Abortion

[kolte]

why do i support abortion? becasue, and I have no clue who i'm quoting here, but I support it fully:

"........Nobody wins when our youth are condemned to a life of poverty on a welfare system that cannot support them. America needs more families, not single mothers...."

its well said i think. *bows* and with that I'm out

[redcar]

well i would be in favour for abortion under certain circumstances but to tie in with your quote we cant tell from pregnancy who would be the problems in our society, but i do believe abortion should be allowed in circumstances such as rape etc.

[Angel with Wings of Tears]

agree'd also, if it would be an unhealthy child that would live a painful life, thats just so horrible so as the child may kill themselves =/ depending on what happens so many variables but, wouldnt stem cell research be apart of this as well?

[rAp iS MuSiC]

i agree that under certain circumstances abortion is ok, but when people have abortions because tests show that the baby's iq isnt going to be high or because the baby is not the sex that they want, then its murder

[Elokyn]

I don't believe in partial birth abortion.....aborting a baby so awfully when it could be born right at that moment healthy and fine. To wait that long is just insane. Not to mention the cruel way they do it.

[Jedi]

YEAH IT'S SICK!

I knew this girl that got pregnant at 13, and she had an abortion cos she didnt want her mum to find out, and a week after the abortion, her mum (she was a paraplegic) died. so that was very coincedental

[redcar]

YEAH IT'S SICK!

I knew this girl that got pregnant at 13, and she had an abortion cos she didnt want her mum to find out, and a week after the abortion, her mum (she was a paraplegic) died. so that was very coincedental

i dont believe that had anything wat so ever do with her abortion, that girls mother would have died anyway. and even if she didnt have the abortion she would be left motherless and with a child. abortion in these circumstances are right, people of this age should never have kids, they are only kids themselves.

[kolte]

YEAH IT'S SICK!

I knew this girl that got pregnant at 13, and she had an abortion cos she didnt want her mum to find out, and a week after the abortion, her mum (she was a paraplegic) died. so that was very coincedental

as you said, very coincedental lol

[roxy_lolol]

I completely disagree but I respect your beliefs. Abortion is cruel and basically murder. And nobody should try to tell you that the baby's can't feel the pain because of course they can. If you learn properly about all the different abortion techniques you will see how sick it is. But that's just my opinion

[Underage_Thinker]

Do you realize this thread is over 2 years old and most of the members that have posted in it are no longer members of VT. I saw the name kolte under thread starter and am like WTF. O ya and to the person who did bring this thread back from the dead what if the mother would undoubtedly die if she gave birth, or if she was raped?

[mynameisjane]

abortion is wrong. it doesnt matter if you are raped or too young to have a child. adoption is always an option. you can even legally abandon your newborn child in a hospital in the state of california, no questions asked.
and who are you to decide whether or not to let a human live or die? what if your mother told you today that she has no money to take care of you and she doesnt want you to live a life of poverty so she's going to be nice and kill you?
life is a beautiful thing. as long as you can keep the baby alive and healthy and give them lots of love, thats all they need to be happy. if you have no money to keep a child alive, then either get financial support from the government or give the child up to a couple who want a child but werent lucky enough to have the ability to make one themself.
people have commited suicide after an abortion. unless youre a serial killer, ending the life of your child is a guilt that you'd live with for the rest of you life.
the only exception i suppose would be if the baby gets brain damage and will never be able to think for itself, or as a last resort if a mother is probably going to lose her life giving birth. but killing someone because youve made a stupid mistake like deciding not to use a condom is not right.

[MoveAlong]

I'm still willing to argue, at least we don't have to create a new thread! :D

people have commited suicide after an abortion. unless youre a serial killer, ending the life of your child is a guilt that you'd live with for the rest of you life.

This is a generalization and not all people do it. It's their own choice what is done with their body. Also, life IS a beautiful thing, but there should be rights to get second chances if the circumstances would mean that the baby would either be deformed or go into a household that is deemed unfit due to poverty or other reason. (please don't counter that with the gay adoption I'm about to bring up)

Now, not aborting might be good if the baby is healthy and can be given up for adoption. But this raises the point that the baby should be able to be adopted by a gay couple - the child could live a normal life and can be set as an example and slowly help society accept gays. Accepting a baby into a gay family is not a crime and should not hurt the baby - two fathers or two mothers are extremely fit to raise the baby because they are humans in a loving relationship and care about the child.

