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Antares
July 31st, 2008, 03:45 PM
SHENANDOAH, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- By the time help arrived, Luis Ramirez lay convulsing in the middle of the street, foam running from his mouth.
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Blows had struck the 25-year-old illegal Mexican immigrant with such force that they left a clotted, bruised impression of Jesus Christ on the skin of his chest from the religious medal he wore.
His attackers were white teenagers, including star students and football players, witnesses told police.
After a night of drinking, the teens taunted the undocumented worker with racial epithets, pummeled him to the ground and then kicked him in the head, court documents charge. He died in a hospital two days later.
It took almost two weeks for arrests to be made. But on July 25, Colin J. Walsh, 17, and Brandon J. Piekarsky, 16, were charged as adults with homicide (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/murder_and_homicide) and ethnic intimidation.
Derrick M. Donchak, 18, was charged as an adult with aggravated assault and ethnic intimidation and an unnamed juvenile was also charged with assault. The U.S. Department of Justice announced Wednesday that its civil rights division has opened a criminal investigation.
Defense attorneys for two of the teens say Ramirez responded to the name-calling with his own insults, which escalated the confrontation into a fight that got out of hand.
The words allegedly hurled at Ramirez, and the perceived sentiments behind them, led prosecutors to label his death a hate crime (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/hate_crimes).
Without the ethnic intimidation charges, many in Shenandoah believe the case would not be drawing attention to this depressed northeastern Pennsylvania coal town of 5,000. Residents question whether the attack was racially motivated or just an alcohol-fueled confrontation among kids. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/photos.gif See a gallery of the key players » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/shenadoah.beating/index.html#cnnSTCPhoto)
Ramirez had spent July 12 with friends Arielle and Victor Garcia in their home. About 11 p.m. he asked them to drive him and a 15-year-old girl home, a probable cause affidavit says.
They got as far as a dusty park on Vine Street when Ramirez asked the couple to drop them off so they could walk. What happened next depends on the narrator, but everyone seems to agree that the first comments were directed toward the girl and Ramirez.
"Isn't it a little late for you guys to be out?" the boys said, according to court documents. "Get your Mexican boyfriend out of here."
Racial slurs followed, and Ramirez responded. Punches were thrown, and Ramirez fell to the ground. Then Ramirez used his cell phone to call Arielle and Victor Garcia for help.
The fight seemed to be over by the time the Garcias responded. But in an instant, the taunts resumed.
It is unclear who threw the first insult. Ramirez was knocked to the ground again and kicked in the head. He went into convulsions, said Arielle Garcia, who witnessed the second part of the fight. Garcia, 17, told police she knew some of the assailants from school. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch Arielle Garcia's eyewitness account » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/shenadoah.beating/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
By this time, Eileen Burke, a retired Philadelphia police officer, had stepped out of her home after hearing Arielle Garcia's pleas to stop the beating.
Burke recalled hearing one final, ominous threat as the teens ran. "They yelled, 'You effin bitch, tell your effin Mexican friends get the eff out of Shenandoah or you're gonna be laying effin next to him,' " she told CNN.
Ramirez was taken off life support two days after the fight. His body was flown back to his mother in Guanajuato, Mexico, with donations from parishioners from Annunciation Church in Shenandoah.
"There's outrage among Anglos and Latinos over what happened, and I think that's representative of the attitude here," said the Rev. George Winne, who is in charge of Hispanic ministries at Annunciation.
Others in town pull over their cars at the sight of a stranger and recite a litany of attacks allegedly perpetrated by Latinos against Anglos. They refuse to give their names but acknowledge that Ramirez did not deserve to die. They say violence has been brewing between the races for some time.
Attorneys for two of the teens deny Ramirez was targeted because of his race (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/racial_issues).
"Let's call it what it was it was -- a street fight, a chance encounter with a tragic outcome," said Frederick Fanelli, who represents Piekarsky.
Fanelli told CNN he plans to investigate whether Ramirez has a criminal background. He also questions why the engaged father of three was walking on the street with the girl, and the nature of their relationship. Ramirez's fiancee says he was walking her younger sister home.
