United North America?

[Whisper]

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/images/una.gif

Is the 49th parallel an unmalleable line, set for all time to be the divider between two parallel worlds? Just why do the United States stop at an arbitrary line? Are we destined to be one nation under two political entities? Is what differentiates our two countries greater than what we share in common? As Europe unites, will North America stagnate and fall behind, squabbling over trivial differences? Are Canadians and Americans really so different? Would Canada stand to gain or lose in being part of a larger group of united States? Would the United States gain or lose from a United North America without borders?

"United we stand, divided we fall."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Iluminati/usa_canada.gif

The United States of America and Canada joining I love the thought of that, I really do I think it would be awesome and would help both countrys but thats me....Oh and to clear anything up Mexico isn't included....they can fuck off
Thoughts?

EDIT:
forgot the link -giggles-....sorry

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm

[nwshc]

Oh and to clear anything up Mexico isn't included....they can fuck off
Haha, coulndn't agree more.
It would be cool if we did unite, but then there would have to be many problems to work out.
All that i would ask for is that English should be the official language.

[redcar]

i know i am not american or canadian but unification cannot lead to anything good in the long term. you use the example of europe uniting, thats not a good thing. one day europe will become a country and wat were the countries will become provinces. u wud loose your sense of nationality, become an individual in a suddenly bigger world. i know it is only two countries but still i am personally against unifications along those lines.

[kolte]

I'm kinda hurt that mexico was left out. Maybe its becuase I live in Texas, but mexico has a very large affect on our culture, and I think Mexico is a great county. The people are very nice, the country has flaws, but its wonderful really. I don't judge a book by its cover, I have been thier many times, and Don't think you should be so prejudice against them

But I love the Idea of Canada and The States merging. That would be so cool.

[nwshc]

Mexico sucks cock.

[kolte]

ok, I went threw the site, and I love it so much, its such a great idea. I would be all for it. I think it would benifet us so much. and we could roam free. that would be nice.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

eh lol me and travis in history were thinking that we should just ship all the mexican people off into the sunset, aquire south america, and then merge with canada and steal their oil. 8)

[RunAwayMolly]

i perfer the idea of a united world... no countries and limits all... just unity throughout.

[RunAwayMolly]

i perfer the idea of a united world... no countries and limits all... just unity throughout.

the problem is its only an idea... creating a united world right now... things would jsut not be good... get worse...

idk...

i just think it would be wonderful if people could become peaceful and accepting enough of one another values and beliefes and spirituallity that we are all just one... not just a bunch of separate places...

[kolte]

i perfer the idea of a united world... no countries and limits all... just unity throughout.

thats what I want, a united world.

[Whisper]

Oh and to clear anything up Mexico isn't included....they can fuck off
Haha, coulndn't agree more.
It would be cool if we did unite, but then there would have to be many problems to work out.
All that i would ask for is that English should be the official language.

Dude you have noooo idea how much I agree with you!

i know i am not american or canadian but unification cannot lead to anything good in the long term. you use the example of europe uniting, thats not a good thing. one day europe will become a country and wat were the countries will become provinces. u wud loose your sense of nationality, become an individual in a suddenly bigger world. i know it is only two countries but still i am personally against unifications along those lines.

I'm all for that
Cause in all honesty America effects me so much in my day to day life everyday for my entire life that I already think of myself constantly as North American.
Whenever I turn the news on 9 times outta ten its american news i'm watching. The policys that america creates and inforces directly effects both my mum and my dads jobs it effects the entire canadian economy in an instant.
Take for example
BSE
Softwood Lumber
Our takes would be cut by 50%
The wellfair problems in the Atlantic provinces etc...
Canada provides you with more energy then anyother country in terms of power oil and gas etc..
America has a SEVER oil shortage right now they've just discovered a HUGE oil sand in alberta and we've developed the tecnology to extract and purify it.
Canada has more fresh water then anyother country on the planet
Canada has gold, diamonds, and other precious gems and metals
We have HUGE amounts of lumber
We have TONS of farm land
and America is becoming over populated where as Canada is under populated if we were to merge canada would get a huge influx of people coming in making small strugling towns big thriving citys while at the same time provinding americans with a larger country dispersing the population and taking the strain off of things such as the power grid by increasing the land of your country by roughly 104%
Besides america will get an increase of about 8 million soldiers
and it can have its missle defence program
Our countrys are allot alike the diffrences that we do have are minute and petty.
I think it's pathedic and nnnecessary i mean god Canadian, American whats the diff!

Ask any of my friends, anyone in my family I have and still am highly considering imigrating to america and joining the american air force because I know that in helping to protect America i'm protecting Canada because even threw recent strain our countrys are extremly intertwined

[nwshc]

I am starting to liek this more and more.

