withdrawl?

[krystalm]

am i having withdrawals from blow? i've been feeling really nausea and getting headaches and craving it but i've always craved it but whatever and i haven't done it for like a week or two because i have no $$$ which i suppose is good but i don't like feeling like shit.

[serial-thrilla]

uhh yeah you are.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

yup! Welcome to the wonderful world of cocaine withdrawl. It's a bitch.

[byee]

Yes, cocaine produces withdrawal.

Tell your therapist (yet another thing to talk about!), and get some meds to ease the cravings. See her soon, too.

[MrPinnick17]

Dang, that's some hard stuff. I had some weed laced with cocaine once, it was the worst high of my life. I think that's probably why I don't smoke as much as I used to, I rarely ever do it at all now.

[serial-thrilla]

Yes, cocaine produces withdrawal.

Tell your therapist (yet another thing to talk about!), and get some meds to ease the cravings. See her soon, too. i fail to see the logic in getting hooked on more drugs to forget about her current addiction.

[byee]

i fail to see the logic in getting hooked on more drugs to forget about her current addiction.

I'm not suggesting she get hooked on drugs, there's a huge difference between street drugs and medications prescribed by MD's. Those medications can help ease the craving of the drugs that she's currently addicted to, as well as address some of the other symptoms she has.

It's always important to keep an open mind, Serial, even with things that you might personally disagree with. Your needs are not the same as others.

[krystalm]

thanks for all the advice, i don't talk to my therapist and psychiatrist about "self destruction" issues, because i told her i did none of it just "binged", i wasn't sure if they were withdrawal symptoms for sure or they were just cause by anxiety.

rah, clean from cocaine for a little over two weeks.
no weed or booze for over a week =)
yay.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

I'm not suggesting she get hooked on drugs, there's a huge difference between street drugs and medications prescribed by MD's. Those medications can help ease the craving of the drugs that she's currently addicted to, as well as address some of the other symptoms she has.

It's always important to keep an open mind, Serial, even with things that you might personally disagree with. Your needs are not the same as others.

Well actually, some street drugs are more healthy, more effective, and less addictive than prescription drugs. Ones that come to mind are Opium based drugs, marijuana of course, and salvia.

[byee]

Well actually, some street drugs are more healthy, more effective, and less addictive than prescription drugs. Ones that come to mind are Opium based drugs, marijuana of course, and salvia.

Sorry, wrong again. Do you realize how foolish it sounds for you to say that there are "Some street drugs that are more healthy, more effective, and less addictive than prescription drugs." ?! You make it sound like we're talking about organic broccoli here.

First, there's years of development and testing that go into the development of medicines. They have to show scientific proof of their effacacy and safety.

Second, there's strict quality control over the manufacturing and distribution process.

Third, before one is prescribed, a highly trained professional assesses the indications for the medication.

Fourth, that same highly trained pro monitors the patient for adverse reactions, as well as the usefulness of the medication itself.

Medications are designed specifically to treat certain ailments, and are monitored by those qualified to assess all that.

Street drugs are used for recreation and sold and distributed by those interested only in maximizing their own profits.


Do what you want, but don't distort reality to justify your own choices.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Sorry, wrong again. Do you realize how foolish it sounds for you to say that there are "Some street drugs that are more healthy, more effective, and less addictive than prescription drugs." ?! You make it sound like we're talking about organic broccoli here.

First, there's years of development and testing that go into the development of medicines. They have to show scientific proof of their effacacy and safety.

Second, there's strict quality control over the manufacturing and distribution process.

Third, before one is prescribed, a highly trained professional assesses the indications for the medication.

Fourth, that same highly trained pro monitors the patient for adverse reactions, as well as the usefulness of the medication itself.

Medications are designed specifically to treat certain ailments, and are monitored by those qualified to assess all that.

Street drugs are used for recreation and sold and distributed by those interested only in maximizing their own profits.


Do what you want, but don't distort reality to justify your own choices.

First, these results are not always accurate, and some things may be overlooked

second, This quality control falls under the same problems as point 1.

third, a "highly trained professional" Does not always know what's wrong, needless to say some doctors can be pill pushers (mine for instance)

fourth, Patients are not monitered nearly as much as they should be, which is recommended by the quality control staff. Doctors have hundreds of patients, and they can't worry about you every second of the day.

