Obama or McCain?

[Kuervo]

so who do you think will win the 2008 US Presidential election?

Barack Obama or John McCain

i think obama will win because there are a lot more democrats with him

[Oblivion]

Who will win: Obama

Who i want to win: Obama

Obama is one of my role models. We as a country are lucky to have him at a time of need like this.

[The Batman]

If Obama doesn't take Clinton as VP then he has no chance of winning.

[Zephyr]

Who I want to win: Obama

Who will win: No idea.

Obama has a lack of experience working against him,
But America is taking a swing towards Democrats,
As seen with voting in the last congress.
It's probably going to be a close vote this year I imagine.

[iJack]

Obama Obama Obama!!!!!

[Kuervo]

see, mostly everybody's going for Obama. must be many ppl are democrat here

[Oblivion]

Or just that most of America has decided to have a democratic president, since Bush was so horrible.

[Alphacold]

Bush was a great president, he made some mistakes, but he ran a good couple of terms.

McCain will win, for sure. I've even got some democratic friends that aren't going to vote for Obama. I hate to say it, but I'm almost positive Obama won't get into office. :(

Who I want to win - McCain.

[Oblivion]

How are you so sure?
Obama in my opinion, is one of the greatest presidents to run since JFK.

And Bush. Wow. Dont even get me started. In fact i wont since this isnt int he debate forum.

[Alphacold]

Innside Sources. ;)

Bah, I hate to be mean, but JFK > Obama by a long shot!

[Oblivion]

I didn't say Obama was better i said he was one of the greatest presidents since him.

Inside sources are meaningless, since no one can predict the future.

[The Batman]

I don't think you can compare Obama and JFK.

[Oblivion]

Im not comparing them. Im comparing all the presidents after JFK to Obama.

[The Batman]

But still this is kinda premature Obama hasn't even won the presidency.

[Oblivion]

Ok, MY vision of what Obama's presidency may be like, from what i have seen of him, is comparable to all the presidents after JFK.

Better? :P

[Whisper]

Twpr ---> Rotw

[Techno Monster]

John Mccain.

[byee]

Oh, just a q for those with such strong opinions about their guy.

1) What is it about him that appeals to you?

2) What policies does he advocate that you support?

3) To Alphacold: What is it about Bush that makes you think he was a 'great' president? What policies made him that way for you?

So much of US politics is based on 'feelings'. But behind the 'feelings' it's important to have something factual to base your opinions on.

Oh, and while we're playing sooth sayer here, who do you think each will choose as a running mate, and why, and what does that chocie say about each candidate?

You may begin...............!

[Maverick]

I dislike them both. I was really looking forward to this election but I'm disappointed that Obama and McCain were the best that we could come up with. I still don't know who I am voting for.

[Sugaree]

Who will win: Obama

Who do you want to win: Obama

Obama is history. When we have our children we can tell them of the story of how he won the nomination and possibly be president. McCain wants to stay in Iraq. What's the use of staying over there? It's a war we can't win.

[Titmouse]

I would presume McCain would win as Obama has lost most of the south maybe?
I want McCain to win because he's a Republican.

[Whisper]

you should NEVER show loyalty to a candidate solely because you've aligned yourself with that party

Its unwise to stick to a party blindly
You should listen to both candidates equally
weigh there ideas and values with your own
and go from there
Make them EARN your vote

Politics and blind loyalty are a dangerous mix

I think its wrong to have only two parties period

[0=]

Neither of them are ideal. Of the two Obama is probably the lesser evil, but if I were of voting age I wouldn't vote for either of them.

[theOperaGhost]

Who I want to win: McCain

Who will win: I have no idea

There are things that I don't like and things that I like from both candidates. I think McCain has the experience. As much as people disagree, I think McCain knows what he wants to do with the war and he will remove the troops within a few years. Just because Bush was a bad president and was republican, doesn't mean that all republicans are bad. That's just like saying since Michael Vick supported dog fights, the whole NFL also does (not a great comparison, but you get what I mean). Obama would bring some change, which can be a good thing.

