is president bush a moron

[josh,]

im not sure but he is a liltel bit ...

[serial-thrilla]

no hes not. i dont agree with everything he does but he is definatly much smarter then you.

[nwshc]

no hes not. i dont agree with everything he does but he is definatly much smarter then you.

[redcar]

in fairness people all say that george w. is thick and all that, like i dont like him or anything, but he cant be that thick if has become the most powerful man in the world

[kevin]

If he's a moron, then so is more than half of the world. I don't personally agree with him, but I would never go so low as to call him a moron.

[Anonymous]

IO would say well over 50% of humans are morons.

[kolte]

I think george bush should not controll the united states and that hes not a good leader, but hes more stupid then anyother prez we have had. He got re-elected so he must be doing somting right.

[Anonymous]

as the quote I stated above..

[teencrazykid]

Or maybe the people who re-elected him ARE FUCKING MORONS JUST LIKE HE IS. He is bringing this country down, and we do not need him. Whoever would say that he's not a moron is in the same corner as he is. He really needs to resign, he's doing a sucky job. He has the past five years.

[serial-thrilla]

Or maybe the people who re-elected him ARE FUCKING MORONS JUST LIKE HE IS. He is bringing this country down, and we do not need him. Whoever would say that he's not a moron is in the same corner as he is. He really needs to resign, he's doing a sucky job. He has the past five years. stfu im not pro bush or anything but you are obviously more of a moron then he is.

[teencrazykid]

Well the hurricane response was TERRIBLE!!!!!! People waited five days, repeat FIVE DAYS for help!!!! Relief workers should have been posted near New Orleans, not hundreds of miles away! The war in Iraq lasting this long is UNNECESSARY! The people of Iraq dont want us there, so let them fall back under the clutches of Saddam. Bush is just wasting American lives....you dont see any of HIS family members over there, do you...no-thats what I thought.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i didnt know he had family members young enough to join the armed forces :roll:

your an ediot. move the fuck out of america we dont want you here

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

good point. we cant pull out of the country now. whether your for the war or against it, most people realize that theres NO backing up now. if we left their country will disintigrate and fall under terrorist control. anyone who wants to leave now is damning ever person there to a life of uncertainty, hatred, and opression under terrorist rule

[kolte]

indeed, but when you said this:

"so if we do let saddam take over again we will almost guarantee another 9/11 then theres strong chances of not only american citizens but children dying as well"

what about the 1000's of children who have died in Iraq. I would rather see Iraq prevael under democratic rule then any other nation right now. the people deserve it after what they have had to endoure.

[nwshc]

Or maybe the people who re-elected him ARE FUCKING MORONS JUST LIKE HE IS. He is bringing this country down, and we do not need him. Whoever would say that he's not a moron is in the same corner as he is. He really needs to resign, he's doing a sucky job. He has the past five years.
Look kid, you suck. Your facts suck (which to this point have only been opinions) and your arguments suck.

Did you ever thing that Bush got reelected because John Kerry is a fucking pussy? The only reason they voted for Bush is because the didn't want Kerry in office. That is how would have votes, and that is how many people voted.
Everyone would have much prefered if there were two different people other than Bush and Kerry, but out of the two, Bush is a better leader.
Got it? Now stop saying "Bush suck because I say so." That doesn't work.

[nwshc]

Well the hurricane response was TERRIBLE!!!!!! People waited five days, repeat FIVE DAYS for help!!!! Relief workers should have been posted near New Orleans, not hundreds of miles away!
Well guess what? The hurricane was not his problem. It was the Mayor of NO and the Govenor of Louisiana. They were the ones that were suppost to coordinate everything even before the first raindrop hit the ground. They failed. Yet you blame is on Bush. He can not focus on one state while he is running a country with 280,000,000+ people in it.

The war in Iraq lasting this long is UNNECESSARY! The people of Iraq dont want us there, so let them fall back under the clutches of Saddam.
What do you expect us to do? Overthrow a dictator and leave the citizens fending for themselves? We need to stay commited and help rebuild Iraq, no matter how long it takes. We started it, we must finish.
Bush is just wasting American lives....you dont see any of HIS family members over there, do you...no-thats what I thought.
I bet none of your family members are over their either, noob. Ya, thats what I thought.

[teencrazykid]

Yah, lost of my family have fought for this country but my family is going to fight in a pointless war.

[nwshc]

I was not asking about previous wars, was I? No.

Now, since are whining that his family is in the war, are any of yours? No, I did not think so.
Hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

How the hell do you guys think bush is a good president!
He is an average citizen, he is nothing extrordinary! He cant handle america, he cant handle war, he cant handle people, and he sure as hell cant handle our economy....Bill clinton got our gas prices down to 80 cents a gallon where I lived! That is the lowest since the 70's! I know, I know..we werent in war, but we shouldnt be in war considering that They had NO weapons of mass destruction! Bush lied, thousands died!

[nwshc]

How the hell do you guys think bush is a good president!
He is an average citizen, he is nothing extrordinary! He cant handle America, he cant handle war, he cant handle people, and he sure as hell cant handle our economy....Bill Clinton got our gas prices down to 80 cents a gallon where I lived! That is the lowest since the 70's! I know, I know..we weren't in war, but we shouldn't be in war considering that They had NO weapons of mass destruction! Bush lied, thousands died!
He is a good president because he is a good leader. He will not back down when people try to intimidate him/America (ie Saddam, Osama).
He can handle America. He has so far, and America had so much trust in him that they elected him for a second term. He can handle war. What you do not get is now that we have over thrown Saddam, we must commit to Iraq. We can and will not just get up and leave. So far he has not plunged our economy into a new depression, so that's a check in my book. With All war, you are going to see a dip in the economy. That's a given.
I admire bill Clinton and I am not denying him anything.
There was credible evidence that there were WMDs in Iraq. British intelligence even said so. Every Agency in America said so. I highly doubt that Bush held a gun to Britains, and American intelligences head and made them lie. Britain is also in this, and they also confirmed the WMDs.
Thousands died in the name of peace. What do you expect, that we go into war and come out without one injury? your expectations are way to high. This is war. This is reality.

[TheWizard]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.

[nwshc]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.
Josh, read this:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11534
You might learn something.

And I'm sorry you can not argure against facts. You just resort to name calling. Very sad it is. Infact all your statments against bush have lacked facts, and were identical to the statement above.

[josh,]

i think hes a bad president but he is a good strong person fit to handel a war

[teencrazykid]

How the hell do you guys think bush is a good president!
He is an average citizen, he is nothing extrordinary! He cant handle America, he cant handle war, he cant handle people, and he sure as hell cant handle our economy....Bill Clinton got our gas prices down to 80 cents a gallon where I lived! That is the lowest since the 70's! I know, I know..we weren't in war, but we shouldn't be in war considering that They had NO weapons of mass destruction! Bush lied, thousands died!

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.

agreed and agreed

[Anonymous]

Test studies showed that from years 200-2004, democrats had better high school test averages and scores! If THAT doesnt say anything than nothing will. We read about it in an old kid section of time magazine.

[teencrazykid]

I can EASILY believe that, studies or not....

[teencrazykid]

I was not asking about previous wars, was I? No.

Now, since are whining that his family is in the war, are any of yours? No, I did not think so.
Hypocrite.

Well, think about it this way. Bush's propaganda speeches and causes are all nothing but bullshit, and your just another idiot who will believe anything the little dick says.

[nwshc]

Test studies showed that from years 200-2004, democrats had better high school test averages and scores! If THAT doesnt say anything than nothing will. We read about it in an old kid section of time magazine.
And who cares? How smart you are does not show what personality, and how well you are at handleing situations.

Well, think about it this way. Bush's propaganda speeches and causes are all nothing but bullshit, and your just another idiot who will believe anything the little dick says.
ah, yes. I am one of 51% of the rest of america(about 150,000,000) that would have rather had him president in 2004. Im sure that 51% of America would not like those harsh words.
Please DO us all a favor and PROVE your points rather than just pulling something out of your ass. Ah, you must not be used to that.
Your name calling just shows everyone else you are trying to salvage whatever little dignaty you have left after the pwnage laid upon you.

[Anonymous]

pttt, intelligence is everything you fool! Holy shit! intelligence is nearly all of it! goerge bush is so shallow minded and unintelligent...GROSS I cant honestly believe how you guys think he is a good president.
You are all idiots!

