i think i've been having periods

[Yasmine]

as some of you know, i'm transgender. i have a complete male reproductive system on the outside, but i feel like i have a uterus. i noticed that a few times in my life, i had such bad cramps in my abdominal area that i hunched forward, and it took minutes for that horrible feeling to go away. i didn't think anything of it, because the first time it happened was in fourth grade, and the second time was during religion class, which was about sixth grade. those were the two times i had such bad cramps, but i didn't think it could've been a period. as a matter of fact, i have a mild cramp in that area, but i don't have to obsess over it. i think i might be intersexed. i got blood drawn back when i was in seventh grade, and the doctor said i had 40 testosterone, and that it was abnormally low for being a male at that age. the only thing i could think is that i have some sort of intersexed condition, and i did not allow the endocronologist to give me testosterone shots.

[Maverick]

As long as you have a male reproductive system regardless of how you may feel in your mind you cannot have periods.

[Yasmine]

Maverick, i have a friend online who has a full male reproductive system, and she menstruates out of her anus

[Maverick]

I find that hard to believe and anyone online can make up/fabricate whatever they want about themselves.

[Oblivion]

It is impossible to menstruate out your anus unless its connected to female organs that somehow fit in your body with no one noticing.

I doubt your friend is telling the truth.

[Yasmine]

i don't think she would be so expressive about it, if she was lying. she has chatted with me in a gender support chatroom. it would be a waste of time for her to make up stories when she is seeking support. she said the doctors were very surprised about it.

[Oblivion]

People join VT all the time to spam and annoy members, and make up stories. They seek 'support' but really just tell stories to get attention.

And of course it would be included in her story that she went to the doctor and they were surprised.

[Yasmine]

there really are people like this. i saw a show about it.

[BlackBetty]

i don't think she would be so expressive about it, if she was lying. she has chatted with me in a gender support chatroom. it would be a waste of time for her to make up stories when she is seeking support. she said the doctors were very surprised about it.

Some people may not have nothing better to do.

there really are people like this. i saw a show about it.


Well, if you want to think you are that, go ahead.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I would love proof then, only then will I believe this crap load.

[Yasmine]

I would love proof then, only then will I believe this crap load.

http://www.oprah.com/tows/slide/200709/20070921/slide_20070921_350_101.jhtml there's the proof.

[Rutherford The Brave]

That says nothing on her having periods where she bleeds out her ass, its a oprah show on hermphadites.....

[Yasmine]

it still has different conditions where you have both male and female reproductive organs. i could still believe her. there are more than one kinds of intersex you can have.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Still, having them doesn't mean the FUNCTION LIKE A NORMAL PAIR OF GENETIALS people are only concerned about the presence of them. They are usually broken and don't function, they are just there.

[Yasmine]

did you look through all the pages? there's different cases.

[Rutherford The Brave]

did you look through all the pages? there's different cases.

Look I got more important things to do than look through a bunch of pages about things I already know about. Once again they don't function its just the prescence of them that freaks people out and makes them wonder.

[byee]

Let me take a different approach, if I might. I've been following Yasmine's posts for some time now, and I think I understand things differently. Tell me how this sounds, Yasmine.

Being TG, your identity, how you experience yourself, is female, eventhough you have the anatomy of a male. What you have anatomically doesn't really affect how you 'see' (or experience) yourself. Actually, it gets in the way.

So, in your desire to identify with your experience as a girl, you're more likely to experience some physical sensations as female. So, the cramping you feel is most (psychologically) comforting for you as menstrual cramps. I think it speaks to the intensity of your desires.

As others here have pointed out to you, though, b/c you lack a uterus, you cannot actually have menstrual cramps, you just want to experience those feelings that way. However, it's anatomically impossible to have them. But, psychologically, you experience them in a way that fits your identity. So, instead of seeing it as gastric distress, you see it far more personally. This is the same explanation of your friend who has rectal bleeding, too.

It's OK to want to experience these things b/c it fits more comfortably with how you need to see yourself. But, it's also important to remember that it's perhaps best to see them as the psychological component of the bigger issue you have: Your comfort in experiencing yourself as female, even if it means changing the basic rules of physiology to do that.

I'd strongly recommend you advise your online friend to get some medical attention to assess and treat that rectal bleeding, as it is not a good sign.

And, as I encouraged you yesterday, i so like the idea of regular, weekly, 45 minute sessions with your therapist to help you better understand the sources and meanings of these very intense feelings you have.