[Oblivion]

Why do so many people dislike Obama? Maybe my views of him are a little off?

Can someone please explain whats wrong with him?

[theOperaGhost]

Well, so far most of the people on VT support Obama. There is nothing wrong with him, I just prefer McCain, especially for his experience and I would assume that he has great knowledge of war and the military, which we need. I don't think that we can have a president that just wants to get into office and withdraw from Iraq right away. I don't think that is the way to go about things. I agree we need to end the war soon, because it is pointless, I just think it need to be done more strategically, which I feel McCain will be able to do. I also don't think it is as easy as Obama makes it sound, that the troops will be out within like a year or something. I think it will take more like 3-5 years.

[0=]

We don't need a military man. One of the biggest problems with this country is how militarized it is.

[byee]

I asked a bunch of (what I thought) were really good questions that everyone has ignored *sigh*. It would be good if people could state clearly what policies their guy has that they like. Certainly, it has to do with something more than the way you 'feel', yes? I mean, it's a pretty important job, the winner should get there on more than the 'feelings' of his supporters.

With regard to John McCain, could someone explain to me how being shot down over Vietnam 40+ years ago and spending 5 years in solitary confinement in a spider hole in a VC POW camp makes him 'more experienced' in military matters? Common sense would suggest that sort of 'exoerience' is one that could seriously interfere with sound judgement in the future, yes?

[Maverick]

Common sense would suggest that sort of 'exoerience' is one that could seriously interfere with sound judgement in the future, yes?That's not common sense, that's speculation.

[Kuervo]

ok this thread has been turned into a small fight, ok. i does matter who wins, they can make a huge difference. even if mccain is my state's senator im still going for obama, but i did like clinton better

[Underage_Thinker]

I support obama, though as with the majority of people here i am not of voting age and thus have not researched the candidates. I've listened to speachs, and read some stuff, but if im gona give my vote to sombody i want to make sure its not just because their a amazing oritor. I would say that blindly following a canadate because of pary loyalty or ignorance is far worse than not voting at all. On a side note i think the members of our legislateive branch could take that same idea to heart when voting on legislation (ie Patriot Act).

[0=]

if im gona give my vote to sombody i want to make sure its not just because their a amazing oritor

That's pretty much what Obama is. McCain is a horrible public speaker. That's really what it's going to come down to. People hear Obama say change and hope and like it (even though he can't back it up), whereas they view McCain as some ancient white republican. Really, if Obama wins it will be because he's black, not despite, and because he's charismatic. Most Americans don't know shit about the candidates or issues; they base their decisions on what FOX and CNN broadcast and the shams we call debates.

[Underage_Thinker]

they base their decisions on what FOX and CNN broadcast and the shams we call debates.
Unfortunately so, don't even get me started on these so called debates:mad:, they had during the primaries between Hillary and obama, they were like 1/5 substance 4/5 bullshit.

[Whisper]

With regard to John McCain, could someone explain to me how being shot down over Vietnam 40+ years ago and spending 5 years in solitary confinement in a spider hole in a VC POW camp makes him 'more experienced' in military matters? Common sense would suggest that sort of 'exoerience' is one that could seriously interfere with sound judgement in the future, yes?

Thats your personal opinion not common sense
I have no problem with you not supporting him because you disagree with his policy's
But show him the respect he's earned

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[Nihilus]

Obama duhh.
Mccain supports the war, obama doesn't.

[0=]

This is why America is fucked. I don't see anyone else here saying neither. You have to think outside the big candidates or you'll never get anywhere. The Republicans and Democrats have run the country for too long. They're all crooked fuckers taking corporate bribes.

[Underage_Thinker]

Well the problem is without the political support of one of the parties, it would be very difficult/impossible for a independent candidate to win.

[0=]

Because everything comes down to who's better at lying and who has more money. I really like the irony of how McCain was a PoW, yet he supports waterboarding people at Guantanamo Bay.

