Do you believe in Aliens???

[Techno Monster]

Do you believe in Aliens? After all, the universie is a HUGE place. Please back up your answer with a reason, and vote on the poll. Also, what is your opinion about area 51? I want to hear your thoughts.

[Rutherford The Brave]

No such things is both cases. Thats just how I stand.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I've read a few times that the mathematical chance of some form of life (sentient or otherwise) out there is pretty high, which surprised me. Aliens, as in self-aware creatures? I dunno anything about that science. I'm skeptical, and definitely don't believe, but I don't know enough to say.

[george]

I believe that of course theres aliens out there. We're not the only living thing in this whole universe, and if we are, we're gonna get bored as hell after a while lol As for area 51, I'm not really sure if I think its real.

[serial-thrilla]

of course other life forms exist in this universe. do you have any idea how vast and huge it is? It would be an arrogant thing to believe that we're the only planet with life. Earth is a tiny little nothing in universe.

[george]

Have you guys ever wondered if theres something bigger than the universe? Like for instance, like we have the atom, what if earth was an atom, and theres actually something way way way bigger than us? And we simply are tiny little things. Or maybe we (earth) are like the equivalanet to the nucleus of an atom and the atom is our solar system? :D Lol I'm weird >.< I think about a lot of stuff.

[serial-thrilla]

Have you guys ever wondered if theres something bigger than the universe? Like for instance, like we have the atom, what if earth was an atom, and theres actually something way way way bigger than us? And we simply are tiny little things. Or maybe we (earth) are like the equivalanet to the nucleus of an atom and the atom is our solar system? :D Lol I'm weird >.< I think about a lot of stuff. yes, I have although the earth is so tiny and irrelevant in the whole universe (universe meaning everything and anything that exists) I believe the earth is much much smaller then even an atom in contrast to the universe. Of course theres something much bigger then us. We havent traveled the universe (let alone our own galaxy) to explore for life, because we lack the technology.

I urge everyone who says that the entire universe is without life to really think about that statement and how ignorant that sounds.

[japanman]

Aera 51 is just a place were ppl experiment with planes and such thus why there used to be wierd planes.

there might me some organism that thinks in space and they arnt aliens they are just like us or not either way they arnt aliens.

[Underground_Network]

Aliens exist. Area 51, well I don't know what Area 51 exactly is, I mean, I believe it exists, since it does exist, there's no questioning its existence, since it is apparent that it exists... But yeah, I won't go on with that... If by the existence of Area 51 you are referring to the existence of alien life or alien life postmortem/alien technology, I highly doubt it. Do I think that Area 51 is an interesting place, yeah, and do I think the government is hiding something from us that's going on there, yeah, but is it necessarily extraterrestrial, no.

EDIT: Explanation on why aliens exist: I read somewhere that the possibility that there are aliens out there [and I'm not just referring to microorganisms, I'm referring to complex organisms (similar in a sense to ourselves)] as it is stated somewhere that there is [I believe] a 99.9817% chance that there are aliens out there. The universe is so vast, and I think alien life is never going to be proven or disproved. If there are aliens out there, I highly doubt they have technology far superior than ours and thus I doubt they can ever make contact with us. It is apparent that in our galaxy there is no life other than our own, though I do believe a long, long time ago [millions of years or more] life existed on Mars [probably microorganisms though, not something even insect-sized]. Thinking about how vast the universe is, to think we are the only complex beings out there is just plain ignorant.

[Oblivion]

In my opinion aliens must exist
If the universe goes on forever
There must be other planets with life on them
Actually there would be infinity planets with life on them O.o
Lol. Creepy :)

[raiders rule]

Well i saw on like the history channel or something like that that any lifeforms out there would have about a billion years ahead of us so i think ya they probally could have the technology to go from solar system to solar system, i mean, like you said, the universe is HUGE and we cant be the only ones.

[Camazotz]

I think there are definitly aliens out there. And theres something strange that the government is hiding in Area 51.