[nwshc]

pttt, intelligence is everything you fool! Holy shit! intelligence is nearly all of it! goerge bush is so shallow minded and unintelligent...GROSS I cant honestly believe how you guys think he is a good president.
You are all idiots!
Yes, Im sure even though Bush graduated Harvard, it still makes him as dumb as a rock.
Intelligence is not everything. You have plain old commen sence, and things you learn that you are never taught in school. You may be smarter than me, but I may have more commen sence and street smarts.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

pttt, intelligence is everything you fool! Holy shit! intelligence is nearly all of it! goerge bush is so shallow minded and unintelligent...GROSS I cant honestly believe how you guys think he is a good president.
You are all idiots!

all you do is bitch and moan about how bad he is, and do you ever hear me or nick bitch and moan about how good he is? no, we provide facts. you dont at all

[kevin]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.
Josh, read this:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11534
You might learn something.

And I'm sorry you can not argure against facts. You just resort to name calling. Very sad it is. Infact all your statments against bush have lacked facts, and were identical to the statement above.

Nick, I cannot beleive you. Do you understand what condition josh is in. Maybe you'd understand that he can't comprehend things like we can. You do know what schizophrenic means, right? Because I think you should say sorry to josh, that's amazingly rude.

[serial-thrilla]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.
Josh, read this:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11534
You might learn something.

And I'm sorry you can not argure against facts. You just resort to name calling. Very sad it is. Infact all your statments against bush have lacked facts, and were identical to the statement above.

Nick, I cannot beleive you. Do you understand what condition josh is in. Maybe you'd understand that he can't comprehend things like we can. You do know what schizophrenic means, right? Because I think you should say sorry to josh, that's amazingly rude. to be fair josh did say something offensive to someone who nick admires.

[teencrazykid]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.
Josh, read this:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11534
You might learn something.

And I'm sorry you can not argure against facts. You just resort to name calling. Very sad it is. Infact all your statments against bush have lacked facts, and were identical to the statement above.

Nick, I cannot beleive you. Do you understand what condition josh is in. Maybe you'd understand that he can't comprehend things like we can. You do know what schizophrenic means, right? Because I think you should say sorry to josh, that's amazingly rude. to be fair josh did say something offensive to someone who nick admires.

Being schizophrenic has NOTHING to do with anyone comprehension skills. I am schizo, and I don't have problems comprhending things. No, Josh is right. "President" Bush put the country in a deficit THAT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE! Our country is broke, and it said on the World News early this morning (2:05am-4:00am Eastern Time) that not many are enlisting in the U.S. Military. And can you blame them? No one in their right mind would want to serve in Iraq where we don't belong. If we want to defend ourselves against terrorism, then we need to protect places that they could strike, BUT NOT EVERYONE ELSE. That may sound selfish, but AT the same time, we can't save the world.

[Whisper]

:evil: EVERYBODY LEAVE JOSH ALONE!!!!!! :evil:

[Φρανκομβριτ]

In a word, Yes. He is a moron

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i think hes great, and i love everything that hes done.

[nwshc]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.
Josh, read this:
http://www.virtualteen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11534
You might learn something.

And I'm sorry you can not argure against facts. You just resort to name calling. Very sad it is. Infact all your statments against bush have lacked facts, and were identical to the statement above.

Nick, I cannot beleive you. Do you understand what condition josh is in. Maybe you'd understand that he can't comprehend things like we can. You do know what schizophrenic means, right? Because I think you should say sorry to josh, that's amazingly rude.

What, and that makes him an exception?! Just because he can't "comprehend" whats going on, mean I should leave him alone? Absolutely not. Odviously he can "comprehend" what is going on if he posts. Duh. If he doesn't like what I have to say, then so be it. But did you ever thing that in order to come in here, you must say alittle more than "Bush sucks donkey dick"? I am not going to treat him "special" just because he has a problem.

[teencrazykid]

Whatever, Bush sucks donkey dicks.

agreed.

[RunAwayMolly]

Only 28% of america think this country is going in a good direction... i think that sums it up.

[kolte]

indeed

[serial-thrilla]

Only 28% of america think this country is going in a good direction... i think that sums it up. i agree that america is not in good shape right now but all fingers cannot be pointed at bush

[RunAwayMolly]

Only 28% of america think this country is going in a good direction... i think that sums it up. i agree that america is not in good shape right now but all fingers cannot be pointed at bush

well a lot of them can... but your right its not just bush... its the rest of the gonvernment and how closed minded this country is.

[ACantstantEar]

I'm not pointing the finger directly at Bush but I will say that since the Republicans came to a majority in the government, a lot of things have changed for the worse, which is common knowledge. I will keep it at that, that is all I really need to say.

[kolte]

president bush is not the best prez we have ever had by a long shot, but hes not the worst either. yes we have delved into a sub depression under his administration. But I think the real reason that the county is slowly decaying is because of the current congress. They simply suck for lack of a better word. If they put their foot down and told bush NO. no more troops, no more military funding. Ugh, if they gave a damn about real american society then yes, the united states would be better. frankly I think that the republican party was damned in this campaign, I don't think the united states will have a republican majority for a while after this administration falls.

[Anonymous]

also the fact that 8 people on this website think he's a moron..and only 4 dont.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya austin, because 12 people from vt really present an accurate representaion of the whole american population

[kolte]

your wright dude, it would have to be even less supporters to make an accurete ratio

[Anonymous]

hahahahahaha that was really funny kolte!!!!! :lol:

[kevin]

I'm actually kind of happy nick is frozen for that, that was extremely rude.

[toogilwell2006]

ok have to chime in here. is bush an idiot...umm yes and no. Yes in that he is doing a lot of stuff i don't agree with, but he has done a lot of things i can agree with. It all seems to come back to the war. Was it the wrong choice? sure but hindsight is 20/20. i think that with the information he had at the time he made the right call, though it is really sad that we found out later the info was wrong...so do the families of close to 2 thousand dead american soldiers. I also don't think we are in a depression. i haven't been in a soup line once, and if my dumb ass can get a job then unemployment can't be that high.

I look at it this way...and have looked at it this way since 2000.

In 2000 we had bush and gore. Hmm do i wanna take it in the butt or in the puss...either way i am going to get screwed. on one hand we have the cowboy bush who has no diction, and on the other hand we have democrat Gore who invented the net. i chose the cowboy.

jump ahead to 2004. Bush who seemed to handle himselve well in the midst of the worse disaster the US has ever really faced, or Kerry who obviously ran a platform based on what the voters wanted to hear and not what was actualy needed for the country. again in the ass or puss?

My personal belief is that the 2004 elections was a set up for the '08 game. The democrats pushed this lifeless backtalker so as to encourage votes Bushward. They knew that if kerry won, that could possibly mean 8 bloody years of drudgery before their canidate of choice could be put into office. They knew that kerry couldn't beat bush, but they also knew that bush was a dolt, and after a nother 4 years no one would want another republican term. This means a shoe in for a democrat candidate! And we all know who they have been grooming for the presidency since early 2001.

That's right. one Mrs Hillary Clinton. Since the closing if his first term this lady has been setting herself up, and image herself as a moderate for like 3 years now. She and the democrats know that if she can make people think she is in the center she can get most of the democrat votes, and a LARGE number of dissgruntled Republican votes.

Of course this is all conjecture but it is looking more and more true. Just watch i bet hillary if the frontrunner right from the get go. So if i am right one could almost blame the left for the crap we are in, by rigging the elections against their man..but that is really right wing conspirocy isn't it?

Chris

[ACantstantEar]

Hilary Clinton would make a great president, and she should run for the next election. She'd EASILY be elected.

Look at it this way:

This is a proven fact: 51% of America are females, and 49% are males.

Most females would vote for Hilary: most women love Hilary. She'd be a great candidate. A lot of men would vote for Hilary, too. This country really should have a female president, but one that could really lead America-and she'd be PERFECT for the job.