[Yasmine]

that's not what i'm doing. i really think that i could be intersexed. did you look at the link for the oprah show? there are people who have organs of both sexes. no one who goes on oprah would tell lies.

[Oblivion]

Oprah is a rehearsed drama TV show to entertain people.
Why WOULDN'T they tell lies to entertain people?

[Yasmine]

that would be false advertising. talking about intersex isn't meant to be entertaining. it was meant to shed light, as the link said.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Yes, but the point is you can't be intersexed (no matter how much you WANT to be) unless you get definitive proof from your doctor; and they would have known by now if you had female genitals somewhere inside your abdomen.

[Yasmine]

you're intersexed your whole life, even when you don't know it. the doctors i've gone to aren't smart enough to understand gender. it takes a certain amount of educatation that they don't have.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

the doctors i've gone to aren't smart enough to understand gender. it takes a certain amount of educatation that they don't have.

I think it's a matter of principle for a doctor to know the physical attributes of the male and female genders. Now I know the whole mental aspect is a totally different story (where you in fact are totally female, in the way that your brain is wired). But if you haven't had an abdominal x-ray and they didn't discover female genitalia at birth, there's no WAY for them to know if you're carrying female organs. If you have such a strong belief that you ARE, then get an x-ray and prove it once and for all. I strongly agree with the others in that since you've seen doctors about the PHYSICAL side of things, you should see a psychologist concerning your mental "female" state and how you associate physical feelings (cramps, pain) with female experiences (menstruation) and why this is all happening.

[Yasmine]

you can't see female organs. they are internal. as i said before, i have a full male external genitalia. when i was born they saw it and pronounced me a boy. if i had an ambiguous looking genitalia, they would have done x rays. doctors aren't superheroes. they can be just as dumb and ignorant as anyone else in this world. it's very easy to see that a female has a male intersex condition, but it's a different story with me.

[byee]

Yasmine, listen, reread my post, I think it makes a lot of sense.

If you were intersexed, you would have known this befire now, a doc would have picked up on it. It's in your head, it's what you need.

I don't doubt that Oprah had a person who was intersexed on her show, I just think you're overidentifying with it for your own psychological reasons.

[Techno Monster]

This thread is really confusing me.
I googled it, and menstruates out of her anus=impossible
I get back pain out of the blue too (Impossible for me to get periods, due to messed up ovaries.), sometimes if I do to much physical activity I also get pain.
If you think you have got a uterus/ovaries, go to the doctor or wherever, and get an ultrasound.


NICK- Oprah DOES NOT lie, do not under estimate her awesome power.

[RaisingSand]

Let me take a different approach, if I might. I've been following Yasmine's posts for some time now, and I think I understand things differently. Tell me how this sounds, Yasmine.

Being TG, your identity, how you experience yourself, is female, eventhough you have the anatomy of a male. What you have anatomically doesn't really affect how you 'see' (or experience) yourself. Actually, it gets in the way.

So, in your desire to identify with your experience as a girl, you're more likely to experience some physical sensations as female. So, the cramping you feel is most (psychologically) comforting for you as menstrual cramps. I think it speaks to the intensity of your desires.

As others here have pinted out to you, though, b/c you lack a uterus, you cannot actually have menstrual cramps, you just want to experience those feelings that way. However, it's anatomically impossible to have them. But, psychologically, you experience them in a way that fits your identity. So, instead of seeing it as gastric distress, you see it far more personally. This is the same explanation of your friend who has rectal bleeding, too.

It's OK to want to experience these things b/c it fits more comfortably with how you need to see yourself. But, it's also important to remember that it's perhaps best to see them as the psychological component of the bigger issue you have: Your comfort in experiencing yourself as female, even if it means changing the basic rules of physiology to do that.

I'd strongly recommend you advise your online friend to get some medical attention to assess and treat that rectal bleeding, as it is not a good sign.

And, as I encouraged you yesterday, i so like the idea of regular, weekly, 45 minute sessions with your therapist to help you better understand the sources and meanings of these very intense feelings you have.

I agree with Sam 100%.

Also; it's impossible for one to menstruate out of their anus; your friend is lying.

[Antares]

However it is possible to have male organs outside and female inside. Well kinda. You know that "man" whos having a baby. The one thats been in the news alot lately. He is a prime example. Anyways umm no I do not htink you are having periods because you dont have female organs and they do not occur monthly, bimonthly, trimontly, or in any pattern if it is true how you descibed.