[Sage]

Surgery done on people who have claimed to have been abducted by aliens showed small fragments of an unknown metal implanted in them. Upon further analysis it was revealed that not only did these fragments come from a type of asteroid that is extremely rare, but that the fragments had been modified and manufactured in some aspect.

And Area 51 is just an experimental aircraft testing facility, which explains the funny lights in the sky.

[Techno Monster]

If there aren't aliens in area 51, why would secrity be so tight?
There are 1000000000000000000000 celestial bodies out there in our galaxy ALONE (that is a 1 with 21 0's)
And people think we are ALONE...
There used to be water on Mars.
There is life out there, and eventually, we will find it, not in this century though...

[Ryandel]

Eh, I'm not a firm believer. But we seriously can't be the only other life form. I don't believe in Alien sitings though... seem very bs to me

-Alex D

[Texmex21]

Of course i believe in "aliens". There has to be someone else out there. I do also belive in area 51 cause it actually does exist but i dont belive the reaserch they do there is real

[MoveAlong]

I believe that there is life, and probably intelligent life, somewhere else in the galaxy.

[Oblivion]

Alien can mean any life form on another planet right?
Not just the stereotypical human shaped green monsters with funky eyes?

[Zephyr]

Ya.
My dad and I have seen UFO's on a couple of occasions.

[ShatteredWings]

well i question intelegent life on this planet sometimes.... lol

aliens: yes. i mean, its pretty much impossiable. aliens that live on an earth like planet with a nitrogen/oxygen atomsphrere is less likely [meaning, not star-trek universe aliens.. unless its a horta(silicone being)]

oh yea, lets NOT forget the fact that ther's been microorgnisme fosilsed found on mars.....

area 51: i really don't undestand it..... totaly lost on that subject sorry lol

[serial-thrilla]

If aliens ever legitamently make contact with humans here on earth they will most likely be millions of years more advanced then us, and will probably not be too interested in our primative way of life.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

If aliens ever legitamently make contact with humans here on earth they will most likely be millions of years more advanced then us, and will probably not be too interested in our primative way of life.

It seems that we've always had this idea that aliens are ALWAYS gonna be super-intelligent, super-advanced beings that are wayyy ahead of us. But when you really think about it; life hadn't really become possible in this universe until no more than 5 billion years ago (I did my research, don't worry :cool:); that's right, 13.8 billion to 5 billion years ago there were NO planets. There were only stars. So in the early stages of the universe the only elements in EXISTENCE were helium and hydrogen. However, the more dense elements (metals, etc.) began to form in the cores of the very first stars to exist, and as stars blew up basically, more and more elements were released. What this means is, we have Earth and all our planets because our Sun is a third (or maybe fourth) generation star; that is, two or three stars have existed BEFORE our Sun, which ejected material over time as they died to create our solar system.

NOW... what did all that gobblygook mean? It means that if there are any civilized forms of alien life in the universe (and I'm sure there is), this alien life has only had about 4 billion years to develope, same as us. That would suggest that alien life is either at the same level of intellect/advancement as WE are, or they're only SLIGHTLY ahead of us or even behind us.

It really isn't a question of IF there is alien life. It's pretty much a certainty; the odds of life are something like (okay I'll be generous) 10 billion to 1. However, in our galaxy alone we have 100 billion stars. That means theoretically speaking we should at LEAST have 100 planets in this galaxy alone that support life. We've discovered planets orbiting stars close to us (about 7-20 light years away) but so far we've only been able to detect the really BIG planets, gas giants that can't support life. But this is just because we don't have the technology right now to find anything smaller, as it is we can only find these giant planets if they orbit in FRONT of our view of the star, causing it's light to wobble!