You are correct about medications being manufactured specifically for certain illnesses, however they are not always effectie, nor are they always prescribved for that said illness. I am on medication given to epileptics which I use as a sleeping pill.

A certain medication will not work for everyone, which I'm sure you know.

Street drugs are sold in order to make profit you are correct, however so are prescriptions. Who sets the price? Don't tell me that good ol' GlaxoSmithKline is just in it for the patients, because you and I both know they aren't.

If I smoked marijuana regularly, I truly believe it would work better than me prescribed anti-depressants, which I have been playing around with for years and still arent working.

[serial-thrilla]

Sorry, wrong again. Do you realize how foolish it sounds for you to say that there are "Some street drugs that are more healthy, more effective, and less addictive than prescription drugs." ?! You make it sound like we're talking about organic broccoli here.

First, there's years of development and testing that go into the development of medicines. They have to show scientific proof of their effacacy and safety.

Second, there's strict quality control over the manufacturing and distribution process.

Third, before one is prescribed, a highly trained professional assesses the indications for the medication.

Fourth, that same highly trained pro monitors the patient for adverse reactions, as well as the usefulness of the medication itself.

Medications are designed specifically to treat certain ailments, and are monitored by those qualified to assess all that.

Street drugs are used for recreation and sold and distributed by those interested only in maximizing their own profits.


Do what you want, but don't distort reality to justify your own choices. saying that medical drugs are all more healthy then street drugs is totally ignorant. Your credibility takes a cut from that. Doctors prescribe Dextroamphetamine to kids who say that they cant pay attention in school.(ADD) thats an amphetemine,speed, which is highly addictive and has very bad side effects. Theres many pain killers like oxycodon which are extremely addictive and potentially can kill you. Many medical drugs are extremely addictive and if she is already addicted to coke more medicine is a terrible idea. If your saying that all medical drugs are worse then ALL street drugs then i really think you should do a little bit of research.

[byee]

Listen, you guys are just plain wrong here, you're justifying your own drug use with these junk rationalizations.

If street drugs 'work' for you, that's fine, I suppose. However, if they male you 'feel' better, if they alleviate your symptoms, if you acknowledge that you have symptoms of some sort in the first place, you'd do well to find a doctor, get them evaluated, and try a bit of science in the form of proven, safe, and effective prescribed medications and the ongoing evaluation of an MD.

They might not be perfect, there might be flaws, it might take a while, but if you admit to having some problem, then the responsible choice is to get it treated by an MD.

You can choose not to, but ask yourself where you see yourself when you're 25 or 35 or 55.

And please, don't question my credibility here. It's about judgement and maturity and an ability to grasp onesself and reality. I'll take (and trust) the advice of my MD and the pharmaceutical makers over Jorge the Colombian any day.

[serial-thrilla]

Listen, you guys are just plain wrong here, you're justifying your own drug use with these junk rationalizations.

If street drugs 'work' for you, that's fine, I suppose. However, if they male you 'feel' better, if they alleviate your symptoms, if you acknowledge that you have symptoms of some sort in the first place, you'd do well to find a doctor, get them evaluated, and try a bit of science in the form of proven, safe, and effective prescribed medications and the ongoing evaluation of an MD.

They might not be perfect, there might be flaws, it might take a while, but if you admit to having some problem, then the responsible choice is to get it treated by an MD.

You can choose not to, but ask yourself where you see yourself when you're 25 or 35 or 55.

And please, don't question my credibility here. It's about judgement and maturity and an ability to grasp onesself and reality. I'll take (and trust) the advice of my MD and the pharmaceutical makers over Jorge the Colombian any day. Im not rationalizing my drug use at all. Ive never snorted a line in my life because i know how dangerous it is. Im just simply stating that just because its prescribed by a doctor does not make it safe or healthy. In some instances medication is helpful and the pros outweigh the possible cons. If you think that a speed addiction is worth getting better grades in school then being perscribed dex would be a good idea. Personally i dont. If i had children i would much rather them use an illegal drug like marijuana then a legal when perscribed drug like that, as well as many others. Im not taking anyones side here im just saying that medicinal drugs can ruin your life just as quickly as any "street" drug.
Im

[Maverick]

I agree with Rudi and Serial-Thrilla.
I'll take (and trust) the advice of my MD and the pharmaceutical makers over Jorge the Colombian any day.
Its simply foolish to fully accept anything doctor and what drug companies say. Doctors and pharmaceutical makers have their own motives and will to make profit. Sickness is as much of a business as drug dealing and its simply naive to deny that.