[Yasmine]

Yasmine, listen, reread my post, I think it makes a lot of sense.

If you were intersexed, you would have known this befire now, a doc would have picked up on it. It's in your head, it's what you need.

I don't doubt that Oprah had a person who was intersexed on her show, I just think you're overidentifying with it for your own psychological reasons.

i still don't know why i got those bad cramps in the past, and i also don't know why i'm getting the mild ones now. if you remember, i said things about my hormones. i have hormones as a reason to think this way.

[Antares]

Well if you have hormones that make you think this way then IAMSAM is right. It is a figment of your imagination. However, I think my post makes a lot of sense also. The information you provided us does not match up to symptoms of periods.

[sean ly]

you can't see female organs. they are internal. as i said before, i have a full male external genitalia. when i was born they saw it and pronounced me a boy. if i had an ambiguous looking genitalia, they would have done x rays. doctors aren't superheroes. they can be just as dumb and ignorant as anyone else in this world. it's very easy to see that a female has a male intersex condition, but it's a different story with me.

So you have male sex organs, and you are a girl? You have the balls and dick? I am a guy myself....

[Rutherford The Brave]

So you have male sex organs, and you are a girl? You have the balls and dick? I am a guy myself....

She is a girl trapped in a man's body. Don't just assume anything Sean ly, I said it before their is no way you could possibly be having your period, your pituitary gland is set to male, thus not producing estrogen, which in turn would not produce an egg which would get the menstrual cycle to begin.

[RaisingSand]

i still don't know why i got those bad cramps in the past, and i also don't know why i'm getting the mild ones now. if you remember, i said things about my hormones. i have hormones as a reason to think this way.

I seriously doubt you are intersexed. If you have normal-sized male reproductive organs, that's what you've got to work with. Your GP would have picked up long ago if you had any sort of "lady bits" in you, because if so, that would have caused some complications and would have been discovered most likely during childhood/puberty.
These cramps you're having could be for many reasons, could be bad digestion, stress, who knows. But I agree with Sam when he says they are most likely a deep pyschological desire to be female. If you were having periods, yet not bleeding out (aka, if you had a uterus and ovaries and were cycling, lining of uterus building up and shedding) as you say for a couple of months, you would be on the floor in extreme pain from a build up of blood and menstrual fluid inside you that couldn't be released.
What you are experiencing is NOT a period(s).

[Yasmine]

they aren't really "normal" sized. when i said i have a full male genitalia, i only meant that there's no malformations to it. it isn't shaped like a vulva, like some ambigous genitals are. i can't ejaculate, and i'm 16. the penis is very small, and it wrinkles down. whether you want to believe my friend or not, she said she has a full male genitalia. she told me that she had 611 testosterone, and that her body didn't use it. i don't think she would have told me about that if she was lying.

[Yasmine]

However it is possible to have male organs outside and female inside. Well kinda. You know that "man" whos having a baby. The one thats been in the news alot lately. He is a prime example. Anyways umm no I do not htink you are having periods because you dont have female organs and they do not occur monthly, bimonthly, trimontly, or in any pattern if it is true how you descibed.

Neptune, you're thinking the wrong things about that. he didn't get impregnated because he's intersexed. he got pregnant because he still has the female organs from birth. he is a female to male transgender.

you all need a better understanding of what i'm talking about. the support website i go to is called http://www.susans.org/. there's forums there, and a chatroom. it has lots of information. you could even log in as a guest, and ask them for yourselves.

[BlackBetty]

Be intersexed all you want, but you can't be

[Yasmine]

Be intersexed all you want, but you can't be

did you even look at that link?

[Oblivion]

I seriously doubt you are intersexed. If you have normal-sized male reproductive organs, that's what you've got to work with. Your GP would have picked up long ago if you had any sort of "lady bits" in you, because if so, that would have caused some complications and would have been discovered most likely during childhood/puberty.
These cramps you're having could be for many reasons, could be bad digestion, stress, who knows. But I agree with Sam when he says they are most likely a deep pyschological desire to be female. If you were having periods, yet not bleeding out (aka, if you had a uterus and ovaries and were cycling, lining of uterus building up and shedding) as you say for a couple of months, you would be on the floor in extreme pain from a build up of blood and menstrual fluid inside you that couldn't be released.
What you are experiencing is NOT a period(s).

This is really the best anyone can say for you.
If you were intersexed, your doctor would have noticed a long time ago.
Even if they were the worst doctor in the world, they would have noticed.