Phew! How was that? :yeah:

[serial-thrilla]

It seems that we've always had this idea that aliens are ALWAYS gonna be super-intelligent, super-advanced beings that are wayyy ahead of us. But when you really think about it; life hadn't really become possible in this universe until no more than 5 billion years ago (I did my research, don't worry :cool:); that's right, 13.8 billion to 5 billion years ago there were NO planets. There were only stars. So in the early stages of the universe the only elements in EXISTENCE were helium and hydrogen. However, the more dense elements (metals, etc.) began to form in the cores of the very first stars to exist, and as stars blew up basically, more and more elements were released. What this means is, we have Earth and all our planets because our Sun is a third (or maybe fourth) generation star; that is, two or three stars have existed BEFORE our Sun, which ejected material over time as they died to create our solar system.

NOW... what did all that gobblygook mean? It means that if there are any civilized forms of alien life in the universe (and I'm sure there is), this alien life has only had about 4 billion years to develope, same as us. That would suggest that alien life is either at the same level of intellect/advancement as WE are, or they're only SLIGHTLY ahead of us or even behind us.

It really isn't a question of IF there is alien life. It's pretty much a certainty; the odds of life are something like (okay I'll be generous) 10 billion to 1. However, in our galaxy alone we have 100 billion stars. That means theoretically speaking we should at LEAST have 100 planets in this galaxy alone that support life. We've discovered planets orbiting stars close to us (about 7-20 light years away) but so far we've only been able to detect the really BIG planets, gas giants that can't support life. But this is just because we don't have the technology right now to find anything smaller, as it is we can only find these giant planets if they orbit in FRONT of our view of the star, causing it's light to wobble!

Phew! How was that? :yeah: we really dont know for a fact that nothing existed in this universe previous to 5 billion years ago. Its whats been assumed but there is zero concrete evidence to support this. For all we know the universe is endless with trillions of galaxys larger then our own and we havent even been around our own galaxy. Time warps/black holes and lots of other outer space mysterys could contribute to a race of aliens developing faster then us, or they could simply be born more intelligent. You really need to think outside the box on these types of issues.

What we think we know about the universe is very limited and cant be proven. The reason i said that if we ran into aliens on earth they would be much more advanced then we are is the fact that they would have traveled thousands, or millions of light years away to reach earth.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

we really dont know for a fact that nothing existed in this universe previous to 5 billion years ago. Its whats been assumed but there is zero concrete evidence to support this. For all we know the universe is endless with trillions of galaxys larger then our own and we havent even been around our own galaxy. Time warps/black holes and lots of other outer space mysterys could contribute to a race of aliens developing faster then us, or they could simply be born more intelligent. You really need to think outside the box on these types of issues.

What we think we know about the universe is very limited and cant be proven. The reason i said that if we ran into aliens on earth they would be much more advanced then we are is the fact that they would have traveled thousands, or millions of light years away to reach earth.

Which is the very reason why we will never have contact with them, not in our lifetime and probably never. It just isn't possible, unless they want to get into a ship and wait thousands of years to get here (sorry, travel at the speed of light is impossible). And I didn't imply that nothing existed 5 billion years ago. What I mean is the universe didn't have the elements necessary to create planets of metal and rock until around 5 billion years ago. At the Big Bang all there was (in existence) were photons; we had hydrogen and helium very soon (almost instantly) afterwards. Sadly "time warps" are a thing of science FICTION, there is no evidence for them at all (whatever you think they are), we know much more about our universe than you think. Conservative measurements for the size of our universe were first at 13.8 billion light years (the same as the age of the universe) but we now realize that isn't plausible. The measurements grew to around 28 billion light years across; higher end estimates are around 70 billion light years. A new theory of exponential expansion was proposed to put the universe around 156 billion light years, but it has a lot of bugs to work out and hasn't been generally accepted. So yes, we don't know the exact size, but we know it can't be larger than that. Thinking outside the box won't change science; although it certainly helps to get things discovered.

Any contact at this time is simply impossible; the radio signals we've sent out to space were useless. At the time (the 1970's) we thought that our radio signals could travel onwards indefinitely across space, so in effect you could still "pick up" our transmissions at any time. We know now, however, that all radio signals we've ever sent out just degrade into useless white noise (static) within two light years. This kinda sucks... considering our closest neighbouring star is 5 light years farther than that.

