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Whisper
June 16th, 2008, 03:20 PM
TORONTO — Ontario became the latest Canadian province to ban smoking in a vehicle with a child present Monday after a government-backed private member's bill passed in the legislature with the support of all three parties.


Smoking in Ontario workplaces and public areas, such as bars and restaurants, is already illegal in Ontario, but the new ban will provide an additional level of protection to children under the age of 16 , said Health Promotion Minister Margarett Best.


"This is about protection of our most vulnerable citizens - children who do not have a voice," Best told the legislature.


Drivers and passengers in Ontario who don't butt out in cars carrying children won't be fined more than $250 for each offence, a much lighter fine than originally envisioned by Liberal backbencher David Orazietti's bill, which set penalties up to $1,000.


Nova Scotia and British Columbia have already outlawed the practice, which critics liken to child abuse. Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick are also considering a similar ban.


Health care groups who lobbied hard for a ban praised the province for taking the right steps to protect children's health.


"Doctors have been calling for a ban since 2004 and raising awareness about the serious impacts on children of second-hand smoke in cars," Ontario Medical Association president Dr. Ken Arnold said in a statement.
"The amount of support it has received publicly and from MPPs of all stripes is an indication that more people are becoming educated about the negative health impacts of smoking."


Premier Dalton McGuinty once dismissed a province-wide ban as a slippery slope that infringed too much on people's rights, but changed his tune in March and threw his government's support behind the private members' bill.
Mychoice.ca, a smokers' rights group financed in part by the tobacco industry, has raised concerns that the ban will eventually extend to private homes, but McGuinty said that's not under consideration.


Government officials cite studies which show that kids are exposed to up to 27 times the toxins when they're in enclosed spaces like a car, which can worsen asthma and lead to other respiratory illnesses.


The province will launch a campaign to better educate the public about the dangers of smoking in vehicles with children, but hasn't yet determined how much it will spend, Best said.


"We expect the budget will not be a big budget because we expect that there's going to be a very high percentage of compliance with this piece of legislation," she said.


But police will be expected to enforce the law once it takes effect, which will only make their jobs more onerous, said Opposition Leader Bob Runciman.


"There will probably be very little enforcement of this, in terms of checking cars and that sort of thing," he said. "So I think education would be a critical part of this. It has to be."


Ontario Provincial Police have said the ban won't be difficult to enforce, as it already inspects for seatbelts and child car seats.


The ban should have also extended protection to teens until they're 19, when they're legally allowed to buy cigarettes, said NDP health critic France Gelinas.


"You send this message that, 'We know there are a lot of kids between the ages of 16 and 19 that smoke. It's a problem we're not ready to tackle, therefore we're going to put the cutoff at 16 years old,"' she said.
"That's the wrong message to send."

Sugaree
June 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM
I'm glad that they are doing this. But the fine is so little. They should increase the fine depending on how many children are in the car.

Mzor203
June 16th, 2008, 04:53 PM
I agree with Matt, this has got to be higher. I had no idea that was the law here, because I've seen people smoking in cars with children. Some people are just dumb I guess.

I'm glad they're putting out these laws though, every step helps. Smoking has got to go.

Antares
June 16th, 2008, 05:45 PM
250 is a good amount of money I think. People don't have that kind of money to be throwing around. I think that amount is fair.

Underage_Thinker
June 16th, 2008, 08:51 PM
250 is a good amount of money I think. People don't have that kind of money to be throwing around. I think that amount is fair.
Ya I agree.

Mzor203
June 16th, 2008, 10:14 PM
They have the money to buy cigarettes laying around. People would soon learn, anyways. There's no absolute need for smoking in a car, so people would stop pretty quick if they were getting fined.

Techno Monster
June 16th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Canada is smart, I agree with that law :P.

george
June 16th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Hhhmm...I think they should increase it to 500 there by making it harder for people to buy cigarettes and stop smoking :D There, problem solved.

But yeah talk about second hand smoking. Thats just gonna make kids want to start smoking >.< idiots

Sugaree
June 17th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Hhhmm...I think they should increase it to 500 there by making it harder for people to buy cigarettes and stop smoking :D There, problem solved.


Not exacatly. I'm supposing you've never heard about the alcohol ban of 1920? In January of 1920 all booze was banned from the United States.

This is how the bootlegs started. People still found a way to get booze by making very heavy bribes to city officials to still manufacture alcohol in secrecy. It was soon found out that Al Capone was behind this.

You just can't say "Well, we'll just outlaw cigarettes to make them stop smoking" because people will still find a way to get what they want.

The Batman
June 18th, 2008, 12:28 AM
To tell the truth I think this is a completely stupid law, why don't they just fine them if they are smoking with the windows up that way they can have their smoke as long as the windows are down and it can't get to the kids. Matt I don't think people will start bootlegging cigarettes just because of a high tax most likely they'll just live with it or find a way to hide smoking with the underage kids.

ShatteredWings
June 18th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Not exacatly. I'm supposing you've never heard about the alcohol ban of 1920? In January of 1920 all booze was banned from the United States.

That was called prohabition(sp?)


You just can't say "Well, we'll just outlaw cigarettes to make them stop smoking" because people will still find a way to get what they want.

Like how people get illegal drugs......


anyways, it's a good idea, not in the CAR. cars are enclosed usually, and it's freaking dangerous with kids. actually, it makes me sick if anyone's smoking anywhere near me =/
the idea is good
but can it really be enforced?