Its not about taking sides over legal versus illegal. Its being aware of the dangers of both and taking account the potential risks that doctors and drug dealers can do to you. Its important to educate yourself on whatever you may take based off the facts. Not the illusion of legitimacy because of a government seal and a doctor's signature because anything that's safe can be recalled at any time and doctors can make mistakes or thrive for profit over the real patient's needs.

[byee]

Serial, listen, my friend, you don't want to take me on with this stuff. You just don't have your facts.

With the ADHD example you keep bringing up, here they are. ADHD is caused by a part of the brain's inability to work correctly. It's the part, when stimulated by the neurotransmitters in that part of the brain, that focus attention and concentration. So, without the brain's ability to do that, the bulb doesn't light up when the switch is flipped. The person cannot focus or attend properly. That part of their brain is inop.

With stimulant meds, that part of the brain is stimulated (by the meds) so it works properly and the person can focus. When they're not needing to focus, it sorta stays in the background.

When a 'normal' person takes stimulant meds, b/c that part of their brain works OK, the stimulant they take just stimulates them, giving them that speedy feeling, with no benefit to focus or concentration. In them, it acts like 'speed', because they don't need it, so they don't get the beneficial effect of it.

How or why you're saying that giving stimulant meds to someone who's brain essentially cannot function normally without it is somehow 'bad' just shows your ignorance about ADHD in general and how these stimulant meds work. Or worse, your willingness to dismiss a legit medical reason for using something that perhaps you only see as illicit because of your own drug use.
Most prescribed meds have a very useful, legitimate purpose, eventhough they can be misused for other purposes. Don't allow your values and decisions concerning drug use to impair your judgement concerning the overwhelmingly beneficial use of most meds for people who view (and use) them as they were intended.

Let's stop, OK? I'm not needing to convince you of anything here, you can do what you want with your body, I would encourage you to not minimize the potential long term effects, and to remember that there are others here who might be a tad more vulnerable to your absurd arguments which seemed based more on rationalization for your own drug use, rather than reality.

[serial-thrilla]

Serial, listen, my friend, you don't want to take me on with this stuff. You just don't have your facts.

With the ADHD example you keep bringing up, here they are. ADHD is caused by a part of the brain's inability to work correctly. It's the part, when stimulated by the neurotransmitters in that part of the brain, that focus attention and concentration. So, without the brain's ability to do that, the bulb doesn't light up when the switch is flipped. The person cannot focus or attend properly. That part of their brain is inop.

With stimulant meds, that part of the brain is stimulated (by the meds) so it works properly and the person can focus. When they're not needing to focus, it sorta stays in the background.

When a 'normal' person takes stimulant meds, b/c that part of their brain works OK, the stimulant they take just stimulates them, giving them that speedy feeling, with no benefit to focus or concentration. In them, it acts like 'speed', because they don't need it, so they don't get the beneficial effect of it.

How or why you're saying that giving stimulant meds to someone who's brain essentially cannot function normally without it is somehow 'bad' just shows your ignorance about ADHD in general and how these stimulant meds work. Or worse, your willingness to dismiss a legit medical reason for using something that perhaps you only see as illicit because of your own drug use.
Most prescribed meds have a very useful, legitimate purpose, eventhough they can be misused for other purposes. Don't allow your values and decisions concerning drug use to impair your judgement concerning the overwhelmingly beneficial use of most meds for people who view (and use) them as they were intended.

Let's stop, OK? I'm not needing to convince you of anything here, you can do what you want with your body, I would encourage you to not minimize the potential long term effects, and to remember that there are others here who might be a tad more vulnerable to your absurd arguments which seemed based more on rationalization for your own drug use, rather than reality. i dont even care to argue because thats not what this thread is about. Im just saying just because a kid cant pay attention in school, doesent mean that they have add. It can easily be faked/thought to be had. And just because it helps them, doesent make them less addictive and less harmful. Being overly stimulated is not the downside to this. There are many health factors like not being able to eat. But i stand with my advice to the poster to hang in there and to avoid all other drug use as well.

[Hyper]

And I just stand by my opinion of help the OP and don't hijack

Take it to the Rambling forum for once :)