[Underground_Network]

I like the theory that states that we're all aliens anyways... That we evolved from organisms that did not originate on this planet...

[serial-thrilla]

Which is the very reason why we will never have contact with them, not in our lifetime and probably never. It just isn't possible, unless they want to get into a ship and wait thousands of years to get here (sorry, travel at the speed of light is impossible). And I didn't imply that nothing existed 5 billion years ago. What I mean is the universe didn't have the elements necessary to create planets of metal and rock until around 5 billion years ago. At the Big Bang all there was (in existence) were photons; we had hydrogen and helium very soon (almost instantly) afterwards. Sadly "time warps" are a thing of science FICTION, there is no evidence for them at all (whatever you think they are), we know much more about our universe than you think. Conservative measurements for the size of our universe were first at 13.8 billion light years (the same as the age of the universe) but we now realize that isn't plausible. The measurements grew to around 28 billion light years across; higher end estimates are around 70 billion light years. A new theory of exponential expansion was proposed to put the universe around 156 billion light years, but it has a lot of bugs to work out and hasn't been generally accepted. So yes, we don't know the exact size, but we know it can't be larger than that. Traveling at the speed of light is not possible for humans at this point in time but by no means does that mean that nothing can accomplish it. Your basing alot of your points on the Big Bang which is a Theory. Its the best way thus far that we to explain how our galaxy and beyond came to be. You may have done a lot of research on this topic. Im simply stating that nothing is for sure, and our knowledge of science is quite primative and we have not done and probably will never be able to do the research and exploration we need to really get to the bottom of the universe.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I like the theory that states that we're all aliens anyways... That we evolved from organisms that did not originate on this planet...

Well in the barest sense... you know that's true. I recommend you watch Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. It is one of the best documentaries on the history... of EVERYTHING that I have ever seen. In it Sagan is quoted as saying "we're made of star stuff" in a very lord of the rings type voice. But it really is true; we are, in fact, the result of a very old star that blew up 5 to 6 billion years ago, which paved the way for our Sun to be born, and with it have the necessary elements to allow for rocky and gaseous planets to form. Life only began as we know it around 1 billion years ago on Earth as we can conclusively point out multi-celled microbes in rock formations of the period. But Earth had a very shaky start; before things settled down we had a very turbulent planet on our hands. Then a huge planetoid struck the Earth around 3.5 billion years ago, creating some of the asteroid belt as well as ejecting material that formed our Moon. This planetoid may have carried life, or we could have started life ourselves by creating the first DNA molecules (search abiogenesis for more info).

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Traveling at the speed of light is not possible for humans at this point in time but by no means does that mean that nothing can accomplish it. .

One thing CAN accomplish it. LIGHT!

I don't know wether I should get into the physics of it (this was originally about aliens, remember way back then? :P), but what the hell. This goes for humans and aliens alike:

The speed of light is impossible because:

1. You would need an INFINITE amount of energy to propel yourself; impossible.

2. Traveling at such speeds would make the mass of your body (and the spaceship) INFINITELY heavy. Your mass would kill you; or destroy a large order of the space you travel through; no solid element could take such stresses and you'd be destroyed instantly, that's why only light can go so fast, since light is made of photons (which have no mass).

3. If you even approached this speed you'd become so dense that you'd collapse in on yourself and create an insanely huge singularity; I'm talking a black hole large enough to support a galaxy (like the massive black hole at the center of the Milky Way, which holds our galaxy together).

And please, have the common sense to not say that the Big Bang is "just" a theory. Match my reasearch on the topic and prove why it's only worthy of being called a theory and I'll listen. I don't mean to be a party pooper or anything I'm just giving you the straight facts. If you want me to prove the big bang.... feel free to ask.... but jeeze it will make me type a lot :P

[Techno Monster]

^ The big bang did happen.
If we traveled faster than the speed of light, do you think time would also behave differently?

[ThatCanadianGuy]

^ The big bang did happen.
If we traveled faster than the speed of light, do you think time would also behave differently?

