World Trade Center

[SirRawrsalot]

So, as almost everyone knows (except a few in Myanmar (no offense) ) the World Trade Center was blown up one way or another on 9/11/01

I was really interested when the government of thee United States of America claimed that 19 Arab terrorists took down three buildings.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3573187458623523477 <-- I enjoyed that video.


What I'd like to know is how you think those buildings were taken down?

[MoveAlong]

dude most of those explosions are not different ones, they are repeats of the same explosions mentioned earlier in the video at different angles. Perhaps something in there broke from the pressure on the building?
At the end the man says "something is knocked out of the tower". There were reports of people jumping out of the tower...

I think it's pretty obvious that terrorists tried to take out the trade centers.

[Techno Monster]

I personally don't think it would be in the governments advantage to destroy the WTC... But, I think we can all agree, that is is not our government's fault as to where the USA is now. People jumped, and stone and brick fell. In US history, a plane has never crashed into a 100-something story building before, so nobody knows what should of happened to the building on impact, or what should not of happened.

[SirRawrsalot]

I think that terrorists did it, but there are possibilities of back-up plans. What if (hypothetically) that plan hijacking didn't work? Maybe they did sneak bombs in? And yes, that video is biased I know. And that object falling is in no way a person. It doesn't even slightly resemble a human being or multiple human beings smashed together.

[MattHutzell]

Honestly, why does it matter what happened. IF it was the government, which is IMO STUPID TO THINK, then there is nothing we can do. If it was terrorists, which is a DUH statement, then there is STILL nothing we can do. Either way, all those people died. Does it matter how???? The families still suffered, and you guys wanna sit here and talk about it like it's "just some news that happened"

[SirRawrsalot]

If your family and friends all died right now, wouldn't you want to know how?

[MattHutzell]

If your family and friends all died right now, wouldn't you want to know how?

I think it's obvious how. Just cuz a buncha people who hate the government all got together and said, lets try our hardest to make it look like the government did it. It's a building, OF COURSE there will be other explosions. It's not just a large rectangle made of card board. There is so much extensive work put into a building, there WILL BE other explosions. As this building was falling, did all the supports just decide they wanted no part of this?? All I'm saying, is that there WILL be other explosions. It's a falling building.

[byee]

*Warning! Native New Yorker here!*

I remember that day vividly. I remember the sights and the sounds and the horrific smell, which hung over NYC for weeks. And the dust. Anything you'd like to know, I'm glad to bear witness to. But please, be mindful that as a native, I took that horrific day very personally (as many did).

There is simply no doubt that the buildings came down b/c they were struck by two jumbo jets full of aviation fuel. That, and the construction of the towers, led to their collapse. The bldgs. were basically hollow, the outer walls were the load bearing ones, so when they were breached by the planes, which then exploded into flames reaching 1000 degrees F, they melted the exterior latticework. Without that support, they collapsed. There was a full investigation into this by the Kean Commission, lots of good science.

The things this video shows 'going off' are undoubtly explosions of something. This really should not be a revelation, as 1) The aviation fuel spilled down the bldg and later ignited, and 2) there are many other combustibles in a modern office tower, anyway. The flames eventually engulfed much of the towers, igniting whatever was in their path.

I've heard all the 'conspiracy theories', and I have to tell you, after witnessing the whole thing and seeing it, and then seeing it replayed over and over on TV, that it was the 2 jumbo jets that caused the cataclysmic events that led to the Towers collapse. People might look to 'other' causes, maybe b/c it's just so unbelievable that these two massive structures could be brought down this way. But that's really what happened.

[Camazotz]

I dont know why there are so many conspiries. Its obvious the planes knocked it down, not bombs in the buildings.

[Whisper]

to be frank I'm not impressed with air traffic control or NORAD with how they handled the situation
they should have shot down the planes long before they had a chance to do that kind of damage
that would have saved countless lives


NORAD didn't even scramble really over other key city's like Washington, Ottawa, etc..
until AFTER they'd struck

[Rutherford The Brave]

to be frank I'm not impressed with air traffic control or NORAD with how they handled the situation
they should have shot down the planes long before they had a chance to do that kind of damage
that would have saved countless lives


NORAD didn't even scramble really over other key city's like Washington, Ottawa, etc..
until AFTER they'd struck

I get what your saying still though, there were innocent lives on those planes. The worst part is though people died, not because the lack of government attention or because terrorist physically killed them. Thats the point that people forget the plane crashed in the building, we can't change what happened then, lets just move on....

[Techno Monster]

This thread reminds me of that one movie, "The Falling Man".
9/11 Was sad that kind of stuff isn't supposed to happen in North America. They probably didn't shoot that plane down, because they didn't know where it was going to go.

