life origins

[skhuaban]

so what do you think there was before life before earth before the big bang? what created the big bang ball, if you will. what was there before the creator? what was the transition between death and life, how does something go from being dead to beaing alive?
opinions?

[Callwaiting]

Supposedly there was no matter, time or space before the big bang, kinda weird really.
Anyway, nobody knows what caused the big bang, but we do know that both space and time were "created" at the same instant as the big bang.

The universe was never dead, it just didn't exist as we see it -as space + time.
Maybe there's a fifth dimension, who knows?
JK, I made that last part up :P

[Rutherford The Brave]

Matter existed before the big bang, because explosions happen when matter combusts. Still no one know and no one will ever know. Thats why its a theory.

[Underground_Network]

The answer to your question is unknown. The origin of life will never be known. We can make certain assumptions and certain educated guesses, but that's all we can do. We'll never have a definitive answer. I used to believe in the Big Bang Theory, but now I see its stupid to believe in anything. To have faith in something that is not 100% proven to be true is ignorant, because in this process you simply choose to believe what is already stated, even though it isn't a fact, instead of attempting to acquire more information to further your knowledge and better understand everything. When you think on a higher level, you realize that theories are theories, they aren't facts. Some things will never be known. Its human nature to want to know everything, and the thing is, we'll never know everything. How everything came to be is unknown, and it most likely always will be. Its just one of the many mysteries out there. I think the Big Bang Theory is at least partially correct, but I don't think we'll ever be able to prove what life's origin truly is.

[Techno Monster]

I personally believe in the big bang, it just makes more sense to me.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I personally believe in the big bang, it just makes more sense to me.

Luckily the Big Bang doesn't REQUIRE belief. We KNOW it happened; we're of course not sure how it got started, but we know for a fact that the Big Bang itself did happen. It's like evolution; whenever somebody asks me if I BELIEVE in evolution... I just tell them: I don't believe in evolution, I ACCEPT it because it's proven to be true. Same goes for the big bang.

[Sapphire]

I am largely undecided on this topic. I am more inclined to believe that a Higher power existed and caused the big bang to happen.

Luckily the Big Bang doesn't REQUIRE belief. We KNOW it happened; we're of course not sure how it got started, but we know for a fact that the Big Bang itself did happen. It's like evolution; whenever somebody asks me if I BELIEVE in evolution... I just tell them: I don't believe in evolution, I ACCEPT it because it's proven to be true. Same goes for the big bang.

I don't think that either have been proven beyond all doubt. The evidence for evolution is very suggestive, but not conclusive. And there is always the question: What started the big bang? So I think both require a bit of belief.

[Oblivion]

I don't think that either have been proven beyond all doubt. The evidence for evolution is very suggestive, but not conclusive. And there is always the question: What started the big bang? So I think both require a bit of belief.

Agreed.
Although I do believe in the big bang and evolution, no one can positively prove either. They can make it a commonly accepted thought, but never prove it.
The big bang would be especially hard to prove because its not happening right now, as evolution is.

I do disagree about the higher power though.
If you really think about it, what came before the higher power?
What created it?
So in reality making a higher power doesn't solve anything.

[Sapphire]

I do disagree about the higher power though.
If you really think about it, what came before the higher power?
What created it?
So in reality making a higher power doesn't solve anything.

It doesn't solve anything because those questions do arise. I find that it helps explain why the big bang happened by giving answers to questions that exist about it. Why did these elements that had been swirling about in nothing suddenly react and explode? What set it off? etc

[Underground_Network]

Accepting a theory is fine. Accepting a theory is going beyond believing it. Accepting a theory is acknowledging the fact that it is the truth and that there is no other truth, no totally different theory that can cover what the theory you are accepting covers. Believing in a theory usually means you still have some doubts. It usually means that you 'believe' this theory, but you're not willing to go quite as far as to accept it as truth. You acknowledge that it is the most likely possibility, but you're not willing to go beyond that. That's why I DO NOT accept most theories, I only believe in most theories, because I know that most, if not all of the theories that are out there will never become law. They will never become the truth. They can be viewed as the truth, but that doesn't make them true. Thus the Big Bang Theory is simply a theory, it is a highly likely possibility, but it is not a fact, nor is it the truth. If you can find evidence that completely disproves the Big Bang Theory we could be back at square one, and in fact, it is a possibility that the Big Bang Theory could be completely wrong.

[theOperaGhost]

Accepting a theory is fine. Accepting a theory is going beyond believing it. Accepting a theory is acknowledging the fact that it is the truth and that there is no other truth, no totally different theory that can cover what the theory you are accepting covers. Believing in a theory usually means you still have some doubts. It usually means that you 'believe' this theory, but you're not willing to go quite as far as to accept it as truth. You acknowledge that it is the most likely possibility, but you're not willing to go beyond that. That's why I DO NOT accept most theories, I only believe in most theories, because I know that most, if not all of the theories that are out there will never become law. They will never become the truth. They can be viewed as the truth, but that doesn't make them true. Thus the Big Bang Theory is simply a theory, it is a highly likely possibility, but it is not a fact, nor is it the truth. If you can find evidence that completely disproves the Big Bang Theory we could be back at square one, and in fact, it is a possibility that the Big Bang Theory could be completely wrong.

Another exceptional post, Adam! None of the theories out there will ever become law, it's just impossible. Some people can strongly believe in a theory and even go as far as accepting it as the truth, but we will never, ever know the truth, that is just an impossibility. It would require an infinite amount of experimentation and there is neither the funding nor the time for that, since that would literally take forever.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Accepting a theory is fine. Accepting a theory is going beyond believing it. Accepting a theory is acknowledging the fact that it is the truth and that there is no other truth, no totally different theory that can cover what the theory you are accepting covers. Believing in a theory usually means you still have some doubts. Thus the Big Bang Theory is simply a theory, it is a highly likely possibility, but it is not a fact, nor is it the truth. If you can find evidence that completely disproves the Big Bang Theory we could be back at square one, and in fact, it is a possibility that the Big Bang Theory could be completely wrong.

1. Your definition of ACCEPTING a theory is utterly wrong, in fact it actually describes faith and beliefs. I accept Big Bang and Evolutionary theory; as soon as they are proven wrong (or new data comes out that supports any other theory) then I will immediately put those theories under more scrutiny.

2. FAITH and BELIEF is where you say "This is what I think happened, and nothing will ever change my mind". Religion (unlike science) is totally unchanging and written in stone: if the science contradicts God, than God must be right and the real FACTS must be magically false. I accept evolution because of the OVERWHELMING evidence that supports it (it's pretty much the backbone of biology). If there was ANY doubt that evolution was wrong, then why does EVERY field of science (geology, chemistry, biology, etc.) prove evolution to be true? There is NO controversy in the scientific community over the validity of evolution; only religious nutcases can't accept reality.

3. Don't use ad hominem attacks on theories. When you say "the big bang is JUST a theory" you imply that theories are just wild guesses and crazy ideas. The truth of the matter is that theories are actually MORE important than facts themselves. Theories in science EXPLAIN what the evidence and facts we have are showing us: i.e. the evidence suggests Big Bang.... and ONLY the Big Bang. Although everyone ELSE knows that, you still are right on your very last point. The Big Bang theory COULD be wrong, but the odds of that are infintesimal. Even so, if the theory WAS disproven.... we'd throw it in the trash! Science is NOTHING like belief; we learn from our mistakes.... and try to find the REAL answers! On the other hand, believing in a "higher power" is supported by NO proof whatsoever.... and is in itself a paradox ("if we were created... who made the creator?") it's essentially an infinite regression that can NEVER solve itself.

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[hikatie]

Supposedly there was no matter, time or space before the big bang, kinda weird really.
Anyway, nobody knows what caused the big bang, but we do know that both space and time were "created" at the same instant as the big bang.

The universe was never dead, it just didn't exist as we see it -as space + time.
Maybe there's a fifth dimension, who knows?
JK, I made that last part up :P


According to the String theory there could possibly be eleven dimensions. :P

[Shpadoinkle]

I don't think we can or should know the truth of how we are here, just accept the fact that you won this very special hard to get gift called life and spend it fairly.

[Sapphire]

I don't think we can or should know the truth of how we are here, just accept the fact that you won this very special hard to get gift called life and spend it fairly.

I agree with the sentiment here. Though I don't think that life is "hard to get"

[Shpadoinkle]

I agree with the sentiment here. Though I don't think that life is "hard to get"
Think about it, what the chance that from all sperms and ova the specifc ones that made you will get together? The same thing with your parents and your grandparents and so on and on... One small change in history and you might won't be here today.

[Sapphire]

Think about it, what the chance that from all sperms and ova the specifc ones that made you will get together? The same thing with your parents and your grandparents and so on and on... One small change in history and you might won't be here today.
If it wasn't that particular sperm then it would have been another. They all carry the same genetic information and are released in their millions each time a man ejaculates to increase the likelihood of conception. To say that if a different sperm fertilised the egg then you wouldn't be here today is false. Certain things about you might be different (e.g. sex, hair colour etc), but ultimately it would be you.

[CaptainObvious]

Matter existed before the big bang, because explosions happen when matter combusts. Still no one know and no one will ever know. Thats why its a theory.

....time to read up a little bit more on the big bang, my friend. There was no combustion whatsoever in the big bang, since combustion is a chemical reaction, and the particles required for chemical reaction (protons, neutrons, electrons) didn't even exist at the time of the big bang - the only particles that existed were the elementary particles (although technically, in the singularity at the beginning even these probably didn't exist), which is to say quarks, leptons and gauge bosons.

[Shpadoinkle]

If it wasn't that particular sperm then it would have been another. They all carry the same genetic information and are released in their millions each time a man ejaculates to increase the likelihood of conception. To say that if a different sperm fertilised the egg then you wouldn't be here today is false. Certain things about you might be different (e.g. sex, hair colour etc), but ultimately it would be you.
Actually, I meant if your father married another woman or your mother married another man. I should have said it this way, sorry for not being clear, English isn't my main language... :p

[Sapphire]

Actually, I meant if your father married another woman or your mother married another man. I should have said it this way, sorry for not being clear, English isn't my main language... :p

It's ok. I get what you are saying and I guess I agree to an extent. But I think that instead of saying that life is hard to get, to say that life is too easily ended may be more accurate. Just my opinion :)