it was like to be caught up in smoke and dust with the smell of dead bodies around you and burning ashes. You said that you were a true blood New Yorker and witnessed what happened and, if you are being honest, no one can deny what you've said.

[jaja]

Exactly. If this was really controlled demolition then it would be very obvious.



They may not care about the people as much as they say they do, but they do care about their reputation and you're right, they think that getting money would be the best way to increase reputation while the average American citizen is struggling just to get by every day and they do nothing to stop it.

Ok, if you haven't read the book "World Trade Center" then you would know that if the government HAD conspired against their own country than they should have put the cost of money that they just wasted in building these two massive towers that cost so much money (over 1 billion I think).



Ok sabin, south park has nothing to do with this. This is another thing I'm pissed the fuck off about it about how people get all their damn conspiracy theories from shows like south park or any other show on TV. Of course, I'm a south park fan and I am NOT a fan of that episode because it offended me on many levels.

Just because you watched the south park episode about 9/11 means NOTHING. You need to learn by studying the footage and the eye witness reports and of the eye witness reports from the very few NYFD and NYPD officials that were able to survive something like this and then you can really know what the is all about.

And SAM, you are right on the ball for this. You've just explained what it was like. You're right that the cameras couldn't capture what it was like to be caught up in smoke and dust with the smell of dead bodies around you and burning ashes. You said that you were a true blood New Yorker and witnessed what happened and, if you are being honest, no one can deny what you've said.

Although They Spent 1 Billion Dollars On Building The World Trade Center They Lost No Money Because An Insurance Policy (5 Billion Dollars) Was Put On The Building Just 2 Days Before The Attack Specifically Protecting It From Terrorist Attacks.So To Be Truthful They Gained Money Rather Than Lost Which Goes Back To What I Said Money Makes The World Go Round.

Got That From The Lose Change Video. You Should Watch It

[The Batman]

On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.
The partners' winning bid was $3.2 billion for holdings estimated to be worth more than $8 billion. JP Morgan Chase, a prestigious investment-bank that's the flagship firm of its kind for Rockefeller family interests, advised the Port Authority, another body long influenced by banker and builder David Rockefeller, his age then 85, in the negotiations.
The lead partner and spokesperson for the winning bidders, Larry Silverstein, age 70, already controlled more than 8 million square feet of New York City real estate. WTC 7 and the nearby Equitable Building were prime among these prior holdings. Larry Silverstein also owned Runway 69, a nightclub in Queens that was alleged 9 years ago to be laundering money made through sales of Laotian heroin.

To bad the governement didn't own the World Trade Centers.

[LoneWanderer]

I have seen so many conspiracy theories about 911 i nearly believed them at one point but there is no real reason for the government to do it, i mean they got no oil from invading Iraq. In the words of south park * NOT ME * 911 was caused by a 'bunch of pissed off Muslims'

[Sugaree]

Well, South Park was right in that quote. These terrorist did not like the freedom we had. It was mainly the freedom of religion that we have, when they can't have that over in their country. The soul purpose of commiting these attacks against the country were to 1. Strike fear in our minds and finally realize we aren't safe and 2. To take down the symbols of American power, in this case the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

Now, if United 93 didn't crash in Penn. then it would have surely gone into the White House or the Capital Building.

[The Batman]

No they didn't attack us because of the freedom that we have. They attacked us because in their mind it was the right thing to do. They were raised birth thinking that U.S.A was the enemy and an evil country. So by attacking us in their minds they thought that they were attacking evil. A lot of people hate them because of it but I feel sorry for them.