A question for the Athiests and Agnostics.

[The Batman]

I will start off by saying this is not an attack this is just something that has been puzzling my mind for awhile. In this forum we have our share of religous debates and it seems to me that most of the threads arew started by those mentioned in the title. If you don't believe in god why make a thread about it? I don't believe in illegal drug use and you don't see me making a thread about it. Another thing is why does it seem as if most of the time you are attacking religion? I could start on a rant and say your going to hell but I won't because A. I don't care and 2. I don't know that and I'm not the judge plus the bible says not to judge. As stated before this is not an attack just pure curiosity. (If I spelled anything wrong please let ne know cause I'm on my phone and there is no spell check.)

[Mzor203]

I have personally never made a thread about other religious views... When I take part in them I do simply because religion has caused so many wars in the past,and stupid things like 9/11. There's no point in it, when there's really no way to tell there's a God, and if there is he obviously doesn't want to be known otherwise he would show himself, so why? If we all just went through life with some laid out morals and no beliefs like this, that would cut out one source of wars and other suffering.

Feel free to refute me, but I'm not checking back on this thread because I know I'm going to get some interesting responses, and I'll feel obliged to answer.

[Zephyr]

I've never made a thread bashing Christianity or any other religion.
As far as I know, it was mostly Layne making those threads and he's never on anymore.
I imagine that people make those threads out of needing to get it off of their chest,
Because we, as a minority, get a lot of crap from the majority in real life and on occasion on the internet.
Not saying that we get crap on here, because I never have, but on other websites, such as MySpace or Facebook, yes.
As I've tried saying in those threads from time to time,
The things that the Bible has to teach are good life lessons,
It's just the idea of a superior being that turns me off to religion as it does for the majority of Athiests.

[Antares]

WOW.
Okay. Well before I get all ranty lets just start here.
You have been snooping around the A&A Social group! lol jk i have no problem witht aht.

Number 1, I think most of us that are Agnostic are trying to figure out what really is out there. The athiests are also puzzled by why religious people actually believe in a thing that is supposed to be supreme guy over the universe but then scientifically you have toehr things said. Its soo confuzzling because it doesnt make any sense. Althoguht we prove things in science...but how do we prove that god exists? Yeah, we believe that god exists, not know. (Thats my opinion)

Number 2, The reason that we "attack" religion (and we dont mean to do that, but I know for a fact that it may seen like that) is because its soo weird! Okay, so like I said above its just so contradictary (imo) and if you look at the details and even the big picture, at least to me its like Santa Clause. We are taught to believe that it exists but we all know it doesnt. By facts. Scientifically proven facts. So when I am talking about reliugion that is what I usually talk about. It just doesn't make any damn sense. :P

Number 3, I think we are curious on both sides here. I am curious to know why you guys believe in the things you do yet you look at the scientific facts and don't really agree with them I guess. Idk its all weirdness and I am ultra facinated.

[0=]

I don't see the point in bothering people about their religion. It's stupid and arrogant for anyone to claim they have all the answers.

[SirRawrsalot]

My opinion has basically been said, but I just what to point out that all of you who mentioned God said it as if God was a male. And if you don't know that God even exists how can you know a gender? I always think that's interesting. lol I think I'm a little too feminist for my own good...

[Techno Monster]

I tend to stay away for all the religious debates on VT, but I think that religion is religion, I believe that what is there is there so don't question it. I don't know if there is a "God", or not. But I do know that in this world, there are trees, sky, life and water, I believe in those things because they are here without question.

[The Batman]

OK I get it and yea it was mainly Layne. I'm going to just post alittle cause I'm on my cell but I'll come edit it or add a new reply later. You say that religion brings nothing but war to the world well your wrong because religion didn't start it people did they just used religion as an excuse in fact the bible speaks about not fighting (I'll quote later). Another thing is God is already showing himself, haven't you heard the expression "God is in the details," I'm going to stop right here cause my battery is about to die but I'm still not done.

[MoveAlong]

I personally do attack those who are religious because many of them do judge others and get wayy too into our business and I challange that if you're so behind your beliefs, why don't you practice them and treat other people right?

[serial-thrilla]

religion deserves to be attacked, it is the main cause of death and hate. Think about how much better of a world it would be if we werent seperated by different beliefs. Just look at the middle east.

[Underground_Network]

religion deserves to be attacked, it is the main cause of death and hate. Think about how much better of a world it would be if we werent seperated by different beliefs. Just look at the middle east.

VERY VERY TRUE, BUT...