[serial-thrilla]

i dont think its that bad of an idea but i dont see it happening.

[kolte]

well, thats why us, the children of the future need to make it happen.

[Whisper]

well, thats why us, the children of the future need to make it happen.

Exactly!

Were the future of our countries
if we want it to happen
it'll happen

[serial-thrilla]

well maybe the majority of us dont. i mean i wouldnt want to be classified as an american/canadian im a canadian

[nwshc]

well maybe the majority of us dont. i mean i wouldnt want to be classified as an american/canadian im a canadian
Well thats a retarded reason.

[redcar]

well maybe the majority of us dont. i mean i wouldnt want to be classified as an american/canadian im a canadian
Well thats a retarded reason.


not really may god have mercy on their soul if anyone tried to classify me as anything but irish. some of us are proud of who we are. would u like to be called anything but american?

[kolte]

not really. you are allready an american canadian. canada is in north "america" the united states really just describes what we are. united states of america includes that we are located in the american hemosphere. So I wouldnt' really mind if we were called the united states of north america. or somting else like that.

[Whisper]

well maybe the majority of us dont. i mean i wouldnt want to be classified as an american/canadian im a canadian

koler's right matt tecnically Canada is located in north america already.
Which already makes us american/canadian

Besides are the scotish refered to as english/scotich? No there Scots and proud of it!

It would be no diffrent here the actuall intigration of the two countrys would happen slowly over a period of many years

But you would begin to feel the effects almost over night

taxes would be cut by 50% (that will save my fam 20,000 a year roughly not including the bussiness) but our health care would still remain very strong
Oil and gas would be cheeper so instead of people piling all of the snow in there yard against there houses in the winter because they cant afford the gas bill so there trying to insulate there home wouldnt happen anymore (I know a nice lady that was forced to do that)
The missle defence program would be initiated
Canada's handfull of submarines that are extremly old handy downs from the UK and that keep breaking down putting our sailors lives at risk would be scrapped and the brand new state of the art american subs would do the patrol our broken ones originally were.
Our millitary and there millitary would merge
The severe job shortage in provinces like Nova Scotia or New Brunswick would be fixed.
The Saskachewan economy would have allot more funding so that its extremly underfunded goverment could fix its educational and transportation problems
The HUGE job boom thats happening right now would become even stronger drawing up more people in the small struggling towns turning them into thriving citys.
The BSE and softwood lumber disputes would be fixed saving thousands of people from bankruptcy.
Increase in national security by means of a uniform continental defense perimeter, and elimination of border guards at the Canadian border, so that they may be used in more important areas (eg. airports, harbors and Mexican border).
Canadians would be part of the last remaining super power on the planet thus having a say in what happens

[Dante]

Cody, I am honestly shocked u would say that about mexico, i expect it from others but not you....why do u feel that way? or were u just joking?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

The missle defence program would be initiated



awwwwwwww hun i NEVER thought id see the day :)

hug

[Whisper]

Cody, I am honestly shocked u would say that about mexico, i expect it from others but not you....why do u feel that way? or were u just joking?

You know me dante i'm transfixed by two things
shinny objects
&
Ancient civalizations

Mexico has a BEAUTIFUL history and culture but if they join america they will severely hurt you're economy in there current state.
I'm not saying they could never join
I'm saying there not ready
They have a HORRIBLE economy
The majority are dirt poor
Wellfair would drain america dry
The health care requirments
You mine as well merge with africa (again another great country, the birth place of the human race, it also has SEVERE problems)

If canada and america merged it could make an extremly strong country from there you/we begin helping other countrys like mexico, africa, cuba w/e not saying they'd have to join but you/we could help them become more stable and prosperous

Mexico

Population: 106,202,903

Canada

Population: 32,805,041

Mexico Area:

total: 1,972,550 sq km
land: 1,923,040 sq km
water: 49,510 sq km

Canada Area:

total: 9,984,670 sq km
land: 9,093,507 sq km
water: 891,163 sq km


Mexico Economy Overview

Mexico has a free market economy that recently entered the trillion dollar class. It contains a mixture of modern and outmoded industry and agriculture, increasingly dominated by the private sector. Recent administrations have expanded competition in seaports, railroads, telecommunications, electricity generation, natural gas distribution, and airports. Per capita income is one-fourth that of the US; income distribution remains highly unequal. Trade with the US and Canada has tripled since the implementation of NAFTA in 1994. Mexico has 12 free trade agreements with over 40 countries including, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, the European Free Trade Area, and Japan, putting more than 90% of trade under free trade agreements. The government is cognizant of the need to upgrade infrastructure, modernize the tax system and labor laws, and provide incentives to invest in the energy sector, but progress is slow.