Absolutely. If we would PRETEND (by now I'm sure you know how much I'm against this being possible :rolleyes:) that we could go to the speed of light, time itself would be very different. We usually think of time as a stationary thing, to us here on Earth time never speeds up, or slows down. But to look outside of our little spot in the universe, we have to understand spacetime. Yup, just one word: spacetime. Since we put space and time together in that word... we really mean it; they are inter-connected. Time influences space, and space influences time in the universe as if it was just one measurement. We can even see this WITHOUT THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Atomic clocks (which are extremely accurate) have been synchronised here on Earth; one clock has remained on Earth while we've sent another one up into space on our shuttles. After a short orbit around the Earth we brought the clock back down and they could actually observe that the clock that had been in space was BEHIND the other clock; time didn't so much slow down, its more like LESS TIME OCCURED. And all of this was due to gravity; as we get deep into relativity, gravity plays a huge part in time dilations especially when considering the speed of light. But I won't get deep into that now :D

Here's the light speed example you wanted: Say I travelled at the speed of light to the star Alpha Centauri; a little over 4 light years from our own solar system. Since it's 4 lightyears away; wouldn't it be safe to assume that at the speed of light, it would take you 4 years to get there? Of course! Traveling at the speed of light it would take me 4 years to reach that star. 4 years to the OUTSIDE universe, that is. What I mean is that 4 years would pass in the universe, HOWEVER to you it would feel like MUCH less than 4 years. To you it would feel maybe a little under 1 year had passed, while on Earth eveybody else's calender says that it's now 2012, yours says its 2009.

[Underground_Network]

^ The big bang did happen.


Yup, I caused it.

Okay, back to being serious, I think anything is possible. I think even if all things started at around the same time, and there are other forms of intelligent life out there, they are not necessarily as advanced as us, but they could easily be more advanced than us. You have to realize if there is other life out there, even if it started around the same time as us, it could evolve at both a faster or slower rate. And once it evolved to a "human-like" species, said species could grow more intelligent faster or slower than we did. It could also depend on the resources available to them on their planet. We have to presume that certain life forms can survive on planets that we cannot and vice versa. I mean, look at the conditions in which certain microscopic bacteria can live in. Many scientists believe said bacteria to be alien, and even more agree that it is probably possible that said bacteria could survive on a foreign planet/a planet uninhabitable by humans.

[0=]

I live in southern California; I go to school with them, so of course I believe in them.

On a more serious note, it's stupid not to. The universe is such a massive place, why would our planet be the only one populated by life?

[MomoRacer]

I live in southern California; I go to school with them, so of course I believe in them.
lol.

I believe in Aliens. I also believe in Area 51, (search it in Google Earth) but I don't think they're related. Area 51 is a government place.

[ssgliberty]

yes for mutible resons but list one my moms boyfriends brother has a tape that shows one of the presidents talking to one that crashed here :D:)

[Zan0ra]

There is possibly life in the oceans under the ice or Europa! why cant life breed down there if it can do the same thing at the very bottom of our oceans. As for the actually matter itself. I have my own theory which links everything.

10,000 bc - During the ice age aliens or EBE's or more commonly called greys. Landed on earth. They constructed the pyramids as a beacon. They created the sphinx and under its left paw hides the temple which contains ......... perhaps the lost records of time? they also constructed land marks on mars such as the d and m pyramid and the face which if we are corrected, has the exact same layout as the sphinx.

10,500 bc - Orion's belt starts aligned perfectly with the pyramids on the ground as the aliens fled earth leaving behind there existence for a future civilization to find. At this time the sphinx was staring at its own image in the sky. The continent of leo.

2000-ish bc - the Egyptians found these monuments and edited them to make it look like they had constructed it. ed: tombs in pyramids/head thing on sphinx.

later date AD - the Mayan civilization found the crystal skulls give to earth as a symbol of there existence. They kept them safe and merged there skulls in a similar way. They discovered the temple in which the 13 skulls must be placed to safe guard the earth and protected it. which a stone building placed around it.