Only 28% of america think this country is going in a good direction... i think that sums it up. i agree that america is not in good shape right now but all fingers cannot be pointed at bush

No, but 9 out of 10 can. Like Molly said, not many Americans approve of his handling of America. I believe that about sums it up, also

[redcar]

i would love to see hilary clinton and codeleeza rice go up against each other cause i think they would be both gr8 presidents

[toogilwell2006]

God help us all should hillary become president. she is trying a little to hard to become a very center of the line canidate. She is telling everyone what the want to hear, voting right of center on things she is obiously against, trying to appease as many voters as possible.

hillary is a scary beast. The clintons are about as far left as rush limbough is right. if hilirary becomes this nations first president, then i have lost all hope in the american people. Canada becomes a good choice. Call me what you will, but that is how i feel. i love my country, but i am scared to death of what hillary would do to us. She is just to extreme...and now all of the sudden she is magicaly righ in the middle of the isle? Can we say political positioning?

Chris

[kolte]

VOTE FOR HILLARY

[toogilwell2006]

VOTE LIZZY DOLE!

[redcar]

is she the husband or any relative of bob dole, the guy who ran for president

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

colin powell uh uh

[toogilwell2006]

Elizabeth Dole is bob dole's wife. bob whom i would have voted for had the man not been on so old dust comes out his mouth when he coughs

[kolte]

the elderly are usually much more wise then the young.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

not really my parents are smarter than my grand parents and im smarter than all of them

[kolte]

doubt it

[toogilwell2006]

Not saying he is dumb. In fact it doesn' have a thing to do with smarts or polotics. Look at it this way...polotics and philosophy aside...would you want dick Cheney to be the next president? i sure wouldn't. Just not safe health wise.

[nullandvoid123]

Or maybe the people who re-elected him ARE FUCKING MORONS JUST LIKE HE IS. He is bringing this country down, and we do not need him. Whoever would say that he's not a moron is in the same corner as he is. He really needs to resign, he's doing a sucky job. He has the past five years. haha oh my god, people like you are hilarious. you dont know what the hell youre talking about.
Well the hurricane response was TERRIBLE!!!!!! People waited five days, repeat FIVE DAYS for help!!!! Relief workers should have been posted near New Orleans, not hundreds of miles away! The war in Iraq lasting this long is UNNECESSARY! The people of Iraq dont want us there, so let them fall back under the clutches of Saddam. Bush is just wasting American lives....you dont see any of HIS family members over there, do you...no-thats what I thought. first of all, the response was not terrible, and people were not waiting five days. its so funny when ignorant people like you try to criticize bush. secondly, only the goddam rebels want us out of iraq, you fucking retard. almost all of the innocent civilians are greatful for our help. and finally, even if we did pull out, how the hell would saddam take over the country again if HE IS IN PRISON. and you try to call bush a moron...

[Nicholas William]

I'm actually kind of happy nick is frozen for that, that was extremely rude.

Sorry Kevin. I was not frozen for that.

Sorry to crush your happiness.

[Anonymous]

Bush is a grandma's cunt! He has taken the most vacation time of any president and he has made our economy turn to shit. I just cant wait to laugh at gas prices!! Dick cheney IS the leading force behind bush, time magazine called him the most powerful vice president ever. So I guess I shouldnt say its all Bush's fault...hahaha who am I kidding he cant make any decisions for himself and dick might leave during mid term(thats what i heard) And its funny because bush still trusts dick to make good decisions. Bush is soo incredibly blind! good lord I just cant possibly see the stupidness that people must have to love him.

[Nicholas William]

ok, Austin :roll:

Yup, grandmas cunt, bash bash bash. ya ya ya, we have herd it all.

Ok, people are not stupid to love him. People can make their own fucking opinions and stances different than yours, you know. And you shouldn't bash them for that. Their political stance does not show who they are as a person, and their intellect.

[kolte]

shutup noob lol hahahaha nick is a noob lol

[Nicholas William]

hey, mediator. STFU
:)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Bush is a grandma's cunt! He has taken the most vacation time of any president and he has made our economy turn to shit. I just cant wait to laugh at gas prices!! Dick cheney IS the leading force behind bush, time magazine called him the most powerful vice president ever. So I guess I shouldnt say its all Bush's fault...hahaha who am I kidding he cant make any decisions for himself and dick might leave during mid term(thats what i heard) And its funny because bush still trusts dick to make good decisions. Bush is soo incredibly blind! good lord I just cant possibly see the stupidness that people must have to love him.

if i had the choice to make bush president forever, i would do it not because i think bush deserves it, but to PISS YOU THE FUCK OFF as much as possible

[Anonymous]

Well no offence, but once im 18 I will study abroad. So You guys will just be forced to suffer in hell. I will be around great intellect whille you guys will be probably still in Iraq trying to convert muslims...lol

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Well no offence, but once im 18 I will study abroad. So You guys will just be forced to suffer in hell. I will be around great intellect whille you guys will be probably still in Iraq trying to convert muslims...lol

YOU, become INTELLIGENT?

actually wait ANY amount of experience whatsoever makes you more smarter than you are now, which doesnt say much when it comes to politics

[Whisper]

Well no offence, but once im 18 I will study abroad. So You guys will just be forced to suffer in hell. I will be around great intellect whille you guys will be probably still in Iraq trying to convert muslims...lol

I'll probly have been shot down, sunk er blown up by then

(Y)

[Anonymous]

Haha matt actually your still a bush slave, so that still makes you so far down on the intelligence scale than any democrat.

secondly, Im taking 11th grade classes and Im valedictorian in both of them. AP Biology and Pre calculas. I definantly wouldnt start with me about intelligence. I have plenty. You have absolutely no idea how stupid you look when your defending a shit like George bush.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahahah u and all your intelligence cant make your shitty life any better can it? some USELESS intelligence you have if you cant get yourself out of a hole.

[Anonymous]

Matt you r intelligence will never do any good if you can never give a damn about people! You are a disgusting cunt! that has to be the worst comment ive ever recieved! How about you go ass fuck someone else for a bit!

WELL, your intelligentence also must have made your voice sound like a cheerleader. If your that smart, then why dont you go fix it? That sounds just as stupid as what you told me! I cant help anything I was given you fuck face! Do you think I asked "can i please be miserable, have an abusive uncle, have a disgusting, cancered mom, have a dad that told me he would love watching me die?"

If what you have is considered intelligence in your little world, then Im glad I dont have it!! I can blackmail you just as easy as you did Rudi, CYRUS!!!

[kolte]

This is no longer progressing. Sombody lock this, and cyrus, that was uncalled for, rude, deliberate, disgusting, faoul, random, immature, low blow and I think you should be frozen.

request LOCK

[redcar]

hahahah u and all your intelligence cant make your shitty life any better can it? some USELESS intelligence you have if you cant get yourself out of a hole.

u crossed the line big time

[nullandvoid123]

Bush is a grandma's cunt! He has taken the most vacation time of any president and he has made our economy turn to shit. I just cant wait to laugh at gas prices!! Dick cheney IS the leading force behind bush, time magazine called him the most powerful vice president ever. So I guess I shouldnt say its all Bush's fault...hahaha who am I kidding he cant make any decisions for himself and dick might leave during mid term(thats what i heard) And its funny because bush still trusts dick to make good decisions. Bush is soo incredibly blind! good lord I just cant possibly see the stupidness that people must have to love him. you are so incredibly blind because you dont know what the hell you're talking about. and i would bet money on that. half the people on this website that criticize bush dont have any basis or have any knowledge about how bush is really running this country. god i cant stand ignorant assholes.

[kevin]

Debating about bush on this website should be banned. More than half the people are just saying things because their parents didn't vote for those people. Less bashing and more evidence would make sense.

[nwshc]

Haha matt actually your still a bush slave, so that still makes you so far down on the intelligence scale than any democrat.

secondly, Im taking 11th grade classes and Im valedictorian in both of them. AP Biology and Pre calculas. I definantly wouldnt start with me about intelligence. I have plenty. You have absolutely no idea how stupid you look when your defending a shit like George bush.
You have no idea how stupid you look telling him he has no intelligance for having his own opinion.
If anything, you are making yourself look like a moron for just saying hes a loser for his beliefs

Matt you r intelligence will never do any good if you can never give a damn about people! You are a disgusting cunt! that has to be the worst comment ive ever recieved! How about you go ass fuck someone else for a bit!

WELL, your intelligentence also must have made your voice sound like a cheerleader. If your that smart, then why dont you go fix it? That sounds just as stupid as what you told me! I cant help anything I was given you fuck face! Do you think I asked "can i please be miserable, have an abusive uncle, have a disgusting, cancered mom, have a dad that told me he would love watching me die?"

