Are morals Relative

[toogilwell2006]

The topic speaks for itself. What do you all think? Is there a set moral base that all humans should be judged?

Discuss. i'll post more on the marrow

Chris

[TheWizard]

I think it is very relative. Its like war. Its ok to kill during a war but its not ok to kill regular people. Its a double standard morel.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yes. everyone should be based off of the most people, except in which case the most people suck... like for instance china has the most people, but we sure as hell cant make them the standards for anything :shock:

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

Death Penalty...

Because you killed someone, we are going to kill you

[kolte]

yay go texas lol

[Whisper]

I don't agree with the death penalty

Killing is wrong
I'll do it for self defence under EXTREME circumstances

Like if I was a soldier during a war

EDIT
Fixed spelling error thingy..sorry

[redcar]

death penelty is wrong in this day and age.......there are so many more ways we could punish people that would make them regret they ever did anything wrong

[toogilwell2006]

death penelty is wrong in this day and age.......there are so many more ways we could punish people that would make them regret they ever did anything wrong

Yes! torture is so much more effecient and productive. :wink: just kidding...i's just rassing you.

[redcar]

i feel if someone takes somones elses life then there life should be taken away as well, but not death, they should be put in prision, with the basics, for the rest of their natural lives. like in ireland its shit cause if i killed someone i could get out on parole in about 20 years.

[Ravenous]

Death penalty is good. I'm for it, we should get it in the UK. If you kill someone you should die.

[toogilwell2006]

what i was trying to ask is something like this. Who is wrong if one culture does something tha is moraly reprehensible o another culure?

For instance. There is a japanese word from the time when the country was still a feudalistic culure that literaly means "cross-road cut". This word described the act of a samurai taking a newfly forged sword and testing it's cutting power by chopping in half the first bystander the warrior saw. If the sword passed clean through it brought honor to the sword maker and it was a good sword. If it didn't go clean through it brought shame to the sword maker. now here is the real kicker. The innocent bystander considered this a very honorable death, and was glad they could help te samurai in such a way.

We today would think that this practice is horrible and barbaric, but to them at the time was considered the norm and there was no problem in doing it or having i done to you. Were the japanese wrong to think that? Would we be wrong to think them evil for doing it?

Chris

[Whisper]

Death penalty is good. I'm for it, we should get it in the UK. If you kill someone you should die.
Yes but see the problem is what if there innocent?
Theres thousands of people in jail right now that didn't do anything
There being cleared over the yrs as cases r reopened and tecnology's improving
I mean it sucks...royally that they were put in jail in the first place
but atleast if you are innocent u dont have to worry about dying

Put yourself in there shoes
Pretend that your an innocent man straped to a bed as they clean your arm to prevent iinfection and then inject you with posion.
Nobody will listen to you
Everybody hates you for a crime you didn't commit
Your being murdered by the goverment because they made a mistake


Besides if you are guilty
Having to live your entire life
Alive in a lil 10x10 cell
Thats worse then death


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We live in a diffrent culture now you can't compare ancient japan to modern day
We live in completly diffrent cultures
Completly diffrent times

I don't think were fit to judge them anymore then they'd be fit to judge us

[toogilwell2006]

Death penalty is good. I'm for it, we should get it in the UK. If you kill someone you should die.
Yes but see the problem is what if there innocent?
Theres thousands of people in jail right now that didn't do anything
There being cleared over the yrs as cases r reopened and tecnology's improving
I mean it sucks...royally that they were put in jail in the first place
but atleast if you are innocent u dont have to worry about dying

Put yourself in there shoes
Pretend that your an innocent man straped to a bed as they clean your arm to prevent iinfection and then inject you with posion.
Nobody will listen to you
Everybody hates you for a crime you didn't commit
Your being murdered by the goverment because they made a mistake


Besides if you are guilty
Having to live your entire life
Alive in a lil 10x10 cell
Thats worse then death


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We live in a diffrent culture now you can't compare ancient japan to modern day
We live in completly diffrent cultures
Completly diffrent times

I don't think were fit to judge them anymore then they'd be fit to judge us

I agree with you completly about the death penalty. Though i take it s step farther and add religion to it.

the japanese example was just an example...which i think proves moral relativity. We can say they were wrong for doing it...though you are right, diff time.