2012 - the earth will undercover massive natural disasters unless all 13 skulls are played back in the temple which will repel the dangers that earth face. After which the alien civilization shall return to earth from there home world.

proof:
archaeologists found a temple belief the sphinx's left paw
the sphinx is the only thing that has been weathered by water when everything else is weathered by sand.
The Mayans predict the end of the 13 long count calendar to end on December 21st 2012
the sphinx should have vanished into the ground well over 500 years ago
the pyramids have only traveled down a meter but would be almost buried in the ground by now.
a man known as victor claims he has an alien interview on tape *I have seen this*

Video's:
truth about the sphinx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLErTapJlM)
sacred geometry of the sphinx/pyramids of giza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czISLzICp9s)
true ages revealed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsofKUDXds4)
the face on mars and sphinx *must see!* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6Vn-wqlh8)
mystery of the sphinx *all 5 part's are there* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PotS7hPQZTU)

*if any of this brakes rules i'm deaply sorry*

[Curthose93]

[QUOTE=Zan0ra;332127]

1)the sphinx should have vanished into the ground well over 500 years ago
2)the pyramids have only traveled down a meter but would be almost buried in the ground by now.


QUOTE]

1) The sphinx HAD become buried under ground. It was first uncovered in 1400 BCE. I think it was more completely restored during the Napoleonic Wars.
2) Umm.... why?


As for the whole 'aliens settle Earth, leave legacy for humanity find'-- I think that sounds totally awesome, but yeah.... try and prove that it's true.

[Zan0ra]

I know it had been protected. *keeping its weathered by water look* I cant remember the word but everything sinks into the earth over time. So the sphinx would have vanished. Watch the videos and one will explain what happened. And the same thing for the great pyramid of Giza. It has only moved a meter under the ground.

Ask me anything about my theory and I will support evidence for it.

I dont know why the aliens fled earth. They probably went back to there home world. If I remember correctly. Some man mentioned it saying it was from a different star sistem in the milky way.

I have always looked at Orion's belt and wondered....What if i'm right. Its certainly a good theory. But might need some editing.

Edit: At 6:50 on the truth about the sphinx you see my theory linking in with that of some archaeologists

[raiders rule]

I like the theory that states that we're all aliens anyways... That we evolved from organisms that did not originate on this planet...
Yeah that theory is called panspermia, the theory that lifed formed on this earth from microbes on comets and asteroids, anyways, i believe in aliens, the universe is HUGE, and i think something is going on at area 51, maybe not all the alien hiding stuff, but something....they are obviously hiding something.

[raiders rule]

archaeologists found a temple belief the sphinx's left paw

yes, i have heard about that, there is some sort of chamber underneath the sphinx, its been proven with radar or something like that.

[Zan0ra]

I just saw this and I freeked! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsLAplPw8I0&feature=related) - The moment I saw that I thought that I was wrong completely. But i'm not.

If its not real.....

THAT IS THE BEST HOAX I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!

but can someone please confirm to me that it is a hoax.? There is no news on it and something that big of a discovery would have to have something relating to it.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Sorry ZanOra... that is a pretty poor hoax if I ever saw one. You can CLEARLY tell that the vehicles, rocks, hieroglyphics, and even the construction PEOPLE walking behind the "doctor" being interviewed are all computer generated. Better luck next time.

[Ryandel]

To make things all clear...

Since I'm here. Then of course there's aliens.

I'm not a firm believer. But scietificaly I think there MIGHT be...

-Alex D

[Zan0ra]

Sorry ZanOra... that is a pretty poor hoax if I ever saw one. You can CLEARLY tell that the vehicles, rocks, hieroglyphics, and even the construction PEOPLE walking behind the "doctor" being interviewed are all computer generated. Better luck next time.

I know it is a hoax. And its a very good one and all. That's why I freaked I thought it was true for a few seconds. But there was no discussion on it.

[AJC410]

I think there are aliens I don't know if they have UFOS or not but they are there.

[Kaius]

Please don't bump old threads this is almost 3 years old. Please read the rules before posting again :locked: