Gay and God

[MattHutzell]

Sup? I been thinking lately. I'm gay, but it says in the Bible that God damns Gay/Bi ppl to hell. Not those exact words but ya get tha point. But it also says God loves all people. All of his children. I have read up on the internet. Some people say they don't believe God could damn someone to hell for eternity for being gay, which is what I agree with, but then some say were screwed. :( I'm not afraid to die, I'm worried about it. I truly honestly believe God couldn't do that, not just cuz I'm gay. :confused:

[Rutherford The Brave]

First of this should not be in puberty 101. Ok well God doesnt exist, you see because its impossible. Theres no spontanious generation, so the world couldn't have come to be and he himself could have. Thats my theory, all that stuff was made up by the catholic church just because they think they are all high and mighty.

[Sugaree]

I think that it's mainly because people find it that some life bond should only be between and man and a woman because that's how it all started.

Now you see that women can marry other women and men can marry other men. Now to some it seems that the sacred event of marriage is being somewhat ruined. Now, I don't think that. People can't tell you who you love. If a man loves another man then they should have every single right to be married. Why? Because as stated above, people can't tell you who to love. Even if the person is dirt poor and you're the richest of all the people it doesn't matter.

My Grandma however, is strongly against gay marriage because she says, and I quote, "Because the church says it's wrong and we have to believe what we say." Now that is a strong quote, but it shouldn't hold you back from doing what you think is right.

[The Resurrected One]

First of this should not be in puberty 101. Ok well God doesnt exist, you see because its impossible. Theres no spontanious generation, so the world couldn't have come to be and he himself could have. Thats my theory, all that stuff was made up by the catholic church just because they think they are all high and mighty.

I agree.

I don't really care about anything the Bible says, but how can who you love be a sin? It's stupid! The only people who should go to "hell" (if it really does exist, which I highly doubt) are the actual bad people. If you don't know what I mean, then too bad. You should. People like Fred Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps) are so misinformed by a little book called the Bible that it's just awful. If God exists, he shouldn't hate anyone who isn't truly a bad person. Those who believe all the sins and the stuff mentioned in the Bible, are seriously misinformed. Fred Phelps says "God Hates Fags", and "Fags Burn in Hell". So tell me this, gay people go to hell, but in the events such as hate crimes, the killers do not? That's just wrong. Gay people should only go to hell if they are a bad person or a serious criminal (like I mentioned above), and not for the sole fact that they are gay. Who even wrote the Bible? And how do they know about what God says? You think they met God or talked to God before or something like that? I don't think so. I'm not telling everyone to turn Atheist and not believe in God or anything, but just don't believe what other people tell you about him, but instead, believe what you feel is the truth.


I suck at debating. I don't even know why I just made this post.

[jma94]

KGTM, That's just his belief that god exists. Anyway, think about it. Stories tell us that the bible was written by man. Not god. There is a quote supposedly said by God that "All love is pure, and is born from me" or something like that. If he did say that, then it just goes to show even more that the bible was written by man, not god. Either way, I'm not personally religious, and don't believe I'm going to be damned to hell for being bi. Lol, Even so, if someone started quoting the bible, I'd win. =D

So if the bible wasn't written by God himself, how do we know that all in there is true? :3

[Rutherford The Brave]

KGTM, That's just his belief that god exists. Anyway, think about it. Stories tell us that the bible was written by man. Not god. There is a quote supposedly said by God that "All love is pure, and is born from me" or something like that. If he did say that, then it just goes to show even more that the bible was written by man, not god. Either way, I'm not personally religious, and don't believe I'm going to be damned to hell for being bi. Lol, Even so, if someone started quoting the bible, I'd win. =D

So if the bible wasn't written by God himself, how do we know that all in there is true? :3

Don't shoot me down I was simply stating my theory. He can believe in God its his right, still you have to be a logical here.

[MattHutzell]

Wow.. obviously I shouldn't have posted this at all. I didnt ask for your opinions on God himself. I never once asked you to try to tell me if he exists. If this is all the thread is going to bring, can a mod close it? And delete it please? Thanks.

[Serenity]

Moved to ROTW

[Maverick]

Wow.. obviously I shouldn't have posted this at all. I didnt ask for your opinions on God himself. I never once asked you to try to tell me if he exists. If this is all the thread is going to bring, can a mod close it? And delete it please? Thanks.
Let's give this thread a chance before rushing to close it, if that's alright with you.

Everyone let's keep on topic and not debate whether God exists or not.