So lets look at a closer example. how about the represion of women in some middle eastern countries. Is that right? is it wrong? Do we as a non member of that culture even have the right to say it is right or wrong? We know it's wrong in our culture...but does that make it wrong in theirs?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

death penelty is wrong in this day and age.......there are so many more ways we could punish people that would make them regret they ever did anything wrong

punishing costs too much money.... we should do what they used to do in china: execute by firing squad, make the family pay for the bullets

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya its total bull, murderes and rapists dont deserve a warm place to sleep at night, they deserve PUNISHMENT.

[toogilwell2006]

you know there are topics in morality other than the death penalty. as kinda hoping this would touch on all of them in some way. oh well. Thanks for all tyhe replies guys and gals. oh and my addition...prison is punishment...make it bad. Really bad. then lets enforce a mandatory rehabilitation on them that they have to pay for in some way, that could be pro-rated for the indavidual offender. I am rich and get out of jail, i pay 50k dollars for rehab. you are poor and out of jail you pay 1200 for rehab. And make work a requirement for release. there are plenty of jobs out there that will hire ex cons.

bottum line is that people should fear going to prison...going there should be the worse thing imaginable. Upon release you should NEVER want to go there again. And the easiest way to do that is to not commit crime.

What do i know...i aint no socialogist.

[Nicholas William]

Killing is wrong
I'll do it for self defence under EXTREME circumstances

If killing is wrong, then why are you allowing it for certain circumstances?

If its wrong and you shouldn't do it, it's wrong and you shouldn't do it.
There are no "if this happenes" and "under extreme cases".

[Whisper]

Killing is wrong
I'll do it for self defence under EXTREME circumstances

If killing is wrong, then why are you allowing it for certain circumstances?

If its wrong and you shouldn't do it, it's wrong and you shouldn't do it.
There are no "if this happenes" and "under extreme cases".
If i'm in a soilder in the middle of a war being shot at
i'll shoot back

But you dont pick somebody up off the street
say "chances are you did it" and kill them

[Nicholas William]

The point is

You said killing is wrong, yet you would do it when the time comes. According to you it is still wrong, then why would you do it?

[kolte]

if sombody murderd your children, or family members, you would want them to die. but this conversation isnt really about the death penelty.

I think that morals are a bad idea. Because we tend to force out own morals onto others. However, individual moral is fine. As long as you don't press your morals onto other people.

[Whisper]

The point is

You said killing is wrong, yet you would do it when the time comes. According to you it is still wrong, then why would you do it?

What i'm trying to say the courts arent always right the CSI's make mistakes
and those mistakes shouldn't be able to cost an innocent man or woman there life.

When you're on say a battle feild during a war and u can see a solider shooting at you with a P-90 so you open fire in return its diffrent
Does that mean you dont feel guilty as hell when u hear him scream
NO

But when its life or death its diffrent

its not the same situation as when you have a list of suspects say 20 and anyone of them could be guilty but that still leaves 19 innocent
What if the labs make a mistake
what if it was you who was wrongfully accused and sentanced to death
would you still agree with it?
even though you've done nothing wrong
what if it was your child?
your sister?
wife?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cody you cant just not give people the death penalty to prevent innocent people from not having to die. thats unfair to all of the victems' families. your fighting for something u dont entirely believe in... i know deep down u want ur molester dead. i know you do. so stop trying to say its the wrong thing because you would do it if you had to

[Whisper]

cody you cant just not give people the death penalty to prevent innocent people from not having to die. thats unfair to all of the victems' families. your fighting for something u dont entirely believe in... i know deep down u want ur molester dead. i know you do. so stop trying to say its the wrong thing because you would do it if you had to

Don't you dare bring him into this, don't you dare try to use my fucking past as a weapon against me!

I do NOT want him dead that would make me worse then him
i'm not a fucking murderer!!!

I want his ass to rot in a lil 10x10 cell
I want alllll his lil neighboor inmates to know that he's in there because he attacked and molested a 6yr old boy and god knows what else!

i do NOT want him dead
that would make me worse then him
atleast he didn't kill me

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it is absolutely beyond the bounds of reality for you to be ANY worse than him. ever

[rAp iS MuSiC]

i think that every person has a different set of morals, no 2 people are alike