If what you have is considered intelligence in your little world, then Im glad I dont have it!! I can blackmail you just as easy as you did Rudi, CYRUS!!!
What does how smart he is have to do with his voice? irrelivant.

"Do you think I asked "can i please be miserable, have an abusive uncle, have a disgusting, cancered mom, have a dad that told me he would love watching me die?"
No, but you could just stop it all (except for the cancer part) instead of whinning to us.

Inteligance has nothing to do with your beliefs, and your beliefs do not make you any less intelligant.

[Anonymous]

That it does nick, then WHY do nearly all scientists and English professors, writers, or any philosophers STILL continuie to vote democratic? Because they are intelligent enough to look at statistics and find a deeper meaning to this world! It takes intelligence to do all these jobs! did you know that most GOVERNMENT workers are democrats? *shock* And they even work for the government. Nick you live a selfish, spoiled, sheltered life, you have never experienced true pain. If you did you would feel something. But you are an empty, disgusting, heartless bastard that enjoys watching bush destroy all of america! I dont need any more proof to back up my facts. The horror of bush probably lives in your backyard!

[nwshc]

That it does nick, then WHY do nearly all scientists and English professors, writers, or any philosophers STILL continuie to vote democratic?
Maybe because they want to? Duh!
O, and site where you got that please.
Because they are intelligent enough to look at statistics and find a deeper meaning to this world!
What the fuck does the world have have to do with the president?
It takes intelligence to do all these jobs!
It takes inteligance to do all jobs :roll:
did you know that most GOVERNMENT workers are democrats? *shock* And they even work for the government.
Good for them. Is that suppost to tell me something?
Nick you live a selfish, spoiled, sheltered life, you have never experienced true pain.
Ouch, that hurts
If you did you would feel something. But you are an empty, disgusting, heartless bastard that enjoys watching bush destroy all of america!
Ouch again.
Again, he is not "Destorying" America as you say he is. If he is so bad, then why was he relected?
I dont need any more proof to back up my facts.
So far, i havent seen any
The horror of bush probably lives in your backyard!
um... ok

[nullandvoid123]

That it does nick, then WHY do nearly all scientists and English professors, writers, or any philosophers STILL continuie to vote democratic? Because they are intelligent enough to look at statistics and find a deeper meaning to this world! It takes intelligence to do all these jobs! did you know that most GOVERNMENT workers are democrats? *shock* And they even work for the government. Nick you live a selfish, spoiled, sheltered life, you have never experienced true pain. If you did you would feel something. But you are an empty, disgusting, heartless bastard that enjoys watching bush destroy all of america! I dont need any more proof to back up my facts. The horror of bush probably lives in your backyard! ha ha funny. do you know what the world would be like if kerry was president. and im so damn sure that youre a fucking english professor. i have a smart algebra teacher whos republican. ohh, what now? you have no idea what you're talk about. you sit there and make your petty little insults against bush, and youve got no clue what the fuck you're talking about. god i hate people like you.

[nwshc]

You are just as bad as Austin, Zack. Rambleing on with only opinions and hate based on his beliefs.

[kolte]

That it does nick, then WHY do nearly all scientists and English professors, writers, or any philosophers STILL continuie to vote democratic? Because they are intelligent enough to look at statistics and find a deeper meaning to this world! It takes intelligence to do all these jobs! did you know that most GOVERNMENT workers are democrats? *shock* And they even work for the government. Nick you live a selfish, spoiled, sheltered life, you have never experienced true pain. If you did you would feel something. But you are an empty, disgusting, heartless bastard that enjoys watching bush destroy all of america! I dont need any more proof to back up my facts. The horror of bush probably lives in your backyard! ha ha funny. do you know what the world would be like if kerry was president. and im so damn sure that youre a fucking english professor. i have a smart algebra teacher whos republican. ohh, what now? you have no idea what you're talk about. you sit there and make your petty little insults against bush, and youve got no clue what the fuck you're talking about. god i hate people like you.





Ok that is enough. This is not a fight it is a debate people.

And here are my facts:

What has president bush done for the county, the following:


* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_accomplishments.html

[Anonymous]

Kolte, nice info. Secondly NICk, I get all my info from watching cnn. Also nick, you must be as stupid as shit for not knowing that english and science majors usually vote for bush! Good lord, think it through!
My mom works for the centers of disease control in atlanta! She gets to see bush nearly every month. Please tell me you have heard of CDC, it is a huge company/business. She was in the lab when they first identified the "AIDS scare." She knows for a fact that nearly all of the workers at CDC and the majority of government workers voted for Kerry in 2004 and have been voting democraticly for the past 10 years!

[nwshc]

Also nick, you must be as stupid as shit for not knowing that english and science majors usually vote for bush! Good lord, think it through! good for them. Do you and them want a cookie or a medal?
My mom works for the centers of disease control in atlanta! She gets to see bush nearly every month.
cool
Please tell me you have heard of CDC, it is a huge company/business. She was in the lab when they first identified the "AIDS scare." She knows for a fact that nearly all of the workers at CDC and the majority of government workers voted for Kerry in 2004 and have been voting democraticly for the past 10 years!
Good for them. Do they want a cookie or a medal?
The voting trends of 1 company do not reflect the whole Untied States.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

The website Othello got his information from must have been designed by a 3 year old girl. Observe:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1048/georgewbushaccomplishmentsaspr.jpg

Sorry i shouldnt be making fun of the shitty places you get your facts from... but meh whatever i thought it was funny. I have a more accurate and complete list of george bush's accomplishments:



Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.


Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.


Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."


On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.


Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.


Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.


Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.


Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."


Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.


Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.


Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.


More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.


New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.



Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.


Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.


Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.


Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.


Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women

Rule of Law



heres the citation:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7972/presidentbushsaccomplishmentsm.jpg

[kolte]

are you judging the reliability of my sources information because of the disign of the site? Don't judge a book by its cover.

[nwshc]

To be fair, All of his vacations have been clasified as "working vacations"

He just doesn't sit around and watch Sponge Bob.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no, his vacations are hardly that. whenever my dad takes a "vacation" he brings his fucking laptop, cellphone, and blackberry with him. he makes business calls all the time and i could HARDLY call it a "vacation". the president just doesnt sit around, he signs bills and shit. its not like the VP just takes over

[kolte]

. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:


wtf ever, that a bunch of bs

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

<-Dying_to_Live->

Half of these "accomplishments" that you named could be considered negative. I know that at least one of them go against your own values...

THATS WHY MY LIST IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN OTHELLO'S

its not lopsided propagandist bullshit, it shows BOTH sides and allows you to draw your OWN conclusions. i dont agree with a lot of the things the president has done, but i support him because i love this country

[kolte]

You ask me to give some basis to my debates, I know all the good, and bad the man has done. But the basis for my not likeing him, is what I posted.

[nullandvoid123]

The website Othello got his information from must have been designed by a 3 year old girl. Observe:

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1048/georgewbushaccomplishmentsaspr.jpg

Sorry i shouldnt be making fun of the shitty places you get your facts from... but meh whatever i thought it was funny. I have a more accurate and complete list of george bush's accomplishments:



Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.


Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.


Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."


On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.


Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.


Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.


Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.


Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."


Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.


Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.


Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.


More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.


New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.



Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.


Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.


Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.


Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.


Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women

Rule of Law



heres the citation:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7972/presidentbushsaccomplishmentsm.jpg
:clap:
Ok that is enough. This is not a fight it is a debate people.

And here are my facts:

What has president bush done for the county, the following:


* Attacked and took over two countries.
* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_accomplishments.html again, this is why i call you narrowminded. all you named are a few bad things bush has done, and i fully accept that there are some. i know that bush hasn't done everything right, you on the other hand, look at only what he didnt do right. and you call me narrow minded. ha!
You are just as bad as Austin, Zack. Rambleing on with only opinions and hate based on his beliefs. nothing i say is based on my beliefs. it is pure fact.

[kolte]

I'm not narrow minded you noob. I have simply givin factual information of reasons I dislike President bush. And I read all of what cosmos wrote, and in my opionion. The bad still out ways the good. We are in debt 8 trillion dollars, I think that says somting. Bush removed the un elections board, I think that says somthing. Bush made giant tax cuts for people who make over 100000 dollars a year, I think thats retarted when 80 percent of america makes less then 100000 dollars. I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. I think he made a mistake with katrina, I think he made a mistake with 911. I think that hes a bad president. You say you have given me facts, show them. I have not see them. I have seen you badmouth democratic people. I have not seen you support bush with factual information.