Dellobob, gays aren't damned to hell. A sin is a sin and being gay doesn't mean that you are definitely going to hell. Everyone sins and a particular one isn't worst than another.

[redcar]

...it says in the Bible that God damns Gay/Bi ppl to hell. Not those exact words but ya get tha point.

To me you just answered it there. The bible is like any other document open to interpretation.

There are many contradictions within it. Like the bible does not explicitily say God hates gays. It does however go around it and say something in along the lines of it. But yet it also says God loves His people. So what do you accept?

But the whole Gay and God debate I think comes down to everyones personally beliefs and view of God. Is He a vengeful God or is He a God who loves everyone?

[MattHutzell]

Ya I know but it's still a sin and it is a sin that isn't just washed away because it is how I feel every day. I cannot help how I feel and I dont want to. And please, call me Matt. Dellobob is my cat. Damn today turnin out to be shitty...


But the whole Gay and God debate I think comes down to everyones personally beliefs and view of God. Is He a vengeful God or is He a God who loves everyone?

That is how I would LOVE to look at it but it doesn't really matter what WE think. It's what God thinks. And I personally believe that He is a God who loves everyone but... idk... it doesn't make sense....

Please refrain from double posting. -Neptune

[redcar]

That is how I would LOVE to look at it but it doesn't really matter what WE think. It's what God thinks. And I personally believe that He is a God who loves everyone but... idk... it doesn't make sense....
But how do you know what God thinks? We down here can only interpret and TRY and understand His will and wants for us.

You need to do what I do. Ignore what everyone else says and just look in your heart and then come to your own decision on what He wants.

[MattHutzell]

But how do you know what God thinks? We down here can only interpret and TRY and understand His will and wants for us.

You need to do what I do. Ignore what everyone else says and just look in your heart and then come to your own decision on what He wants.

I think that, in the end, that is all we truly CAN do. I don't know. I know I still have Faith in God. I always will. Just some things seem about outta wack at times, ya know?

[redcar]

I think that, in the end, that is all we truly CAN do. I don't know. I know I still have Faith in God. I always will. Just some things seem about outta wack at times, ya know?
They seem that way because you are listening to what others are saying.

Faith is personal, one should never be influenced by others and discover their own, or lack of, themselves.

[MattHutzell]

They seem that way because you are listening to what others are saying.

Faith is personal, one should never be influenced by others and discover their own, or lack of, themselves.

That makes... so much sense. :) Thanks man! :)

[Camazotz]

Alex summed it up perfectly. We dont know what God wants of us, but you have to look into your heart and wonder, "Does God really damn gays to Hell, or does he love all of his children?"

And if you want my opinion, God loves all his children. Why would He create gays if he was going to damn them to Hell?

[Atonement]

Wow, I dont know how many times I have said this. Not once does the Bible says it HATES gay people. The people says God dislikes the act of gay SEX. As for homosexuality, it is not a sin and even if it was, it would be no worse than lying and people aren't sent to hell for lying. God loves everyone but doesn't always agree with their actions.

[MattHutzell]

Wow, I dont know how many times I have said this. Not once does the Bible says it HATES gay people. The people says God dislikes the act of gay SEX. As for homosexuality, it is not a sin and even if it was, it would be no worse than lying and people aren't sent to hell for lying. God loves everyone but doesn't always agree with their actions.

Hey dont yell at me I never saw you say it O.O lol

[Mannequin]

i don't really know. notice it's only the shunned minorities or the timid believer who believe in open interpretation. if god is indeed real, ill be burning in hell if i act upon homosexuality. i believe that god gave us these handicaps (homosexuality, pedophilia, etc.) to see if we would act on them. are we, as followers, selfish enough to ignore god and fulfill our own happiness and perverted lust? god made everyone different and everyone has to fight something. the real key is to focus our energy onto him and not give excuses as to make our situation/handicap seem normal. because its not. at all. i find myself disgusting and 100% of the gay population immoral....

[confusedboy]

(Sorry there's tooo many posts above so if I repeat something...)

The Bible says sex is between a men and women. So you should be straight but if your not then o well, God will still love you. If you believe in him as your Savior then I think you'll go to heaven.

Try talk to your prest, pastor, etc.

[Blaze98]

Not those exact words but ya get tha point.
Exactly. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, it says:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Effeminate, back then, were men who stayed at home, didn't work, and took care of the children. Not men who liked men.

