Zeitgeist

[Zan0ra]

spirituality is a particular term which actually means a dating with intuition.

Zeitgeist was a documentary film published in 2007. It speaks about how we are all slaves to *the man behind the curtain* and what he has done to manipulate our minds over time. There are three parts to this film.

Part 1 - religion

part 2 - 911

part 3 - the man behind the curtain

And how it all links up. The government do not care about our family's! they only care about money. And controlling there world. In the near future there will be only one government. One army. And billions of confused citizens who will be practically slave's without knowing it.

And soon. A special chip may be inserted into us to examine every move we do.

I would definately recommend watch this film. I have just finished watching it this morning.

when the power of love overcomes
the love of power the world will
know peace

[Sapphire]

It just sounds like one big conspiracy film :|

[Zan0ra]

With loads of evidence and real documents supporting it!

[Sapphire]

Ok, lets look at it properly then.

1) The government doesn't care about your family.

True. There are millions of people in their country, they can't know or care about each individual family. Their job is to work out what is in the best interests of everyone and to do it. But, you can't please everyone all the time.

2) The government only care about money and controlling their world.

If they didn't have money then they couldn't lead the country and help the public. If they didn't have a degree of control then there would be chaos.

3) In the near future there will be one government and one army for the whole world.

No. The closest this world has been to something like that is back in the days of the Roman Empire. The likelihood that we will have to migrate to Mars is greater than a universal government and army.

4) Soon special chips will be inserted into us to keep track of our movements.

No way. Human rights would not allow it. Everyone is potty about human rights.
The UK government tried to increase the maximum of days that suspected terrorists can be detained for before getting convicted to 90 days a few years ago and everyone was up in arms about it. It didnt matter that it could help secure a conviction and protect the public. What mattered was that the suspects human rights weren't infringed. It has been increased though to a significantly shorter period of time.

[Zan0ra]

Open your eyes! its happening! watch the film to understand it! the ship has already been inserted into some people and there will definitely be a planet president sometime. It wasnt terrorists who caused 911 it was the American government its self.! They throw all these new gadgets at us to keep us occupied to distract us from the truth.!


Its not just that there is so much more! The Americans had no real reason to join the war. They provoked the japanese to attack pearl harbor. And the American started world war one by sending a cruise into German waters on purpose! The film will explain all this. You have to try and watch this.

They are evn making a new film called zeitgeist - ADDENDUM

The revolution..... Is now

[Sapphire]

America started world war one? Why don't you open up a history book?
Franz Ferdinand was not American, nor was he assassinated by an American.

[Zan0ra]

Dont bother argueing woth me just watch the film. You can trust evrything you hear/read. But this has some real facts to back up its statment.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Dont bother argueing woth me just watch the film. You can trust evrything you hear/read. But this has some real facts to back up its statment.

Exactly... you can NOT trust pretty much anything you see or hear... so why trust this film? You have absolutely no idea if they're "facts" are real or not. They just do a really good job of making it SEEM that way. If such a crazy huge conspiracy was going on for this long, it would NEVER have stayed a secret like this for the whole 200+ year history of the united states. And there will NEVER be a world government. EVER. We can barely stand to work cooperatively within our OWN countries, when more than one country is involved look at the mess! An entire planet, working together? Don't make me laugh.

[CaptainObvious]

Dont bother argueing woth me just watch the film. You can trust evrything you hear/read. But this has some real facts to back up its statment.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. And before you get all up in my face about watching Zeitgeist, I already have. It was a tremendous amount of time to waste on such a steaming load of conspiracy-theory bullshit.

Zeitgeist presents "evidence" that consists of a number of unrelated facts that are only indicative of anything if you assume there is a conspiracy and then uses those facts to "prove" there is a conspiracy. This is called circular logic, and it is fallacious.

I suggest you step back and reassess what you're saying. When your only response to criticism is "watch the film" you can be sure you don't know particularly well what you're saying.

[Zan0ra]

It's based on belief. But you have to admit the only thing the government wants is power. But just stop and watch it again if you need to like me. First I didn't believe it and then once I watched it again I began to take in some stuff that he is saying. is own opinion.

Of course it's a theory. And like all theories they have holes in them. This film is not utter bullshit. Its the government. i'm not way in favor of a world president. After the catestrofic disasters occur in 2012 and if I manage to live another day. The planet may be plunged into happiness. As we may be able to re organize our civilization.

If this film does speack truth and word got out. Then I can 99.999 % chance America will undertake a civil war.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

After the catestrofic disasters occur in 2012 and if I manage to live another day. The planet may be plunged into happiness. As we may be able to re organize our civilization.