[nwshc]

again, this is why i call you narrowminded. all you named are a few bad things bush has done, and i fully accept that there are some. i know that bush hasn't done everything right, you on the other hand, look at only what he didnt do right. and you call me narrow minded. ha!

Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness.

[redcar]

this is really going no where cause there will always be someone who likes george w and someone who doesnt and will argue to the death to prove their point. it is like religion there is just no point argueing about it

[serial-thrilla]

no hes not. i dont agree with everything he does but he is definatly much smarter then you.

Harsh well if he has convinced more then half of america to vote for him twice then he is obviously smarter then some noob.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

a lot of people like to throw the word debt around.... they make it sound worse than it is. sure america is in 8 trillion dollar debt, but how much money do we make a year? 12 trillion dollars. at the end of the day, that's a 4 TRILLION dollar net GAIN. stop complaining u dopes

[kolte]

a lot of people like to throw the word debt around.... they make it sound worse than it is. sure america is in 8 trillion dollar debt, but how much money do we make a year? 12 trillion dollars. at the end of the day, that's a 4 TRILLION dollar net GAIN. stop complaining u dopes

prove it. We are in debt bigtime. And you cant argue. We have not had surplus since Clinton.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

WE HAVE NOT HAD A SURPLUS FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS YOU MORON. get your facts straight.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7228/history14cj.gif

[kolte]

you don't even know what a surplus is you idiot. get YOUR facts stright. a surplus is when you make more then you spend. and under clintons administration the us did just that. did we get out of debt, NO, did we have a surplus YES

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thanks for enlightening me on the meaning of the word. well apparntly this year is going to be a major 4 trill surpluss so --sticks tongue out at antifreedom fighter--

[kolte]

No cyrus.....Our country is not makeing more then it spends. I don't know where you heard that. The bush administration is not makeing more then it spends.

Fun Facts!

The estimated population of the United States is 297,474,449 so each citizen's share of this debt is $26,907.54.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.63 billion per day since September 30, 2004!

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 19 Oct 2005 at 04:29:27 PM GMT is: $ 8,004,306,545,520.71

Oh, and cyrus did you hear on the news about the possible whitehouse scandle. It could be worse then the watergate. OOOO, this has the possibilty to get bushy woshy imeached. I'm so happy @[email protected]

[nullandvoid123]

I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

SUCCESSES:
(also posted by dying_to_live)
Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.


Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.


Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."


On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.


Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.


Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.


Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.


Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."


Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.


Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.


Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.


More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.


New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.



Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.


Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.


Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.


Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.


Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women

Rule of Law
http://www.calpoly.edu/~doleary/bushaccomplishments.htm
(i decided to use the same list as dying_to_live used, because it was one of the best i had ever seen)

not to mention during the time after september 11th.

FAILURES:
-banned gay marriage in most states
-low sum of money donated to the victims of the tsunami

there are others, but right now im to tired to post them right now...

[kolte]

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.

So I guess if you pro abortion that doesnt affect you.

2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.

So he fucked with all the things clinton fought to accomplish in his presidency.

3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.


4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.

Once again if your for abortion this is bad

5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.


6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

33 million dollars.....thats it. Thats not allot of money to give to a program. wow, they can buy a few vans, a few books, and pay the saliries of their workers for a whole year. yippee.

7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional
amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.


Oh so its kinda like fuck you to the gay community.

8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.

Good, I like that


9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.

If their are dangerous schools, why didnt he help fund them to make them less dangerous.

10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).

So it was him that made it to where we are not allowed to do anything at school. Now I hate him more.

11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.

Related to student discipline......So are you saying if a teacher yells and curses and beats a student, it was disciplinary and the student cant sue the shit out of her.

12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Hes a fucking christian, that helps fund christian based organizations. Thats not helping the nation.

Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Yeah, tax cuts for people who make over 100000 dollars a year. and since 80% of america makes less then that, he was just helping rich bastards.

2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Wtf is the death tax

3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

turned around the economy.................THE ECONOMY IS THE WORST IT HAS BEEN SINCE THE DEPRESSION

4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

So the president has more power. fuck that. We WANT congress to have the most power.

5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

here here

6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

..................so hes messing with the market economy.....why doesnt he try and do HIS job for once

7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual
investment accounts.

meh, ok

8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

wtf ever, Clintons ergonomic plan was awsome. Bush just has no idea what hes doing.

9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

here here

10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

ugh, reduced taxes for rich people again, how nice

11. Signed trade promotion authority.

ok, that good

12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.

for family farms and ranches? Its just cuz his family owns farms and ranches.

13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.

OMG, europe doesnt want our contaminated shit so we bitch about it.

14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

OMG, Don't even get me started.

15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

20 million dollars......thats it......thats less then 1 million dollars a state......whos is he trying to help.

16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

created a fund to help......how much did he give 20 bucks

17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

.............ok thats good.

18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.

so he trys to ban abortion and makes it harder to adopt, what a idiot.

19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

ok, thats good

20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

How does that help ANYONE


1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.

OMG, he shamed the white house

2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.

FUCK GOD theirs a seperation of church and state, some of us don't believe in you god

3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

....................................................................I don't believe anyone would really think that.

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."


On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.

He visited it 3 days after it happend. what an ass. Of course when He got news that It happened he kept on reading a childrens book to the class he was visiting.

I'm gonna stop here, cuz I'm so angry I cant see stright

[nwshc]

I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

Its his god given right to bitch about bush all he wants, fool.
Oh, next time, why don't you do some research of your own instead of just copying and pasteing CYRUS' ORIGINAL POST.
fool

[TheWizard]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

No cyrus.....Our country is not makeing more then it spends. I don't know where you heard that. The bush administration is not makeing more then it spends.
You're a dirty liar and i hate liars

As of the second quarter of 2005, we have:

11.089 trillian dollars. Source-Bureau of Economic Analysis

Debt:

7.987 trillian dollars. Source-Bureau of Public Debt

My calcuations:

3.102 trillian dollars left for spending.






oh and by the way your figures for how much money debt is per individual are bloated beacuse you combined public debt with intragovernmental holdings. PUBLIC DEBT happens to be 4.616 trillian, which when divided by our population comes out to around 15 grand per person (a lot smaller than the 27 grand you claimed earlier).


Oh and my debt figures are slightly smaller than yours because they are from the 14th of October, the most recent time they have been officially calculated. Your numbers are innacurate because you got it from some shitty unofficial website that uses javascript to calculate the current debt with math formulas.

[nwshc]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense.
Do you have proof of this? I didn't think so.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense.
Do you have proof of this? I didn't think so.

wow. just wow.

[redcar]

this debate is like a bottomless pit............noone will ever win

[nwshc]

this debate is like a bottomless pit............noone will ever win
all of them are

[serial-thrilla]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense. what the hell? do you have any proof? i have never heard of that. and even if he did does that bother you so much that you think he is unsuitable to represent the united states?

[kevin]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense. what the hell? do you have any proof? i have never heard of that. and even if he did does that bother you so much that you think he is unsuitable to represent the united states?

Don't take everything so seriously...

Haha, that's kind of funny, and it would bother me, alot.

[serial-thrilla]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense. what the hell? do you have any proof? i have never heard of that. and even if he did does that bother you so much that you think he is unsuitable to represent the united states?

Don't take everything so seriously...

Haha, that's kind of funny, and it would bother me, alot. well if someone says they hate something/someone they need to be able to back it up

[Skhorpion]

The problem I have most with Bush is his constantly giving blow jobs to the Sec. Defense. what the hell? do you have any proof? i have never heard of that. and even if he did does that bother you so much that you think he is unsuitable to represent the united states?

Don't take everything so seriously...

Haha, that's kind of funny, and it would bother me, alot. well if someone says they hate something/someone they need to be able to back it up

i agree with serial-thrilla

i think george W does his job pretty good considering he has to worry about hurricanes, war and other things a president has to worry about

[TheWizard]

I hate bush and I don't have to have any evidense.

hahaha

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

you do if you want ANY PERSON to take you the least bit seriously

[nwshc]

I hate bush and I don't have to have any evidense.

hahaha
Well, you do or else you just make yourself look like a dumbass.