There should also be a legal limit of when adoption is permitted unless under extreme or special circumstances. Adoption should be regulated, not allowed whenever : /

[Underage_Thinker]

abortion is wrong. it doesnt matter if you are raped
so your telling me that if a 15 year old girl was brutally raped and became pregnant she should have to bear the child? Not only the terrible emotionally pain that would probably cause but the possibility of medical complications that could result in the death of this girl. But hey, who cares its her fault anyway stupid bitch shouldn't have gotten raped in the first place. That is basically what i am hearing from you and it is so increadably ignorant and close minded i don't even know how to debate that, other than to say no your wrong.

[mynameisjane]

to movealong: no, not all of them commit suicide, but most people who get abortions regret it. like i said, yeah, a baby should be aborted if their is a brain problem and the baby will never ever be able to care for his/herself.
i agree, gay couples should be able to adopt. and there are regulations about where a baby goes to. theres a long waiting list for people who want to adopt a child.

to underage thinker: a 15 year old can, in most cases, bear a child with little medical complications. and i would give my life before i killed a baby. and if she was raped, she should have gone to the hospital and taken the morning after pill within 48 hours. if she didnt, whether or not its her fault, the right thing to do would be to have the baby. sure it will be hard but the child didnt do anything, it shouldnt have to die. just because you have emotional problems doesnt mean you can kill an innocent person, you get help from a therapist.

i'm not ignorant because i know about abortion and rape. no, i dont think murder is right, does that make me close minded?

[MoveAlong]

You're good at handling yourself, mynameisjane =]

no, i dont think murder is right, does that make me close minded?

I don't think it's murder if it's the first 2 months. It would be definatley wrong after like 5, and 2ish should be a limit, but not a couple of days in my opinion :santa:

[kolte]

cough....cough....*

well, i haven't been to this site in well.....a while, to say the least. but, my views on this topic have not changed at least. Abortion is between the mother and her unborn baby. Its not an easy choice to make, and until you have yourself been confronted with the decision, i think you have little to say in regards to it. Life is full of difficult decisions, and though i wouldn't say i myself would find it fitting to abort my child, i do support a womans right to do so, in cases where its life threatening, or perhaps if she would have to raise a child alone in a world thats already too lonely.

anyways, hello everyone, I'm back........from time to time....maybe

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[MoveAlong]

dear god, the poison didn't work! O_O! He's back (and he won't remember who I am)! Ahhhhh

[Aηdy]

Holy shit Kolte!! Welcome back!!! :shock:!!!

[mynameisjane]

and why is it that its the mother's decision? the father created it to, but its like he has no say in the matter at all.
and i think when a baby is just a couple days old, even though it doesnt look human yet, it still has a heartbeat and dna that will map how it will look for the next 80 or so years and endless potential.

[kolte]

Yes, but nobody said the father had no choice in the matter. Though its not the law or anything, abortion is usually decided by both members of the relationship. Its no other persons right to intervene. Whatever decision they make is up to them. Its not like the motives are cruel or anything.

[Underage_Thinker]

I still find it incredibly hard to believe that you don't think it's right for a mother to have a abortion if she was Raped, you want to live in a world were little girls and grown women have to carry around a constant reminder of their rape for 9 months.
At a couple days old the baby does not think or feel pain. It for the most part does not even have a brain. It is just a group cells(i believe stem cells) that are multiplying together. If you were to take it outside the mother it would die. You talk about this baby as having a heartbeat, but a baby's heartbeat only begins to beat faintly during it's second month of growth.