If this film does speack truth and word got out. Then I can 99.999 % chance America will undertake a civil war.

Okay... you try to prove that the movie is more than just based on belief... then you make a comment that proves you have no clue what you're talking about. AFTER the disasters of 2012? You say this as if they've already happen, like you actually believe that bullshit that the world will "end" or plunge into disaster on that year. It's not grounded in SCIENCE in the slightest, it's just a sensationalist BELIEF. The word HAS got out on this movie; tons of people have seen it (I've seen it) you can say the name "Zietgeist" and people WILL KNOW what you are talking about.... so where is this civil war? By your own words, the citizens of the united states will attempt to OVERTHROW their government.... because of a conspirationist-theory MOVIE.

.... not much else I can say.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Open your eyes! its happening! watch the film to understand it! the ship has already been inserted into some people and there will definitely be a planet president sometime.It wasnt terrorists who caused 911 it was the American government its self.! They throw all these new gadgets at us to keep us occupied to distract us from the truth.!


Its not just that there is so much more! The Americans had no real reason to join the war. They provoked the japanese to attack pearl harbor. And the American started world war one by sending a cruise into German waters on purpose! The film will explain all this. You have to try and watch this.

They are evn making a new film called zeitgeist - ADDENDUM

The revolution..... Is now

Excuse me?! You think Americans planned 9/11 ...?! That's PURE bullshit. I can't stand people like that. Sickening. really. Buddy, it was terrorists who did the 9/11 attack. not Americans. I think everyone knows that, or most people to say the least.

You can't believe everything you hear on television, or read in the newspaper. that documentry is nothing but propaganda. It's like the Elders of Zion, full of FALSE information.

Gosh.

[Zan0ra]

It's based on belief You have faith in your own country? C'mon! you know there is something they are not telling you! even the tinniest little thing. They hide it up. Hopping it will go away. I do realise this film isn't 100 percent proof. I dont know what really happened on 9/11!!! I could be wrong! but I COULD ALSO BE RIGHT. No one is 100% sure who did it. but if we all where and it was your government then the war would pop out of no-where.

AFTER the disasters of 2012? You say this as if they've already happen, like you actually believe that bullshit that the world will "end" or plunge into disaster on that year Religion has nothing to do with it! the sun will align in the plain of the milky way. and due to the magnetic forces from the planets it will cause massive natural disasters all over earth. BUT i CAN'T BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS EITHER!

Americans wont go to civil war until they absolutely know the government did it!
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I do know what i'm talking about. Otherwise I would have made this topic in the first place!

tell me to calm down if you want. I was already deeply depressed today and this sorta ticked me of completely.

[CaptainObvious]

You have faith in your own country? C'mon! you know there is something they are not telling you! even the tinniest little thing. They hide it up. Hopping it will go away. I do realise this film isn't 100 percent proof. I dont know what really happened on 9/11!!! I could be wrong! but I COULD ALSO BE RIGHT. No one is 100% sure who did it. but if we all where and it was your government then the war would pop out of no-where.

You're a 60 year old obese pedophile. Well, OK, I don't know that and I could be wrong - but I COULD ALSO BE RIGHT!

See how stupid an argument that is? "I COULD BE RIGHT" proves nothing. Evidence, my friend.

Religion has nothing to do with it! the sun will align in the plain of the milky way. and due to the magnetic forces from the planets it will cause massive natural disasters all over earth. BUT i CAN'T BE RIGHT ABOUT THIS EITHER!

Yeah, you're damn right you can't be right about that either, since it makes absolutely no sense. Among other things, the electromagnetic force disperses much more quickly than the gravitational force, meaning that the planets in our solar system exert basically no electromagnetic effects on each other.

Oh, there's also the small other problem that what you're saying makes no sense and you have provided no evidence for it.

Americans wont go to civil war until they absolutely know the government did it!
I do know what i'm talking about. Otherwise I would have made this topic in the first place!

The fact that you think you know enough to make a topic about it does not mean you do. And so far everything you've said points towards you being off the deep end.

[Zan0ra]

*sorry for swearing about this but I cant stand this anymore*

ITS YOUR FUCKING BELIEF!

1) I posted a pic of myself in the album thread. You can walk over to house and I will prove that pic is true!

2) last time the same thing happened it nearly destroyed the world... *I think that was what I heard* and that was some 20000+ years ago. why wouldnt the same thing happen again?!?!?!