[nullandvoid123]

I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

Its his god given right to bitch about bush all he wants, fool.
Oh, next time, why don't you do some research of your own instead of just copying and pasteing CYRUS' ORIGINAL POST.
fool i did my own research fool. and that was my favorite piece. it just so fucking happens that cyrus had already posted it.

He visited it 3 days after it happend. what an ass. Of course when He got news that It happened he kept on reading a childrens book to the class he was visiting. you motherfucker... DO YOU WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHY HE KEPT READING TO THOSE CHILDREN? IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO SCARE THEM. HE DIDNT WANT THEM TO HAVE THE GODDAMN FEAR THEY THEY MIGHT GET FUCKING BLOWN UP BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE! I REMEBER HOW I FELT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. I WAS IN 5TH GRADE AND I WAS MORE SCARED THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. THAT SHOWS THE KIND OF MAN GEORGE W. BUSH IS. AND WHAT YOU SAID SHOWS THE KIND OF BASTARD YOU ARE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW FEAR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE YOU SON OF A BITCH! [/u]

[nullandvoid123]

[quote]I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

Its his god given right to bitch about bush all he wants, fool.
Oh, next time, why don't you do some research of your own instead of just copying and pasteing CYRUS' ORIGINAL POST.
fool i did my own research fool. and that was my favorite piece. it just so fucking happens that cyrus had already posted it.

He visited it 3 days after it happend. what an ass. Of course when He got news that It happened he kept on reading a childrens book to the class he was visiting. you motherfucker... DO YOU WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHY HE KEPT READING TO THOSE CHILDREN? IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO SCARE THEM. HE DIDNT WANT THEM TO HAVE THE GODDAMN FEAR THEY THEY MIGHT GET FUCKING BLOWN UP BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE! I REMEBER HOW I FELT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. I WAS IN 5TH GRADE AND I WAS MORE SCARED THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. THAT SHOWS THE KIND OF MAN GEORGE W. BUSH IS. AND WHAT YOU SAID SHOWS THE KIND OF BASTARD YOU ARE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW FEAR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE YOU SON OF A BITCH!

[serial-thrilla]

I hate bush and I don't have to have any evidense.

hahaha well if you have no evidence noone will take your opinion seriously.

[TheWizard]

Who cares. I have to read hundreds of posts each day and I don't have time to do research on Bush.

[serial-thrilla]

so seeing as how you would have to do reaserch on him to find out why you hate him then you dont know why you hate him to begin with. its just sort of a trend with non republican americans to naturally hate bush.

[nwshc]

Who cares. I have to read hundreds of posts each day and I don't have time to do research on Bush.
So then why do you hate him? Just because he is "there"?
Just because he takes up space?
Just because he is almighy ruler of America?
If you have no time to do research on him, then why do you have an opinion about him?

[nwshc]

you motherfucker... DO YOU WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHY HE KEPT READING TO THOSE CHILDREN? IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO SCARE THEM. HE DIDNT WANT THEM TO HAVE THE GODDAMN FEAR THEY THEY MIGHT GET FUCKING BLOWN UP BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE! I REMEBER HOW I FELT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. I WAS IN 5TH GRADE AND I WAS MORE SCARED THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. THAT SHOWS THE KIND OF MAN GEORGE W. BUSH IS. AND WHAT YOU SAID SHOWS THE KIND OF BASTARD YOU ARE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW FEAR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE YOU SON OF A BITCH!
Wow, calm your little ass down. noob

[kolte]

[quote]I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

Its his god given right to bitch about bush all he wants, fool.
Oh, next time, why don't you do some research of your own instead of just copying and pasteing CYRUS' ORIGINAL POST.
fool i did my own research fool. and that was my favorite piece. it just so fucking happens that cyrus had already posted it.

He visited it 3 days after it happend. what an ass. Of course when He got news that It happened he kept on reading a childrens book to the class he was visiting. you motherfucker... DO YOU WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHY HE KEPT READING TO THOSE CHILDREN? IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO SCARE THEM. HE DIDNT WANT THEM TO HAVE THE GODDAMN FEAR THEY THEY MIGHT GET FUCKING BLOWN UP BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE! I REMEBER HOW I FELT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. I WAS IN 5TH GRADE AND I WAS MORE SCARED THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. THAT SHOWS THE KIND OF MAN GEORGE W. BUSH IS. AND WHAT YOU SAID SHOWS THE KIND OF BASTARD YOU ARE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW FEAR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE YOU SON OF A BITCH!


I would rather you never, ever yell at me like that again. I am offended. But I will not bash you back. I can uderstand that he didnt want to scare them, but perhaps he could have put the bood down and said, I'm sorry, I've got to return to being president. It was nice talking to you all, I had a good time. i think that would have been better. Anywho, that really holds no bareing to my argument, And I don't think I have crossed your imaginary line. I have felt fear, fear you cannot imagine. I have not lived some fearless life full of bunnies and flowers. I have indured things nobody should have to. So don't start with me their. Don't attack my char. to prove you uneducated point. I'm tired of arguing with you really. You lack the respect that you should show to other peers. Its just absent. And it makes me sick.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Who cares. I have to read hundreds of posts each day and I don't have time to do research on Bush.

dont use the excuse that youre too busy to do research cuz ur on vt. every time you access this site you are on a COMPUTER that is connected to the INTERNET. thus everytime you connect to vt you are simultaneously connected to the largest database of knowledge of all time.

you have plenty of chances to learn about the government

[TheWizard]

Sorry, but my statement was an opinion.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

an opininion thats worthless because you admitted to backing it up with zero knowledge and zero factual evidence

[nwshc]

Wow.

Ok, if you had ANY common sence, you would know it would be damn near impposible to just take a vacation from running a country with the population of over 280 thousand plus people.

[kolte]

280 million n.n

[nwshc]

o, woops. lol. I thought i wrote million.

[nullandvoid123]

[quote]I do not think that bush is a good person because he had no reason for attacking Iraq, a democrocy. a democracy? haha! saddam hussain did not run a democracy. he ran a dictatorship. killing thousands of innocent people is not part of a democracy. stop telling other people to get their facts straight when you dont know your own.Ok, you must not get something. He is not narrow minded. All he is doing is supporting his argument.

Now what you could have done instead of bashing him and calling kolte narrow minded is you could have made a list of what bush has done good.
But you didn't. You just resort to namecalling.
That is narrowmindedness. for the last time, i was calling him narrow minded because all he ever talks about is what bush did wrong. i really don't think he's knows any of the many things bush has done right. and you want a list? here ya fuck'n go:

Its his god given right to bitch about bush all he wants, fool.
Oh, next time, why don't you do some research of your own instead of just copying and pasteing CYRUS' ORIGINAL POST.
fool i did my own research fool. and that was my favorite piece. it just so fucking happens that cyrus had already posted it.

He visited it 3 days after it happend. what an ass. Of course when He got news that It happened he kept on reading a childrens book to the class he was visiting. you motherfucker... DO YOU WANNA FUCKING KNOW WHY HE KEPT READING TO THOSE CHILDREN? IT WAS BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT TO SCARE THEM. HE DIDNT WANT THEM TO HAVE THE GODDAMN FEAR THEY THEY MIGHT GET FUCKING BLOWN UP BY A FUCKING AIRPLANE! I REMEBER HOW I FELT ON SEPTEMBER 11TH. I WAS IN 5TH GRADE AND I WAS MORE SCARED THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. THAT SHOWS THE KIND OF MAN GEORGE W. BUSH IS. AND WHAT YOU SAID SHOWS THE KIND OF BASTARD YOU ARE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW FEAR, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU JUST CROSSED THE LINE YOU SON OF A BITCH!


I would rather you never, ever yell at me like that again. I am offended. But I will not bash you back. I can uderstand that he didnt want to scare them, but perhaps he could have put the bood down and said, I'm sorry, I've got to return to being president. It was nice talking to you all, I had a good time. i think that would have been better. Anywho, that really holds no bareing to my argument, And I don't think I have crossed your imaginary line. I have felt fear, fear you cannot imagine. I have not lived some fearless life full of bunnies and flowers. I have indured things nobody should have to. So don't start with me their. Don't attack my char. to prove you uneducated point. I'm tired of arguing with you really. You lack the respect that you should show to other peers. Its just absent. And it makes me sick.
i am offended that you would act in that way towards what bush did. he did it for a reason. and it offends me that you could not see that. and you may have not crossed any lines with yourself, but you have crossed one with me, and you have no right to determine this. and you also don't have the right to tell me i have no respect when you have none of your own. on a side note, one thing we agree on is that we are sick of fighting over this.