O ya Welcome back Kolte! :D

[mynameisjane]

i was told theres a heartbeat as soon as soon as its concieved. but now that i think about it, it doesnt sound right. oh well, my apologies. it doesnt matter that the baby doesnt feel pain. you still keep a human being from living.

like i said, if she was raped, she shouldve gone to the hospital and taken the morning after pill within 48 hours. and thats not killing because a babys not concieved yet. whether or not she's pregnant, a rape is still traumatic. killing the baby doesnt mean it never happened. it wouldnt be easy to carry the baby for nine months, but its the right thing to do. its the brave thing to do. she's most likely going to end up having a baby later, she might as well let one be born now. and when she sees how wonderful having children is, she'll always have that regret of having killed one of them. most people regret getting an abortion. have you ever heard someone say, "man, i'm so glad i got an abortion"

[MoveAlong]

i was told theres a heartbeat as soon as soon as its concieved. but now that i think about it, it doesnt sound right. oh well, my apologies. it doesnt matter that the baby doesnt feel pain. you still keep a human being from living.

I don't think that's a valid argument because that's exactly what the Pill does, a condom does and what abstinence does.

most people regret getting an abortion.

That's their own fault and it's not your right or the government's right to possibly prevent that guilt.

like i said, if she was raped, she shouldve gone to the hospital and taken the morning after pill within 48 hours.

I think the time should be more than that.

[mynameisjane]

a condom, the pill, and abstinence prevent a baby from being created. but abortion is killing a baby. and it should be illegal because murder is wrong. and youre suppose to go to the hospital within 48 hours or you lose the evidence of rape. i dont see why anyone would want to wait more than 48 hours.

[MoveAlong]

Good point, thanks :D
Altho I do see why people would wait that long. Maybe because they change their mind or were drunk and didn't remember that they had intercorse.
I don't think it's murder if it's done before the baby is beyond a certain development stage.

[mynameisjane]

i think something that just a few days old has the same potential as something thats 9 months old. even though it doesnt look like one yet, its still a baby. the only excusse i can think of for not going to the hospital 48 hours after you were raped is if you're held against your will. getting drunk is not an excuse. its irresponsible to put yourself in a situation where you endanger yourself.

[theonetheycallbob]

I'm sorry for such a stuborn point of view, but I find NO situations where abortion is proper. Abortion is killing a human being. You may argue that its not a full human being until the fetus is 7 weeks or whatever, I dont care. Killing a human, or what will become a human is murder. I understand that it could be extremly embarassing for a women who got raped to carry the baby, but adoption after the baby is born, or keeping the baby is way better then murdering it. (which by the way is a sin, in the christans eyes. not trying to force religion on anyone)

[MoveAlong]

I just don't see it as murder. Potential is lost every day. Besides, it should be the couple/mothers decision whether or not she can support the baby.

I don't see it as murder and you can't tell me otherwise. Sure, it might be somewhat living, but I don't think that's enough based on circumstances.

[kolte]

yeah well, thankfully, its legal, and it will stay that way.

[Rawrbaby]

abortions r wrong thats just taking an innocent unborn life that is as innocent as it gets one of those kids could have been a doctor the president find a cure for aids and cance that is just wrong abortions are just wrong but that is just my oppinion

[MoveAlong]

Potential is killed every day by poverty, abuse and by those people making wrong decisions (gambling, getting drunk or drugs etc). I say let it go :huh:

[kolte]

abortions r wrong thats just taking an innocent unborn life that is as innocent as it gets one of those kids could have been a doctor the president find a cure for aids and cance that is just wrong abortions are just wrong but that is just my oppinion

Our country is plagued with broken families. Humankind relies on families to rear children, and with millions of single mothers and single fathers working long hours to support their child(ren), often times, children lack important skills and mental development. I think its important to have families, thats why I support abortions. Its not going to help anybody if millions of young unwed teenage mothers are all the family there is.

Control of your own life. That is the capitalist ideal. You control your destiny, and when the forecast looks grim, its comforting knowing you have the option to have a family when you feel the time is right.

[Everglow]

I believe that abortions should only be tolerable when a woman’s pregnancy is characterized by detrimental health factors.

I believe that if a pregnancy is inclusive of detrimental health factors that threaten the life of the woman, the pregnancy should have the ability to be terminated, for it is my opinion that two organisms, mother and fetus, should not be left to die if one can be saved.