The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, notably used by the Maya civilization among others of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, completes its thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle since the calendar's mythical starting point (equivalent to August 11, 3114 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, according to the "GMT-correlation" JDN= 584283).[6] The Long Count b'ak'tun date of this starting point (13.0.0.0.0) is repeated, for the first time in a span of approximately 5,125 solar years. The significance of this period-ending to the pre-Columbian Maya themselves is unclear, and there is an incomplete inscription (Tortuguero Monument 6) that records this date. It is also to be found carved on the walls of the Temple of Inscriptions in Palenque, where it functions as a base date from which other dates are computed.[7] However, it is conjectured[who?] that this may represent in the Maya belief system a transition from the current Creation world into the next.

You have no idea whats going to hapen....

nobody knows what will happen in 2012!
There is zero scientific evidence that anything will happen, but there are numerous things that could easily threaten the human species in the year 2012, such as a geomagnetic reversal, asteroid strike or supernova. Or soemthing more intimate, like a flu pandemic, or a nuclear war.

[url=http://www.survive2012.com/possibilities.php]you have no idea....[/quote]

At the begginiong of this thread I simply hinted and asked people to watch it. From that comes all this.


This isnt fact nor fiction.....

[The Batman]

You have no idea whats it like in America so you base your ideals on a film. This entire thread is just sad you are completely being brainwashed by that film why don't you do some historical research and learn the truth.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Here's the funny thing about facts. You post the link to Zeitgeist. I post a paper disagreeing with it. Both involve facts. Both can't be simultaneously true. So, you're right. Don't believe anything you read just because it has apparent facts. Make sure those facts are facts.

But, anyway, Zeitgeist:

Part 1 (about the Bible) is relatively well-argued, outside of the astrology absurdity. It creates an anecdotal, circumstantial argument, but as those go it's still pretty good.

Part 2 (9/11 Truth) is a bit of a mish-mash. The argument is succinct, and interesting, but it's sourced in a way that makes it almost uninvestigable. I mean, I guess the Elite wouldn't allow me to anyway, right?

Part 3 (??!) is confusing and so abstract that it would require good documentation. Speaking of...

The major problem I have with Zeitgeist is that it is sourced improperly. It provides a bibliography -- a long list of long books -- from which these pieces of information are supposedly gleaned. But be very suspicious when citations are provided without page numbers. That's bad juju. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might even say they were trying to hide something.

There is a part of the video where the announcer dude says, "it is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth." I agree.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

God. This thread is so sad!

I mean... do you honestly think America would be behind the 9/11 attacks? Like....sorry to offend anyone, but that is the most CRAZIEST bullshit I've heard this week...maybe year... or whatever.

Anyway, using " I could be right" doesn't help, as oneshyguy has already mentioned.
Explain why you could be right, or wrong... don't state "I'm right..you're wrong". blah.

To be honest, nobody can track our lives, except for God. Like seriously.

Before believing such nonsense, maybe a proper research would help =)

[ThatCanadianGuy]

If you are right, and all this "made up shit" actually happens in 2012, then I will personally bow before you, and give you a million dollars. That's how absolutely inane this whole situation is. If you say there's going to be a "geomagnetic reversal" (as if you even know what that means, or if it was even simply "made up shit") then give me some PROOF that this is going to happen.

And then I read some more... and find that you think this is going to happen because "the solar system will align with the plane of the Milky Way"... okay.... sounds a hell of a lot like astrology to me... which as we know (like horoscopes) is bullshit.

We've been 25,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way, right along one of it's spiral arms, for billions of years. And all of a sudden *whoops* we move 1mm to the left and we're all fucked. And of course we know the EXACT date for this to happen is 2012! How exciting!

I'm sick and tired of all this 2012 shit. Well... all I have to do is wait 4 years and... I won't even have to prove you wrong.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Haha. Wow.

Doesn't he know we're in 2008? we have a long way to go... like seriously.

God, I feel bad for this kid.

[Zan0ra]

Here's the funny thing about facts. You post the link to Zeitgeist. I post a paper disagreeing with it. Both involve facts. Both can't be simultaneously true. So, you're right. Don't believe anything you read just because it has apparent facts. Make sure those facts are facts.

But, anyway, Zeitgeist:

Part 1 (about the Bible) is relatively well-argued, outside of the astrology absurdity. It creates an anecdotal, circumstantial argument, but as those go it's still pretty good.

Part 2 (9/11 Truth) is a bit of a mish-mash. The argument is succinct, and interesting, but it's sourced in a way that makes it almost uninvestigable. I mean, I guess the Elite wouldn't allow me to anyway, right?

Part 3 (??!) is confusing and so abstract that it would require good documentation. Speaking of...