[MattHutzell]

Yes I know. But honestly, I'm sticking with what I believe. I know some people have different looks on the Bible and God's thinking on that. But none of us can properly interperet God's words. No matter what proof we have or anything like that cause the only way we know, is by dieing and by then it's too late to change anything. I appreciate the other posts, but now I would like this closed. I'm satisfied with what I have already read. :)

[japanman]

bah i dont bielive in the bible the bible wasnt made to bielive it was made to teach morals now you dont have to folow those morals.

And also i bieleve god did not create humans he created the unverse wich then made the earth wich then made us. Of course he watches us but he cant help because we will get dependent on him and if he doesnt help us we go against him.

Just like god said in futerama god gives a little push and thats it.


So anyways back to the point goddid not creat us directly thus leting us be wat ever we want Be it gay or bi you straight.
and just like bender said: if you dont help ppl no one will.

[BornActor]

Sup? I been thinking lately. I'm gay, but it says in the Bible that God damns Gay/Bi ppl to hell. Not those exact words but ya get tha point. But it also says God loves all people. All of his children. I have read up on the internet. Some people say they don't believe God could damn someone to hell for eternity for being gay, which is what I agree with, but then some say were screwed. :( I'm not afraid to die, I'm worried about it. I truly honestly believe God couldn't do that, not just cuz I'm gay. :confused:

Bible.com says something about this you might want to read the article. But I have the same beliefs as you (I think). If you accept Jesus Christ as your savior then you go to heaven. If you don't then you go to hell. Unless you're catholic, which I think believes that if you sin you go to hell or something. But I'm nondenominational so I woldn't know

[MattHutzell]

If you accept Jesus Christ as your savior then you go to heaven. If you don't then you go to hell.

Yup. And ppl are still disagreeing and throwing other ideas out there but that is what THEY believe, adn that is what I believe! :)

[The Resurrected One]

If you accept Jesus Christ as your savior then you go to heaven. If you don't then you go to hell.

I don't believe in any of that. I completely disagree with that. Does that mean I go to Hell?

I say no. I don't believe anything that book says. Who knows who wrote it. And who knows what connection they had with God.

[Rutherford The Brave]

*my opinion; Excuse my language as well

Its a book, it can't tell you that your going to some imaginary place, where you will be with some imaginary guy. These people where righting this book and exaggerating things because they were a people of their faith, writing about their faith in the context of their faith. I'm not trying bash anyone but I simply cannot believe in a devine being.

[robbiehay1]

in the bible it does not say anywere that if you do something wrong that you are going to hell

God made us in his image, why would he create something he does not like ?

[Whisper]

The new testament god won't care
The old testament one was an ass in general so we wrote a new book


Be yourself
Whatever that may be
Live life to the fullest
Be happy
Be kind

And you'll be fine
Just don't try and live a lie for your entire life because it will eat you alive
and THIS will turn into hell
and thats not worth it mate

[ShatteredWings]

my point of view

bible says eye for eye

but they also say to not fight back


contradiction, no?

It can be twisted to say just about anything, and i don't think there's any part that ACTUALLY condems you if you have same-sex intercourse (lets face it, everone has some attraction to the same gender, even if you woudn't go out with them)


also, i like cody's reasoning, why would god (assuming he exists for the purpose of this argument) create something he hates compleatly?

[krystalm]

that's why i'm agnostic, simply because i cannot believe in a god who made us gay/bi/omnio/pan/ and then damn us too hell. besides i don't believe in hell, because i believe whatever it is up there gave us entire free will, and love us so much and he'd rather us be ourselves and challenge things then give him blind obedience and all be clones of each other =) and because he loves u he would never want to spend an eternity away from us.

[Mannequin]

haha there is a big flaw in the "gay is ok" argument. god made pedophiles and sadistic serial killers the way they are. is it ok for them to rape kids or kill innocent people? i dont think so. yet i bet there desires are just as strong as us gay people. but would society have any pity on them? would YOU have any pity on them? of course not. would even God himself who created them? who knows.

[Whisper]

Two consenting adults is different than an adult taking advantage of a child
I've been down that road Austin

As far as serial killers
I dont see the connection between a serial killer and a gay man/woman?

[shikachunin]

Sup? I been thinking lately. I'm gay, but it says in the Bible that God damns Gay/Bi ppl to hell. Not those exact words but ya get tha point. But it also says God loves all people. All of his children. I have read up on the internet. Some people say they don't believe God could damn someone to hell for eternity for being gay, which is what I agree with, but then some say were screwed. :( I'm not afraid to die, I'm worried about it. I truly honestly believe God couldn't do that, not just cuz I'm gay. :confused:

I am also gay, and I support you in believing that god wouldn't do that becaise you are gay/bi. he loves us all, and wouldn't do that to us!