A lawyer for Walsh said he is equally skeptical about the ethnic intimidation charge. "They called each other names. The victim was calling them obscenities, vulgar names, and they said things back to him that would hurt him," Roger Laguna said. "It just means it was a foul-mouthed argument, not ethnic intimidation."
Ramirez died just as things were falling into place for him and Crystal Dillman, 24, the woman he planned to marry.
They met in Shenandoah in 2005 through the Garcias, had two children, Kiara and Eduardo, and Ramirez assumed the role of father to Dillman's daughter from a previous relationship, Angelina.
By May, Ramirez had settled permanently in Shenandoah, working two jobs after spending six months picking berries in Georgia.
"He worked hard so his kids would have more than he had growing up," Dillman said. "He talked a lot about how we take so much for granted here."
His diamond-encrusted religious medal, which cost him $300, now hangs over the fireplace in the three-story home on Main Street where Dillman and the children live.
"I just don't understand how you can beat someone so badly when you don't even know them," Dillman said. "People here are just ignorant. They think life begins and ends in Shenandoah." http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch Dillman talk about her fears for the future » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/shenadoah.beating/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
A court affidavit identifies Walsh and Piekarsky as the teens who delivered the fatal blows: Walsh punched Ramirez in the face and knocked him to the ground. Piekarsky then allegedly kicked Ramirez in the head.
Michael Walsh is struggling to comprehend how his boy -- a straight-A student who juggled track, football and school -- could stand accused of killing another person when he should be starting his senior year in high school.
"It's very stressing because you just don't expect it. If you had a child that's constantly in trouble, you'd say, hey, well, this is coming any day," he told CNN.
"Colin was a great kid and fell into a bad situation. He never really gave me any trouble," he added. "I feel sorry for the families and anyone who cares about Mr. Ramirez." http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/tabs/video.gif Watch Walsh describe his family's 'nightmare' » (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/shenadoah.beating/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)
"You would be proud to have any of these kids in your classroom, and any of them as your children," said Fanelli, Piekarsky's lawyer. "To this point in their lives, they have done everything right."
Besides his academic achievement, Piekarsky worked part-time at Sears and made the varsity football team as a sophomore. He is a National Honors student.
His mother postponed her wedding to a Shenandoah police officer because of the incident.
Walsh and Piekarsky are being held in solitary confinement in an adult jail in nearby Pottsville. They are awaiting a preliminary hearing.
Donchak was the team's quarterback last year and graduated in May. He planned to attend Bloomsburg University in the fall. He is out on bail.
The racial spotlight falls on the region nearly a year after a federal court struck down proposed anti-immigration laws in nearby Hazleton. City officials had passed a law to fine landlords and employers who dealt with illegal immigrants. The city is appealing.
While Schuylkill County is 96 percent white, Shenandoah has taken pride in its ethnic diversity. European immigrants came to work anthracite mines in the late 19th century. Pizza joints, German bakeries and Polish grocers on Main Street serve as reminders of that time.
The town hit hard times after World War II and saw its population tumble from 20,000 to about 5,000, leaving about one in three homes vacant.
Latinos began to arrive about 20 years ago, heading to the fields and distribution centers that have become the new economic base.
Jose Calderon, a Puerto Rican who has lived in Shenandoah for two years, says he's not fearful. "These are the problems of the youth," he said.
On Main Street, where people gather on benches in front of the remaining storefronts, some members of the Anglo community are also outraged.
"The young guys around here are racist because they think they're so much better than everyone else," said Jessica Lane, 18, as her 2-year-old son, Damien, squirmed in her lap.
Shenandoah officials now acknowledge a racial element of Ramirez's death.
Regardless of perception of tension, many Latinos and Anglos have formed interracial relationships, like those of Dillman and Ramirez, and their friends the Garcias, who have a son.
Mixed couples and their offspring sat among other Latino couples at Annunciation Church's Sunday Spanish-language mass. As the service began, a white woman approached Dillman and hugged her.
"I have such survivor's guilt," she confessed.