The major problem I have with Zeitgeist is that it is sourced improperly. It provides a bibliography -- a long list of long books -- from which these pieces of information are supposedly gleaned. But be very suspicious when citations are provided without page numbers. That's bad juju. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might even say they were trying to hide something.

There is a part of the video where the announcer dude says, "it is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth." I agree.

Thank you, there is a post that I dont mind answering.*along with dig it deeper* The rest of you are making you're self look sad by a) making me look like a twate b) making yourself look like an idiot by picking on a 13 year old *like i'm suposed to know all the ansers* and c)commenting on this "bull shit and sad" thread.

Request lock

look into 2012.... (http://www.december212012.com/articles/disaster/index.shtml)

[0=]

*like i'm suposed to know all the ansers*

If you can't properly support your views then you shouldn't be here trying to debate. Age isn't an excuse.

[Zan0ra]

Tecknicly speaking the older you are the more you know.

The computer chip (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/)
One world goverment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qBK_NhT-LM)

take all of this into acount.

one world goverment proof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF-gcHe7CAU&NR=1)

[Oblivion]

Most often, people know more when they are older because they have a better education than someone younger, but there is no direct connection.

If you were 20 and have never been to school, you probably know less than a grade school child.

So, in conclusion, there isn't anything technical about what you said.

[Zan0ra]

In this situation there is. *since yes I do got to school in the top set* While waiting for this thread to be locked, please get back on topic.

[0=]

Tecknicly speaking the older you are the more you know.

You choose how much you know. Without looking at my age on the left, how old do you think I am, based purely on my speech and knowledge?

[Zan0ra]

15-17 maybe? But thats not the point. Please get back on topic.

[Sapphire]

Look, I can't be bothered with arguing over the petty points raised here. At 13 years old you should be concerning yourself with obtaining actual knowledge about the world you live in and not swallowing this conspiracy tripe.

Open up a history book an read about the beginnings of the First World War. Then turn the news channel on and see if you can find five countries which can happily live under one government.

[Zan0ra]

Look I don't know all the answers. You were alive then and neither where I. Yeah I agree. The chances of a one world government are very unlikely. But its already begun to happen in America. I don't know whats defiantly going to happen......

[The Batman]

What are you talking about it's already begun in America you live in the UK and your basing your future knowledge of us on a film?

[Sapphire]

But its already begun to happen in America. I don't know whats defiantly going to happen......

What's already begun in America?
The USA is one country made up of a load of states. Not one government ruling over a load of countries.

[Zan0ra]

take this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qBK_NhT-LM) into acount. Strange hu? No public vote? They didnt even want to tell you?

[Sapphire]

take this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qBK_NhT-LM) into acount. Strange hu? No public vote? They didnt even want to tell you?

I find it highly amusing that you are trying to convince us with a film and a video clip that preaches that "television is not the truth"

[The Batman]

Dude don't base your beliefs on conspiracy videos. Just go and do some real research and don't let this shit brainwash you.

[Zan0ra]

How much did you watch! honestly....The north American union was setup erasing all borders from Mexico, Canada and the united states. President bush signed a formal agreement. And he took the step without approval from either the U.S congress or the people of the united states.

north American union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union)

[Sapphire]

Oh, I watched it all and I can safely say that it was a waste of my time.

Seriously, get your head out of the clouds and stop swallowing such tripe. You really shouldn't trust anything political on youtube. Especially videos which have the words "sex Paris Hilton gays lesbian" in the description in the hope that they will get more views.

[The Batman]

The North American Union (NAU) is a theoretical regional union of Canada Mexico and the United States similar in structure to the European Union, sometimes including a common currency called the Amero. Officials from all three nations have said there are no government plans to create such a union,although the idea has been discussed and proposed in academic and scholarly circles, either as a union or as a North American community as proposed by the Independent Task Force on North America. The formation of a North American Union has been the subject of various conspiracy theories.

Oh my lord it even says it's not real.

[Zan0ra]

How the f aam I suposed to get evidence am I suposed to get evidence when they wont even show it to us....

[The Batman]

Maybe there is nothing to show.

[Sapphire]

There is no evidence to support this conspiracy theory because it doesn't exist. There is actual evidence against it.

At 13 years old you should be learning about the world and the things that can help you build a good future for yourself and having a good time. Not being so gullible that you swallow such scare-mongering tripe as this.

[Requin]

Woah!!!!!!
Carm down there Zan, it's a free country, you beleive what you want to and others will disagree with you, that's life.