[kevin]

Matt just let it be. If you don't care then why are you arguing it?

[Kiros]

Eh, Bush is fine... A good leader :)

[serial-thrilla]

Sorry, but my statement was an opinion. give me 5 reasons why you hate bush. and him sucking donkey dicks doesent count.

[kevin]

Sorry, but my statement was an opinion. give me 5 reasons why you hate bush. and him sucking donkey dicks doesent count.

no offence. but Look at the post above you? But you're only talking to josh, I know that josh did make it sound alot worse, but still it's teh same thing.

[Spifyrifical14]

My only reason for not liking him is because he doesnt understand that people should be able to love whoever they want, I wouldnt consider him a moron just a conservative which in my oppinion is synonimous with moron. Thus making him a moron by association.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Sorry, but my statement was an opinion. give me 5 reasons why you hate bush. and him sucking donkey dicks doesent count.

ya id really like to hear them

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

prove hes not. go on vacation with him and personally tell me hes a lazy shit. until then i dont believe you because you reallly have no idea

[nwshc]

^^^^ Proves nothing

[kolte]

that doesnt mean its bushes fault

[nwshc]

Well.......it shows how many people would go to illegal means to support him.....they are morons, and so are Bush.
um... NO
It just shows there was a glitch in the voting software. Not a giant conspiracy.

[Skhorpion]

Well.......it shows how many people would go to illegal means to support him.....they are morons, and so are Bush.

look dude, you have given us no evidence that says bush is a moron

either shut up or argue a valid point

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Not only is he lazy, but his supporters are crooks


Li'l Mismarker

Claim: A Texas woman who cast her vote for all Democratic candidates discovered her ballot marked for Bush/Cheney.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]


sounds like bullshit to me. once your vote is cast its cast, youll never see it again. how on earth did she get her ballot back after she cast it? that would be illegal. are you talking about electronic voting machines?

[serial-thrilla]

Well.......it shows how many people would go to illegal means to support him.....they are morons, and so are Bush. you graduate from yale with better marks then bush, then and only then will you have the right to call him a moron

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Well.......it shows how many people would go to illegal means to support him.....they are morons, and so are Bush. you graduate from yale with better marks then bush, then and only then will you have the right to call him a moron

well said

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Maybe I should try it......it's Bush after all, it couldn't be that hard

you say that as if the intelligence of bush determines how hard it is to exceed at yale college. ya, why dont u just "give it a shot" ;)

[Whisper]

Sure, I bet I could do better to run this country than that asshole, and I'm not joking one fucking bit.

and THAT right there is exactly why he lives in an important house {psst! its white!} and you don't!

You're waaaaaay to fuckin cocky

[Hi i am jon]

well i do think bush is a bad leader....smart...just his views are not even close to the best, but i think he is a better leader than any of us would be right this second, maybe in the future one of us could be the president or somthing like that....and be better than bush but all of us would do a horriable job.......

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Sure, I bet I could do better to run this country than that asshole, and I'm not joking one fucking bit.

and THAT right there is exactly why he lives in an important house {psst! its white!} and you don't!

You're waaaaaay to fuckin cocky

ya, that and your life is in complete shambles right now. you couldnt possibly run jack let alone a country

[nwshc]

If a donkey could run the country

Last time i checked, Bush was a homo sapien
not a Perissodactyla Equidae Equus asinus
DUH

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

just for the record i am a homo-leetsaucer

[nwshc]

please
you are a ornithorhynchus
anyone can see that

[redcar]

did u just call him a duck billed platypus?

[nwshc]

did u just call him a duck billed platypus?
haha, yes i did

[kolte]

did u just call him a duck billed platypus?
haha, yes i did

lmao

[Skhorpion]

lets let the donkey run your life for a year and study the results... positive results indicate the donkey would be good, negative and the donkey goes

[Skhorpion]

we may have began it by looking for weapons but we have brought democracy to a country that has experienced dicatatorship for a long time

why cant you be proud of your country in its time of need instead of bashing on it?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

U.S. Military Deaths Reach 2,000 in Iraq
Oct 25, 11:02 PM EDT
By ROBERT H. REID - Associated Press Writer


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of three more deaths, including an Army sergeant who died of wounds at a military hospital in Texas and two Marines killed last week in fighting west of Baghdad.

The 2,000 mark was reached amid growing doubts among the American public about the Iraq conflict, launched in March 2003 to destroy Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. None was ever found.

I didn't put the whole article, but I think this about says it all.......

dude if we invaded iraq to steal their cottage cheese id still wholeheartedly support the 2000 american deaths who were cast for other peoples freedom. i think its great what weve done for those peope and i feel honored to live in a country with such high goals of establishing happiness around the globe

[nwshc]

U.S. Military Deaths Reach 2,000 in Iraq
Oct 25, 11:02 PM EDT
By ROBERT H. REID - Associated Press Writer


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The American military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 Tuesday with the announcements of three more deaths, including an Army sergeant who died of wounds at a military hospital in Texas and two Marines killed last week in fighting west of Baghdad.

The 2,000 mark was reached amid growing doubts among the American public about the Iraq conflict, launched in March 2003 to destroy Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction. None was ever found.



I didn't put the whole article, but I think this about says it all.......omg, ITS WAR! GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS!
Damn. What do you expect, war is when we dance in a feild of tulips?!

Look at this:

Within 24 Minutes 2000 people will die in the world.
In one day 120,000 people die in the world
roughly, we have been in iraq since 2003 (2 1/2 years)
Since then, 2,000 soldiers have died.
In 2 1/2 years time 108,000,000 have died in the world.
I would say 2000 soldiers in 2 1/2 years is a good number, dont you?

[redcar]

Look at this:

Within 24 Minutes 2000 people will die in the world.
In one day 120,000 people die in the world
roughly, we have been in iraq since 2003 (2 1/2 years)
Since then, 2,000 soldiers have died.
In 2 1/2 years time 108,000,000 have died in the world.
I would say 2000 soldiers in 2 1/2 years is a good number, dont you?


in all due respect all those people who die are down to natural causes or other things taht are out of our control. its the natural the thing to happen in most cases however that extra 2000 soldiers there is unnatural they shouldnt have been killed because they should not have been put there in the first place, and i certainly wouldnt call it a good number and i ask you not to be so blase about death.

[kolte]

Yes, I understand that on a massive scale the deaths arent noticed. But those peoples lives were cut short. And I know this is gonna sound horrid. very VERY horrid. but I hope suddam hussian gets off. It set free, the trial just lets him go and the government falles back into his hands, and the people praise him. That would shut america up. knowing that all those people died for no reason. I would laugh, on into the night. hole heartedly if he is set free.

[nwshc]

in all due respect all those people who die are down to natural causes or other things taht are out of our control..
You don't know that. They could have been trampled by a zebra, run over by a bus, or killed themselves.
its the natural the thing to happen in most cases however that extra 2000 soldiers there is unnatural they shouldnt have been killed because they should not have been put there in the first place,
O, lets get rid of guns, because they have cut many peoples lives short that dont deserve to die. O, lets ban cars and motorcycles and airplanes because they cut people down in their prime when they dont deserve it.
and i certainly wouldnt call it a good number and i ask you not to be so blase about death.
It is a good number.

[nwshc]

I hope suddam hussian gets off
huma...huma...huma... :O

[redcar]

its the natural the thing to happen in most cases however that extra 2000 soldiers there is unnatural they shouldnt have been killed because they should not have been put there in the first place,
O, lets get rid of guns, because they have cut many peoples lives short that dont deserve to die. O, lets ban cars and motorcycles and airplanes because they cut people down in their prime when they dont deserve it.
and i certainly wouldnt call it a good number and i ask you not to be so blase about death.
It is a good number.

ok firstly where did i say get rid of guns? i dont remember saying anything of the such. what i was saying is that the us army should not have been in iraq at all it was none of their business and did not have the backing of the un, therefore illegal. tahts what i mean when i say it was unnatural.

and 2000 is not a good number of dead people, 1000 is not a good number, 500 is not a good number, 10 is not a good number the only good number is 0. i am sure that the familes who went through the pain and suffering of loosing a close family member would also disagree with you saying 2000 is a good number.