Okay, so I just saw this story on the TV and I decided to post it here because initially they said that he was an illegal immigrant but after that they said he was legal....idk

OKAY so he was illegal however the thing that infuritated me initially was that they didn't fine the fiancee or anything. No action was taken because she was harboring an illegal immigrant. Even more controversial (totally my opinion without compassion or sympathy) why would we waste our taxpayers money giving that guy medical service. We are sitting here suffering and they can't get denied. Im sure he didn't sit in the emergency room for hours. So yeah, that is my opinion without sympathy and I kinda do wish that they don't get off that harsh (again without sympathy) because he didn't belong here anyways.

Ryandel
July 31st, 2008, 03:53 PM
Gah this just pisses me off. Doesnt matter if it was ethnic intimidation or not. It was still homicide. Gah, alcohol played a big role in this too. Gah.

0=
July 31st, 2008, 06:32 PM
So yeah, that is my opinion without sympathy and I kinda do wish that they don't get off that harsh (again without sympathy) because he didn't belong here anyways.

They still killed a man, regardless of his legal status. What difference does legal status make in the value of a man's life? He had children and was a productive member of society.

Antares
July 31st, 2008, 10:06 PM
How is he a productive member of society?
He was an illegal immigrant. They don't pay income taxes...how is that productive? They should do it just like everyone else have done it.

Ryandel
July 31st, 2008, 10:14 PM
He worked in that community. Is it only tax payers that are allowed to live.

theOperaGhost
July 31st, 2008, 10:20 PM
Sorry if I offend anybody. I don't mean to offend people with these statements.

I of course don't think he should have been killed, murder is bad. I'm sure you feel the "however" coming on. Here it goes...However, I do agree with John. I have a very strong opinion on illegal immigrants. There are legal ways to come to our country. Not all illegals are bad, but most of them bring crime with them, they don't pay taxes, and they take many jobs, causing unemployment. Plus, when they get enough money, most of them just take it back to their country, leave their employer without employees. Not that the employer should have hired them anyway.

I also feel that anyone coming to live in our country permanently should have to be able to speak English. How the fuck are we expected to know what they are talking about if they can't speak our language?

Come to our country legally or don't come at all. That is how I feel.

Ryandel
July 31st, 2008, 10:24 PM
I more so consider illegal immigrants as refugees. Just in my opinion.

theOperaGhost
July 31st, 2008, 10:29 PM
I can see that point too, but they can still legally come here. Maybe a little more difficult for Cubans, but I think that illegal Mexican immigrants are more of a problem than the Cubans anyway. God, I'm biased aren't I? Sorry again, if I offend anyone.

Ryandel
July 31st, 2008, 10:50 PM
Ah well, we're all entitled to our own opinions and such.

0=
July 31st, 2008, 10:58 PM
He wasn't going back to Mexico with the money, though. He had a family in that town and was just trying to support them.

theOperaGhost
July 31st, 2008, 11:07 PM
He wasn't going back to Mexico with the money, though. He had a family in that town and was just trying to support them.

Does that make his living here illegally right though? I know it is biased, however all statistics are biased. A good portion of illegal Mexicans run back to Mexico as soon as they get some money, leaving their employers without employees, which of course is a bad thing.

Oblivion
July 31st, 2008, 11:11 PM
I believe everyone should get medical care no matter where they live, or what language they speak, or where they came from.

I found this story rather sickening. I hope she doesn't run into any implications for harboring a illegal alien.

foof1
July 31st, 2008, 11:57 PM
When a human being is hurt it's common sense to help them. Anyone who wouldn't is just heartless. That's why he got medical care. It would also be heartless to fine his fiancee for harboring him because it's hard enough losing the person you were going to marry. It's even worse because he died of unnatural causes.