[Whisper]

I kinda believe that for awhile
but it should have had fighter escort
and as soon as the first dived
or hit
the rest should have been taken out

I get what your saying still though, there were innocent lives on those planes. The worst part is though people died, not because the lack of government attention or because terrorist physically killed them. Thats the point that people forget the plane crashed in the building, we can't change what happened then, lets just move on....

I realize that i'm just saying ur defense budgets in the trillions
you police the world
you'd think they could handle some planes

they have contingency plans at the pentagon for if Canada invades yet theres nothing for a commercial hijack? (yes i'm sure there is now)

I'm not saying there was a conspiracy because i think thats flat out paranoia
I'm just saying it could have been handled better and they shouldn't be let off the hook

Face it
thats our generations pearl harbor
were not going to forget it anytime soon
that and 7/7

[Rutherford The Brave]

I kinda believe that for awhile
but it should have had fighter escort
and as soon as the first dived
or hit
the rest should have been taken out



I realize that i'm just saying ur defense budgets in the trillions
you police the world
you'd think they could handle some planes

they have contingency plans at the pentagon for if Canada invades yet theres nothing for a commercial hijack? (yes i'm sure there is now)

I'm not saying there was a conspiracy because i think thats flat out paranoia
I'm just saying it could have been handled better and they shouldn't be let off the hook

Face it
thats our generations pearl harbor
were not going to forget it anytime soon
that and 7/7

Yeah I agree. Still we all act like its our calling card to jump into war. Pearl Harbor was ALSO a bad reason to jump into a war. Sure we did defeat the japanese, but not without heavy casualties and the bombing of Japan which in fact still hurts the population till this day. Face it both events (7/7 and 9/11) were in fact devastating, but after those people made a bad mistake and killed many americans we followed it up with another bad mistake, by going into uneccessary wars.

[DarkWingedAngel]

i no for a fact that there were bombs planted in the WTC buildings but i also no that the atacks were because of terrorists end of story

[MattHutzell]

I figure my last post on this site should have some meaning to it. I'm not gonna read the thread anymore, cuz idc after this. First off, I'm sorry to anyone I somehow offended. Second, for those of you who think this is fake, I pity you. *Somewhat disturbing* http://youtube.com/watch?v=u_clidR7drg

It's a very sad video. Makes me cry. Well, goodbye all! :) Best wishes

[Sporadica]

Yeah man, and why is it that 9 of the 19 highjackers are still alive (sum were killed later) and why is it that the government was able to identify the bodies and recover passports but not the black boxes form the airplanes? the firefighters did find 3 of the 4 but the FBI, CIA, NTSB, just came in and took them. and how there are accounts of explosions in the lobby and how ppl have seen bombs in the car park basement. Also how world trade center 7 had akink in the middle when it came down but the thing is that the kink thing only happens in controlled demolitions with explosives. And the cruise missile theory int he pentagon is how only a cruise missile could knock down poles and how there are no wing marks in the wall, and if the plane was flying so low to the hit spot there would allready be engines lying on the grass outside the pentagon. Only a cruise missile would give that kind of evidence in the pentagon's wall. When the american empire falls all the traitors of the USA (bush sr, jr, cheyney, rumsfeld the clintons and numerous others) will pay for their crimes of not upholding the constitution.

[gookmique]

i FIRMLY believe that the 9/11 attacks were inside jobs.

http://www.infowars.com

http://www.prisonplanet.com

search up "Alex Jones" on youtube.com he gives EXCELLENT evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

if you have any torrent program, download these movies:

"9/11 Chronicles Truth Rising: Part One & Two"

"Loose Change"

"Zeitgeist: The Movie"

if you really do care, you will look at those websites, download those movies, do some research, and demand the truth. if you haven't noticed, whenever government officals are confronted about the flaws that are seemingly endless about the attacks, they turn their backs and hide like cowards. they will NOT tell you the TRUTH because they enjoy puppets, they enjoy cowards that support their corrupt ways of running the system.

[Ryandel]

"Does it matter if it was an inside job?"
CIAY0KENZUc

[gookmique]

OFCOURSE IT MATTERS...

are you comfortable living in a country that has the fucking NERVE to do such an act? yes, i'm aware that countries have done drastics acts such as this before. BUT, this is AMERICAN.. this is the land of the free dude..


Alex Jones is the only person on the front line DEMANDING the truth while this country, the whole western world, turns into one fucking consentration camp. common dude, do some research, learn the facts.

[Ryandel]

Posted for a friend who quit VT from this thread. I myself am not American. So I withdraw from creating a debate or inputting any thought, opinions or comments on this thread.

-Alex D
[Will be refrained from posting on this thread seeing as it does not concern me. The previous post was made for an aquaitnace which will not be mentioned]