[nwshc]

did not have the backing of the un, therefore illegal.
What does the UN know? They are powerless, and useless.

and 2000 is not a good number of dead people, 1000 is not a good number, 500 is not a good number, 10 is not a good number the only good number is 0. i am sure that the familes who went through the pain and suffering of loosing a close family member would also disagree with you saying 2000 is a good number.
They would also be damn proud of their son for fighting for their county.
over 2 1/2 years, 2000 casualties is a good number.

[serial-thrilla]

did not have the backing of the un, therefore illegal.
What does the UN know? They are powerless, and useless.

and 2000 is not a good number of dead people, 1000 is not a good number, 500 is not a good number, 10 is not a good number the only good number is 0. i am sure that the familes who went through the pain and suffering of loosing a close family member would also disagree with you saying 2000 is a good number.
They would also be damn proud of their son for fighting for their county.
over 2 1/2 years, 2000 casualties is a good number. i would be damn pissed off if my son died in same stupid ass war.

[redcar]

What does the UN know? They are powerless, and useless.

they are an organisation to help protect the common good, if you remember your history they were set up to prevent another world war. so if all memeber countries tried to resolve their differences through it things will be fine.


They would also be damn proud of their son for fighting for their county.
over 2 1/2 years, 2000 casualties is a good number.

no they are not casualties they are fatalities. casualities are completly different. proud? whether they are proud or not is beside the point i am trying to tell you that being blase like you are about death is not a nice thing, if someone verty close to you died there i am sure you wouldnt be so blase.

[kevin]

It's quite odd, almost amusing to see everyone get worked up over this over and over again. Is this why alot of republicans hate democrats? Becuase that's becoming a pattern here. You seriously gonna mess up a friendship over who they support in the US government. We all need to understand that everyone thinks differently. Now debate, don't fight.

[nwshc]

It's quite odd, almost amusing to see everyone get worked up over this over and over again. Is this why alot of republicans hate democrats? Becuase that's becoming a pattern here. You seriously gonna mess up a friendship over who they support in the US government. We all need to understand that everyone thinks differently. Now debate, don't fight.
I do not see that. I do not keep grudges. Anything I say here, or what I have said twards me I do not take personaly. I hope no one else does either.

[redcar]

i certainly dont take anything personally and i think u wud be stupid if u did.

[nwshc]

What does the UN know? They are powerless, and useless.

they are an organisation to help protect the common good, if you remember your history they were set up to prevent another world war. so if all memeber countries tried to resolve their differences through it things will be fine.
Yes, I know all of that.


wshc"]They would also be damn proud of their son for fighting for their county.
over 2 1/2 years, 2000 casualties is a good number.

no they are not casualties they are fatalities. casualities are completly different. proud? whether they are proud or not is beside the point i am trying to tell you that being blase like you are about death is not a nice thing, if someone verty close to you died there i am sure you wouldnt be so blase.[/quote]
Death is life. Whether you die now or in 20 years, you still die. If Someone in my family died, sure I would be sad, but I would realize, thats just the way it is.

[kolte]

I don't think so nick. you say that now. but when sombody really does die. you change

[nwshc]

I don't think so nick. you say that now. but when sombody really does die. you change
I think so. I have gone through 2 deaths, and I still think that.

[serial-thrilla]

yeah but 2 deaths is nothing compared to 2000 lives of young men WASTED over some pointless war.

[nwshc]

yeah but 2 deaths is nothing compared to 2000 lives of young men WASTED over some pointless war.

What about all the lives wasted when perfectly good men were killed when terrorist slice their throats, and killed in car bombs, etc.

[serial-thrilla]

yeah that sucks too.

[kolte]

yeah but when you loose a parent or a brother. thats the worst thing in the world. or when your best friend in the whole wolrd is stripped you, you will know real pain.

[Skhorpion]

9/11 yielded over 2700 deaths and was caused by terrorist activity

in 2.5 years there have been 2000 deaths to stop the 2700 from happening again

theres no telling how many people have died from saddam not liking them and having them executed

i say the war is for a good cause and in the end will turn out as a good cause

[kolte]

what did saddam do to the us though.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

any parent who gets mad at the government for losing their child is a selfish prick because their own sons and daughters put their lives on the line on purpose. if the people in the army itself dont think its a pointless war, than it means absolutely nothing that you do because you claim to be fighting in their name

[nwshc]

what did saddam do to the us though.
Nothing, but what did he to do his own people, and what did the terror camps he had in his country lead to?

[nwshc]

I would say 2000 soldiers in 2 1/2 years is a good number, dont you?

NO, one soldier is ONE TOO FUCKING MANY!
No, its not.

[serial-thrilla]

any parent who gets mad at the government for losing their child is a selfish prick because their own sons and daughters put their lives on the line on purpose. if the people in the army itself dont think its a pointless war, than it means absolutely nothing that you do because you claim to be fighting in their name i guess thats true if people want to go fight for a pointless war and risk getting killed who am i to say they cant?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

youre talking about almost every single person in the armed forces. they are committing their lives to die for whatever reason the united states sees necessary. theyve made that commitment already. its pathetic when people who havent made that commitment try to protest in the name of people that have

[redcar]

what did saddam do to the us though.
Nothing, but what did he to do his own people,

but the usa and britain should not have interferred, it is none of their business. why dont they go in and overthrow robert mugabe who has basically destroyed zimbabwe or the likes of Kim Jong-il teh list goes on.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I HOPE WE DO.

i think we should just send in like 1 tank and flatten all of the government forces in zimbabwi (how the fuck do u spell that?) with it.

NEWSFLASH: "American tank flattens country"

ya that would be pretty cool

[redcar]

but thats not how you do things in this world. and its spelt zimbabwe. you cant go around deciding we dont like this so we will change it to our line of thinking. the people of the country when they finally have had enough will then decide time to take action, and dont tell me that will never happen. the usa was once under british rule but you decided enough was enough and kicked them out as did we. its when they decide to change things should outsiders offer help. but not before.

[nwshc]

what did saddam do to the us though.
Nothing, but what did he to do his own people,

but the usa and britain should not have interferred, it is none of their business.
So should America and Britian have minded their own buisness and let Hitler go on his mary way doing what he was doing?
NO

[kevin]

what did saddam do to the us though.
Nothing, but what did he to do his own people,

but the usa and britain should not have interferred, it is none of their business.
So should America and Britian have minded their own buisness and let Hitler go on his mary way doing what he was doing?
NO

Sadaam husein (spellings no barrier for me bitch :cool: haha, I think I spelt it wrong) wasn't excactly killing 9,000,000 people in the means of a decade. Yes he was horrible to his people but that's quite common in the middle east, people are fucking killing eachother over there, and none of the sides want to stop, so now we're joined in this fight and we don't know when it'll end.


Matt, that's very blunt. You'd actually do that, even if it's not your country and your hurting people? You'd really want to do that?

[redcar]

what did saddam do to the us though.
Nothing, but what did he to do his own people,

but the usa and britain should not have interferred, it is none of their business.
So should America and Britian have minded their own buisness and let Hitler go on his mary way doing what he was doing?
NO


hitler invaded several countries saddam did not also if u remember your history the usa was only brought into WWII because they were bomber at pearl harbour.

[nwshc]

If I recall wasnt it Saddam who invaded kuaite for no apparent reason? O, and didn't Saddam want to be the ultimate ruler of the middle east?
Naw, doesn't sound like hitler at all.

[nwshc]

ok, h/o

Im getting some precondition failed message and for some god damn reason i cant post the rest of my statment :/

[Elokyn]

Okay, well I'm not a very pro-bush person...I never liked him much..but to be in his situation has to be hard...when you're good everything is fine but when you mess up or something goes wrong your flaws are magnified by like a fwillion. I'm sure he's not as bad as I like to think that he is..but he's certainly not as good as he could be either.

[redcar]

If I recall wasnt it Saddam who invaded kuaite for no apparent reason? O, and didn't Saddam want to be the ultimate ruler of the middle east?
Naw, doesn't sound like hitler at all.

yes he did invade kuwait and the usa sorted that problem out, last decade. but the latest invasion was uncalled for, george bush was only finishing what his father before him failed to do.