0=
August 1st, 2008, 12:01 AM
Does that make his living here illegally right though? I know it is biased, however all statistics are biased. A good portion of illegal Mexicans run back to Mexico as soon as they get some money, leaving their employers without employees, which of course is a bad thing.

The point is that really doesn't matter in a homicide case.

theOperaGhost
August 1st, 2008, 12:09 AM
Oh, I DO think the kids are being charged correctly, they did kill a human being non-the-less. They should do their time for that and I don't think any punishment should be lessened just because he was an illegal. Homicide is homicide and I'm not disagreeing with that.

I think it is terrible that he was murdered because he was illegal. I just, once again, have very strong opinions on illegals.

Antares
August 1st, 2008, 01:03 AM
I believe everyone should get medical care no matter where they live, or what language they speak, or where they came from.

I found this story rather sickening. I hope she doesn't run into any implications for harboring a illegal alien.

I agree with everything Jared said.

ALso, the issue is that people are getting healthcare with our tax money however the poeple that actually PAY the taxes don;t get healthcare. Do you guys realize that gas prices and food are soo high that people are sacraficing healthcare for food. That is scary. So why don't we save our money for our taxpayers that actually need it and use it on our selves instead of these illegals coming in and getting sick then going to a hospital where we can't deny them service.

Oblivion
August 1st, 2008, 01:08 AM
I would be willing to pay every cent i have to keep someone alive, illegal or not.
I wouldn't care if someone was here illegally or not, because in the end my money is saving someone who can't afford medical bills.

Nihilus
August 1st, 2008, 01:40 AM
wow thats so sad.
That story makes me feel depressed.

Antares
August 1st, 2008, 01:41 AM
I would be willing to pay every cent i have to keep someone alive, illegal or not.
I wouldn't care if someone was here illegally or not, because in the end my money is saving someone who can't afford medical bills.

Well I say go seek medical attention in your own damn country. We need to be saving our troops fighting the dumb war who are getting no psychological help when they get back here.

0=
August 1st, 2008, 01:46 AM
Well I say go seek medical attention in your own damn country.

Yeah, right. He's dying on the street they're going to fly him to Mexico and treat him there. Wanna guess how much it would cost to deport someone by jet?

Antares
August 1st, 2008, 01:56 AM
Yeah, right. He's dying on the street they're going to fly him to Mexico and treat him there. Wanna guess how much it would cost to deport someone by jet?

LMAO lol

well I mean like...well he said that he can't afford medical bills or whatever, i am just saying that there are people in america, who pay taxes on medicaid or whatever medicare who can't afford to pay health insurance. however some illegal immigrant comes along and he just gets beat up by some teens yet we are spending money on him when we should be helping our own people. the people that belong here. i know that its illegal to deny him medical help and I know i want him to get medical help i am just saying that its sad that people here work their butts off and pay against basically a fund to the government while other people work here (who dont belong here) and dont pay to this fund that he used.

EDIT: Of course I think it is sad and I feel sorry because he died and all that jazz but logically it infuriates me but emotionally I feel bad for the dead guy.

One more thing. I think that the people who beat them should get punished but I also think that the fiancee lady pictured above should also for harboring this mexican immigrant. (You can't say that she didnt know because I am sure she did)

0=
August 1st, 2008, 02:24 AM
She has children. It's enough punishment to raise children single and lose your husband.

If Americans want healthcare they'll stop the government from spending on useless wars and "national security".

Antares
August 1st, 2008, 02:31 AM
Wait, I just wanted to ask if that law is still around. If you marry someone here are you automatically a citizen. Is that a law?

Anyways, yeah I guess I feel sorry for the kids too. However, she still harbored him regardless if she loved him. That's why I wanted Clinton lol anyways umm it is kinda hard to stop our government when it seems they are on auto-pilot. We need to impeach Bush (yes, even if he has 3 months left)