[Atonement]

I found an interesting verse that when you really look into and think about, justifies that even if gay people are sinning by having sex, you should not feel condemned for it is freedom.

But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear ; do not be frightened."
Take Courage

1 Peter 3:14

[japanman]

I knew there had to be something like that in the bible, I havent even gotten that far in

[Mannequin]

Two consenting adults is different than an adult taking advantage of a child
I've been down that road Austin

As far as serial killers
I dont see the connection between a serial killer and a gay man/woman?

oh, i am aware. pedophilia is a whole different sexuality (if i can even call it that). i can guarantee you that their own desire to having a sexual relationship with a kid is just as strong as a man to a woman. we have no idea how much they struggle. imagine it being socially unacceptable for you to develope a relationship or have intercourse with a female.

and serial killers are a different scenario. they obviously have dementia and cannot control themselves. yet, we treat them as though they can...unlike gays in the new millennium.

how cliche is it to use this very true quote "will god judge me for loving, or you for judging?"

[MattHutzell]

Ya know, I started this thread, and I have subscription to it, but I didn't feel the need to reply till I realized SOMEHOW we got to the subject of pedophilia? How the hell did that happen? lol

[Mannequin]

you're stupid and did not read the page.

[MattHutzell]

you're stupid and did not read the page.

And your a douche. And NO, I didn't read the thread. However, pedophilia is not on topic. If you wanna discuss that, why dont you make a thread for it?

[redcar]

you're stupid and did not read the page.

And your a douche. And NO, I didn't read the thread. However, pedophilia is not on topic. If you wanna discuss that, why dont you make a thread for it?

Hey. Can we keep this civil at least?

I won't ask again.

[MattHutzell]

Sorry :(

[Antares]

Whoa.

but now I would like this closed

I think that he got his answer.

Upon request

Thread :locked:

[redcar]

I like this topic and think as a debate it should remain open.

[george]

Lol Alex would be the awesome judge to say, "Over-ruled" lol

[Mannequin]

And your a douche. And NO, I didn't read the thread. However, pedophilia is not on topic. If you wanna discuss that, why dont you make a thread for it?

This is a debate forum. You did not read anyone else's thoughts or ideas. You even admitted to it (haha). How do YOU even debate? People, like me, often use real life comparisons to bring their views across. Often topics are not just black and white and one must use further rationale to get across various viewpoints. I'm not a douche, you're just young and must learn. :)

P.S. Why do mods always lock heated threads? If they weren't fun, no one would post in them. tehe.

[redcar]

This is a debate forum. You did not read anyone else's thoughts or ideas. You even admitted to it (haha). How do YOU even debate? People, like me, often use real life comparisons to bring their views across. Often topics are not just black and white and one must use further rationale to get across various viewpoints. I'm not a douche, you're just young and must learn. :)

P.S. Why do mods always lock heated threads? If they weren't fun, no one would post in them. tehe.
Austin I hate being ignored so for the last time... get back on topic or shut up.

[Antares]

P.S. Why do mods always lock heated threads? If they weren't fun, no one would post in them. tehe.

Its because people are immature and can't have a decent conversation without doing something like you have done a few times in this thread.

Anyways okay my opinion is that I think god should forgive everyone. I mean you pray for him to forgive your sins. Eventhough people sin like all the time. And also it seems like people sin knowing that they can and will be forgiven. So yeah thats my theory. I think religion is not really doing anyhting bad to gays. I have never seen one passage that says "Thou shalt not be homosexual" or something. So that is my thoughts on this whole thing.
Also, if god created us and everyone on this earth then why did he create gay people. I mean I think that people are born gay and not molded gay. So why would he create something when it is "bad". That kinda couteracts his whole...process I guess. Does anyone know what I mean? Im having issues getting it out.

[george]

Yea, I get what your saying and I could see how that makes sense, though, theres always that saying that people make mistakes. :D

[MattHutzell]

ya i can see what ou mean. but then there are rhose ppl who dont believe ppl were born gay. the hard part for me is lookin at it from every point of view. like not just from being a gay christian. also from people who arent christian or who arnt gay and stuff. then i try to mold it all together for one final answer. which can sometimes be a challenge. srry for any typos im on my cell