The main justifications for my reasoning are that the fetus has no legitimate right to be a part of the woman’s body; additionally, the relationship between the fetus and its mother is one that is parasitic in nature. In addition, a universal ban against abortion would merit many negative effects in society.

[marine_sniperman35]

uhh ok...but that quote is directly contradicting the meaning of life itself. Wouldn't you rather have a child and let it have a chance of life rather than make a decision for it by killing it off? Do you even know how the abortion process is done?

I am Pro-life. Abortion is WRONG. I swear if I ever get a kid by mistake in my teen years I would rather be a teen father then abort the baby. What happens in the process you ask? Well they cut mommy open...and then they cut the baby into pieces by hands and feet if it is more than 5 months old. I would rather my Child live on the streets then not live at all. I would rather my child be beat every day by a local gang or school bully than not have chance to stick up for himself/herself and not have a chance at life at all. I would rather my child live than die.

[Serenity]

Aaaaaand adding my 2 cents.

I'm sorry, Zach, but this is one place I'm going to have to disagree with you.

It is not our right, as human beings, to decide who lives and who dies. We have several laws against it, as a matter of fact. Just because the person in question is not a fully developed person does not change that. There is a LIVING organism, and the object is to STOP it from living.

Murder. Plain and simple. Taking life from something that once had it.

There is no instance whatsoever where we have the right to take any person's life. None. Ever. Period.

If there was the chance that the baby would be born with mental problems...does that mean we have the right to line up all mentally retarded people and shoot them?

If there was the possibility that the mother would not be able to care for the baby...as has been said, waiting lines for adoption are very long.

If the mother was raped...she should realize that killing her baby would be stooping to her rapists level. She should celebrate that where there was once destruction, there is now a new life created. And even if she can't accept the baby as her own, again there are people who can only dream of having children.

If the parents are irresponsible teens...plenty of responsible adults willing to take a newborn.

And my last point- if there was a chance that the mother would not survive birthing...I believe every mother should be willing to risk her life for her children, born or unborn, no questions asked. That is just my belief.

No, I have never found and still can't find any instance where abortion is proper or necessary. It is wrong.

Alright. That's my 2 cents.

[kolte]

when you beat off you kill millions of potential presidents. murderer.

[Mannequin]

I hardly call an fetus living, Valerie.
We kill animals, yet we are animals.

[Booman5]

Abortion is a very heated argument because there is no clear moral standpoint to take. On one hand if you abort a baby you could be killing a human, on the other you may be stopping years of suffering and pain.

Personally I think abortion should only be permitted if they know the child has some horrible disease, or development, was conceived in rape, or is going to be born into a world of poverty, drugs, and pain.

Abortion is a tricky subject and I believe that we should be focusing on why the need for abortion arises and solving these issues. However I have shown my stance on the issue, because we live in a world where there is a need for such a thing as abortion, however unfortunate it may seem.

[Fiending_the_freedom]

Murder. Plain and simple. Taking life from something that once had it.
plants are living>.>

There is no instance whatsoever where we have the right to take any person's life. None. Ever. Period. j.w does that mean you dont belive in the death penilty even for serial killers?

If there was the chance that the baby would be born with mental problems...does that mean we have the right to line up all mentally retarded people and shoot
i agree with you there


If the mother was raped...she should realize that killing her baby would be stooping to her rapists level.
rappests and murders and not the same thing


And my last point- if there was a chance that the mother would not survive birthing...I believe every mother should be willing to risk her life for her children, born or unborn, no questions asked. That is just my belief.
so if she was just jumped one day and raped and left pregnant shes suppose to risk her life because some pervert randomly chose her?


No, I have never found and still can't find any instance where abortion is proper or necessary. It is wrong.
even if it was her dad or brother?

also anyone who is strongly anti abortion should also be a vegitarian.

[Prince Jellyfish]

XGeekxInxDisguiseX is my hero.
=D

[monkeypee13]

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[Serenity]

It's their body, but the life they're taking isn't theirs. They have no right whatsoever over the life of anyone, especially an innocent child who deserves the opportunity to live.

[Prince Jellyfish]

It's their body, but the life they're taking isn't theirs. They have no right whatsoever over the life of anyone, especially an innocent child who deserves the opportunity to live.