Canada Economy Overview

As an affluent, high-tech industrial society, newly entered in the trillion dollar class, Canada closely resembles the US in its market-oriented economic system, pattern of production, and affluent living standards. Since World War II, the impressive growth of the manufacturing, mining, and service sectors has transformed the nation from a largely rural economy into one primarily industrial and urban. The 1989 US-Canada Free Trade Agreement (FTA) and the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) (which includes Mexico) touched off a dramatic increase in trade and economic integration with the US. Given its great natural resources, skilled labor force, and modern capital plant Canada enjoys solid economic prospects. Solid fiscal management has produced a long-term budget surplus which is substantially reducing the national debt, although public debate continues over how to manage the rising cost of the publicly funded healthcare system. Exports account for roughly a third of GDP. Canada enjoys a substantial trade surplus with its principal trading partner, the United States, which absorbs more than 85% of Canadian exports.

Mexico

GDP (purchasing power parity): $1.006 trillion (2004 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 4.1% (2004 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $9,600 (2004 est.)

Canada:

GDP (purchasing power parity): $1.023 trillion (2004 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 2.4% (2004 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $31,500 (2004 est.)

Mexico

Labor force: 34.73 million (2004 est.)

Canada

Labor force: 17.37 million (2004)

Mexico

Population below poverty line: 40% (2003 est.)

Canada

Population below poverty line: 15.9% (2003)

Mexico

Natural resources: petroleum, silver, copper, gold, lead, zinc, natural gas, timber

Canada

Natural resources: iron ore, nickel, zinc, copper, gold, lead, molybdenum, potash, diamonds, silver, fish, timber, wildlife, coal, petroleum, natural gas, hydropower


Mexico

Oil - proved reserves: 18 billion bbl (2004 est.)

Canada

Oil - proved reserves: 178.9 billion bbl including shale oil (2004 est.)

Mexico

Natural gas - proved reserves: 420 billion cu m (2004)

Canada

Natural gas - proved reserves: 1.691 trillion cu m (2004)

Mexico Exports - partners:

US 87.6%, Canada 1.8%, Spain 1.1% (2004)

Canada Export - partners:

US 85.2%, Japan 2.1%, UK 1.6% (2004)

Mexico Imports - partners:

US 53.7%, China 7%, Japan 5.1% (2004)

Canada Imports - partners:

US 58.9%, China 6.8%, Mexico 3.8% (2004)

Long story short America can benefit from merging with Canada (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html) then it can merging with Mexico (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mx.html)
The state that mexico is currently in would hurt America severely
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/mx-map.gif

Hun my only prob with the missile defence was it took away allot of Canada's political negotiating power with America.
Now if our countries merged that prob would no longer exist would it?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya but um... who would be president? we can only have one leader ya know..

[kolte]

popular vot hopfully

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya but wed have 4 political parties and the whole canadian nation would be outvoted in a snap.. wed have to balence it somehow. maybe just consider them another state cuz they have the same pop as one? they could get 2 senators like everyone else

[Whisper]

I have no idea i'm not a politician

EDIT

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/future.htm

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

dude codesauce that doesnt include anyway of how voting would happen. maybe we should redraw all the canadian borders? the provinces are like twice as big as any single state we have, geographically it would make sense to break them up somehow. quebec has as much prestige as mexico in my point of view. they just need to be deported to some shithole island in the middle of nowhere



now CODY do your homework you horse humping whoresausage!!!!!

[Whisper]

Actually, it wouldnt be fair to Canada if Canada and America merged, then Canada came under the American government solely.

That would seem like America controlls Canada. That wouldn't be fair.

I think that America and Canada should become one

I agree

now CODY do your homework you horse humping whoresausage!!!!!

what?!?!? chhhhhh hu? chhhhh you're chhhhhhhh breaking up chhhhhhhhhhhh

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ok well if ur gunna mess around at least go on msn.

and at LEAST explain to me how two nations can seamlessly merge togeather. has this ever happened before in the history of the world? there are aquisitions, but never complete seamless integration. one country is always gunna end up retaining more of its culture... or influence rather.. than the other country. explain to me how it would work

[Whisper]

ok well if ur gunna mess around at least go on msn.

and at LEAST explain to me how two nations can seamlessly merge togeather. has this ever happened before in the history of the world? there are aquisitions, but never complete seamless integration. one country is always gunna end up retaining more of its culture... or influence rather.. than the other country. explain to me how it would work

True
But i want to make sure canada isn't takin over split up all to hell and takin advantage of either.

[Whisper]

Yea speaking of that Canada's still part of the common wealth

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

wow britain will like fucking try and come pwn us they would never let us merge like that :(

[Whisper]

What?
no!
We could either leave the Common Wealth
Or we could stay in it and when the countrys merged get the new one to be part of it aswell.