On a forum there is no need to bash OTHER religions. Bashing the idea of "religion" altogether seems "okay" to me, as in, its not as bad as bashing a specific religion, but it still might not be taken well. I do agree that most conflicts are religious, and that something such as Armageddon is a possibility [in a sense], but I don't believe that on this forum we need to go around saying "your religion caused this" or "your religions sucks because", etc... Also, I am not atheist, agnostic, Jewish, Christian, Satanic, Pastafarianist, etc... I don't care for religion, I don't care for not believing. I think that there is what there is, if there is more, there is more, but I feel worshiping something that may or may not exist is pointless. Why not worship what we have? Food, shelter, clothing, etc. Why worship a "higher power"? The only higher power I know of are computers, and if you feel like worshiping computers, have a grand old time.

I don't know where this has headed really, but basically, religious tension has caused lots and lots of deaths [don't only look at the Middle East, look at Darfur and the majority of African conflicts too], and yeah, religion definitely has its MAJOR downsides, but it has its upsides too... I think we all need faith, and we all need to be "religious" to an extent, but we don't have to take religion super seriously. We don't have to fight pointless wars over having different religions, if only all religions preached religious tolerance, and if only most people weren't so fucking ignorant and arrogant, the world would be a better place. I'm not saying the concept of religion is a bad idea, I'm just saying that the religions we have now need to be fixed, or we at least need to have people interpret them differently.

Rant ftw. 0.o

[kolte]

I hate religion. It's a societal crutch, an opiate, and the blame of many unnecessary wars and conflicts. Its a tool used to keep people docile conformists. I think religion is detrimental to all aspects of society. I think the morality of Christianity is ignorant, presumptuous, judgmental, and leads to distorted, irreversibly augmented perceptions. It's my own moral obligation to try and help my fellow shackled comrades escape their slavery.

[Oblivion]

I'm fully agnostic, but i don't make threads about it. I'm know some people make threads about illegal drug use, but not everyone (like you). I also know some people make threads about god not being real, but not everyone (like me). I think its unfair to ask why we are always attacking others because most people don't. You say you don't judge, but you just did in your thread.

[theOperaGhost]

It's human nature to judge, so that's why EVERYONE (agnostic, religious, atheist) EVERYONE seems to judge the other people of different beliefs. I'm religious, but that's just my beliefs. Agnostics/atheist could be just as correct as religious people are, because there is NO evidence of God's existence and many other things associated with religion. They have their beliefs, and so do I. Hell, for all we know, none of us could be right. The way I feel, there is no explanation, scientific or religious, that explains creation and many other aspects to life and death or existence.

Even though I am somewhat religious, I think that religion has been a direct cause to many of histories wars. I also feel that maybe the world would be better if there weren't different religions and beliefs, however that would make for a more boring life. I don't feel that there is any solution though. There would be no way to get EVERYONE in the world to agree on one thing.

That's my rant.

[The Batman]

Now I'm home. Ok first of all I'm not judging I'm simply asking a question and I wasn't saying anyone was attacking religion I was just asking why make threads about it if you don't care. I understand why you guys are saying religion is causing wars and problems but it pretty much isn't its just assholes with power who use religion to fuel their wars. And also I don't believe that the world would be better without religion just like I don't believe the world would be better without athiesm. Think about it without atheism we wouldn't have a lot of the advances in science and medicine that we have today, but without religion we wouldn't have all as much of the moral principles that we follow today.

[Mzor203]

But without religion we wouldn't have all as much of the moral principles that we follow today.


What?!?!? Come on, you have got to be kidding me. Just because there are no religions doesn't mean there are no moral values. I mean, cats pretty obviously are not religious, and they are kind, caring creatures much of the time.

I was raised in one of the crappiest environments that you could live in when you were young. I lived through all kinds of junk in my life with absolutely no exposure to religion or anything like that. It wasn't much later until I was 8 or 9 that things really settled down and we focused more on being good people.

And ya know what? I am usually one of the nicest people there are. I was never taught morals, they simply came to me. Absolutely no religion involved. The first time I heard th word 'God' was when I was around 7, and I thought, 'what the hell is that?'

Humans have the instinct to help each other out, we had packs or groups or whatever, and we were programmed to further our species and help each other. Morals were around before language was, in a way.

I know I said I wouldn't come back here, but I couldn't resist.

[The Batman]

Survival is the only instinct that humans and animals have that is even close to any kind of kindness. If you go to a tribe out in south africa you'll see how they'll turn on each other in a minute if it meant that they would live a while longer. The only reason why humans traveled in packs is because of the safety in numbers. Cats are only affectionate while your feeding and loving them, but if they find a better home they'll leave you in a minute. The other moral principles that we have are taught in the bible and passed down by generation so really your getting a lot of the lessons of the bible without reading it. I can gauruntee you that if you read your family tree you'll find some religious people. I'm probably not making since cause I'm real tired but I promise tomorrow I'll post better.

[Mzor203]

No,I can seriously assure you that morals for those years were pretty darn non-existant.

The thing is, today, we still have that instinct, and because there's less reason to turn on others', we still look out for each other.

And I am pretty sure my cat would never leave us, because there have been multiple instances where he could've left for something better, but never has.