As minors they have less rights...Substantially.

[Serenity]

LESS RIGHTS???

You're saying that an unborn child, who has done nothing, hasn't had the CHANCE to do anything, has so little rights they don't have the right to LIVE??

Who are you, who is ANYONE, to deny a human being the right to live??? WHO???

[Octo22]

LESS RIGHTS???

You're saying that an unborn child, who has done nothing, hasn't had the CHANCE to do anything, has so little rights they don't have the right to LIVE??

Who are you, who is ANYONE, to deny a human being the right to live??? WHO???

Just like to throw this quick stat at you.

Year 1: Abortion Legalized
Year 2: Crime Rate Goes Up.
Year 3: Crime Rate Goes Up.
Year 4: Crime Rate Goes Up.
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Year 14: Crime Rate Goes Down.

Why? Billions of parents under the poverty line got abortions and stopped future criminals from being born.

I hate to say it, but the people who usually have unprotected sex, are the people whom live in trailer parks, etc. And if you'd like my statistic backed up. Read Freakonomics.

Crime rate has hit all time lows since Abortion was legalized. I'm all for it.

Should it be used as a replacement for condoms? GOD NO. I think it should only be used in the most dire of consequences.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Just like to throw this quick stat at you.

Year 1: Abortion Legalized
Year 2: Crime Rate Goes Up.
Year 3: Crime Rate Goes Up.
Year 4: Crime Rate Goes Up.
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Year 14: Crime Rate Goes Down.

Why? Billions of parents under the poverty line got abortions and stopped future criminals from being born.

I hate to say it, but the people who usually have unprotected sex, are the people whom live in trailer parks, etc. And if you'd like my statistic backed up. Read Freakonomics.

Crime rate has hit all time lows since Abortion was legalized. I'm all for it.

Should it be used as a replacement for condoms? GOD NO. I think it should only be used in the most dire of consequences.


I've read Freakonomics, Octo, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. =]
Besides, that further backs up MY belief that abortion is a humane alternative.

[Serenity]

So you're saying every single unwanted unborn child should be killed because someday they're going to be a criminal.

That's really nice, I'm sure society is going to turn out GREAT with that kind of attitude. No. REALLY.

[Palm kid]

well wat about the normal kids that grow up to be crimnals u r basically sayin that all fetuss shud be aborted for threat of them becomming corrupted

[Prince Jellyfish]

So you're saying every single unwanted unborn child should be killed because someday they're going to be a criminal.

That's really nice, I'm sure society is going to turn out GREAT with that kind of attitude. No. REALLY.

No, he's not.

What it's important to grasp here is that many women seek adoption because they cannot support the child.
Oh, and before you even mention adoption let me just say that most of these children ARE NOT adopted and many end up being thrown around from foster home to foster home. In fact, many of these children end up abused. I'd wanna commit a crime or two if I was abused =D

Seriously, sometimes it's just the lesser of two evils.

[Serenity]

No, he's not.

What it's important to grasp here is that many women seek adoption because they cannot support the child.

...where in all of that did either of you mention adoption because women can't support the children? Because I read, "When there are more abortions there are less criminals."

Oh, and before you even mention adoption let me just say that most of these children ARE NOT adopted and many end up being thrown around from foster home to foster home. In fact, many of these children end up abused. I'd wanna commit a crime or two if I was abused =D

And I'm assuming you've got some proof of this? Statistics, figures that SHOW the majority children given up for adoption don't find permanent homes and instead suffer from abuse?

Seriously, sometimes it's just the lesser of two evils.

The lesser of two evils. How much more evil can you be than taking away that which cannot be defended? One of the most heinous crimes is the killing of a child. How is this different? And it still doesn't change the fact that NO ONE has the right to decide who lives or dies. PERIOD

[Fiending_the_freedom]

The point is, there are so many things going on in the world where people are deciding who gets to live or die.
the war in iraq,
the death penitly.
putting down animals.(lol ok not people but still cute kittes and puppies:(

abortion is the least of our worries, at least there lies a good reason behind it.
yes maybe you consider it murder, but it saves the life of someone who already has one started.
a teenage mother drops out of school to give birth, maybe not even to be able to catch up, which ruins her future.
a teenage father having to pay child support drops out of school to get a full time job becase he cant afford an education and the payments.
these people are already started in life, and abortion gives them a second chance to save it.