[Whisper]

because it was probably very effective against him...

[0=]

That would make him a bad liar, but that's highly improbable because of his high political position. Most information extracted through torture is a lie, not intelligence.

Back on topic, that's also something against McCain. People don't want to vote for someone who supports torturing people who haven't even been proven guilty of anything other than being racially profiled.

[Maverick]

Obama duhh.
Mccain supports the war, obama doesn't.
Obama still has voted funded the war and he still plans to keep troops in Iraq after becoming president. He claims to withdraw 1-2 brigades a month but doesn't have a problem redeploying them if they become needed.

Do you think if General Petraeus says violence has increased and needs more troops President Obama is going to say no?

Obama also supports war with Iran if diplomatic means don't work.,

So they really aren't all that different.

[WahhLa]

waterboard is good but that form of torture is too over used. as long as it doesnt break the skin its good though.

[Oblivion]

... Are you saying torture is good?

The government tortures innocent people who 'might' possible in some way hurt them.
It is sickening and unacceptable, that is why its illegal in the US and they have to do it in other nations.
Waterboarding is one horrible form, and the fact that it is 'over used' makes my point exactly. If it was used once, then that would be considered over used.

[Whisper]

do they both support the missile defense in eastern Europe? with the Czech Republic and Poland?

Because thats basically like when the USSR tried to put nuclear missiles in Cuba

Russia is for the first time since the cold war aiming nuclear missiles at western Europe

because bush can't STF his mouth and take a hint

[Dolphus Raymond]

I'm not sure. My parents are solid Democrats, but I'm young and haven't entirely shaped my political ideology. There's lots of issues, like social security, that I'm just now starting to grasp. I like both Obama and McCain on a personal level. Their having run for President has lowered my opinion of both. I'm looking forward to seeing how the whole thing unfolds. I'm especially looking forward to getting rid of our current President. Any way forward is a way up, as far as I'm concerned.

As for who I think will win -- probably Obama. With the partisan affiliation advantage the Democrats have, it would take a really impressive hat trick by McCain. Very possible, races change, but I think this is Obama's to lose.

With regard to John McCain, could someone explain to me how being shot down over Vietnam 40+ years ago and spending 5 years in solitary confinement in a spider hole in a VC POW camp makes him 'more experienced' in military matters? Common sense would suggest that sort of 'exoerience' is one that could seriously interfere with sound judgement in the future, yes?

I don't think McCain's camp has ever said that directly. I'm sure they don't mind if people think that, much like Obama's camp is happy to allow people to think "community organizer" relates to the Presidency at all. Politicians understandably don't go out of their way to discourage delusional support unless it threatens them.

McCain's premise on foreign policy seems to be that he reads up on it a lot (which he probably does), talks to a lot of people (which he probably does) and chairs the Senate Armed Forces Committee (which doesn't really have much to do with foreign policy). He's playing with fire a bit there to me, though. He's not a foreign policy wonk. If he positions himself that way, and it blows up in his face (Sunni/Shi'ite mix-ups that he makes), he could be in big trouble.

[The Batman]

Most of the Obama supporters are basing their entire decision on the fact that he's willing to withdraw from the war in Iraq, but if that is the only thing that you are thinking about what's going to happen when he brings them all home? You need to focus more on the other issues just as much as you do with the war or you'll pretty much be left with a president you didn't want.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Most of the Obama supporters are basing their entire decision on the fact that he's willing to withdraw from the war in Iraq, but if that is the only thing that you are thinking about what's going to happen when he brings them all home? You need to focus more on the other issues just as much as you do with the war or you'll pretty much be left with a president you didn't want.

Actually, the War is not the #1 issue among Obama voters at all, especially among "swing voters" who are supporting him.

If you look at the opinion polls, Iraq has receded far to the #2 issue. The Economy surpassed it way back during the early Democratic primary. And the economy is an issue where the voters are leaning Obama. People who vote on Iraq are going heavily Obama, not because he necessarily has the best position/record, but because those who vote based on the War tend to be very liberal. Those people aren't going to be voting for McCain anyway.