Also, morals didn't come from Christianity, they obviously came from an earlier religion, because laws and everything were around way before then.

[Underground_Network]

Religions are not a must, but I don't think we should rid ourselves of religion. Religion CAN bring people together, but as stated before, it can tear people apart... The idea of a "universal religion" does come to mind, but it just wouldn't work... It's like trying to form a utopia, it's just impossible. I think we also need to realize that religion is not the root to all evil though. I am not religious, and I am really not sure what I would consider myself, but I think that religion, LIKE MANY OTHER THINGS, has it's positives and it's negatives. It is not the sole cause of all war. People fight wars over all sorts of dumb things. People fight wars over money, over territory, over ideas [other than religion], etc... [Almost] Everything we have in life has a positive side and a negative side. In some cases the positives outweigh the negatives and vice versa. You can make an argument that we would be better off without religion, but you can also make an argument that we would better off with religion. Religion isn't a must, but it's here to stay, we can't just get rid of it. I also think we all need to think about what "religion" really is.

[Maverick]

If you don't believe in god why make a thread about it?
The point of message boards is to share opinions and ideas. If people kept their opinions to themselves the idea of a message board (or the whole basis of it) would be useless. Its nothing more simple than that.

[BornActor]

I will start off by saying this is not an attack this is just something that has been puzzling my mind for awhile. In this forum we have our share of religous debates and it seems to me that most of the threads arew started by those mentioned in the title. If you don't believe in god why make a thread about it? I don't believe in illegal drug use and you don't see me making a thread about it. Another thing is why does it seem as if most of the time you are attacking religion? I could start on a rant and say your going to hell but I won't because A. I don't care and 2. I don't know that and I'm not the judge plus the bible says not to judge. As stated before this is not an attack just pure curiosity. (If I spelled anything wrong please let ne know cause I'm on my phone and there is no spell check.)

You put "A. I don't care and 2. I don't know..."

[Whisper]

You put "A. I don't care and 2. I don't know..."

A) That doesn't even count as an argument

and

2) Don't ever go around the site posting strictly to attack the wording in someones post
it pisses me the fuck off

Next post thats off topic gets an infraction

[Rutherford The Brave]

The reason why I bash religions is because, all other religions bash my way of life. In my culture we hope that the earth itself will bring us all we need. And I get people telling me that I'm going to hell because I believe that the sun brings us all life. I'm not saying they aren't well rounded religions but seriously they all think they are better than us non religious folk.

[BornActor]

I think some people bash religions because they get annoyed with how common it is. And I agree with the above post. It's kind of difficult when you're the minority

[Rutherford The Brave]

I think some people bash religions because they get annoyed with how common it is. And I agree with the above post. It's kind of difficult when you're the minority

I kind of take offense to that. We are a people not a minority.....

Still I wouldnt really have a problem with religions if there wasn't wars because of it.

[Whisper]

I think some people bash religions because they get annoyed with how common it is. And I agree with the above post. It's kind of difficult when you're the minority

Minority?
In America maybe
Canadians have a tendency to not trust religious politicians
It has no place in government
nor does it have any place having an influence on laws

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4efnzi-He0

[Camazotz]

I dont see a reason for people to attack religions. Religion is a belief system, so anyone is free to believe what they want. If you dont have enough proof to prove that God or a creator exists, that doesnt mean its not there. I understand when people try to get their idea across to others, but there are people that just cant accept the idea of God. So before people post there ideas, they should consider how others may take it.

[Hyper]

I always find it interesting how people say that religious politicians can't be trusted..

If you look at it socially.. Problably most of the worlds people have some kind of a religion.... So that logic it simply goes beyond my grasp. And don't try to jump at me with extremist examples......

As for how it is here its the religious people who get bashed.

[Whisper]

Considering one of the republican candidates wanted to change the constitution to be more inline with the word of god (he lost thank god....yes that was a pun)

ya no
I do NOT trust any bible thumping politician
or any politician that uses his or her personal belief system to score them votes period

[Atonement]

In government, I believe that laws should be made for safety and good morals (which yes, ironicly tend to go hand in hand (like not to be slutty so you dont get STDS)) anyway, even if religions are wrong and all that. i believe because they set good morals in people and help them to behave like "humans" religion is good. I really cant debate the REAL evidence but I know faith and I know how religion influences peoples actions and I must say I agree with how it installs good morals.

[japanman]

In government, I believe that laws should be made for safety and good morals (which yes, ironicly tend to go hand in hand (like not to be slutty so you dont get STDS)) anyway, even if religions are wrong and all that. i believe because they set good morals in people and help them to behave like "humans" religion is good. I really cant debate the REAL evidence but I know faith and I know how religion influences peoples actions and I must say I agree with how it installs good morals.


I agree addi thats also why i bielive in almost all religions all because of the morals they teach us.