[Zan0ra]

On request i'm waiting for this thread to be locked. I have mentioned belief before but everyone seams to be blind.... They refuse to believe something they haven't even looked into.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

How much did you watch! honestly....The north American union was setup erasing all borders from Mexico, Canada and the united states. President bush signed a formal agreement. And he took the step without approval from either the U.S congress or the people of the united states.

north American union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union)

Oh sure, great. So the president can sign a little piece of paper erasing our borders... and CANADA doesn't even have to AGREE with him for him to be able to literally erase the borders of OUR country. He may have a lot of power in his own country, but there is a line drawn on simply doing as he pleases with his neighbouring country. If he ever did that, YOUR country (UK) would be right here with us, ready to declare war on the U.S. for what they've done. Claiming borders/land for your own country is pretty much seen as a declaration of war... so where are the bombs. I'm living right on the border here in Canada, and the border patrol here has INCREASED. It used to be so easy to get into the U.S. that you didn't even need a passport to enter the country from Canada. Now, you need a passport; if anything they are INCREASING the security of their borders, the exact OPPOSITE of what you BELIEVE. I KNOW, a bit different from believing.

[Zan0ra]

I'm not sure but I think he signed it with your country's and Mexico's president as well.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Um... NO. Never happened. Never WILL happen. We never want to give the U.S. more power than it already has.

[Sapphire]

I'm not sure but I think he signed it with your country's and Mexico's president as well.

It's never going to happen. I mean, look at England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. These four small countries can't even agree to be a united kingdom with one government so, how would it work between Mexico, the USA and Canada? It wouldn't.

[Zan0ra]

I dont know.... Only the president knows. As he controls our country's he makes the decision. Although highley unlickley, you never really know.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I dont know.... Only the president knows. As he controls our country's he makes the decision. Although highley unlickley, you never really know.

Yeah, we're all pretty sure YOU never really know. The president is an idiot. And now you claim he controls OUR countries, Canada, Mexico, and the UK. Are you kidding me?! Do as they've said before; read a book... a REAL history book for a change, and see reality for a second. Your argument of "you never really know" is NOT an argument for anything. If that were true I could tell you the Moon is made of blue cheese.... cuz you never really know.

[The Batman]

I dont know.... Only the president knows. As he controls our country's he makes the decision. Although highley unlickley, you never really know.
The president doesn't have as much control as you think he does. The whole reason why the United States government is built with three branches is so something like this won't happen.

[Sapphire]

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[Dolphus Raymond]

How the f aam I suposed to get evidence am I suposed to get evidence when they wont even show it to us....

On request i'm waiting for this thread to be locked. I have mentioned belief before but everyone seams to be blind.... They refuse to believe something they haven't even looked into.

Zan0ra, you seem to be looking for evidence to support a belief, and then saying the only reason you don't have it, is because it's hidden. That does not make sense. That's basing something on faith in it being true. If you don't have proof, there's no reason to believe it above anything else for which you don't have proof. A video saying it's true, but without documented proof, is not a justification.

If you "don't know," and don't have evidence, why do you believe?

How much did you watch! honestly....The north American union was setup erasing all borders from Mexico, Canada and the united states. President bush signed a formal agreement. And he took the step without approval from either the U.S congress or the people of the united states.

north American union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union)

A formal agreement for free trade...that's one huge Slippery Slope Fallacy, dude.

[The Batman]

Those three words sum up your knowledge on this whole topic perfectly.
Ok really now that is just rude this is a DEBATE not an argument so there is really no need to say that.

[Sapphire]

Ok really now that is just rude this is a DEBATE not an argument so there is really no need to say that.

He's admitted throughout this thread that he doesn't have proof and that he is uncertain. He's also been making up fake facts.
Uncertainty = lack of knowledge. The claim that WW1 was started by America = lack of knowledge. The claim that the US government are behind 9/11 = lack of knowledge. Believing the claim that the US, Mexico and Canada have signed this phantom document = lack of knowledge.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

So what if you weren't alive during past history events? It's still history, and still important.

You're only thirteen. Which clearly means you should probably be a bit more open minded and realize that the stuff you are watching or hearing may be a source of propaganda.

You're from the United Kingdom, so how would you know what's happening with our government? Do you chose to listen to all these videos bashing us, and making up total bullshit? Open a history book, and see whats really going on. Watch the news, read the news paper...anything... anything but listening to false information.

Thank-you.....haha. wow.

[Bobby]

I have seen way to much fighting in this thread and not enough debating. It was pushing the limits but the limits have been pushed far enough. I see this now, in a new light, as simply bashing the USA to some extent. With that being said...it's time for a...

http://www.jnps.tp.edu.tw/teachers/images/Lock2.jpg

Oh, any objections? PM me, please.