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Whisper
August 11th, 2008, 02:49 AM
As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?”


A similar sense of betrayal coursed through the conversations of many Georgians here yesterday as their troops retreated under shellfire and the Russian Army pressed forward to take full control of South Ossetia.


Smoke rose as Russian artillery fire exploded less than half a mile from the bridge marking South Ossetia’s border with Georgia. A group of Georgian soldiers hastily abandoned their lorry after its wheels were shot out and ran across the border.

Georgian troops looked disheartened as they regrouped around tank lines about 2km from the border. Many said that they had been fighting in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, until the early hours when they were suddenly ordered to withdraw from the breakaway region.


“They told us to come out – I don’t know why – but some of our guys are still out there in the fields,” one soldier told The Times. “I want to go back. If we lose South Ossetia now, it won’t be for ever because we will never surrender our land.”


President Saakashvili of Georgia has ordered a complete ceasefire and offered talks to the Russians. Despite this, the sound of gunfire and shelling could be clearly heard along the border zone last night.


Terrified civilians have fled in their thousands, convinced that Russia will not stop at the border but sweep into Georgia. Some fear that the Kremlin is intent on establishing a buffer zone to guard South Ossetia against future incursions.


Gori, normally a bustling city of 50,000 people, is largely deserted after Russian airstrikes at the weekend. Scores of people were abandoning their homes and loading possessions into vehicles or carrying what they could on foot. “There is a lot of panic. Many people have left and I am thinking of joining them. My bags are already packed,” Georgi, a 56-year-old resident of Tirdznisi, said. “We are afraid that the Russians will come here and kill us. People would not go if we had a strong army but they don’t believe in our army any more.”


Iago Jokhadze abandoned his village of Ergneti, close to Tskhinvali, after it was bombed by Russian jets yesterday. Fighting back tears, he said: “I have left everything, I don’t even have another shirt. If the Russians stay, then I can never return. We’re afraid of what the Russians can do.”


Miriyan Gogolashvili, of Tkviav, said: “The Russians will be here tomorrow. They want to show us and the world how powerful they are. Tomorrow it will be Ukraine and nobody in the West is doing anything to stop them. Why were our soldiers in Kosovo and Iraq if we don’t get any help from the West now?” he asked.


The Georgian Government is recalling its 2,000 troops serving in Iraq to confront the threat at home. Many Georgians will be reluctant to send them back after this war ends. Their despair was in sharp contrast to the confidence on the other side. At a base near the border, Russian peacekeepers appeared sure they would soon be joined by comrades from the regular army. “We are operating normally; nobody has disturbed us at all,” said one.


In Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, refugees from the fighting told how Russian helicopters bombed homes in Tshkinvali and neighbouring villages. Some spent days in basements before emerging to discover that their communities had been obliterated. Mzia Sabashvili, who hid for three days, said: “I know that lots of my neighbours are dead. I have no idea who is left.”


The Russians paid little heed to those in their way. A vehicle carrying observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe was shot at by a sniper near Tskhinvali. The bullet cracked the toughened glass of the passenger window, where a British officer had been sitting.


In Gori, where a statue of Stalin, the city’s most famous son, still stands in the main square, relatives scoured lists of the wounded put up outside the main hospital. More than 120 people were admitted yesterday in addition to the 456 treated since fighting erupted on Friday. The chief surgeon said that three civilians, including a pregnant woman, had died of their injuries.


Scores of soldiers milled around on the road outside. One said that they had all been in Tskhinvali but were now preparing to pull out of Gori. “The situation was very bad there but we were ready to stay. Russia is the enemy of the world,” he said.





















The west is tired of war

and now theres the Iran threat that we might have to neutralize

If Russia wants to

Georgia will burn

and I don't think we'll stop them
sad to say

Antares
August 11th, 2008, 03:01 AM
Can someone put into words why this shit even started in the first place. I didn't understand when I first heard it. Who attacked first? Russia right? Did Georgia do something to them or is Russia powerhungry?

Zephyr
August 11th, 2008, 03:20 AM
Georgia will get stomped into the ground if there's no intervention.
I don't know how this all started, but either way, helping them or not, it won't be pretty for different reasons.

The Batman
August 11th, 2008, 09:29 AM
This shit is getting to hectic now why all the fighting and wars. It is really pissing me off right now I'm tired of hearing about people getting killed for nonsense. We(the U.S.) should stop trying to fight every fucking body and start trying to end these wars.

Antares
August 11th, 2008, 05:09 PM
However, I think that we(US) should NOT intervine militarily between this conflict. We can do missions to get the people out and do food drops (Which should be getting done but its not) but we should NOT get an offensive against russia. That would be fucking suicide because Russia is our ally and we kinda need them. I suggest that the US and Russia have some meetings and maybe the UN intervine militarily.

Whisper
August 11th, 2008, 07:14 PM
i wouldn't go as far as saying russia is an ally
not an enemy
but not an ally
especially since the missile defense
all the assassinations they've done of late etc..

Lord C
August 11th, 2008, 07:35 PM
Keep the leaders talking and have UN representative peace keepers (talkers) there to help. Intervening will do nothing good. Of course Georgia will be saved because the US and British Armies are strong but this could lead to terrible things. Russia and US are two huge superpowers and if the US intervene I could smell another Nuclear Standoff between the two.

Whisper
August 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM
the united states will NOT intervene militarily
nor will they so much as threaten it
it does not suit there current interests

Bobby
August 11th, 2008, 08:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia

Bush wants it to stop but doesn't want to physically get involved nor has he stated any possible consequences for Russia.

Whisper
August 11th, 2008, 08:15 PM
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Monday demanded that Russia end a "dramatic and brutal escalation" of violence in Georgia, agree to an immediate cease-fire and accept international mediation to end the crisis in the former Soviet republic.


hahahahahaha

A) told you
B) talk about hypocritical