Also, on a slightly nastier note, there are more ways to bleed out your anus than being intersex.

[doktored]

Well I know there is a condition where people are both male and female. I saw it in a video in science class.

[Sapphire]

If I were you Yasmine and I wanted to know for definite, then I would talk to my doctor about it. If nothing is resolved this way then get an ultrasound arranged. That way your mind is put at ease and you are completely aware of what is going on with your body.

[Yasmine]

too many people think that this is unheard of, but they aren't looking into it. i'm not just going to assume there's nothing different about me. intersex people and transgender people make up a very small part of the worlds population. that is why people automatically assume they know everything about it, when really the know very little. i'm gonna tell someone how i feel about myself. there are people who have been born intersexed, and dies without ever knowing it. i'm only going to admit i'm not intersexed when i get all the scans and they can't find any female organs.

[Sapphire]

Yasmine, that is the best attitude to have!!
It doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, just do what you have to do so that you can put your mind at ease. If you were to listen to everyone else over your body then you would be forever thinking "what would the scans have shown?". Get the scans, to hell with what everyone else says.

[Yasmine]

i'm glad i found someone who is on the same page as me. can i add you as a friend? i'm also going to add to your reputation.

[Sapphire]

Yes, of course you can add me as a friend :)

[Antares]

Yasmine, I am very sorry. I know you really want and need the help from us. However, I think the users have givin all of the help they can in this thread. There are some posts which I think answered your question. However, this thread has 40 replies and it is getting off subject at some points. So I am going to lock it.

Thread :locked:

[Antares]

Okay, I am going to reopen this thread because some people thought that it wasn't completely answered correctly however I want everyone to say on topic and answer the question that was asked by the OP otherwise I will lock it again.

Thread un:locked:

[Zan0ra]

wow yasmine. Well I agree with dig it. No one can say your not intersexed because they simply haven't seen. Go get the scans/x-ray's To either say you are wrong or right and then no on scan argue with that. If it turns out you are inter sexed then don't let that stop you from leading a full life. Scans and x-rays are nothing to worry about. I have had both. Hope to hear from you soon.

[RaisingSand]

Alrighty, everything on the physical side has basically been covered, so all that I really think can be done at this point in time is that you need to go and see your school counsellor, have a bit of a chat with him/her and see if you can get yourself referred to a counsellor or pyschologist who specialises in transgender issues.

[Yasmine]

i'm gonna tell my therapist about this the next time i see her. i don't want to tell my mom first, because i don't think she'll know what i'm talking about. i think my therapist would have more knowledge about intersex even though she doesn't specialize in gender. she has met alot of different people.

[Zan0ra]

Great. You're on the right track yasmine.

[RaisingSand]

i'm gonna tell my therapist about this the next time i see her. i don't want to tell my mom first, because i don't think she'll know what i'm talking about. i think my therapist would have more knowledge about intersex even though she doesn't specialize in gender. she has met alot of different people.

First of all, you need to sort of chuck away the decision you have made that you are intersexed. Probability is just that you are transgender, and have naturally low testosterone levels. Biff that label for now, talk to your therapist, and after sorting some things out in that area, and you still have and underlying belief that you are intersexed, consult your physician for further testing.
I am still extremely skeptical that you could be, it would have been picked up long ago.

[Sapphire]

Having thought a bit more about this topic I have a couple of questions for you, Yasmine. Please, bear with me here!

When you say you are "transgender" what do you mean?
What do you mean by the term "intersexed"?
Is it not possible that you think you are intersexed because you are transgender? In other words, does it feel more like a possibility because you are transgender?

[Yasmine]

Having thought a bit more about this topic I have a couple of questions for you, Yasmine. Please, bear with me here!

When you say you are "transgender" what do you mean?
What do you mean by the term "intersexed"?
Is it not possible that you think you are intersexed because you are transgender? In other words, does it feel more like a possibility because you are transgender?
transgender means that i have the external male genitals, and my parents raised me as a boy, but i have a girls brain. living as a boy is not right for me. i hate it with all my passion. i want to transition into a girl. when i say i'm intersexed, i mean that i think i have female gonads. i think instead of a prostate, i have a uterus. i'm not talking about an amiguous genitalia. i'm talking about having female gonads inside of me. i never ejaculated, by the way. it's not that i think i'm intersexed just because i'm transgender. i have other evidence. transgender is just one clue. it also has to do with hormones, and the cramps i've gotten.