McCain's issue is national security, and he clobbers Obama among voters who put that as #1, which seems to be enough to keep the race close.

[The Batman]

I should have cleared it up I actually meant the Obama supporters on here. I really don't support either one of them and I don't think I'll be voting this year. I would rather see Obama in office because I do like some of his policies.

[Requin]

As a brit i should be perfect to answer this question :-(
I WANT Obama to win, but i think McCain will.
To be honest Mccain looks like an older version of George Bush and i thought america didn't want ANOTHER George Bush, but the USA always seems to suprise me...by doing what i don't expect. A joke i heard on "Have i Got news for you", was, 'McCain is in favour of religion, war and anti gay, here's your man - Osama Bin Laden.

[MomoRacer]

Who Will Win: John McCain

Who I Want to Win: John McCain

Why I want them to win:
(not meaning to argue/anger lol)
Do we really want to or need to make friends with the terrorists? NO
Do we really need to (as Stephen Colbert said) "Punish the rich for making money"? NO
Do we really need to make ALL CHILDREN learn Spanish and have it as our national language? I do not think so

I listen to Rush Limbaugh, He supports McCain. thats where i got some of the points ^^

Also, if you think about it, People always say bad stuff about Bush. If you were in his position and the country was attacked, what would you do? No other President has ever had that happen before.

[0=]

Also, if you think about it, People always say bad stuff about Bush. If you were in his position and the country was attacked, what would you do?

Go after the perpetrator, not attack a completely unrelated country.

[MomoRacer]

true.... very true...

[Dolphus Raymond]

Who Will Win: John McCain

Who I Want to Win: John McCain

Why I want them to win:
(not meaning to argue/anger lol)
Do we really want to or need to make friends with the terrorists? NO
Do we really need to (as Stephen Colbert said) "Punish the rich for making money"? NO
Do we really need to make ALL CHILDREN learn Spanish and have it as our national language? I do not think so

I listen to Rush Limbaugh, He supports McCain. thats where i got some of the points ^^

Also, if you think about it, People always say bad stuff about Bush. If you were in his position and the country was attacked, what would you do? No other President has ever had that happen before.

Eh, FDR, Pearl Harbor...? And he handled the attack fine, and I supported the war on Afghanistan. It was the subsequent parts that were trouble.

What plans of Obama's, exactly, "make friends with the terrorists," or make Spanish our national language? The second is just laugh-out-loud ridiculous, considering that like 85% of Americans (including the vast majority of naturalized Latinos) want English to be our national language.

Neither McCain or Obama will "punish the rich for making money." They are taxed at a higher rate, but not at such a high rate that they make less money. McCain suggests across-the-board tax cuts; Obama focuses these tax cuts on the upper middle class and below, and increases tax on the very wealthy. The latter sounds better on paper to most, but admittedly there are some issues (his tax redistribution is skewed some toward the affluent middle class, instead of the middle-middle.) Colbert's character, by the way, is a parody of Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly types. :)

There are plenty of good reasons to vote for McCain. Getting them from Limbaugh is not the fairest way of doing it. Unfortunately he's more entertainment than news.

[MrPinnick17]

I want Obama but I'm afraid for him.

If he messes up as a president, god forbid it, there are too many racist in the US who will make an example out of him. Saying, well remember the last time we had a black president?

I just want him to do good, he's got a great base of people behind him, smarts, and he's relatable. I'm white and everything but I'm well aware of the black stereo-type I think with a smart guy like Obama in the spotlight a lot of people will not only start to treat African Americans better but all races equally and maybe eventually our thin-stereotypes about each other will finally fade...

[foof1]

I want Obama to win and I think it will be a landslide if he takes Hillary Clinton as his vice president. I wanted Hillary to be the Democratic nominee though.