[Serenity]

And if the child was already born, but the *of course* teenage parents suffer the same hardships and responsibilities, can they just shoot the child?

It is. The. Same. Thing.

[Palm kid]

i cwat ur trying to say but those fetus's being aborted cud be the ones resolving and bring peace to iraq or the ones preventing the need for a death penalty
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also not to start a new convo but the war in iraq is not a secision of who lives and who dies and if we nvr started it there wud be thousands upon thousands of more deaths to us and peaceful nations around the world repitition after repition of the world trade center incedentt
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and those put to the death penalty HAD A LIFE but took another or many others therefore they had their chance ,and after some one has had there chance is when the shud face the consequences

[Palm kid]

the comment was directed to geek in diguise

[Serenity]

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also not to start a new convo but the war in iraq is not a secision of who lives and who dies and if we nvr started it there wud be thousands upon thousands of more deaths to us and peaceful nations around the world repitition after repition of the world trade center incedentt
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and those put to the death penalty HAD A LIFE but took another or many others therefore they had their chance ,and after some one has had there chance is when the shud face the consequences

...completely and totally unrelated....also could you please put a bit more effort into spelling? Your posts are really difficult to understand

[Palm kid]

i will definitley work on that :)

[Serenity]

Thanks :daisy:

[Octo22]

And I'm assuming you've got some proof of this? Statistics, figures that SHOW the majority children given up for adoption don't find permanent homes and instead suffer from abuse?

Hating to say it, Freakonomics, again. It really is an amazing insightful book.

Besides, 3 of my best friends are street kids. There parents couldn't handle them at young ages, they got tossed around a lot, beatin a few times. To the point they hate the system, never got an education, etc.

And yes these boys are pro-abortion too. I talked to one of them about this topic and he said I quote here from msn "If abortion saves even one kid from going through th shit ive seen, do it."

They'll even joke saying that they should've been aborted.

I dunno, I've been surrounded by it my whole life, and seen the downsides to adoption. I know I'm biased in that extent and am grateful for my best friend.

But the average mother/parents who have a child, don't want to do the process of adoption, especially after it's born / they see it.

This leads to them giving it a shitty lifestyle of dropout parents with no real education. Surrounded by this lifestyle, it becomes a norm, criminal / lower class gets larger.

Edit: and yes, I'll go here. What about the mother who's brutally raped and becomes pregnant? Now if you go and say "well she deserves to kill the baby, etc. etc." how in God's name, would we prove who was raped / not?

[Prince Jellyfish]

And I'm assuming you've got some proof of this? Statistics, figures that SHOW the majority children given up for adoption don't find permanent homes and instead suffer from abuse?





Yeah, my dad was the head of a non-profit group that helped kids get out of bad foster homes. They also helped kids get away from abusive biological parents. One kids father nearly scalded him to death when he was 3. The older a child is the less likely they are to find a home. Even less likely if they aren't a girl. And even LESS like if they aren't white. There are a tone of these kids out there. They're miserable, trust me.

[boognish]

my veiw on abortion is that some one whose got a good life, is happy, and has more than enough to live off, should not be allowed an abortion. An abortion should be for those women who do more harm then good to the child by letting it go to full term. and i do mean it, i believe a child isnt human until late into the pregnancy, before then its a petri dish of cells, capable of becoming a human.

Also on a side note, if abortion was made illegal, shouldnt miscarages from then on be considered manslaughter? i mean, if abortion is murder, then accidental death of an unborn child should be the same as an accidental death of an adult. do you really want to lock up mothers who made a mistake and lost a child the wanted?

my veiws are odd, i am a republican

[Serenity]

Also on a side note, if abortion was made illegal, shouldnt miscarages from then on be considered manslaughter? i mean, if abortion is murder, then accidental death of an unborn child should be the same as an accidental death of an adult. do you really want to lock up mothers who made a mistake and lost a child the wanted?