[The Batman]

I have had bad abdominal cramps does that mean I'm having a period? No, it doesn't it just means I'm growing through puberty. Both boys and girls will experience abdominal pains during puberty it's just that it happens to girls more often and comes with a discharge. As for your friend having anal menstruation it could be that he or she is wiping to hard while sitting on the toilet.

[Yasmine]

it depends on the type of cramp you're having.

[The Batman]

Omg it's like talking to a brick wall. What other kind of cramps could it be

[Yasmine]

Omg it's like talking to a brick wall. What other kind of cramps could it be

it could also be the soreness of the abdominal muscle. i already said, you guys aren't going to be able to talk me out of my belief.

[byee]

I think the larger question, Yasmine, is how we all can be of help to you here. What would you like, what would be helpful?

[Yasmine]

i want you to educate yourselves on this, instead of automatically telling me i'm wrong. there's too many people who are dodging the topic and telling me it's something else.

[byee]

What's the topic? What are people dodging?

[Yasmine]

people are dodging the fact that it's possible i'm intersexed. i posted a link on this, and everyone else seems to keep tearing me down over and over.

[Zan0ra]

When are your scans due.? If its possible to spead it up, its suggested.

[Yasmine]

i didn't have any scans done yet.

[byee]

people are dodging the fact that it's possible i'm intersexed. i posted a link on this, and everyone else seems to keep tearing me down over and over.

So, what is it you'd like from us, what is your question?

I think the only person who could confirm or disprove your being intersexed is an MD. It's best to tke all of this up with him/her, and let the tests indicate what is going on for you.

You need a lot of support, I can see where the last thing you need is confrontation. Maybe if your questions or needs were simply and directly put, it wouldn't feel so argumentative to you. What can we help you with?

[The Batman]

I really don't think there is a question, I think that the OP just came on here looking for reassurance that he can have a period when it it physically impossible. We have stated our opinions on the matter but they all have been shot down by the OP because he refuses to take our thoughts into consideration. With that being said I don't think that there is anything else that we can say to him Sam, because no matter what it's only what he thinks that matters. This is just my opinion if it is offensive I am truly sorry.

[Yasmine]

please do not refer to me as "he"

So, what is it you'd like from us, what is your question?

I think the only person who could confirm or disprove your being intersexed is an MD. It's best to tke all of this up with him/her, and let the tests indicate what is going on for you.

You need a lot of support, I can see where the last thing you need is confrontation. Maybe if your questions or needs were simply and directly put, it wouldn't feel so argumentative to you. What can we help you with?

originally, i was thinking people would know about this, and apparently not. i wanted to find ideas from other people on what kind of intersex condition i could have, but a great majority of people aren't making the effort to look at the links i showed them, or see things the way i see them. people are starting to explode on me, rather than open their minds to this.

[Sapphire]

People are only coming across like taht because they don't understand. they dont understand because they dont know about it all. they dont know about it all because they havent looked. etc etc.

I stand by what I said earlier: get the scans and put your mind at rest.
I am sorry that my questions opened this all up again, I just wanted to sort things out in my own mind a little better. I apologise and wish you lots of luck with your scans!

[Yasmine]

i appreciate that you are giving me the support i was looking for.

[Maverick]

Just because people are telling you things you don't want to hear doesn't mean they aren't trying to support you. You were already convinced in what you thought is the truth so making this thread was a waste of time.

You said in the thread title "I think i've been having periods." Think means uncertainly but it sounds like you have your own perception of the truth.

You won't know until you see a doctor but you will have to be prepared for the fact that this all could be disproved.

[Yasmine]

the main reason i didn't feel supported was because they didn't look at it from my point of view, and they made no effort to look at it that way. it's not so much that they are telling me the things i don't want to hear, that makes me feel unsupported. it was more of the attitude, and lack of interest in the situation.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Well most of all, I DEFINITELY support you in finding all the answers you can. You just may have to face that they aren't the answers you wanted. Nonetheless, I wish you the best of luck in figuring all of this out (I sure know I'd have a hell of a time with it myself!).

[Maverick]

the main reason i didn't feel supported was because they didn't look at it from my point of view, and they made no effort to look at it that way. it's not so much that they are telling me the things i don't want to hear, that makes me feel unsupported. it was more of the attitude, and lack of interest in the situation.
From that point of view I see what you mean.

[Zan0ra]

Well I support you Yasmine. And I know that everything will be back to normal again soon.