[Maverick]

If he messes up as a president, god forbid it, there are too many racist in the US who will make an example out of him. Saying, well remember the last time we had a black president?
Well referring to the current administration one could argue the last time we voted for a white president. :p

[ssgliberty]

Who will win: Obama

Who i want to win: Obama

Obama is one of my role models. We as a country are lucky to have him at a time of need like this.

i agree with every word :D:)

Obama Obama Obama!!!!!

[MrPinnick17]

Well referring to the current administration one could argue the last time we voted for a white president. :p

The world doesn't work like that though. One of my friends is black and his dad is so insightful about this stuff. It's amazing to listen to him talk about his past experiences. Before talking to him, I never knew that blacks and whites still weren't equal. I watched this black in America thing with them tonight on CNN and it was amazing. Catch it if you can, I'm not sure if tonight was the last night for it or not.

[Maverick]

Yeah I was kidding. I know in reality that wouldn't happen.

[Hola.Mon-]

OBAMA PLZ, john is newb newb

[LeRoy_Fan]

From a Moderate-Conservative-Christian-SouthernBoy viewpoint:

Who will win: Obama

Who do I want to win: Neither McCain nor Obama. I do not like either of them.


*Conservative joke time!*
You know what the U.S. would be called if Obama gets the presidency?




An obamanation!

:lol:

[Junky]

OBAMA PLZ, john is newb newb
Both of them have little to no experience, I didn't know either of these men before the election IE they're just newbies to the political power game( like bill clinton, and we all know he was epic failure) obama has questionable "friends":cool: and mcain is an all around bad speaker

[theOperaGhost]

Obama is more of a "newb" (god I hate that word) than McCain is. How many years has McCain been in Congress now??? And Clinton was not an epic failure at all. But of course his big mistake overshadows anything else that he did. I don't see how McCain has "little to no experience" though, with all of his years in Congress. Plus he has run for president before.

[Junky]

Obama is more of a "newb" (god I hate that word) than McCain is. How many years has McCain been in Congress now??? And Clinton was not an epic failure at all. But of course his big mistake overshadows anything else that he did. I don't see how McCain has "little to no experience" though, with all of his years in Congress. Plus he has run for president before.
what i mean is none of them have held a MAJOR political office.

[thesphinx]

I really don't know which one I like better but I do know I wouldn't vote for Obama.
Quite frankly he scares me, he is really socialistic I mean have you seen his health care plan?!
anyway there are other reason that I like/dislike with either of them and I will state them later.

[Junky]

I really don't know which one I like better but I do know I wouldn't vote for Obama.
Quite frankly he scares me, he is really socialistic I mean have you seen his health care plan?!
anyway there are other reason that I like/dislike with either of them and I will state them later.

Not to mention he said he would raise taxes even though we are in a recession.

[Oblivion]

Both of them have little to no experience, I didn't know either of these men before the election IE they're just newbies to the political power game( like bill clinton, and we all know he was epic failure) obama has questionable "friends":cool: and mcain is an all around bad speaker

Clinton was an excellent president
(Assuming your talking about his affair)
Just because he made bad social decisions doesn't make him bad
I mean seriously.
The US is so involved in everyone's sex life.
Give it a rest. Its no ones business except his, and his wife's.

Who are Obama's 'questionable "friends"'?

[Junky]

Clinton was an excellent president
(Assuming your talking about his affair)
Just because he made bad social decisions doesn't make him bad
I mean seriously.
The US is so involved in everyone's sex life.
Give it a rest. Its no ones business except his, and his wife's.

Who are Obama's 'questionable "friends"'?
You can have sex with who ever you want, I don't care. But when you represent the people of the United States you should be damn sure you clean up your act.

Obamas friends: Reverend Wright(Racisist and a bigot), Ludacris( a rapper and another racist) He went to a church for 20 years that preached that the government created the aids virus to kill black people(seriously who believes that bs?) and that 9/11 was Americas chickens coming home to roost.

[LeRoy_Fan]

You can have sex with who ever you want, I don't care. But when you represent the people of the United States you should be damn sure you clean up your act.