No?? Manslaughter is accidental murder, not accidental death. And I don't want to lock up anyone, I want to prevent the killing of innocent children.

Octo- so because 3 of your friends were born into abusive families, no other unwanted children should be born. Ever. Because of course the same thing is going to happen to them. Definitely. Without a doubt. Life is automatically going to be miserable for them.

And the brutal rape of a woman, while traumatic and too terrible for words, DOES NOT give her the right to take the life of another human being! NOTHING gives you that right! Just like nothing gives a man the right to rape that woman. You CANNOT fight evil with evil.

Prince- Not all of them are miserable, children still get adopted. And they should all be given the chance to be. You can't just say, "Well, most kids don't find a home so why bother trying?" That's cruel and inhumane. Everyone deserves a chance. Everyone deserves the opportunity to live. Period. No. Questions. Asked.

[Octo22]

Wow. Just wow.

No?? Manslaughter is accidental murder, not accidental death.

Since when is Manslaughter accidental murder? Having taken every law class my school has to offer: Manslaughter is when you kill someone in the heat of the moment. You need to prove you weren't clear headed and were provoked. (i.e., Wife cheating on you, in heat of rage you kill her).

There is no charge for accidental murder, because it's just that. Accidental. (Although it's reverse onus on the accidental bit)


Octo- so because 3 of your friends were born into abusive families, no other unwanted children should be born. Ever. Because of course the same thing is going to happen to them. Definitely. Without a doubt. Life is automatically going to be miserable for them

Stastics say the majority will have this shit lifestyle. So because a minority lead good lives the majority should suffer? Yes, I just turned your own logic back on you there.

And the brutal rape of a woman, while traumatic and too terrible for words, DOES NOT give her the right to take the life of another human being! NOTHING gives you that right! Just like nothing gives a man the right to rape that woman. You CANNOT fight evil with evil.


Okay, this part I honestly can't believe you even said. It's unfathomable in my head how you could possibly think this way.

A man rapes you, now instead of just going through therapy and attempting to get over it; you must have his child. So that's 9 months of mental anguish, people asking "who's the father?" and you breaking into tears only to explain you were raped. Post mortum depression would most likely lead to killing the baby or suicide. The baby would live as a permanent reminder of you being raped. Oh, and if she did end up killing the baby, 5 years in jail max for infanticide, and then she'd probably lose her job and lifestyle. But yes, I completely agree with your point.

What if there was a risk of her dying from having the baby too? What if she did die? Just to protect the child of a rapist. He now murdered her too. Actually from my standpoint, the person who forbid her from abortion is the one who killed her.

I'm sorry, but to tell a raped woman that she must have the baby, is possibly one of the cruelest punishments you could put on a mother, mentally and physically, for the reasons I've listed above.

Everyone deserves the opportunity to live. Period. No. Questions. Asked.

The majority living, means that's about the only opportunity they get in life.

[Fiending_the_freedom]

Point being: even if you had it your way, and abortions were iliegal, they would still happen, but instead they would be unclean and done improperly without the tools leading to the mother and the child being killed.

[boognish]

back-ally abortionists would become very popular. also people would start doing things to cause the an abortion, i.e. having the boyfriend punch the womans stomache in the hope to abort the child.

[Prince Jellyfish]

OK, I hear a lot of people saying that abortion should be made illegal. Riddle me this: if abortions were illegal, what would be the punishment for having one???

In other words: "I'mma callin' you out!"

[boognish]

the punishment should be being forced to adopt an american orphan

[Prince Jellyfish]

the punishment should be being forced to adopt an american orphan

You're kidding...right?

[boognish]

always try to make light of a dark situation. so not really, but that punishment is pretty much the same as forcing a woman to hold a child full term when she doesnt want to. i hope you see the conection. i disagree with it completely though

[Prince Jellyfish]

ok, thanks. lol
don't worry, i get. =]
for a republican you're pretty agreeable. =D

[boognish]

it know its odd aint it? im really liberal, but im republican because i cant stand democrats, its funny that all my friends are democrats though.