Being part of it dosent give the UK any political say over canada
It just means that we have a queen (she has zero say, can't intervene in the goverment or the runnings of the country....can't....do much at all period really) yet it gives canada very strong political relations with the UK and other common wealth countries


I like the thought of canada in it now because it means theres a better chance the United Kingdom has our back
But if canada n america merged....we wouldn't need them to watch our back

Still it'd be nice
travel is allot easier...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

think positive. our countries are already great friends :)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1701/200412014w9w7821515h2uj.jpg

cody i know u have some more lets show them off shall we

[kolte]

9. What about the Monarchy and Canada's ties to Great Britain?

The Monarchy would obviously have no place within a United North America, as it truly is an antiquated system of government that serves no real purpose in the 21st century. Furthermore, the US forbids all titles of nobility or royalty. However, ties to Britain would not be cut like a rope. Although the United States came into existence in resistance to British imperial rule, those days are long over. Most US citizens consider Britain to be their greatest ally and friend. Indeed, one could argue the US-British relationship is now stronger than the Canadian-British relationship. Union Jacks can be found all over America, and Canadian States would be welcome to retain their Union Jacks within their own State Flags (see Hawaii's State flag), as well as their British heritage.

quoted from the site unitednorthamerica.org

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

canada has no constitution. britain has no constistutin either :/

i think without any doubt in the world canada should fall under the protection of ours

[kolte]

2. Isn't this website proposing that Canada join the United States?

By definition a merger is a joining of two things, and in the case of Canada and the US this amalgamation would not be one of two equal partners like so many politicians like to claim. To some this may seem like advocating that Canada join the United States. However, after such a Union the United States would not be the United States as we know it today. The Union would be a new Union, just as it was every time it expanded in the past. New populations bring with them a new cultural dynamic to the country as a whole. They change the geographic landscape as well as the political one. The populous, economy and overall philosophy of this new Union will be unlike what it was before.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

why dont you lobby your own ideas instead of those of a poorly designed website that has nothing to do with what i posted before you

[redcar]

why dont you lobby your own ideas instead of those of a poorly designed website that has nothing to do with what i posted before you

why dont you lay off him

[kolte]

why dont you lobby your own ideas instead of those of a poorly designed website that has nothing to do with what i posted before you

I apoligize for the inconvienince, but perhaps I was thinking along the lines of "to better explain what would happen to the people here, maybe I should tell them what this thing is in higher detail, and my own words arent a clear definition of whats happening, since this wasnt my idea in the frist place" but If you want me to state my own opionions, they are the following:

Canada and America should be great parnters, and perhaps, making steps to unifiy the world and spread democrocy, they should merge into one nation, decide upon a government and do it. don't reconsturct the country, leave the states, porvinces, the way they are. they are so large because the populations are so sparse, you don't chop them up to make them look bettter, you do it when the population grows, theirfor making it eaiser to govern. I also think that the culture would not be damaged by the mergence. Look at texas, it still keeps its uniq culture, and praises the fact that its part of the united states on most occations. I think that it would benifit much more then it could hurt, both countries would better because of the mergence. taxes would go down, gdp would go up, resouses would be shared. its a good idea to me, allthough I see why some would be nervous of the idea. It would be a large political change, and their would be acceptions that would have to be made. in addition, I think its a merganece that would happen over a long period of time, slowly merging into one super country.

[TheWizard]

I like the idea but I'm not sure how canadians would like it.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

well cody likes it... matt doesnt count. so there its settled all canada favors the change :D

[serial-thrilla]

i never said i was against it i just was ignorant towards all the details.

[TheWizard]

I can't wait for Canada and the US to merage. It would be so cool. :)

[serial-thrilla]

a force to be reckoned with..

[redcar]

u may be good but not as good as ireland!!! :D

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

you know how america is the most poweful even though we have all these economic "problems" and fuel "shortages"? well could u imagine having the biggest oil deposits on earth at our desposal? our economy would soar into outer space wed be fucking UNSURPASSABLE

[Maestro]

I can guarantee right now that will not happen (at least not in any of our lifetimes) Also, I really hate the idea.

[kolte]

why do you really hate the idea.

[serial-thrilla]

not a bad idea but it wont happen.

[Maestro]

why do you really hate the idea.
I guess it's just because it's change. What would we be called? Americans? Canadians? It would completely ruin both countries' histories. What would they teach in schools, Canadian history or American history?

No, I like things just the way they are. Canada is Canada and the United States is the United States.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it would be called the united states of north america

everything would stay the same except the border would dissolve and be a thing of the past. all tariffs would come down, and we'd need to elect a new government