+1

Yeah, when you are being a role model for pretty much the entire country, it's probably not a great thing to be promoting adulterous acts. And to play it off as nothing, you're telling everyone that it's "just ok" and "nothing serious"

However, you still have to support the leaders of your country. It is ok to criticize them, but you must ALWAYS support your leaders.

[The Batman]

Obamas friends: Reverend Wright(Racisist and a bigot), Ludacris( a rapper and another racist) He went to a church for 20 years that preached that the government created the aids virus to kill black people(seriously who believes that bs?) and that 9/11 was Americas chickens coming home to roost.
So your basing your opinion on a Reverend who he no longers associates with and a rapper who you claim is racist. If your gonna hate someone, hate them for their policies not their friends.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I doubt Obama is a racist. I think he's mostly an opportunist. Inner-city politics, especially in black areas, gets you strange bedfellows. Ludacris is an entertainer who I doubt he knows well.

If Obama shared Wright's views, I imagine that would have manifested it in his books, teachings, or through people who know him. Mostly I think he was trying to avoid burning bridges. He's a politician, after all. McCain cozied up to James Dobson, too, to avoid offending the right. It certainly shows personal weakness (especially re: Obama's church). But guilt by association is no fair.

[Oblivion]

You can have sex with who ever you want, I don't care. But when you represent the people of the United States you should be damn sure you clean up your act.

Obamas friends: Reverend Wright(Racisist and a bigot), Ludacris( a rapper and another racist) He went to a church for 20 years that preached that the government created the aids virus to kill black people(seriously who believes that bs?) and that 9/11 was Americas chickens coming home to roost.

It was his private business. Surely the president has a right to privacy?
Without the whole united states thinking hes some horny sex monster?

Anyways. I doubt Obama is racist.
What is Reverend Wright bigoted against?

[puber1312]

If Obama doesn't take Clinton as VP then he has no chance of winning.

not true obama will win

[Neverender]

Obama or McCain? why?

Obama because McCain wants war in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8&feature=related

[Rutherford The Brave]

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26855&highlight=Obama+OR+McCain there is already a thread like this.

[Whisper]

locking

[Whisper]

bump

[Requin]

Let's get a British point of view shall we.
I've already said enought about this in my blog. But honestly i thought america wanted to get OUT of the George Bush era. McCain seems to be an older version of Bush, i can see him saying alot and doing little.
I don't really like either of them, Obama's too good to be true, and McCains just Bush in disguise.
Obama will win though..so it doesn't matter.
As the saying goes "Americans only re-elected George Bush to prove they had a sense of irony"

[josh92]

I dont like either of them. Ron Paul is the best but he got almost no publicity. But it is going to come down to Obama or McCain i choise Mccain because he was a soldier and was a P.O.W for 7 years he knows what it is like to sacrifice for this country and i think because of that he can make way better military decisions. I hate Obama.

[Requin]

But why do you want to have military decisions at all?
Surely no one wants a war with afganistan and others, and if your basing your opinion on a war that should never of happened. Then that's a very narrow minded point of view.
Just becuase he's a war hero doesn't make him a good president, he might be more willing to serve his country than obama, but what has that got to do with running one of the biggest and most influential countries in the world.
If other's have opinions like yours in america, i'm getting very worried.

[The Batman]

How can being a POW make you more able to make military decisions. Doesn't that mean he missed the fighting cause he was locked up.

[Requin]

Yeah and if he got caught in the first place he can't be that great at military matters.
As i said. I'm worried.

[The Batman]

I also think that McCain is scared that's why he's attacking Obama in his commercials. He's just scared that he'll lose.

[Requin]

Is he attacking him? Haven't heard about that. But you have to be honest. Obama's campaign is a little strange. Going on adverts and stuff. It's a bit....corny.

[Whisper]

Obama will win though..so it doesn't matter.

Really?
Thats what they were saying about Al Gore

[The Batman]

*sigh and Hillary Clinton

[Requin]

Haha. True.
I think it's going to be down to if america want to take a risk. And vote for obama

[Neverender]

im for obama.

and this is a good reason why:..lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9jA-FGGd8&feature=related

[Nihilus]

Obama:D

[Antares]

Where's the option for neither. We need like...something fresher than fresh right now because the world is going down the damn drain.

[LeRoy_Fan]

I also think that McCain is scared that's why he's attacking Obama in his commercials. He's just scared that he'll lose.

I think the real reason is because it's politics! :P

It's been the same thing for years. You always come up with some dirt on the other candidate and use it against them. And if you can't find anything, you attack their policies. And if there is nothing to attack, you call them names. And if you can't think of a name to call them, you don't say anything....and then become forgotten by the American Public...and then ultimately lose the race....And that's for either party, BTW. ;)

And I'll try and throw this convo a different direction:

What do you think the chances of having this country so split between Obama and McCain, that an independent might actually win the thing?

[Maverick]

And I'll try and throw this convo a different direction:

What do you think the chances of having this country so split between Obama and McCain, that an independent might actually win the thing?
An independent or third party candidate won't win but that doesn't mean they have no impact. Third party votes have an effect on the margin which tip one side over the top.

Right and left wing don't determine our elections as they are pretty equal. Independents and swing voters decide who win.

[Nihilus]

Which one are you for?Why?
I'm all Obama!:D

[ssgliberty]

i`m macain i hate obama i used to want him now i dont...

[Nihilus]

Jeez why him. I'm not trying change ur opinion but drilling off shore and nuclear power plants thats crazy and bad. The war in iraq is wrong too.

[iJack]

Jeez why him. I'm not trying change ur opinion but drilling off shore and nuclear power plants thats crazy and bad. The war in iraq is wrong too.
Yep;).

[thesphinx]

Jeez why him. I'm not trying change ur opinion but drilling off shore and nuclear power plants thats crazy and bad. The war in iraq is wrong too.

Yep;).


Care to explain why these are bad? it proves absolutely nothing when you just say it's "bad" or "wrong".

Anyway I have researched each of them a bit and at first I liked Obama better.
Now I like McCain better:
Why,
Palin McCains VP has more experience in government work then the democratic ticket put together.
McCain was in a war, he understands what a war is like and unlike ther politicians he is going to know how hard it is for soldiers to be in a war.
McCains is Pro Life .

Energy wise I believe McCain has a better plan he wants to let us drill for oil on our land so that we can be independent again.
he is for looking into alternative fuel sources but until then we won't have to be dependent on terrorist countries.


Why I dislike Obama:
First of all he promises tax breaks for low income families but it is not realistic because with all of his socialist programs where is the money going to come from - The rich he says, take from the rich and give to the poor? what happens after that is the rich people are not going to invest as much putting our economy in a worse state then it is in now.

also the tax breaks are only for people making under 250K a year so if a small business decides to open and they are making more than that they are going to be taxed higher with no breaks.

Also he wants to pull out from a Iraq at a fast rate I think this is a bad idea because I think if we leave at the wrong time it will go back to how it was years ago.

He is Pro Choice and is for killing the baby right after it is born.

I could go on but I'd like to here what you think of this.

[theOperaGhost]

I agree with Michael completely on everything he just posted. Those are all of my reasons for liking McCain over Obama. I also get an arrogant vibe from Obama for some reason, idk why. I feel that Obama is really just a good speaker and good speakers know how to make people hear what they want to hear. He's very persuasive.

Go McCain!

[iJack]

So why did McCain not allow anyone under 18 into the convention?

[Maverick]

So why did McCain not allow anyone under 18 into the convention?
Because they can't vote maybe?

[Antares]

I still haven't made up my mind but to me here is how it breaks down:

Obama: Good speaker...black...young...no balls. Old washed up ugly VP

McCain: POW, awesome Commander-in-Chief, somewhat ballsy, young sexy VP
bad at public isses and stuff

So yeah if youc an pursuade me to vote for one of those two go ahead but I am swaying to the right a little more...but I dont want to